C'mon Michale! Your a smart guy who can argue his point. I need your reply here. I know you can do it!

Here we are at Point A. Trump has never broken even 50% job approval rating, his people keep ending up resigning in disgrace or in jail and recent poll shows 50% of us want Trump not only Impeached but Removed from office versus the same 43% who'll support Cheetogod no matter what.

So where are the votes to reelect Trump, with or without a landslide? How do we get from Point A to Point B?

Why do you insist on LYING about what I say??

Poor "liddle'" Mike whining about lies and/or fake quotes?

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Ruling on McGahn; no absolute immunity and he must testify. Won't change anything, but the SC is likely to get a backlog of appeals of these (imo) baseless immunity claims.

While I agree that Franklin was stating that impeachment was meant to be the preferred alternative to an assassination — and honestly, it is the only other alternative for getting rid of a corrupt president.

Outside of the election held every 4 years, I believe you mean.

But I don’t think that the comparison to “assassination” is wrong either. Assassination ends a person’s life and therefore ends their political life.

I disagree, and I'll explain why using history. As you know, Abraham Lincoln was America's 16th president and the first POTUS to be assassinated (1865). Upon Lincoln's death by assassination, Vice President Andrew Johnson was sworn in within hours of Lincoln's death on April 15 and became our 17th president. Fast forward a few years later when Andrew Johnson was American's first president to be impeached... thus ending his political life on February 24, 1868? Nope. Johnson was acquitted in the Senate by a mere one vote and continued to serve as POTUS.

Johnson didn't lose the 1868 election to Robert E. Lee because at the Democratic National Convention held in New York in July 1868, Johnson wasn't chosen by Democrats, who instead chose to nominate former New York governor Horatio Seymour on the 22nd ballot... thus ending Johnson's political career? Nope. On Christmas Day 1868, Johnson issued a final amnesty for war crimes covering everyone, including Jefferson Davis. In his final months in office he issued the usual pardons for crimes, including a pardon for the doctor convicted for his involvement in the Lincoln assassination for setting John Wilkes Booth's broken leg, Dr. Mudd (as in, "your name is Mudd"). Of course, Johnson then served until the end of what was originally Lincoln's term, until March 4, 1869... thus ending his political carerr? Yep, finally... just kidding.

After a few years, Johnson mounted a political comeback, ran and was elected to the Senate in Tennessee and was sworn in on March 5, 1875 to the United States Senate. Impeachment didn't cause Johnson's political death... so what did? He died in office, though not by assassination. Senator Johnson's political career and his life were both ended due to a series of strokes in July 1875.

Nixon wasn't impeached, but the impeachment process certainly caused his resignation, and the next President to undergo the impeachment process was William Jefferson Clinton, who was impeached in December 1998... thus ending his political career? Not really. Clinton was acquitted in the Senate and served for another approximately two years as President of the United States. Clinton could probably have been reelected to a third term were it not for the ratification of the 22nd Amendment in 1951 declaring a person can only be elected to the office of the United States presidency two times... for which we can thank Franklin D. Roosevelt, Americas only president to be elected to a third term (1940) and Americas only president to be elected to a fourth term (1944). Clinton moved to New York and nothing precluded him running for Senate or other office where he likely could have mopped the floor with any Republican candidate... like his wife did.

Zephyr Teachout was on Chris Hayes’ podcast recently and they had a fascinating discussion on “corruption”.

She was also on a recent live show of Chris's, and she's awesome. I just generally love history and anybody who knows history, and she really knows her stuff.

Trump was trying to corrupt our elections...once again!

Yes, sir. Trump is definitely an asset of Russia, as you've said.

He has sought aid from foreign powers to assist him in this effort. That is why he needs to be removed for office immediately.

I agree, and I believe he will be impeached barring any currently unforeseen intervening events. Do I believe it will be the death of his political career? Nope! But that is because he has corrupted the entire impeachment process by instructing witnesses not to testify in violation of the law. He's also committed multiple other crimes -- before and during his presidency -- for which he can stand and likely will stand trial when he leaves office. One needs only to look at the plethora of Trump associates who are currently in jail or headed to jail soon in order to deduce Trump's likely future (barring any intervening events, of course) unless he cuts a deal with prosecutors... both federal and the State of New York.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: We are living history. :)

If you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk.
Tuco (Eli Wallach) The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

This is like the lie you keep saying where you claim I said I was never an LEO..

Always bullshitting about what I say.

Let’s start with your comments posted to CW’s FTP from February 23, 2018

FTP 2/23/18
[185] Michale wrote:
Since Michael was never a state commissioned police officer but was a military police officer (which means he never dealt with anyone who wasn’t completely tied to the military’s rules),

[ Permalink ]   [ Monday, February 26th, 2018 at 12:35 UTC ]

Graduating from a POST Police Academy and being a certified deputy is not the same thing as working as a LEO! Even if that much is true, and with as much as you lie I cannot be sure that it is true... it only means that you might have been eligible to apply for a job in law enforcement, but it does NOT mean anyone hired you!

Then just a few weeks ago I asked you if I was lying when I said that you had told me that you were an MP in the service...


I guess I was lying about you claiming to be a MP in the service, too?

[ Monday, November 4th, 2019 at 02:55 UTC ]

But back in the comments from CW’s June 8, 2016 article, your comment [80] shows that I was not lying!

[80] 
Michale wrote:

Michale
[ Sunday, June 12th, 2016 at 14:59 UTC ]

Sure looks like you were claiming to have shot someone when you were an MP.

Would you like for me to post your messages claiming to have been in law enforcement for over 25 years and some others???

Smith says she was born into the Democratic Party and voted for Barack Obama twice. For the 2016 Ohio primary, she said she even voted for Bernie Sanders to be the party’s nominee. But when it came time to pick a president, she voted with her neighbors in Ashtabula County, helping it swing from a 12-point victory for Barack Obama in 2012 to a 19-point win for Trump.

