"Snap reaction to debate" column is now up:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/12/19/post-debate-reactions/

-CW

Why should Pelosi have to decide who will serve as the House’s impeachment managers prior to knowing what the Senate rules are for the trial? There is nothing in the Constitution that dictates when she has to send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. You remember McConnell did something similar with Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, only Pelosi is not refusing to fulfill her Constitutional duties. If McConnell wants the trial to start, he knows what he needs to do to make that happen!

You'll confuse him with facts.

It is also quite comical watching you rant about Pelosi while remaining silent on McConnell’s announcement that he will let Trump’s attorney’s decide how the trial is to be run.

Exactly! McConnell and Lindsey Graham have already both admitted they are partisan so Mike is naturally upset that the impeachment trial won't be bipartisan... oh, wait! :)

Another reason why this faux impeachment coup is illegitimate is because it is completely partisan..

So by this bullshit propaganda spew, all a Party need do is refuse to hold the president responsible for what he's admitted to doing and then gaslight the public with claims that the President has done nothing wrong when they know damn well he's broken multiple laws. Duh!

It was universally agreed on by Weigantia (by those who expressed an opinion) that with bi-partisan came legitimacy...

Bullshit... then all one side need do is refuse to hold the president accountable and gaslight the gullible rubes with partisan propaganda.

He's impeached so you can stop your whining about whether or not "it's legit" because the House has the sole power to impeach, and it's done and done. Like I told you... sure thing. :)

Basically Democrats decided on 10 Nov 2016 that, if they ever got control of the House, they were going to impeach Donald Trump..

Some of them did do that, but let's be honest, it was only a couple of them. Also, Trump had announced to the entire world before he took office that he'd basically be violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution... which he continues doing to this very day. He also requested that a foreign government intervene in our election, which is illegal, which they did do, so it's not like they didn't have reason.

The details to be filled in later..

Bullshit. You're deluding yourself and falling for the GOP propaganda. If Trump has done nothing wrong, he should want to have his aides and former employees to testify and clear his name rather than obstructing Congress and refusing to cooperate in any way in violation of that law I keep posting... you know, the one for which Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Gates, soon to be Flynn and Roger Stone... are all going to jail by obstructing Congressional oversight.

Trump refusing to allow anyone to testify makes him look guilty. The Senate not wanting to allow witnesses when there were witnesses at Johnson's and Clinton's impeachment trials... makes Trump look guilty too. Why is Trump afraid to allow anyone to testify? Because he did what he's been impeached for and then covered it up and obstructed congressional oversight.

ABSOLUTELY President Trump obstructs Congress.. Just like Odumbo did except BETTER..

Your comparison is nothing more than GOP propaganda lies and is ridiculous, and you spew this ridiculous bullshit back like the gullible rube they know you are.

Obstructing Congress is NOT a crime!! DUH..

You keep arguing semantics! *laughs* You're a sucker for the GOP propaganda bullshit. It is a crime to obstruct Congress; if you don't believe me, ask Michael Cohen. How many times do I have to post the law for which the Trump Trash are sitting in prison?

You're repeatedly spewing this ridiculous GOP propaganda bullshit you've been spoon-fed like a useful idiot. You are the poster boy for gullible! You seem blissfully unaware that you're repeating the equivalent of: It's not a crime to "get shitfaced drunk and bob and weave on the highway."

You're embarrassing yourself! *laughs*

Pelosi is saying that the Senate Trial is not fair..

SHE HAS NO SAY in what the Senate does with the impeachment.

Guess what? You and the GOP whined incessantly about the House (who followed the rules made by the GOP), and guess what? It's her Articles of Impeachment until she gives it to the Senate.

BY THE CONSTITUTION, her job is done.

Wrong. Her job is done when she sends the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate... which she hasn't done yet.

Another indication that this is not a legitimate impeachment..

You and the GOP are a bunch of whiny hypocrites. :)

But now, because they LOST, they are simply making stuff up..

