If Impeachment is a solemn and sacred duty, does it make ANY kind of sense in trivalizing it with a Focus Group??

If you want to find out what the people think about different subjects, you talk to the people. It goes on all the time. For instance, Donald Trump has dropped his plans to outlaw the vaping that has killed so many Americans because the head of his campaign found out through focus groups and talking to the people that vaping is popular with many of the Trump ilk. Sad that the GOP would trivialize the seriousness of death and the death of so many young Americans by focus grouping death, but the GOP doesn't care if anyone else dies vaping and aren't going to do anything about vaping now.

I mean, it's not as if we're testing out the endings to the new McBain movie..

I mean, these are real people's lives too, and the GOP has trivialized every single one of their deaths by deciding to do nothing about it after finding out their ilk love them some vaping.

We're talking about DISENFRANCHISING SIXTY MILLION AMERICAN VOTERS..

No one stopped you from voting so you weren't disenfranchised in any way. Also, if our Founding Fathers had wanted to limit the time for which a POTUS could be impeached, they could have easily written that into the Constitution when they drafted it.

Logic surely dictates that you would have a problem with disenfranchising 60 million voters..

Your bitch is with the Founding Fathers and your own ignorance wherein you would equate impeachment of a president with not being allowed to vote. Moron.

Mike should allow himself to consider the fact that his bullshit is just generally being ignored by the majority. Whenever anyone provides facts and links, Mike just generally spews back the same basic shit over and over as if permanently stuck on stupid whining about "WaPoop and anonymous sources" ad nauseam rather than acknowledging anyone else is correct... anything to avoid saying we are right!

I know what will happen.. You'll nitpick and obfuscate.. Anything to avoid saying I was right..

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee conducted focus groups in key House battlegrounds in recent weeks, testing messages related to impeachment. Among the questions put to participants was whether ‘quid pro quo,’ ‘extortion’ or ‘bribery’ was a more compelling description of Trump’s conduct.

According to two people familiar with the results, which circulated among Democrats this week, the focus groups found ‘bribery’ to be most damning. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because the results have not been made public.
-WASHINGTON POST
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-calls-trumps-actions-bribery-as-democrats-sharpen-case-for-impeachment/2019/11/14/0ee9a202-0702-11ea-b17d-8b867891d39d_story.html

And now "WaPoop and anonymous sources" is suddenly good enough for Mike when it fits his agenda. Duly noted. *laughs*

NOT a Focus Group..

on this i agree. but there's no rule that says the two can't independently arrive at the same conclusion. to assume otherwise is an ad hominem fallacy.

ok, NOW i HAVE to run.

JL

not that it's at all likely, but if by some chance donald were removed from office for bribery and other crimes, it's not as if hillary clinton or nancy pelosi would then take over as chief executive.

So... Yer saying that, while not perfect, it's OK to arrive at what to say by a Focus Group than to arrive by.. oh.... I dunno..

MAYBE FACTS!!!!

Again, I am just sayin' that FACTS should dictate the charges..

NOT a Focus Group..

And, frankly, I am shocked as shit I have to even SAY it...

OK... Now we're getting somewhere.. :D

focus groups can occasionally arrive at the right answer too.

Again, NOT THE POINT..

If Impeachment is a solemn and sacred duty, does it make ANY kind of sense in trivalizing it with a Focus Group??

I mean, it's not as if we're testing out the endings to the new McBain movie..

We're talking about DISENFRANCHISING SIXTY MILLION AMERICAN VOTERS..

You seem to have a problem with disenfranchising Democrat voters...

Logic surely dictates that you would have a problem with disenfranchising 60 million voters..

I'm just sayin'...

The fact that you "don't believe it for a second" illustrates the bias that you are operating under..

A Focus Group is COMPLETELY consistent with the Democrat Party's hysterical insistence on nullifying a free, fair, legal, democratic and Constitutional election...

Now..

You now know that I was factually accurate..