Bonnie is the kind of Trump supporter that Democrats take great glee in attacking and demonizing...

Rust Belt voters on Trump: ‘I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat’
https://nypost.com/2019/11/23/rust-belt-voters-on-trump-id-vote-for-him-again-in-a-heartbeat/

The more set patriotic Americans are in voting again for President Trump..

What Dumbocrats don't get is that they NEED Trump supporters to win elections.

And attacking and demonizing those supporters is NOT the way to win them over..

Republicans should relax. Democrats are doing everything possible to secure another four years for President Trump.

It's funny.. The more Democrats do to try and oppose President Trump, the better and better his chances of a landslide re-election.. :D

"By bringing Spock back into the past, the Klingons set in motion the very sequence of events that they went back in time to prevent!!
-Dr Leonard McCoy, STAR TREK-ISHMAEL

The GOP could dredge up plenty of unpleasantness about former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, and possibly about issues such as why a high-ranking Ukrainian politician gave millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state.

President Trump is BEGGING for a trial.. He and the GOP will be able to bitch-slap Democrats six ways from Sunday!! :D

And Democrats won't be able to do ANYTHING but sit there on their hands and take it!! :D

Adding insult to injury, Trump’s approval rating has actually gone up, not down, over the past month. And, the stock market keeps hitting new highs.

Dumbocrats are taking a beating in the polls... :D

It's funny.. Ya'all were SOOO exuberant about the polls last week..

Now, ya'all hardly mention them.. :D

"Gee!! I wonder why that is!!!"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

Notwithstanding these obvious red flags, Democrats are now preparing to take their case to the Judiciary Committee, chaired by the wobbly Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y. Act one for Nadler was overseeing the hearings that featured Robert Mueller, after the special counsel concluded that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia.

In advance of those hearings, Nadler told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" he hoped “it won't end up being a dud.” It was worse than a dud; Wallace later claimed it was a “disaster for the Democrats and I think it's been a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller.”

Yea.. Let's let NADLER take over!!!

What could POSSIBLY go wrong!!???? :D

I think even CW remarked what a disaster for the Democrats the Mueller hearing was..

Nadler can handle it... :D

This Democrat faux impeachment coup has descended into a Keystone Cops routine.. The idea that this is an actual threat to President Trump is official LAUGHABLE... :D

Guess what? The DNC is running short on ammo.

Democrats are losing the PR battle on a multitude of fronts... :D

Courtesy of President Trump... :D

"I love it when a plan comes together.."
-Hannibal Smith, THE A-TEAM

:D

In contrast, the Democrat party machine brought in a mere $9 million. At the end of last month, the Democratic National Committee was $7 million in debt and had only $8.7 million in the kitty.

Like I said about my VERY BAD, MUCH WORSE and CATASTROPHIC outcomes above..

There is simply NO PATH where this ends well for Democrats..

NO MATTER WHAT Democrats do, they are royally scroo'ed..

Courtesy of President Trump... :D

Nope.. I never said any such thing..

Why do you insist on LYING about what I say??

This is like the lie you keep saying where you claim I said I was never an LEO..

Always bullshitting about what I say.

Oh, I am sure you are gonna try and pass this off as an innocent misspeak or something like that..

But, as usual, it's nothing but your bullshit lies..

Uh-huh. More likely, Schiff is panicked that his unfair inquiry has been a complete flop for Democrats. The public is turning against the drive to boot President Trump from office, causing speculation that Democrats will shy away from an official vote to impeach.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-trump-impeachment-liz-peek

Who could have POSSIBLY predicted that Dumbocrats would come to regret their faux impeachment coup.....

Oh.. Wait..

"IT WAS ME!!!!"
-Jim Carrey, LIAR LIAR

:D

And by your own words, impeachment only occurs when the Senate votes in favor of the charges outlined in the Articles of Impeachment.

Nope.. I never said any such thing..

Why do you insist on LYING about what I say??

Again, thank you.. Twice in one commentary.. Are you feeling OK?? :D

Irregardless of all SW references, the simple fact is, President Trump has done some very good things for this country in general and black and hispanic Americans specifically..

Ya wanna shoot for the trifecta and agree with that?? :D

Defense Chief Esper Ousts Navy Secretary in SEAL Fallout

(Bloomberg) -- Defense Secretary Mark Esper asked and received the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer on Sunday over his handling of the case of a Navy SEAL accused of war crimes in Iraq that angered President Donald Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defense-chief-esper-ousts-navy-secretary-in-trump-seal-fallout/ar-BBXh72X

Looks like SecNavy was shit-canned because he didn't understand that there is no difference between a "formal" order and a "suggestion" from one's commander...

You have to concede that there are DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of possibilities.. MANY of which are GOOD and sincere..

Donald J Trump is one of the most narcissistic sociopaths to ever exist.... everything he does is done to benefit him...end of sentence!

There are many reasons why President Trump would want to have minority unemployment at it's lowest level EVER..

Very VERY few of them would be evil or nefarious reasons.

For him to take credit for it occurring! And please note that this occurred on its own accord — it is not the intended outcome of some great economic stimulus plan that Trump set into motion! The fact that you cannot name a single component of any legislation or executive order that Trump has signed that focused on helping fight minority unemployment is a good indicator that it was just a random unearned accomplishment.

Anyway, an alternative to assassination means a substitute for it and not meant to be a comparison but an entirely altogether different possibility. So there's that too. :)

While I agree that Franklin was stating that impeachment was meant to be the preferred alternative to an assassination — and honestly, it is the only other alternative for getting rid of a corrupt president. But I don’t think that the comparison to “assassination” is wrong either. Assassination ends a person’s life and therefore ends their political life. Impeachment won’t physically kill a person, but it is meant to put an end to their political life.