You've really drunk the Kool-Aid, Mike. Trump confessed and insisted he'd do it again and then ordered his subordinates to ignore the production and subpoena requests of a co-equal branch of government. No one is making that up; he confessed to it, and he did it.

And Obama could have had a better presidency if he had acted more like Republicans wanted him to act..

Your Obama/America hatred is again duly noted but has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump's actions where he was held accountable for his actions... you know, the ones he confessed to doing and stated he would do them again and then requested China to kneecap Joe Biden, and then he kneecapped Congress's investigation into his actions by refusing to produce a single document and ordering his subordinates and Americans who used to work for him to ignore Congress's authority and impede their investigation by refusing to cooperate in any way.

Democrats ***LOST*** the election. Elections have consequences...

The most recent election has consequences too, and Trump got his ass handed to him and the floor was mopped with the Trump sweat and tears.

By LOSING, Democrats gave up the right to have a say in how things are run..

You really should crack a book and learn about co-equal branches of government and how the President of the United States isn't a monarch. Might I suggest the Constitution of the United States for starters?

And, given the precedent that Democrats are establishing with this faux impeachment coup, if there ever IS another Democrat POTUS in our life-time who is as hated as Obama was and with a GOP HOUSE???

It's like the Trump Cult slept through the Clinton impeachment wherein the POTUS was impeached for lying and breaking his oath to his marriage. At least Democrats admitted he was stupid for what he did.

You can imagine the PAYBACK for this faux impeachment coup will be bloody...

Impeachment is not a coup, and the outcome of the election hasn't changed. You shouldn't allow the GOP liars to upset you with their nonsense about Democrats trying to overturn an election. That's just bullshit propaganda designed to punch your buttons because they think you're stupid enough to believe it. :)

Democrats LOST..

That is so 2016. The latest election was 2018 wherein Democrats won in quite a spectacular Blue wavy great big wave and flood.

Elections have consequences..

Yep... and not just the presidential ones because of those co-equal branches of government. :)

This was all pre-ordained on 10 Nov 2016 when Donald Trump had the audacity... the unmitigated gall... to wipe the floor with Hillary Clinton...

I have an idea..

Let's play a game called LET'S BE HONEST..

I'll start..

LET'S BE HONEST.....

This impeachment is not going the way ya'all had hoped it would...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/12/11/one-term-joe/#comment-150129

*laughs*

Let's be honest that you're all over the highway and need to pick a lane on your pronouncements about the impeachment. You expect the group to now believe this new drivel of yours when you're the guy who not even very long ago was insisting to everyone on the board that impeachment would fail? We here in Weigantia can count the days on one hand wherein you were still claiming there was a 40% chance that impeachment wouldn't happen... so pardon those of us here with reading comprehension ability for laughing at your newly found insistence that it was all preordained since election day... when Donald Trump lost the popular vote by multiple millions but did win in the Electoral College, thus not qualifying as "mopping the floor" unless you're referring to the sweat problem that accompanies his obesity and orange/red face issues.

The giveaway, beyond Democrat's own words, is that they simply made up crimes that don't exist..

Wrong... still fabulously wrong and arguing semantics and whining about crimes. Your Worship has committed multiple crimes. It is a crime to obstruct congress, and it is a crime to abuse power in multiple states and at the federal level. Claiming that "obstruction of Congress" is not a crime is like claiming that "killing someone" is not a crime; you're simply arguing semantics. It's a crime to lie to Congress and/or obstruct their role of oversight by lying, failing to appear, failing to produce documents, etc. It's called "contempt of Congress" in the vernacular and is definitely a crime. It's also a crime to "kill someone"; it's called "murder" or "manslaughter" or "negligent homicide"... goes by a lot of different names because words have meaning. Despite your protestations that there is no such thing as "abuse of power" in any state or federal law, you're fabulously wrong, and I blame the right-wingnut propaganda du jour for that spew. Right off the top of my head: Texas Penal Code, Chapter 39, Abuse of Office, and I can find you 49 more and probably one in the District of Columbia too.

