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		<title>By: TheStig</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/11/26/an-idea-for-a-thanksgiving-question/#comment-149939</link>
		<dc:creator>TheStig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 20:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of my immediate family (out to the level of aunts uncles and cousins) support Trump.  Still, I think CW&#039;s initiative has merit and I&#039;ll give it try with some Trump supporting friends that are, for practical purposes, family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of my immediate family (out to the level of aunts uncles and cousins) support Trump.  Still, I think CW's initiative has merit and I'll give it try with some Trump supporting friends that are, for practical purposes, family.</p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/11/26/an-idea-for-a-thanksgiving-question/#comment-149938</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ
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&lt;i&gt;Nixon and Republicans had made arrangements that caused the South Vietnamese government to stall the peace talks.&lt;/i&gt;

At the time, the FBI had SIGINT/intercepts of Anna Chennault scuttling the efforts of LBJ to end the war but couldn&#039;t tie the intervention to Nixon, but time -- as it almost always does -- revealed the extent of Nixon&#039;s involvement being &quot;all in&quot; and pulling the strings.  

Nixon&#039;s &quot;getting away with it&quot; at the time did nothing to curtail his illegal intervention into American democracy, which continued unabated and culminated with the Watergate affair... and the rest is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ<br />
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<p><i>Nixon and Republicans had made arrangements that caused the South Vietnamese government to stall the peace talks.</i></p>
<p>At the time, the FBI had SIGINT/intercepts of Anna Chennault scuttling the efforts of LBJ to end the war but couldn't tie the intervention to Nixon, but time -- as it almost always does -- revealed the extent of Nixon's involvement being "all in" and pulling the strings.  </p>
<p>Nixon's "getting away with it" at the time did nothing to curtail his illegal intervention into American democracy, which continued unabated and culminated with the Watergate affair... and the rest is history.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@russ,
Yes, that certainly sounds like Nixon. Nonetheless, i would still distinguish that episode from the rank hypocrisy of Reagan in 1980 and trump now. In retrospect it&#039;s very unfortunate, but at least Nixon&#039;s dog-wagging coincided with his actual policy goals at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@russ,<br />
Yes, that certainly sounds like Nixon. Nonetheless, i would still distinguish that episode from the rank hypocrisy of Reagan in 1980 and trump now. In retrospect it's very unfortunate, but at least Nixon's dog-wagging coincided with his actual policy goals at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: ListenWhenYouHear</title>
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		<dc:creator>ListenWhenYouHear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nixon and Republicans had made arrangements that caused the South Vietnamese government to stall the peace talks.   LBJ got word of it, but it was too late.   The phone call between LBJ and Nixon was recorded.   Very interesting story!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nixon and Republicans had made arrangements that caused the South Vietnamese government to stall the peace talks.   LBJ got word of it, but it was too late.   The phone call between LBJ and Nixon was recorded.   Very interesting story!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461" rel="nofollow">https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461</a></p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan and Iran i knew about. Vietnam is more complicated because a lot changed on the ground between 68 and 73</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan and Iran i knew about. Vietnam is more complicated because a lot changed on the ground between 68 and 73</p>
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		<title>By: ListenWhenYouHear</title>
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		<dc:creator>ListenWhenYouHear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nypoet22 

Nixon only “got us out of Vietnam” because it was Nixon’s campaign that kept the war from ending until he could take the credit for ending it!  Republicans love keeping a crisis alive until THEY can get the spotlight on them for putting an end to it! (See also: Iran Hostage crisis)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nypoet22 </p>
<p>Nixon only “got us out of Vietnam” because it was Nixon’s campaign that kept the war from ending until he could take the credit for ending it!  Republicans love keeping a crisis alive until THEY can get the spotlight on them for putting an end to it! (See also: Iran Hostage crisis)</p>
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		<title>By: ListenWhenYouHear</title>
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		<dc:creator>ListenWhenYouHear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CW,

Great idea for having these conversations with the family over Thanksgivings.  Will let you know the results if we make it back alive!  

R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CW,</p>
<p>Great idea for having these conversations with the family over Thanksgivings.  Will let you know the results if we make it back alive!  </p>
<p>R</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6] C. R. Stucki  

[7] nypoet22 

At least Kennedy prevented the Cuban missile crisis from turning into a general nuclear war.

I seriously doubt the same could have been said if Richard Nixon had been president instead, since the head of the Strategic Air Command at the time, Curtis LeMay, kept forcefully advocating for the bombing and invasion of Cuba, against both president Kennedy&#039;s and Defense Secretary McNamara&#039;s wishes. 