Zephyr Teachout was on Chris Hayes’ podcast recently and they had a fascinating discussion on “corruption”. The Founding Father’s were obsessed with making sure we had a way to exorcise corruption from our government. She talked about how some who were not for impeachment made the argument that the next election would serve as the people’s way of ridding themselves of a corrupt president. (Sounds strangely familiar, doesn’t it?). But the Founding Father’s recognized that if the election process had been corrupted by a president, then that would not leave the people with a way to remove the corruption.

Trump was trying to corrupt our elections...once again! He has sought aid from foreign powers to assist him in this effort. That is why he needs to be removed for office immediately.

And by your own words, impeachment only occurs when the Senate votes in favor of the charges outlined in the Articles of Impeachment.

I know, right!? Impeachment only gets you a trial in the Senate in America, and Bubba "Mike" Trump was "all in" when -- according to his definition -- the GOP "assassinated" his BFF Bubba Clinton... who is obviously still alive and well and living in Bubba Trump's head, as well as the great State of New York.

Our Founding Father’s were obsessed with making sure that our government had ways to remove elected officials that had chosen to use their office for their own benefit and not for the good of their constituents. They would have hated Trump..

Great points... and also, Franklin didn't say impeachment is the "legal form of presidential assassination." John Dickinson of Delaware and Governor Morris of Pennsylvania were against impeachment because they thought a terrible president could just be voted out at the next election, to which Franklin quipped:

Anyone who wishes to be president should support an impeachment clause, because the alternative is assassination.
~ Benjamin Franklin

Wasn't he funny fellow? Anyway, an alternative to assassination means a substitute for it and not meant to be a comparison but an entirely altogether different possibility. So there's that too. :)

He is a civilian..

No, he isn't a civilian if he served and was honorably discharged. I hear he is unemployed now, but he is definitely and forever still a veteran.

Why do you insist on lying all the time? Or are you just so bone-deep ignorant that you're a veteran who doesn't know what a veteran is?

In the REAL military, even CO's "suggestion" is viewed as an order.

Comey said virtually the same thing when Trump got him alone and said, "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” and you and Trump and darn near everybody else in the GOP insisted it was a suggestion and not an order. Y'all should really pick a lane.

I realize that you, being too much of a coward to serve this country in uniform, don't understand such concepts..

Said the dipshit who claims to be veteran but doesn't know what a veteran is, and thank you ever so much for that confirmation that Your Orange Worship is a coward in your eyes. *laughs*

Yes, I have had 5 wrong predictions since I hooked up with CW back in 2005...

You're such an inveterate liar. Right off the top of my head I can think of two more. Allow me to demonstrate... *be right back*

[21] Michale wrote:

Anyone gonna watch the SCOTUS LIVE of the big decisions today?? :D

I'll be there...

My prediction:

SCOTUS will rule that the citizen question can be included in the census...

The Gerrymandering case will be decided in favor of Democrats..

That's my take...

[Thursday, June 27th, 2019 at 03:20 UTC]

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/06/26/illinois-becomes-11th-state-to-legalize-marijuana/#comment-138363

Your predictions there were WRONG and WRONG so that's two additional wrong predictions right there in one little ol' comment box, and I can assure you there are plenty more where those came from; however, I would advise an ignorant nerf herder like yourself not to mess with a Jedi Master of the mind and thereby force (pun intended) me to expose your pathological lying any further. :)

But getting back to President Trump as Sith Lord of Jedi Master..

Would a Sith Lord work towards black & hispanic unemployment to be the LOWEST it's ever been??

Yes, Bubba Mike, they're called "stormtoopers."

Bless your heart, you are dumber than a nerf herder.

Presidential assassination is a form of coup.. By Democrats own words, this impeachment is illegitimate..

And by your own words, impeachment only occurs when the Senate votes in favor of the charges outlined in the Articles of Impeachment.

And to put Franklin’s statement into context, you might want to look at all the other forms of government that existed during this period of history. The vast majority were monarchies, and death was the only way there could be a change in who ruled over a country. Franklin’s point was that while impeachment legally removed the person from office without bloodshed, it was meant to kill any future political ambitions or role in politics that the impeached might have had...just as if the person had actually been assassinated.

Our Founding Father’s were obsessed with making sure that our government had ways to remove elected officials that had chosen to use their office for their own benefit and not for the good of their constituents. They would have hated Trump..

And ya'all wonder why I am such a happy guy.. :D

No one here wonders why you're happy, Bubba Trump, because we're very well aware that ignorance is bliss and that your unparalleled stupidity likely qualifies you as the most enraptured dipshit alive in the alternative universe over on Earth 2. *laughs*

Wow... a written demonstration of rube pretzel logic and a full-on written confirmation of why it is that Bubba Trump continually refers to it as "simple logic."

correction: i mentioned one CATEGORY of possibility that is the reason a SITH lord does what he does. "larger designs" encompasses pretty much every single thing a sith lord wants to accomplish in the long-term. donald does absolutely nothing for that reason, because he doesn't have any long-term design for the future. based on all the data we have so far, donald does what feels right to him in the moment, completely disregarding any long-term consequences. the exact OPPOSITE of what either a sith lord OR a jedi would do. a sith would manipulate others to suit his vision, while a jedi would try to allow events to unfold according to the "will of the force" with minimal personal interference.

you might be on to something with the pre-leia han solo analogy. or maybe jabba the hutt. probably a hybrid of the two. not remotely mace windu though.

Dead on accurate!

While impeachment of the POTUS obviously triggers a Senate trial of Donald Trump, it's also a de facto trial of the Senators of the GOP.