One has to wonder what Democrats will do when President Trump is exonerated, vindicated and re-elected in a landslide??

Let's be honest: One has to wonder why anyone would whine so much about the entire issue if they claimed it was "preordained" and kept insisting they knew the outcome... which is actually likely based on history and the complicit and spineless GOP.

If Democrats are looking for suggestions, I would suggest they consider the Jonestown option.. :^/

I would wager it doesn't surprise a single person on this forum that your solution is death for anyone who dares to disagree with Your Orange Worship Hair Dick Tater. A close friend of my family was shot and killed by the cult at Jonestown along with Congressman Leo Ryan at Port Kaituma, and I find your solution disgusting but keeping in line with your regular spew condoning violence and hatred toward those who disagree with Your Cult Worship... very unhinged and Trumpian too.

That is how disgusted I am with Democrats and Trump/America haters and their hate-filled agenda...

Trump isn't America, and you just suggested death for Democrats so you might want to check your mirror for the guy spewing the "hate-filled agenda." Very typical for you and par for your regular modus operandi, though.

And yes, the irony is not lost on me...

Like I said... pick a lane. I can link you to multiple comments of yours where you were begging Democrats to impeach Trump. Cry more... but please at least stop deluding yourself that it was "preordained" on election day because it wasn't. There are many people privy to information you don't know and would deny if you did know, and you're just going to have to come to grips with the fact that Trump left them no choice but to impeach him.

And the Constitution says otherwise....your point?

Pelosi can sit on the AOI all she wants.. The Senate will simply dismiss the charges out of hand.

Works for me. :D

Well, until the Senate receives the AOI, they cannot “simply dismiss the charges out of hand”. And do you keep repeating that “Trump is INNOCENT of all charges..” to fool yourself?

All the "collusion etc". impeachment-related stuff is simply grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to get rid of the orange moron you hate so much.

Problem is, all of that bullshit you're supposedly so indignant over falls into the same catagory as does having oval sex in the oral office with teen-age interns - it may be immoral but it aint't illegal nor unconstitutional.

You impeach the president on Wednesday night, and on Thursday morning you tell reporters you don't want to talk about it. Pelosi just now: 'I'm not going to answer any more questions' on impeachment.

Pelosi, running scared....

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.

And no one has suggested otherwise. Pelosi is simply asking for the Senate to state how the trial is to be run.

It's not her place to ask and it's none of her business anyways..

Lastly, the Constitution states that the Articles of Impeachment need only pass with a simple majority to be legitimate.

Pelosi herself, not to mention Nadler, Schiff-head and Biden state differently..

Pelosi can sit on the AOI all she wants.. The Senate will simply dismiss the charges out of hand.

End result, Trump is INNOCENT of all charges..

Works for me. :D

Where, exactly, does it say that the House must decide who will serve as their impeachment managers prior to the Senate deciding on the rules for the trial?

So??? According to the US Constitution, the Senate runs the trial how the Senate runs the trial..

NO ONE in the House gets to have any say about it.

And no one has suggested otherwise. Pelosi is simply asking for the Senate to state how the trial is to be run.

If Pelosi sends bullshit to the Senate, the Senate will treat it as the bullshit it is..

THAT is what the Constitution says..

Did Trump tell you that was what it says? First, Pelosi won’t be sending bullshit, she’ll be sending the Articles of Impeachment voted on and passed by the House...as outlined in the Constitution. I am sorry if you think our Constitution is bullshit, but that does not change the fact that it is the law of our land. McConnell could just re-use the rules that governed the Clinton impeachment trial — rules that the Senate passed unanimously. Why the delay?

And secondly, you are wrong if you think that the rules for the trial should be based on the content of the Articles of Impeachment. That is NOT what the Constitution says, nor was it the intent of our Founding Fathers.