Unknown to the US, the Soviet field commanders in Cuba had been given authority to launch nuclear weapons under their control. They had at least 20 nuclear warheads for medium-range R-12 Dvina (NATO Code SS-4 Sandal) ballistic missiles capable of reaching US cities (including Washington DC), each carrying a one megaton warhead (equivalent to 50 Hiroshima bombs), and nine tactical nuclear missiles. 

A Soviet submarine flotilla in the area commanded by Kapitan (later Vice Admiral) Vasili Arkhipov had nuclear torpedoes. Because a US Navy surface flotilla was harassing the Soviet submarines with small depth charges, both the flagship&#039;s captain and its Zampolit (political officer), believing that war had started, voted to fire a nuclear torpedo at the flotilla. But Captain Arkhipov, a veteran of the K-19 disaster, voted to wait and see, thus averting World War III. (It required a yes vote of all three, just one man of the three voting no averted war.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[6] C. R. Stucki  </p>
<p>[7] nypoet22 </p>
<p>At least Kennedy prevented the Cuban missile crisis from turning into a general nuclear war.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt the same could have been said if Richard Nixon had been president instead, since the head of the Strategic Air Command at the time, Curtis LeMay, kept forcefully advocating for the bombing and invasion of Cuba, against both president Kennedy's and Defense Secretary McNamara's wishes. </p>
<p>Unknown to the US, the Soviet field commanders in Cuba had been given authority to launch nuclear weapons under their control. They had at least 20 nuclear warheads for medium-range R-12 Dvina (NATO Code SS-4 Sandal) ballistic missiles capable of reaching US cities (including Washington DC), each carrying a one megaton warhead (equivalent to 50 Hiroshima bombs), and nine tactical nuclear missiles. </p>
<p>A Soviet submarine flotilla in the area commanded by Kapitan (later Vice Admiral) Vasili Arkhipov had nuclear torpedoes. Because a US Navy surface flotilla was harassing the Soviet submarines with small depth charges, both the flagship's captain and its Zampolit (political officer), believing that war had started, voted to fire a nuclear torpedo at the flotilla. But Captain Arkhipov, a veteran of the K-19 disaster, voted to wait and see, thus averting World War III. (It required a yes vote of all three, just one man of the three voting no averted war.)</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poet

I don&#039;t even see that &quot;arc&quot; - Goldwater was a classic capitalist/conservative, Trump is an idiotic self-pomoter/narcissistic/moron/failed reality TV host.  The only thing they have in common is the Rep. lable.</description>
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<p>I don't even see that "arc" - Goldwater was a classic capitalist/conservative, Trump is an idiotic self-pomoter/narcissistic/moron/failed reality TV host.  The only thing they have in common is the Rep. lable.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@crs
The 64 election was indeed a big turning point in u.s. politics. How many people even know that it was Kennedy who got us into Vietnam and Nixon who got us out? I wonder sometimes whether lbj&#039;s victory in 64 was what started the arc of the Republican party away from goldwater and toward Donald trump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@crs<br />
The 64 election was indeed a big turning point in u.s. politics. How many people even know that it was Kennedy who got us into Vietnam and Nixon who got us out? I wonder sometimes whether lbj's victory in 64 was what started the arc of the Republican party away from goldwater and toward Donald trump.</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poet

I lost all respect for the intelligence of the American electorate when they rejected Goldwater in &#039;64 because the Democratics told them he was a warmonger, which resulted in LBJ and, you guessed it, the Vietnam war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poet</p>
<p>I lost all respect for the intelligence of the American electorate when they rejected Goldwater in '64 because the Democratics told them he was a warmonger, which resulted in LBJ and, you guessed it, the Vietnam war.</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this &quot;Republican relative&quot; hopes is that the other guys (YOU guys) never again nominate a candidate anything like the one you nominated that resulted in the country being afflicted with the Orange Moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this "Republican relative" hopes is that the other guys (YOU guys) never again nominate a candidate anything like the one you nominated that resulted in the country being afflicted with the Orange Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i thought i was cynical about the intelligence of the american people.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.&quot;
~H.L. Mencken&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i thought i was cynical about the intelligence of the american people.</p>
<p><b>"No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people."<br />
~H.L. Mencken</b></p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cw, 
You really need to read yesterday&#039;s comments.
JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cw,<br />
You really need to read yesterday's comments.<br />
JL</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weigant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Weigant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, in the spirit of this column, I&#039;ll begin.

Michale -

Where do you want the party to go?  Where do you think it&#039;ll end up?

-CW

PS. I wrote that paragraph about Trump making liberals&#039; heads explode just for you!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, in the spirit of this column, I'll begin.</p>
<p>Michale -</p>
<p>Where do you want the party to go?  Where do you think it'll end up?</p>
<p>-CW</p>
<p>PS. I wrote that paragraph about Trump making liberals' heads explode just for you!</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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