It's obvious to anyone with one brain cell knocking around in their otherwise empty head that Donald Trump's strategy -- and by extension, the GOP's strategy -- is to impede Congress's responsibility of oversight by impeding their investigation... in legalese, obstruction of justice or in the vernacular, a cover-up.

It is a crime to impede an investigation. Full stop. Trump and the GOP's standing in the way of the People's investigation by preventing key witnesses from testifying and by flooding the proceeding with bad-faith claims and Russian conspiracy theories they know to be false is plain and simple obstruction of justice and outright lying and corruption of the impeachment process.

The President of the United States and Senators and Representatives and civil servants too, for that matter, are under an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. You're sworn by oath to protect the People and our rule of law and democracy. Anyone willing to break their oath and disseminate conspiracy theories they know to be propaganda has broken that oath and violated the public trust... so let's put them all on record whether they'll choose the rule of law or choose their Party over our People and the United States Constitution. Justice moves slow, but the facts will emerge; they eventually do.

Simple.. You mention only ONE possibility that is the reason President Trump does what he does.

You have to concede that there are DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of possibilities.. MANY of which are GOOD and sincere..

"We can't discount a possibility, simply because we don't happen to like it."
-Martin Sheen, THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

There are many reasons why President Trump would want to have minority unemployment at it's lowest level EVER..

Very VERY few of them would be evil or nefarious reasons.

I mean, it's not like President Trump said, "We'll have those niggers voting Democrat for 100 years!!"

the whole star wars universe is just generally not a good match for him.

I disagree.. President Trump would be a perfect Han..

"Take care of yourself, Han.. I guess that's what you're best at."
-Luke Skywalker

Mace Windu as well..

My point is, you automatically ascribe evil and nefarious reasons to President Trump when there is no evidence to support doing so...

agreed, correlation does not equal causation. but what on earth does that have to do with donald being completely un-jedi-like? he's also completely un-sith-like, although your inaccurate portrayal of him kind-of IS sith-like. not even like a hutt or a bounty hunter or han/lando (whatever they are). the whole star wars universe is just generally not a good match for him.

JL

Unlike practically everyone else here, I don't presume to know what is in RBG's heart or mind..

What are you basing that assertion on, Michale?

Did you read the link I posted??

Your question is answered there..

What are you basing that assertion on, Michale?

I left out strong as an ox in my reality-based description of her.

The notorious RBG exudes decency, integrity, intelligence and she fights tirelessly and with a vengeance for what is right.

I completely agree..

Which is why I wish the hysterical would let her retire in peace.. She has done her bit for King and Country..

But the hysterical Left is going to hold her in place.. Even if it kills her..

Which is appearing more and more likely to be the outcome..

Correlation != causation..

But does she fight like a jedi?

;p

JL

The notorious RBG exudes decency, integrity, intelligence and she fights tirelessly and with a vengeance for what is right.

And remind the few....
When ill of us they speak...
That we are all that stands between...
The monsters and the weak...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13839e8d10b9303c8d9aee50576e15b15f4844be91d15073a21097a85b780c50.jpg

He is a civilian..

And if he DID serve before, then he should realize that a "formal" order is not required..

In the REAL military, even CO's "suggestion" is viewed as an order.

I realize that you, being too much of a coward to serve this country in uniform, don't understand such concepts..

From Four day ago.

For the First time EVER:

A bill to remove marijuana from federal controlled substances lists, expunge federal convictions and arrests, and allocate resources to communities that have suffered under the U.S. government’s war on drugs passed 24-10 in the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

Yes, I have had 5 wrong predictions since I hooked up with CW back in 2005...

So, 5 Predictions wrong in 14 years...

I am sure you can do the math...

Regardless, how was your President Trump winning the election prediction?

That was a bigger screw-up than all 5 of mine. Especially when you consider that I called the EXACT EC count perfectly..

How was your prediction on yer Russia Collusion delusion. Another REALLY BIG one that you totally frak'ed up.. :D

So, I'll be happy to compare my record to ya'all's...

Especially when you consider that ya'all think that President Trump is actually going to be removed from office..

That will be another win for me and utter decimating loss for ya'all.. :D

You can run away now.. :D

"Secretary of Navy says Trump’s tweet is not a formal order

Gods, deliver me from ignorant civilians.."

Wrong again oh wise one!

Richard Vaughn Spencer (born January 18, 1954) currently serves as the 76th United States Secretary of the Navy.

Spencer served in the U.S. Marine Corps from 1976 to 1981 as a Marine Aviator.

So that makes him a navy veteran, not a civilian!

1) Doug Jones elected Democratic Senator of Alabama 2017

BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2) Democrats win House in 40 seat landslide 2018 midterms

BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

3) Andy Beshear elected Democratic governor of Kentucky 2019

BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

4) Democrats take complete control of Virginia state government 2019

BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

5) John Bel Edwards elected Democratic governor of Louisiana 2019

BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yet, we are to believe Michale's predictions that A) Democrats will lose the House in 2020 B) Republicans will keep control of the Senate in 2020 and C) Trump will be elected president in 2020

Given Michael's track record, doesn't seem very likely does it???

Bless his heart! :-)

Gods, deliver me from ignorant civilians..

An order from a commander doesn't have to be "formal" to be binding.. ESPECIALLY the Commander In Chief..

THank you.. That's all you had to say.. :D

"So? Scariest environment imaginable.. That's all you had to say.. Scariest environment imaginable. Thank you."
-Oscar, ARMAGEDDON

:D

But getting back to President Trump as Sith Lord of Jedi Master..

Would a Sith Lord work towards black & hispanic unemployment to be the LOWEST it's ever been??

That's the problem with many Trump/America haters on the Left.. They are a caricature who would demonize or castigate President Trump if he cured cancer and brought peace to the middle east...

