Your assertion that Abuse of Power and and Obstruction of Congress are just throw-away charges reveals just how long ago you saw the sun shine.

In his defense, he actually believes all the right-wingnut rhetoric/propaganda bullshit and is a total Trump worshiping gullible moron.

Abuse of Power includes the Quid Pro Quo, the bribery, and the entire ludicrous mess that is Ukraine.

I believed that I needed Yovanovitch out of the way. She was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. ~ Rudy Giuliani

Nice admission. More coming.

The Obstruction of Congress charges include everything the Republicants have been doing here, including refusing to testify before committees. Voting against these articles will make the next impeachment much harder for you.

At last, a person who gets it.

A POTUS has never been removed from office after being impeached. Trump will be impeached, and anyone who chooses Trump/their Party over their oath to God and their Country will be on record in so doing. This is about our democracy being more important than the partisanship and cult-like following of a con artist/dictator.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Vote "D" for democracy and "R" for Russia. Maybe it makes more sense now than it did then... I hope so.

Danke

"On the mend" not only means you have to take it easy, it's also a valuable excuse to have around the holidays.

Yea, I know.. It's just so damn BORING around here.. Binge watching STARGATE SG-1 only gets me so far..

SDNY now wants him in lockup, since he didn't tell them
about a wire of 1 million from a Russian bank, and an extra
few hundred grand from Firtash in walk-around money.

Don't try to color me surprised, because I'm not.

Well, amigo, it's good to read that you didn't die and you weren't inadvertently killed by doctors or a hospital.

"On the mend" not only means you have to take it easy, it's also a valuable excuse to have around the holidays.

Not factually accurate... Even if you could know what President Trump thinks about it, the simple fact that YOUR own golden-boy spent two years and 35 million dollars proving beyond any doubt that there was no Russia/Trump collusion AND that any machinations they Russians did attempt had no effect on the outcome at all..

..this is who Trump thinks DESERVES the honor of being a guest in the Oval Office?!?

If it maximizes head-explosions amongst the Left?? I am all for it.. :D

Screw giving the Ukrainian president, one of our allies,

That's funny.. If Ukraine was one of our allies, why didn't your Obama give him military aid to protect Ukraine from Russia?? An act that gave a huge benefit to Putin.

Why did Obama cancel the Central Europe Missile Defense Shield?? ANOTHER act that gave Russia to cover for Obama to hand over The Crimea to Russia.. All in the name of Obama being "flexible" for Putin.. And Obama claim that was caught ON TAPE and is undeniable..

When it's to your partisan agenda, Ukraine is the poor defenseless sods that must be helped..

But let's not forget that it was YOUR Obama, with YOUR tacit approval that put Ukraine in that "defenseless sod" category that you ALL OF THE SUDDEN care about now..

So, please.. Don't waste your crocodile tears on Ukraine.. Where were those tears when YOUR Obama, with YOUR tacit approval, was throwing Ukraine to the Russian bear???

Glad you have no problem with Trump damaging our national security just to piss off those who won’t swear loyalty to him...you know, what is truly important in all of this!

I have no problem with President Trump taking actions that make Left Winger heads explode.. It's very very FUN to watch.. However, I have had a change of heart and I am going to make it a sincere effort not to enjoy as much as I used..

As to all the rest, that's just the fever of your imagination and has nothing to do with reality..

The ***FACTS*** clearly show that President Trump has been 100x the friend to Ukraine that Obama ever was...

They may be included in YOUR mind..

But they are not included in the ABUSE OF POWER article of impeachment...

The House Democrats opted not to charge Mr. Trump with “bribery" or “extortion,” as they had earlier contemplated. Since those are criminal charges, using those terms invited debate about the statutory elements and judicial precedents. But since an impeachable offense does not have to be a specific crime, the Democrats decided to use the broader charge of “abuse of power.”

As to the rest.. So you are basically saying that your fine and happy with these 2 nebulous, hazy and, in the case of "Obstruction Of Congress", non-existent "crimes"..

That's fine.. I just wanted to get you on the record and I have now done so..

"Thank you for your co-operation."
-Black Widow, THE AVENGERS

President Trump *LOVES* to see the Left's head's explode..

Trump invites the foreign minister from the country that our intelligence agencies have all determined interfered in our 2016 elections; that broke into the DNC servers, stole the content, and used the stolen documents to hurt the Democrats during the election; that have denied doing any wrong even with all of the evidence against them presented...this is who Trump thinks DESERVES the honor of being a guest in the Oval Office?!?

Screw giving the Ukrainian president, one of our allies, a White House invitation that would signal to Russia that we still had Ukraine’s back in their on-going war! No, send the Ukrainians a clear message that Trump is Putin’s bitch and that they can no longer trust the United States to keep their commitments!

And you are OK that he rewarded Russian interference into our elections and damaged our ally’s negotiating strength in their upcoming peace talks with Russia — ALL of this was done just to upset liberals? Glad you have no problem with Trump damaging our national security just to piss off those who won’t swear loyalty to him...you know, what is truly important in all of this!

Sadly, it is one where the jury meets with the defendant ahead of the trial to formulate a game plan for how the trial should go.

Having a jury where the majority has already made it clear how they will vote prior to the trial even starting, it would make sense for the Democrats to avoid including specific criminal charges in their impeachment as that might open the door for Trump to avoid criminal charges once he is out of office by claiming “double jeopardy”.

The evidence clearly shows that Trump violated his oath of office. Trump knows he was only elected because he had foreign help, and he is counting on that help again to be re-elected. His blatant corruption has destroyed the reputation of the GOP, which has stood by silently while he has destroyed one presidential norm after another. Putin could never have dreamed that Trump would be as destructive to our nation as he has been! Putin won the lottery with Trump.