Lastly, the Constitution states that the Articles of Impeachment need only pass with a simple majority to be legitimate. It would be great if the results had been more bipartisan, but it is not required. Perhaps if the House members had take the same oath prior to voting on the articles that the Senate will be asked to swear to at the start of the trial the vote would have been more bipartisan?

It's breath-taking the amazing and utter stoopidity of the Democrat Party...

This ONLY ends ONE WAY....

President Trump re-elected to another 4 years... The only real question is how big of a landslide win will it be...

GOP gives Trump unapologetic embrace over impeachment
https://apnews.com/97b5287681408de60e6e6bb86ff7b134

"Oh Johnny, Johnny... Did YOU back the wrong horse..."
-Dr Peter Venkmen, GHOSTBUSTERS II

As usual, Democrats let their hate do their thinking for them and overreached...

Very simple..

Because the US Constitution says so..

It is also quite comical watching you rant about Pelosi while remaining silent on McConnell’s announcement that he will let Trump’s attorney’s decide how the trial is to be run.

So??? According to the US Constitution, the Senate runs the trial how the Senate runs the trial..

NO ONE in the House gets to have any say about it.

If Pelosi sends bullshit to the Senate, the Senate will treat it as the bullshit it is..

THAT is what the Constitution says..

If Pelosi wants to sit on the impeachment and NOT send it to the Senate as is her Constitutional duty, then the Senate will simply dismiss the impeachment and President Trump is vindicated and exonerated.

Easy Peezy Lemon Squeezy..

But, as I said.. The Senate will be just as FAIR and IMPARTIAL as the House was..

How can you ask for anything more than that??

It is also quite comical watching you rant about Pelosi while remaining silent on McConnell’s announcement that he will let Trump’s attorney’s decide how the trial is to be run.

Another reason why this faux impeachment coup is illegitimate is because it is completely partisan..

It was universally agreed on by Weigantia (by those who expressed an opinion) that with bi-partisan came legitimacy...

Once it became clear there was no bi-partisan, of course people changed their minds..

But Biden, Pelosi and Schiff amongst others all agree..

If it's partisan, it's not legit..

Fair enough.. It was someone's argument, not mine..

It's clear that no one (except me, of course :D) thought President Trump would actually win the election..

Just as it's clear that after Trump DID win, Democrats and Trump/America haters wanted to impeach him, even before he took office..

Put another way...

If a loud angry mob promises to kill Joe Blow if Joe Blow shows up in their town and Joe Blow ends up dead.....

The angry mob's claims of innocence are dubious at best..

Basically Democrats decided on 10 Nov 2016 that, if they ever got control of the House, they were going to impeach Donald Trump..

The details to be filled in later..

That is why this faux impeachment coup is illegitimate.. It was promised by Democrats long before ANY manufactured reasons came to light..

I was responding to the argument being made in your post....You posted it!

It was the predetermined end of a partisan crusade that began before President Trump was even nominated, let alone sworn in.'

So, basically, you are all about the Constitution, except when it's inconvenient to your agenda??

The Senate runs the impeachment trial how the Senate sees fit..

And I am CERTAIN that McConnell will run HIS Constitutional part of impeachment just as fair and impartially as House Democrats ran THEIR Constitutional part of impeachment.

Constitutionally, Democrats have no business demanding anything more...

This is no longer a Constitutionally legitimate impeachment if it ever even was..

Which is exactly how Pelosi should have reacted to McConnell telling the world that he’s going to do whatever the president wants him to do in running this trial. I’d think that if you were truly looking at the impeachment process objectively, this would be a problem you, too.

Once again, you argue a point that no on was making.. Democrats promised to impeach Trump AFTER he was elected but before he even took office.

THAT is what proves this impeachment is bullshit..

It would be one thing if Trump was innocent, but he’s admitted to doing what he’s been impeached

ABSOLUTELY President Trump obstructs Congress.. Just like Odumbo did except BETTER..