That's why it's hard to take them seriously..

that's a short-term "mind-trick" - not interfering with another individual's free will. yoda knew what was coming, which is how he survived. but he didn't act to shape events to his own will, even though in retrospect doing so might have prevented the near extinction of the jedi order.

JL

I won a bet from my dad who swore up and down that there was never a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE series without Jim Phelps at the head..

Thankfully, the wonders of the Internet allowed me to introduce my dad to Dan Briggs.. :D

They were pretty good..

No..

But it has EVERYTHING to do with your claim that awesome manipulation is solely the realm of evil..

Which was my point..

but they did not use it to manipulate the actions of others, even for the greater good.

You mean like when Obi Wan manipulated the Storm Trooper into believing that those weren't the droids they were looking for?

Like that?? :D

That's how Trump won in '16, and that's how he, and enough GOP senators, are going to lose in '20.

So, yer saying that not only will take the White House, but will also take the Senate?? :D

I admire such wolf-ish chutzpah... It's refreshing when amongst the mealy-mouthed meanderings and mewlings of the village sheeple..

Assuming I survive the week, care to put a little wager on it?? :D

The 3 possible conclusions go from VERY BAD to MUCH WORSE to CATASTROPHIC

VERY BAD
Pelosi, realizing she doesn't have the votes, pulls the faux impeachment coup from consideration and tries to write the whole thing off as a win by virtue of getting this all out in the open... Pelosi is humiliated...

MUCH WORSE
Pelosi, deciding to ride this to the bitter end, pushes the AOI vote and it promptly fails when 40 House Democrats join the GOP in opposing.. Pelosi is humiliated..

CATASTROPHIC
Pelosi pushes the vote and wins approval in the House. Which refers things over to a TRUMP/GOP Controlled Senate trial and all Democrat malfeasance and incompetence is laid bare for all to see... Pelosi is humiliated..

There is simply no plausible scenario where this whole faux impeachment coup ends well for the Democrat Party..

And ya'all wonder why I am such a happy guy.. :D

Can you imagine the utter demoralizing effect that a 3rd President Trump SCOTUS pick would have on the Trump/America haters in the run-up to Nov of 2020?? :D

What a pleasing thought.. :smirk: :D

Looks like President Trump is going to be getting his 3rd SCOTUS pick sooner rather than later...

Democrats can chalk up another death to their hysterical Party slavery...

that sort of manipulation would be more typical of a sith lord.

Apparently, you have never seen MISSION IMPOSSIBLE..

The series, not the abysmal movies..

Did you see the NYT reporting yesterday evening (confirmed now by NBC News)

I wonder if you can appreciate the humor in that.. :D

It's not a coup, and it's not a faux.

Actually, it's both..

Benjamin Franklin said that Impeachment is the legal form of presidential assassination..

Presidential assassination is a form of coup.. By Democrats own words, this impeachment is illegitimate..

Illegitimate is a form of illegal..

An illegal impeachment is a coup..

That would require credible Republicans who could vote honestly without fear of being targeted by Trump and his base.

Justin Amash was a member of the GOP who held very conservative views, but who was not willing to invalidate or exchange his oath to the Constitution for an oath of loyalty to Trump’s ego. Amash was run out of the Republican Party because he believed and said to the world that Trump had committed impeachable offenses!

How can you have “credible bipartisan support” when the entire Republican Party has been corrupted into forced submission to whatever Trump wishes?

Did you see the NYT reporting yesterday evening (confirmed now by NBC News) that the IC briefed senators on evidence that the Ukraine meddling story was a Russian intel operation? It's going to be tough to just "fake news" that; neither NYT nor NBC is going to put out something so easily denied by senators.

[39] The Focus Group'ed Articles of Impeachment are a joke

Even if those were in fact drafted already, they would/will likely be reviewed by Constitutional lawyers (briefs) and the public (focus groups). This is high stakes bingo, baby, and they learned how to focus from Frank Luntz.

Actually they learned it at the top Biz, Mass Comm, and Hard Knocks schools just like Frank did, but I needed a segue to Luntz. A couple of weeks ago, he commented how a majority of the public approves of what the President is doing for the country, but are very tired of his tedious and embarrasing language and his continuous fighting with, and demeaning of, everyone. And that's a good thing, because it means the deep state and the Wall Street cabal don't have to crash the economy. This is also why Trump will lose if the Democrats don't run an incarnation of McGovern. And they won't; that's what superdelegates (the opposite of a focus group) are for.

[49] Horowitz is going to arrest Comey, Clinton, and Obama for investigating Your Worship.

From official Senate Judiciary press release: "...deliver a detailed account of what he [Horowitz] found regarding his investigation, along with recommendations as to how to make our judicial and investigative systems better." (Google it for the source; it's during the last week)

Let's think about this for a second. Does it make sense that the IG for the lawyers would come in and criminally refer two former FBI directors, a past DNI, a President, and assorted other senior [DS] actors (to use the Russian psyop* Q's abbreviation for Deep State), and then move on to a seminar on different ways everyone could up their games?

*Just my opinion here. Could be legit.

[59] Anyone who thinks that President Trump will be removed from office over this faux impeachment coup??

It's not a coup, and it's not a faux. But I digress; I for one don't think that. I think the impeachment, first and foremost, is for the historical record. That will be augmented by the passage of time, declassification, and new actors, laying out all the supporting facts now shielded by shenanigans.

But more immediately, the impeachment is to put the Republican senators in a pincer. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. A large majority of college+ educated and other high-information voters are just so tired of him. They are oozing contempt for him, and the trial will be a means to tranfer that contempt (some might call it derangement syndrome, but whatever) to senators, maybe even to ones that bring bailouts to bean farmers or aluminium plants to ol' Kentucky.