Abuse of Power includes the Quid Pro Quo, the bribery, and the entire ludicrous mess that is Ukraine.

The Obstruction of Congress charges include everything the Republicants have been doing here, including refusing to testify before committees. Voting against these articles will make the next impeachment much harder for you.

I actually BELIEVED you when you said that President Trump committed bribery and extortion and quid pro quo...

Good. Vote against him, that's the message. Crawl through fire and ice to pull the handle for whomever isn't named Trump.

'Cause if you don't, and by some miracle he wins the election, believe me, the next impeachment will have actual meat on it, and we can spend the next four years dragging the American people through it.

Which is just fine with me.

Nearly word for word what I predicted..

"Pelosi will state their only goal was to bring the Trump criminality to light. Removing President Trump was never the actual goal"
-Michale

:D Thanx Balthy.. Yer a true mensch.. :D

Truly, anyone interested has heard about the impeachment, and formed an opinion.

He's already been impeached by that point, so keeping the charges compact reduces the chance that the trial can be drawn out by Republicans.

So, all the word salad tossing of "quid pro quo" and "bribery" and "extortion"... That was all just to while the time away so Pelosi could get to the "real" charges??

Nebulous & hazy catch-all crimes like "Abuse Of Power" and non-existent crimes like "Obstruction Of Congress"???

Well, I'll have to bow to you and give you your credit where credit is due..

I actually BELIEVED you when you said that President Trump committed bribery and extortion and quid pro quo... You actually made me believe that you believed that.

When all the while, you were simply satiated and satisfied with "crimes" that aren't really criminal at all, but rather part and parcel to every President since George Washington..

Let me ask you, Balthasar..

Are you truly satisfied with these articles??

I mean, from the start, did you say, "Golly gee! I really hope that Democrats limit themselves to just the Ukraine thingy and go for hazy and nebulous charges that can mean ANYTHING!!!"

Was that your endgame?? Yer happy with this outcome???

Be honest, now..

Let's just say I am a little more compassionate towards Weigantians about the major disappointments that are about to be visited on them over the next year...

Best wishes to you, Michale!

Thank you.. :D

It might be a good idea for you to stay away from political commentary for a while ...

I have had a change of heart (literally :D) about a lot of things..

Not so much about politics but rather my approach.. :D

He's already been impeached by that point, so keeping the charges compact reduces the chance that the trial can be drawn out by Republicans.

So, I'm presuming the original "heart of stone" is still in place, meaning no compassion for the delusionals that abound here, right?

And here we are... :D

You'll have to forgive me as this is the only real stress left in my life, these days ...

If THIS is the only real stress in your life.....????

You truly are one lucky lady... :D

I WAS WRONG..

With regards to the Horowitz report, I was completely off the mark.. What I chalked up to criminal misconduct was nothing more than malfeasance, sloppiness and incompetence..

I had forgotten the age old adage..

"Never chalk up to criminality and villainy what can easily be explained by incompetence ineptitude"

While I still hold out hope for the Durham report, I concede that the Horowitz report was a big fat goose-egg as far as holding Democrats accountable....

All Democrats are left with is a nebulous and meaningless "crime" as "abuse of power" and a non-existent "crime" of Obstruction Of Congress..

Think back to how many times Obama committed "Obstruction of Congress" when Obama didn't do what Republicans in Congress wanted him to do...

Think back to how many times Obama committed "abuse of power" by using his phone and his pen instead of going thru Congress as Obama should have..

President Trump's "crimes" are no different than that..

Ya'all must feel pretty down.. After all the hysterical screams of BRIBERY!!! and QUID PRO QUO!!! and EXTORTION!!!! from the highest levels of the Democrat Party.... Ya'all are left with pithy "abuse of power" and hazy and fuzzy "obstruction of Congress"..

I have to say.. Ya'all better HOPE that the Articles of Impeachment fail in the House..

Because if this gets to the Senate??? The Torment Of Democrat Party will begin in earnest..

you're back! how'd it go?

JL

No need to guess.. The factual answer is out there for all to see..

President Trump *LOVES* to see the Left's head's explode..

Seriously, could Trump not be any more blatant about displaying his corruption and his connection to Russia.

I know you believe this.. But there are no facts to support it. And your guy, Mueller spent 2 years and 35 million dollars PROVING that this was not factually accurate..

A sentiment which points up quite nicely why there is little hope - for America and the rest of us out in the world.

I would say that the blame can be laid at the feet of the Democratic presidential candidate and ALL of the American people who, collectively and ultimately, may prove unable to keep their republic.

If America has lost me, good luck to y'all! I mean that sincerely, I'm not trying to be facetious here ...

If impeaching this president is so critical to the values of America and to its founding documents, then eating up time wouldn't have been a consideration, would it have?

The 'haunting' is virtually inevitable if Trump is re-elected, unless the power of the promise of America prevails through the individual actions of patriotic Americans, if enough of them exist.

Yes, but, is the president obstructing justice if he pleads his case through the courts? I've not heard a good argument to win the day over what professor Turley argued before the House Judiciary Committee. Which, of course, is not to say that there isn't one.

But, you say that the Mueller report outlined obstruction of justice. How long ago was that!? Don't make me laugh when I feel so much like crying ...

Well, the historical record isn't going to mean much if half of the electorate aren't on board with impeaching Trump.

If Democrats care about the historical record, then they had better start acting to ensure it. And, I'm talkin' to you, Joe Biden … and others who still believe in the promise of America.

The 2020 presidential election is not going to be about healthcare, if you know what I mean and I think that you do. I hope that you do. Generic you, that is, just to be clear!