Guess what, sunshine??

Obstructing Congress is NOT a crime!! DUH..

This is like DUmbocrats and their bullshit "collusion" all over again...

Dumbocrats are the AIR SUPPLY of politicians..

MAKING CRIMES OUT OF NOTHING AT ALL

The BJ Hunnicutt of impeachments..

The Speaker of the House, who speaks for the Democrats and is the official voice for the Party in the House, never pledged to impeach Trump. Individual Democrats voiced their desire to remove Trump, and they only were able to thanks to Trump’s continued attempts at involving foreign governments to assist him in getting re-elected!

And it is utter bullshit to claim that Democrats had planned out this impeachment of Trump before he was even nominated... no one, not even Trump, believed he’d get elected! It would be one thing if Trump was innocent, but he’s admitted to doing what he’s been impeached for!

And what's so hilarious about it is that these morons in the House think they actually have a SAY in what the Senate does..

Once the House votes on the AOI, their input is no longer needed nor relevant.

The HOUSE doesn't get to dictate jack-shit about anything once they hold their vote..

Pelosi is just being a chicken-shit because she knows her finished product is complete and utter bullshit..

Yea.. THERE is your impartial and unbiased propaganda "News" source.. :eyeroll:

"Take THIS 'under advisement', DICKWEED!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

A Trump/America hating outlet spouts a poll..

Big woop..

99% of ALL Americans thought that Holder should have testified over FAST/FURIOUS under Odumbo..

What's yer point??

I am still waiting for someone to provide any FACTS that this faux impeachment coup is legitimate..

So far, no one has any...

Color me shocked...

Well said !! I'da found something a little stronger than "dickweed", but other than that, you nailed it man!

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/17/impeachment-poll-finds-most-think-trump-should-let-aides-testify-senate/2675644001/

Tell ya what, moron..

You have assurances that the Senate Trial will be just as FAIR and IMPARTIAL as the House procedure was..

THERE is your assurances, dickweed...

Guess what??

SHE HAS NO SAY in what the Senate does with the impeachment.

BY THE CONSTITUTION, her job is done.

Another indication that this is not a legitimate impeachment..

And THAT is the proof that this impeachment is not legitimate.. It's been promised by Democrats since BEFORE President Trump took office..

Mitch McConnell threatens to CANCEL Donald Trump's Senate trial if 'scared' Nancy Pelosi does not hand over 'slapdash' articles of impeachment - as Speaker slams him as a 'ROGUE leader' and president gloats he will be cleared by 'default'

President Donald Trump warned that '[t]he Do Nothing Party want to Do Nothing with the Articles & not deliver them to the Senate, but it's Senate's call!'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7809853/House-Democrats-begin-agitating-Nancy-Pelosi-HOLD-articles-impeachment-leverage.html

And McConnell bitch slaps her to the ground. :D

Do you have any facts that support ya'all's claim that it IS legit??

Any facts at all??

Have people of opposing viewpoints come together in agreement over the seriousness of the offense??

NO...

Ergo, this impeachment is NOT legitimate..

Hay, don't yell at me... It's what JOE BIDEN says... Argue with him..

This is fact...

And those people had their say with their vote..

But now, because they LOST, they are simply making stuff up..

Impeachment is legit because the president brought ALL of this down on himself for all of the reasons enumerated above.

If that were factually accurate, then more than DEMOCRATS would be saying it.

Since it's *ONLY* Democrats who are pushing this, it is NOT legitimate by ANY stretch of the definition..

The crazy thing is that he could have extricated himself from the mess he created by making changes to his character, behavior and treatment of his fellow human beings. But, alas, he could not.

And Obama could have had a better presidency if he had acted more like Republicans wanted him to act..

Democrats ***LOST*** the election. Elections have consequences...

By LOSING, Democrats gave up the right to have a say in how things are run..