Gerrymandering can't save somebody in a state-wide, and nothing drives turnout like visceral contempt, fear and loathing. That's how Trump won in '16, and that's how he, and enough GOP senators, are going to lose in '20.

not that donald in ANY way, shape or form would ever be capable of such masterful planning and foresight.

but if in some parallel universe of alternate facts he did, it would indeed make him sith, not jedi.

JL

that sort of manipulation would be more typical of a sith lord.

"everything is proceeding as i have foreseen it"
~emperor palpatine

One of my all-time favorite movies!

Leave it to Pelosi and the Dumbocrats to be suckered into ANOTHER LOSE-LOSE situation by President Trump, the Jedi Master... :D

Trump didn't sucker anyone into anything, and Putin is the one pulling Trump's strings. Trump is a criminal... always has been, always will be.

No one is likely to read your lifted article, Bubba Mike.

Don't you have any control over your urge and propensity to lift these entire huge articles and publish them in the comments section of CW's forum?

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

They are your average citizens....they are “We, the People”.

well, yes...

https://images.app.goo.gl/xYAX7vkTVQF9VUqH8

Time magazine should make their “Person of the Year” the Civil Servant.

Thank you, Russ!

**we blush**

Dumbocrats are losing the PR war.. :D

Doesn't matter. They're doing what they have to do under the circumstances.

Pelosi will find some way to save face, saying something like "All we wanted to do was to get this information into the open. We've done that, so there is no need to have a vote."

We already think you're a dumbfuck; you needn't keep supplying the proof!

Also: You've learned nothing whatsoever from JL... not a single damn thing.

But it's universally agreed here (by those with more than 2 brain cells to rub together) that if Pelosi doesn't hold a vote, she KNOWS that the vote will fail..

She's de facto already held the vote, dumbass, and based on the evidence they've uncovered against Trump's written obstruction of justice in ordering people not to cooperate, that vote will not vary by much... if at all.

Pelosi was the one who didn't want to impeach Trump, and Trump was the one who left her no choice. Allow yourself to let that sink in, m'kay. Try not to remain an ignorant dipshit your whole life. *laughs*

I predicted this outcome a day or so ago..

What can we say, you are definitely an ignorant dipshit who seemingly can't learn that this is about the Constitution and the rule of law at this point and not about politics at all. Even when things are spelled out to you in the easiest of terms to grasp, you can't seem to catch on.

Pelosi is running scared!!! :D

Ask yourself this: Who is going to jail one by one?

Ask yourself this: Who isn't going to jail like you were promised by Horowitz and the QAnon dipshits?

Now ask yourself this: Between Trump and Nancy Pelosi, which one has more cause to be scared?

If you think it's Nancy Pelosi, then you're not paying attention, and here's your sign -----> **STUPID**

“The idea that she couldn’t even bring it to a vote, I think it’s hard to express how bad that would be for her,” Holmes said.

No matter which way they go, Dumobcrats and Pelosi will lose and lose BIG.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday guaranteed that Trump would be acquitted.

Pelosi would be utterly and completely stoopid to give President Trump and the GOP an open forum completely under the control of President Trump..

This has fueled speculation among Senate Republicans that Pelosi may opt for a vote on a censure resolution and skip the prospect of a Senate trial that could drag on for a month or more, during which impeachment fatigue among voters could intensify. Pelosi has ruled out a censure vote.

Who could have POSSIBLY predicted that the American people would turn against the Dumbocrats and their faux impeachment coup...

Oh... Wait.. :D

While Pelosi has not guaranteed there will be a vote, it’s hard to imagine she would risk a backlash from the Democratic base by cutting the process short after two weeks of public hearings. Many Democrats saw the hearings as providing damning testimony against Trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/471744-trump-gop-skeptical-pelosi-will-go-through-with-impeachment

Dumbocrats are losing the PR war.. :D

Pelosi will find some way to save face, saying something like "All we wanted to do was to get this information into the open. We've done that, so there is no need to have a vote."

But it's universally agreed here (by those with more than 2 brain cells to rub together) that if Pelosi doesn't hold a vote, she KNOWS that the vote will fail..

I predicted this outcome a day or so ago..

Looks like it's coming to pass..

Pelosi is running scared!!! :D

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Yep! A thousand times, Yep!

This week’s hearings have shown the country who it is in our government that they really should be placing their faith in. Those offering testimony were not acting out of partisan interests, they were doing their jobs and upholding their oaths to the Constitution.

Hell, even CW concedes that Trump will remain in office..

That's just an admission that the GOP have sold out to Benedict Donald and are now spineless dipshits who will choose their Party over their sworn oaths to the United States of America and We the People.

Anyone who thinks that President Trump will be removed from office over this faux impeachment coup??

I haven't seen anyone on this forum saying that... so you must be posting that to soothe yourself. I would wager that most everyone here thinks the GOP are spineless liars who are quite content to push Putin's narrative like they've been doing all during these impeachment hearings and knowingly lying while witnesses are under oath in an attempt to rewrite the Mueller Report to clear Trump and company for any wrongdoing for his campaign's coordination with WikiLeaks (a cutout of Russia). Putin's goal has always been the takeover of Ukraine's energy resources and the easing of sanctions by Trump. Same old shit... different day!

I am more than happy to hear from people who voted for Trump on the actual issue.

Hell, if you ever bothered to address the points directly instead of deflecting and trying to change the focus to unrelated past events involving someone other than Trump, it would be great! Like on Wednesday, I pointed out multiple times that Trumpkins disappointed me...

I hate to admit this, but you are partially correct that I have been wrong about something when it comes to Trump’s long list of illegal, immoral, and highly unethical acts since taking office. Every time these things occur, I tell myself that this will be the line in the sand that Trump supporters will not cross in allowing Trump to destroy our nation’s government and our standing as leader of the free world...and each time you have proven me wrong!