Can you grace me with the knowledge of how you feel about it??

you asked a hypothetical question, and provided no facts to support its use. if by some chance a focus group WERE used to frame the issue, what would i then hypothetically think about it? i'd probably shrug my shoulders and figure that was a stupid way to make decisions about impeachment. but that wouldn't necessarily invalidate the result. focus groups can occasionally arrive at the right answer too.

JL

SO I figured I would try it this way first..

Oh very well...

I know what will happen.. You'll nitpick and obfuscate.. Anything to avoid saying I was right..

What the hell.. :D

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee conducted focus groups in key House battlegrounds in recent weeks, testing messages related to impeachment. Among the questions put to participants was whether ‘quid pro quo,’ ‘extortion’ or ‘bribery’ was a more compelling description of Trump’s conduct.

According to two people familiar with the results, which circulated among Democrats this week, the focus groups found ‘bribery’ to be most damning. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because the results have not been made public.
-WASHINGTON POST
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-calls-trumps-actions-bribery-as-democrats-sharpen-case-for-impeachment/2019/11/14/0ee9a202-0702-11ea-b17d-8b867891d39d_story.html

Except that BIPARTISAN is the key.. :D

If it's not bi-partisan, it's not legitimate..

So say Democrats.. :D

And you still haven't answered my question.

It seems, whenever I provide facts ya'all clam up or suddenly have something better to do..

SO I figured I would try it this way first..

And yet, they WEREN'T "simple" and "obvious" because Democrats had to CHANGE the "actions" three different times!!!

The Focus Groups told them that Bribery works best...

Focus Groups.. For the "solemn" and "serious" and "sacred" duty...

It is to laugh... :D

Still waiting for you to address the "Focus Group" thing..

Do you agree with it?? Or do you think it cheapens and de-legitimizes the entire impeachment, even more so than it already is...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/09/24/simple-obvious-and-indefensible/

“Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path because it divides the country.”

Basically you are agreeing with me that Pelosi and the Democrats are just throwing a bunch of shit up on the wall and seeing what sticks.. :D

In other words, Focus Grouped..

But that's not what I asked.. Assume for the moment that I am factually accurate.. (I am, but I'll play yer game)..

What would be your response??

a more reasonable explanation would be that bribery is specifically mentioned in the constitution as an impeachable offense,

So why not start with bribery??

Why mess with the bullshit of Quid Pro Quo and Extortion.

Hell, CW did an ENTIRE commentary on QPQ... It's like ya'all's hysteria about 'collusion' and then, when President Trump was completely exonerated on it, then ya'all went "Oh, we really didn't mean 'collusion'.."

Why the PR switch from QPQ to "Bribery"??

But yer still gonna lose.. :D

It truly takes a genuinely special kind of seriously stupid to believe that the guy whose daughter and son-in-law who have been employed in his own administration for nearly three years from 2017 to the present day is suddenly concerned about corruption in government halfway around the world by Joe and Hunter Biden from multiple years ago.

Anyone gullible enough to believe that Donald Trump is all of a sudden concerned about corruption from Obama's administration while his fashion designer daughter and son-in-law who couldn't pass their multiple attempts to obtain a security clearance are working in Trump's own administration need to get busy and crack some books... because it's never too late to educate yourself. :)

In a nearby city named Cuyahoga Falls (referred to by the entire region as "Caucasian Falls") a political tsunami occurred in last week's election:

The Democrats prevailed in eight of the nine City Council races on Tuesday.

The suburbs of Akron, Ohio. Go 'burbs.

The suburbs of Cincinnati were doing some major flipping too and had a quite noticeable effect on the race for Governor of Kentucky.

You have to live around here to appreciate how shocking that is. There were four Dems on the Council - the four incumbent Ds were reelected and four repubs were knocked off.

It's a familiar story playing out from coast to coast. The GOP is losing the 'burbs all over the country... without abatement.

I'll take by your silence that you are perfectly OK with this sacred, serious and solemn duty being decided by Focus Groups...