But they couldn't HANDLE losing, which is why we have this purely partisan and illegitimate faux impeachment coup...

And, given the precedent that Democrats are establishing with this faux impeachment coup, if there ever IS another Democrat POTUS in our life-time who is as hated as Obama was and with a GOP HOUSE???

You can imagine the PAYBACK for this faux impeachment coup will be bloody...

Democrats LOST..

Elections have consequences..

End of story..

Many good people saw candidate Donald Trump as unfit to hold the highest office in the land based solely on his poor character, bad behavior and indecent treatment of his fellow human beings.

Impeachment is legit because the president brought ALL of this down on himself for all of the reasons enumerated above.

The crazy thing is that he could have extricated himself from the mess he created by making changes to his character, behavior and treatment of his fellow human beings. But, alas, he could not.

Which part??

It's a pretty accurate synopsis of the facts on the ground.

The giveaways is that there are no such crimes as those charged and impeachment was the goal of Democrats since before President Trump took office.

How can ANYONE claim this is legit when the decision was made long before anything happened? ??

if you're demonstrating how it will be framed then fine, but you can't possibly really believe that, can you?

JL

I don’t really understand your Congress, or your system of checks and balances.. because, as I said during the campaign – I’m just a caveman! I fell on some ice, and later got thawed out by scientists. But there is one thing I do know – we must do everything in our power to lower the capital gains tax.Thank you!
~Cirroc (phil hartman), unfrozen caveman lawyer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzAFqrxfeY

Remember where President Trump was on the day of his impeachment vote. He was out with the people in the land he loves. Democrats? They were with the political class in the swamp they love, voting to deny the rights of the very people they represent. The people won’t forget.

Yes.. By all means, Democrats.. Drag this out closer to the 2020 election..

Provide the vivid contrast between President Trump who sides with the American People and the Democrat Party who hates America...

Their voices were heard loud and clear. But Democrats refused to listen. Ever since, President Trump has worked day and night delivering on those promises he made. The corrupt political class? They’ve been clinging to their power trying to discredit, derail, and delegitimize the man whom the voters chose. First it would be “collusion” with the Russians, then it would be “collusion” with Russia’s nemesis Ukraine. (Hey, they never said it had to make sense.) No matter how many conspiracy theories the Democrats came up with, they never could change one simple fact: The people did decide that election.

It's clear who is on the side of the American People and who is on the side of dirty disgusting America-hating partisan politics...

That's the Democrat Party.. Ignoring the will of the American people...

But come Nov 2020, PRESIDENT Trump will have the last laugh..

twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1204503645607333888

That's the Democrat Party.. Ignoring the will of the American people...

But come Nov 2020, PRESIDENT Trump will have the last laugh..

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1204503645607333888

Sure... Drag this out longer and closer to Nov of 2020..

Great plan..

Considering that Democrats are ALREADY losing public support over this faux impeachment coup, yea.. Let's have Democrats double down on STOOPID and make sure that the American people know how much they hate right up to the 2020 election...

As I said. Great plan... :^/

No...

“Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path because it divides the country.”
-Nancy Pelosi, Mar 2019

Pelosi's own words prove this is nothing but a political hit job with absolutely no ethical or moral value whatsoever..

This was all pre-ordained on 10 Nov 2016 when Donald Trump had the audacity... the unmitigated gall... to wipe the floor with Hillary Clinton...

The giveaway, beyond Democrat's own words, is that they simply made up crimes that don't exist..

OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS??? It would be so laughable if it wasn't so sad and pathetic...

One has to wonder what Democrats will do when President Trump is exonerated, vindicated and re-elected in a landslide??

If Democrats are looking for suggestions, I would suggest they consider the Jonestown option.. :^/

That is how disgusted I am with Democrats and Trump/America haters and their hate-filled agenda...

And yes, the irony is not lost on me...

Uh, oh. It's Nancy Pelosi. Time for McConnell to get his Congress on...