So, yes, I am sick and tired of being proven wrong by you. Every time that I think you are going to finally say that enough is enough and choose to fight to remove this traitorous idiot before he can do anymore damage to our country, you surprise me by wanting him to do more — and once again prove me wrong!

I pointed out all of these acts by Trump that deserved being addressed, but you couldn’t defend him so you jumped to asking completely unrelated facts:

Maybe we should ask hispanic Americans how THEY are enjoying their LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT EVER...

I’m happy to ask them those questions, but that is a discussion for another day. Today, right now, we are discussing Trump’s actions regarding his demand for Ukraine to provide him with what he wants if they want military aid to be released.

You complain that we aren’t willing to listen to the opinions of Trump supporters, but don’t you discount everything the Democrats say? Trump says something stupid, the Democrats call him out for it, and you scream that anyone who points out when Trump lies is an “America-hater”. You are the one who isn’t discussing what is happening each day.

Yea.. You were also this sure with yer Russia Collusion delusion..

If you are so damn dipshit ignorant that you can't figure out that this issue isn't a separate issue from those covered in the Mueller report, then I cannot help that kind of hysterical rube dumbfuckery.

Also: You're flailing and deflecting again, and you sound like an ignorant dipshit on a permanent loop of stupidity.

And you were completely and utterly WRONG!!

Imagine how comical it is to everyone else that a dipshit like you keeps deflecting every single subject into the same tired rote bullshit of yours wherein you repeat yourself over and over like a catatonic zombie wherein you refer to everyone else as wrong... meanwhile you'll always be that ignorant so-called "law enforcement officer" who got bitch slapped into his trailer in the swamps for his own easily searchable public record mind-boggling dumbfucking stupidity, and there is simply nothing on Earth that you can proffer that changes either your pathetic bitch slapped situation or the fact that everybody couldn't care less when morons like you call them "wrong." You're hysterical!

ROTFLMAO

Bless your demonstrably ignorant heart, Bubba Mike! *laughs*

:D

Anyone who thinks that President Trump will be removed from office over this faux impeachment coup??

Is a Party slave and moron.. :D

They were caught dead to rights, and if Mulvaney, Pompeo, and Bolton had any exculpatory evidence that would clear Trump, he'd allow them to testify... but they don't... so they can't.

Yea.. You were also this sure with yer Russia Collusion delusion..

And you were completely and utterly WRONG!!

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After all this Dumbocrat faux impeachment coup runs it's course, do you know what the final result will be?

President Trump will STILL be in office!!

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You will completely and utterly LOSE!!

AGAIN!!!! :D

And because President Trump wants a trial so much

Nope.

and because a GOP Senate trial will be completely and utterly DECIMATING to Dumbocrats...

For what? Working in Ukraine? Utter dipshit fantasy... particularly when Rick Perry was there to get some graft on behalf of his and Trump's cronies in the United States. Trump had the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine fired to please Putin and corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs who are trying to take over their country. Biden is the side issue here, dipshit; although I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump's lawyers will attempt to create a circus as part of their defense strategy because when the facts are against you, you definitely pound the table and scream and blind the gullible rubes with deflection and distration.

That is why Pelosi will not allow this faux impeachment coup to leave the House..

The Trump administration's use of his personal lawyer and Lev and Igor (yes, he knows them) associates of Firtash and the GOP's attempted corruption of Ukraine has left Pelosi no choice but to impeach Trump.

They were caught dead to rights, and if Mulvaney, Pompeo, and Bolton had any exculpatory evidence that would clear Trump, he'd allow them to testify... but they don't... so they can't.

I guess now that the QAnon fantasy about "Horowitz" that Mike keeps posting about and the perp walks for Obama, Comey, Clinton, and lots of Democrats the dipshits were telling us all about aren't going to materialize so they have to hang on to the utter asinine new fantasy that a POTUS wants to be impeached and a criminal wants a trial!

You beat me to this! I was about to ask Michale if he was excited that Horowitz’s report would finally show us how corrupt the whole Trump/Russia investigation had been... for someone who claims to always be right, I am curious to hear how he wasn’t wrong about this...should be a doozy!!!

Yea.. Odumbo tried that when he claimed that Trump would never be President.

You're off topic again, Mike, and flailing hysterically!

Blah, blah, blah... Obama!
Blah, blah, blah... Obama!
Blah, blah, blah....Obama!

Bubba Trump loves him some Barack Obama!

It's gonna work out the same for Daddy's Little Cockholster when this faux impeachment coup completely and utterly FAILS..

And there it is!

Bubba Trump performs on cue now, y'all! He's admittedly not a Weigantian because he's Weigantia's Bitch!

Trump has allowed zero documents to be released in response to congressional subpoenas and has instructed all government employees to ignore subpoenas from the investigating committees... corrupt cowards!

You mean, like listening to the opinions of people who LIKE President Trump and VOTED for him??

You keep deflecting, Mike, it's flailing. Also: You keep flailing in your deflection to yourself as if everything is about you.

Breaking News: Everything isn't about you. Try to stay on topic and not flail hysterically.

Regardless of all that, impeachment... a REAL impeachment should be based on FACTS..

It was nice of Sondland to provide some... but wait! There's more! :)

Of course President Trump wants a trial.. The Focus Group'ed Articles of Impeachment are a joke..

VERY easy to refute those.. ~ Bubba Trump a.k.a. Mike

There are no Articles of Impeachment at this time, so the joke must be you!

And Russ drops the mic on Bubba Trump.

Hey, Russ, I've never seen a law enforcement officer worth a shit who'd believe a person who has provided his own confession wants a trial, and how stupid do you have to be to believe that any POTUS would want to be impeached? Mind-boggling ignorance on display there!