As long as they are DEMOCRAT Focus Groups...

As I said... The difference between Old Weigantia and New Weigantia is the difference between night and day...

NO WHERE in the past 6 weeks does ANY witness use the word 'bribe' or 'bribery'..

NOT A SINGLE WITNESS used the word..

They are fact witnesses there to testify regarding their knowledge of what they witnessed. Fact witnesses aren't there to make legal judgments, and it's ridiculous on its face that someone who claims to have investigative experience would suggest that a fact witness should make a legal determination. For instance, John Bolton referred to what Trump was doing as a "drug deal," and that word has used a lot by several witnesses.

That word ONLY came about because Dumbocrats FOCUS GROUPED the word 'bribery'....

Wrong. That word came about because the President of the United States withheld taxpayers' funds in order to bribe a foreign government to announce an investigation into his political opponent in exchange for things that are being testified about and written into emails and texts.

Imagine that!! This "solemn" and "serious" proceeding... this "DUTY" that Democrats claim..

MUST BE FOCUS-GROUPED to settle what EXACTLY the charge against the President should be..

I hate to agree with John Bolton, but his description works for me; since those fact witnesses keep using that term "drug deal," that must be what it was. Good thing they didn't call it something else! *laughs*

What I find psychologically fascinating is how voters just accept broken/unfulfilled campaign promises as something that candidate/legislators do.

It's not really so "fascinating" that voters accept a campaign platform wherein a candidate lays out their agenda and then works to achieve it while those who oppose that agenda are working against them to achieve their own agenda.

They say they support a candidate based on the promises, accept when the promises are not delivered and then vote for the candidates/legislators again in the next election based on the same promises.

This is not how democracy is designed to work.

Wrong, Don; that is exactly how democracy is designed to work. The people choose their representatives based on whatever criteria they desire, and the candidates work toward achieving their stated agendas and vow to continue working to achieve those stated goals.

Since it's football season, I'll try to help you connect the dots with the analogy that your New York Giants could be fulfilling all their promises of winning if only those pesky other players on defense weren't on the field stopping them from achieving those goals... yet their supporters keep right on backing the same team.

And rationalizing this practice as just what candidate/legislators and voters do is not how journalism is designed to work.

Journalism is basically free speech, although quite obviously not unlimited. I cannot fathom why anyone would keep whining that a journalist wasn't fulfilling an obligation that doesn't exist. There is no requirement that a journalist promote anyone's ridiculous idea of what constitutes democracy or even that journalists promote any sort of political agenda whatsoever.

You seem blissfully unaware that it isn't a requirement that a journalist even cover political issues or that there are authors that do nothing but cover things like football, and I would wager there aren't too many dipshits out there whining that they're not fulfilling their obligation to shill for their fantasy team.

It's kind of like a broken campaign promise when you claim to present a reality based blog and then consistently publish articles that validate the fantasy.

"It's kind of like" obvious that your incessant bitching and moaning isn't because the author keeps verifying his own personal beliefs on his very own blog -- oh, the horror -- but because he consistently refuses to publish articles that validate your fantasy. :)

And, funny thing.. With such a "target rich" environment..

DUMBOCRATS KEEP MISSING!!!!!

BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But seriously.. You dodged my question..

Are you comfortable with a "solemn" and "sacred" duty as Democrats claim impeachment is...

Are you comfortable with that solemn and sacred duty being decided by focus groups.. Being decided by MARKETING???

I mean, as long as it gets rid of President Trump, right??

well, in a presidency so target-rich with violations of the public trust, it must truly be hard to pick just one or five.

JL

As opposed to the narrative changing from Quid Pro Quo to extortion then to bribery.. SOLELY based on a FRAKIN' FOCUS GROUP!!???

If yer Dumbocrats change the narrative, isn't it ONLY logical and rational that the COUNTER-narrative changes along with it??

Com'on, JL.. I expect better from you of all people..

