Anyway, here goes:

LizM [1] -

I, too, have increased my respect for Pelosi through this process.

Paula [3] -

That would be nice, but I don't think for a minute Trump's going to end his stonewalling because of this vote...

LizM [4] -

Right. There's not a lot of detail in the Constitution in general, and none on this subject.

Paula [5] -

Ay, that's the rub -- what will the courts say? Back in Nixon's time, that's why we got the tapes...

Kick [7] -

Excellent points, all. Nice excerpt, too! Just had to say that...

Kick [8] -

MAN, did you call that one right:

I'm guessing the right-wingnut propaganda machine will smear this patriot based on the fact that he's an immigrant from Ukraine. Cue the wingnut conspiracy theory dipshits in smearing a decorated American patriot in service to America for simply reporting the facts and his unwillingness to lie for the president wherein he heard every word of the phone call.

That's exactly what happened. I live in shame that my CA tax dollars still go to pay John Yoo's salary, personally...

ListenWhenYouHear [10] -

Were your questions answered by today's release of the House Resolution?

Michale [11] -

BWAH Hah hah hah! Whatever allows you to sleep at night, dude...

Heh.

[13] -

You mean the House MAJORITY, that the American people elected, in total rejection of the Republican nonsense? That House?

Heh.

[14] -

After that, it's likely that Pelosi will simply drop this faux impeachment coup..

Oh, stop it dude, you're killing me.. seriously, do you really believe this stuff?

BWAH Hah hah hah!

As for SCOTUS, don't be too sure which way John Roberts will vote. He takes the long view about the court with his name on it, please remember...

[16] -

OK, dude, 1,000 Quatloos say the Dems will win this vote without even breathing hard... whaddya say?

Heh

nypoet22 [18] -

Exactly.

Michale [20] -

A "HUGE wave of approval"? You mean he might actually approach a 50 percent rating in the polls (non-Rasmussen polls, of course)? I'd put 500 Quatloos on that not happening, as well...

Michale [26] -

Might want to check what Trump had to say about Obama getting Osama back then, because it is pretty amusing now that he's claiming all the credit (and more) for the recent raid...

Heh.

Michale [31] -

OK, seriously, hope you are healthy and live a long time. If you didn't exist, I'd have to invent you as a sock puppet!

:-)

Seriously, though, hope you're doing well. Maybe they can offer you some electroshock to improve your mental reasoning while you're there?

Heh. Just kidding.

TheStig [42] -

Read that, and it was indeed interesting. Especially the bits about how impeachment has morphed over the years...

Michale [43] -

Except she didn't! Read today's article for further commentary...

Michale [52] -

Maybe not. McConnell hasn't scheduled a vote on it, to date. Maybe the chamber that is afraid of losing a crucial vote isn't the House? Just sayin'...

Michale [59] -

Um, yeah, like the GOP gov of FL is responsible for all hurricanes? Sheesh...

Balthasar [65] -

EXCELLENT post. Just had to say that.

OK, from about comment [75] on, the House Resolution was released, so I'm going to defer to my own article today on that one. Also, I've got Jack O'Lantern photos to process, and it's already past 2:00 in the morning...

More later...

-CW

Great post! :)

Come talk to me when we can see some SWORN testimony for ourselves..

At the beginning of a deposition, the witness is sworn in and then their statement is proffered and usually marked as an Exhibit and thereby sworn to. Pretty standard stuff, actually. So anyone who has already testified has sworn to their statements and it is indeed "SWORN testimony."

Until then, it's nothing but hearsay...

"Hearsay" is the report of another person's words by a witness. Statements are witnesses own words... so you got it exactly "bass ackwards." <-- technical term

Until Democrats hold an AOI vote the courts will always ultimately side with President Trump.

You might want to check your dictionary for the definition of the word "always" since your statement there was already proven false last Friday when Trump lost in spectacular fashion.

I could explain how "executive privilege" works if I thought it would do any good so I'll refrain from doing that. :)

Can you give me a link to support your claim that there were already 3 votes to impeach Trump and Pelosi lost them?

No, he can't. :)

This will be the 4th time that the House has voted on impeachment for President Trump..

Not really. All the other votes were motions to table, meaning postpone any action whatsoever. You see, Mike, it's exactly like several other posters on this forum have explained to you that the vast majority of Democrats did not want to even consider articles of impeachment at the time they were raised since they were attempting to investigate said issue.

It's not complicated, Mike. The issue of impeachment has been successfully tabled on three separate occasions... with the help of Democrats. If you're expecting a similar outcome as that this time, well then, I've got really bad news for you. :)

Thanks! Will definitely read that article on impeachment.

Or maybe impeachment is more like bovine stomachs...lots of chambers, churning, and noises which are somehow expected to preserve the cow.

Eewwwwwwwwwwww. ;)

Why did she hold the previous vote on impeachment??? She lost that one too..