I guess now that the QAnon fantasy about "Horowitz" that Mike keeps posting about and the perp walks for Obama, Comey, Clinton, and lots of Democrats the dipshits were telling us all about aren't going to materialize so they have to hang on to the utter asinine new fantasy that a POTUS wants to be impeached and a criminal wants a trial!

ROTFLMAO... Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Rubes!

That is why Pelosi will not allow this faux impeachment coup to leave the House..

Yep!

Yea, and you know this because you read his mind??

Your straw man argument is as pathetic as you are ignorant. No, moron, we know this because the last thing a criminal wants is testimony by witnesses under penalty of perjury that can be used in a court of law wherein they can be held accountable by law in a later trial. To make it simple for you, stupid: Criminals aren't fond of trials. Also: You're a fool if you think Donald Trump wants to be impeached, and the only way Trump gets a trial is to be impeached.

This may come as a shock to those who believe that Trump was attempting to be a crime-fighting POTUS, but claiming to be a corruption fighter in Ukraine by requesting the investigation of the Biden's and Burisma (one of the smaller businesses in Ukraine) and investigations into Hillary Clinton/CrowdStrike and advancing that false narrative of Vlad Putin's doesn't constitute fighting corruption when there are a myriad of other larger companies that you're interested in in order to make money for your cronies. That's not fighting corruption, dipshit; that's promoting corruption.

Of course President Trump wants a trial.. The Focus Group'ed Articles of Impeachment are a joke..

Another straw man argument not relevant. I would think that a so-called law enforcement officer like you claim you are would have the sense enough to know that criminals don't want trials, and presidents of the United States don't want to be impeached and have to go to trial.

VERY easy to refute those..

Enjoy your fantasy, Bubba Trump; you're simply not thinking if you really think that Trump wants a trial.

And the ADDED BONUS is that President Trump can drag ANY Democrat into the trial and have them interrogated UNDER OATH....

Trump will be the one on trial, dipshit, but enjoy your right-wingnut fantasy that it'll be one-sided. It'll go nicely beside your QAnon fantasy you've posted on this forum multiple times wherein Horowitz is going to arrest Comey, Clinton, and Obama for investigating Your Worship. Your ignorance regarding legal issues is side-splitting comedy.

Hell yes, President Trump wants a trial..

Hell, yes, you're an idiot. :)

The Democrat Plant/Stooge (who ya'all moronically call a "whistle blower") will be FORCED to testify!!!

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Cannot WAIT for the Senate Trial.. :D

It's going to be AWESOME to see President Trump totally ream Dumbocrats up one side and down the other.

And Democrats will be able to do NOTHING about it but sit there and take it!!!

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Yea.. Odumbo tried that when he claimed that Trump would never be President.

It's gonna work out the same for Daddy's Little Cockholster when this faux impeachment coup completely and utterly FAILS..

As EVERYONE here knows it will..

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It’s listening to the opinions of those constituents and putting their suggestions to use... kinda what you hope for in a representative democracy!

Really??

You mean, like listening to the opinions of people who LIKE President Trump and VOTED for him??

You morons didn't LIKE the "representative democracy" when it elected President Trump.

NOW you claim to want to listen to them??

You are such a moron..

Regardless of all that, impeachment... a REAL impeachment should be based on FACTS..

Not what's popular in a Dumbocrat Focus Group..

Again.. Yer such a moron..

VERY easy to refute those..

There are no Articles of Impeachment at this time, so the joke must be you!

It's not that Weigantians think that ALL politicians are venal greedy bastards..

They only think that of politicians who have a -R after their names..

Your standard operational rote bullshit is both repetitive and hysterical in its rube-like simplicity. Of course, I would wager that the vast majority of real Weigantians are pleased with the indisputable fact that in your eagerness to spew your hatred toward our group, you're either a lying degenerate bastard or you have identified yourself as not a Weigantian because not only do you not hate those with an -R after their name, you are their prostrating sucker.

True Weigantians everywhere would like to thank you ever so much for that admission for all posterity that you're either a bottom-dwelling lying scum sucker or you're not a Weigantian.

THEIR politicians, the ones with the -D after their names, they think are pure as the driven snow..

Do you ever read the MDDOTW or are you just content to lie -- even in the commentary where Weigantia highlights a Democrat busted for bribery -- or are you so demonstrably ignorant that you're claiming that Chris isn't a Weigantian? That is some special kind of dipshittery stupidity.

True Weigantians everywhere would like to thank you ever so much for that admission for all posterity that you're either a bottom-dwelling lying scum sucker or you're claiming that Chris Weigant isn't a Weigantian.

So to recap: Either you aren't a Weigantian or you've labeled Chris Weigant not a Weigantian or you are a bottom-dwelling pathological lying scum sucking dipshit of the highest order.

Let's let Weigantians decide... meaning: You don't get a vote, Bubba Trump, unless you're willing to concede you're a bottom-dwelling pathological lying scum sucking dipshit. :)

Only Dumbocrats could come up with something so utterly un-American and lame..

You don’t know what “focus groups” are, do you?

They are your average citizens....they are “We, the People”.

Town Halls, the type where politicians go back to their districts and hold a Q&A for their constituents, are used as focus groups.

It’s listening to the opinions of those constituents and putting their suggestions to use... kinda what you hope for in a representative democracy!

It’s not shocking that you find this ridiculous, but it is sad.

Since a lot of people are saying really mean things about Biden (myself included), here's a bone...

Joe Biden has stood the test of time. He should be the next president: Tom Vilsack

A former Iowa governor says Joe Biden can help heal our nation and return a sense of normalcy and decency to the White House.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/23/joe-biden-tom-vilsack-endorse-democratic-primary-iowa-column/4271673002/

Don't say I am never nice.. :D