Funny how, in more than 35,000 pages of witness testimony, the ONLY ONE TIME that "bribery" is mentioned is when the witness was talking about VP Biden's actions..

And you really think Dumbocrats can make Bribery stick??

Of course not..

Looks like Dumbocrats will have to organize a new focus group, eh!?? :smirk: :D

Regardless of the RIDICULOUSNESS of having an impeachment by Focus Group, the simple fact is this:

"Democrats desperation to impeach is directly and inversely proportional to their confidence that they can beat President Trump at the ballot box."
-Weigantian Wisdom

"Impeachment can be legitimate if and only if it emanates from a bipartisan conviction that the president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors – when people of opposing viewpoints can come together in agreement over the seriousness of the offense and the appropriateness of the sanction."
-Joe Biden, 1998

“Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path because it divides the country.”
-Nancy Pelosi, Mar 2019

“If the evidence isn’t sufficient to win bipartisan support for this, putting the country through a failed impeachment isn’t a good idea.”
-Adam Schiff

By Democrats' OWN WORDS...

This impeachment is not legitimate...

I don't want Liz jumping 10-8 in my shit.. :D

"Democrats desperation to impeach is directly and inversely proportional to their confidence that they can beat President Trump at the ballot box."
-Weigantian Wisdom

"Impeachment can be legitimate if and only if it emanates from a bipartisan conviction that the president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors – when people of opposing viewpoints can come together in agreement over the seriousness of the offense and the appropriateness of the sanction."
-Joe Biden, 1998

“Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path because it divides the country.”
-Nancy Pelosi, Mar 2019

“If the evidence isn’t sufficient to win bipartisan support for this, putting the country through a failed impeachment isn’t a good idea.”
-Adam Schiff

By Democrats' OWN WORDS...

This impeachment is not legitimate...

No, NOW the narrative is that NO ONE has testified that bribery occurred, except as it relates to then VP Biden..

I mean, com'on, Joshua!??

You are defending a FOCUS-GROUP'ed impeachment??

"Let's spin the wheel and see which charge is best against President Trump!!!"

You are fine with such a PR-driven impeachment!??

As I said..

A far far FAR cry from what Weigantia USED to be like..

In a nearby city named Cuyahoga Falls (referred to by the entire region as "Caucasian Falls") a political tsunami occurred in last week's election:

The Democrats prevailed in eight of the nine City Council races on Tuesday.

You have to live around here to appreciate how shocking that is. There were four Dems on the Council - the four incumbent Ds were reelected and four repubs were knocked off.

Cuyahoga Falls is reliably red.

https://www.mytownneo.com/news/20191105/democrats-prevail-in-eight-of-nine-cuyahoga-falls-city-council-races?fbclid=IwAR0liEGZNZZ280W58p0QQlOwW78WNlJD2BW1MiBgPS63Z65QO2ozUCNGNXQ

NO WHERE in the past 6 weeks does ANY witness use the word 'bribe' or 'bribery'..

NOT A SINGLE WITNESS used the word..

That word ONLY came about because Dumbocrats FOCUS GROUPED the word 'bribery'....

Imagine that!! This "solemn" and "serious" proceeding... this "DUTY" that Democrats claim..

MUST BE FOCUS-GROUPED to settle what EXACTLY the charge against the President should be..

How utterly pathetic..

Question...

Do you think any of the candidates can pivot back to the center, considering how far Left they have gone??

What would such a pivot look like??

Every candidate has stated they are for open/decriminalized borders and Free Full Healthcare to illegal immigrant criminals.

How can you pivot from that and appeal to Independents and NPAs while not losing your base??

There is a reason for that.. :D

such as Donald Trump not losing any support over the many campaign promises he has flip-flopped on.

Or Odumbo also flip-flopping on many campaign promises and didn't lose any support.

Remember.. REALITY based.. :D

Great analysis, CW..

It's funny how your commentaries that don't hysterically berate and attack President Trump are pretty much ignored by rank and file Weigantians..

I find the psychology fascinating.. :D