You're obviously misinformed and seem quite intent to prattle on and on about something you clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about. There have been no direct votes whatsoever on impeachment of Trump because all the attempts have been tabled.

On July 17, 2019, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy moved to table Al Green's resolution and third attempt at consideration of articles of impeachment. Do you need the very simple concept of tabling explained to you too? It was Green's third attempt to bring a motion to the floor and a third vote to successfully table, meaning the House of Representatives postponed/suspended consideration on Green's pending motion.

On his prior two attempts when the GOP held the majority -- you know, before your frequently spewed prediction of a Red Tsunami failed to materialize in spectacular fashion -- then House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy moved to table Green's resolutions... thus postponing/suspending consideration of articles of impeachment by the House:

* January 18, 2018
* December 6, 2017

You seem blissfully unaware that Green has been unsuccessful in getting his motion onto the floor and the fact that all three have been tabled and thus postponed... very different from your oft repeated mischaracterizations and not at all how they likely described it in right-wingnut propaganda media, I'm sure, but those are the facts.

It's easy to see why Pelosi went this route.. She is losing the PR battle and she is desperate to arrest the downward slide..

"Simple logic"
-Admiral James T. Kirk

*laughs* Your attempts at logic are nothing if not simple.

There are at least 30 Democrats who will lose their jobs if they vote to impeach President Trump..

*laughs* There are quite a few Republicans who are quitting their jobs, and I need to update my running list since another Republican has indeed bitten the dust... and Tulsi Gabbard, of course.

This vote will fail..

The words "snowball," "chance," and "Hell" come to mind, and JL is correct that a few Republicans might even vote in favor.

But Liz and I have agreed that 20 is the magic number to represent true bipartisanship..

That's a good number for two decades ago... but in today's environment? Nope! More like three to five.

The Democrats will lose this vote..

*laughs* When pigs fly.

Just like they lost all the others before it..

You're comparing apples with cherries since all the prior votes were motions by Kevin McCarthy to postpone consideration... a whole different kind of pie. JL is correct about this; you could really learn a thing or two from him. :)

It's ***ALL*** nothing but hearsay...

Keep telling yourself that...it will make this process all the quicker to get rid of Been-a-dick Donald.

Trump has confessed to it. Mulvaney told the world that that is how this administration rolls...and that we just need to GET OVER IT!

Please don't get me wrong about my stance on America - my very long-standing position is that I remain a firm believer in the promise of America and I agree with Biden when he says that America can do anything it puts its mind to so long as Americans work together to achieve it.

However, the trajectory that America has been on for quite some time now is not positive. Of course, much less can be said for the American media. If you want a realistic take on the world at large, including the US, watch and listen to the BBC.

Nice stance you got there, EM, and don't you allow any prat to tell you otherwise. Also: You're totally correct about the BBC. :)

I agree with everything you say.. Just a minor correction..

"However, the trajectory that America has been on for quite some time now is not, in my opinion, positive."

What part of her statement "my stance" in the first paragraph was confusing at all?

If one cannot acknowledge that other people's opinions might be 100% opposite of theirs and STILL be valid, then I would say that said one is missing the ENTIRE concept of what America is really all about..

Or, speaking of one missing the "ENTIRE concept," if one has terminal issues with reading comprehension and frequently and demonstrably cannot understand simple written English words like "my" and "stance" that were combined quite nicely in another one's comment to form the idea of "my stance," which Elizabeth had indeed already made abundantly clear in her comment in which you took issue, then perhaps the other one should cease and desist in the dispensing of post-writing advice and/or platitudes.

Delivered with the utmost respect and affection..

Sincerely, Mike's well-meaning yet illiterate one brain cell. *laughs*
_____

So to recap: What part of EM's phrase "my stance" was confusing at all? Rhetorical question. :)

Somehow, someway your country is going to have to get past all of that - the rest of us civilized people out in the world are counting on it ...

It was lovely.

Also Rachel Maddow's last round of ratings have beaten the crap out of FOX.

Fuck 'em.

See ya'all in the morning, bright and early... :D

Biden's new PAC is being run by a registered foreign agent for Azerbaijan.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/29/the-head-of-joe-bidens-new-super-pac-is-a-foreign-government-agent/

Apparently, Democrats don't MIND if foreigners assist DEMOCRATS in winning elections.. :D

My point is that if they were truly attempting to protect Trump, they’d have to attack the facts of the charges he will face.

Dumbocrats DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS to attack..

It's ***ALL*** nothing but hearsay...

You don't have a SINGLE FACT....

That's what makes this entire procedure so LAUGHABLE...

There are **NO FACTS** to support ANYTHING Dumbocrats are saying..

Well, hell. At least ya'all are honest about it.. :D

Biden has been in the game long enough to know you don't make rock solid pronouncements that you KNOW will come back and bite ya on the ass..

That's why, when he skirted the line a couple times, it was very surprising..

Put another way..

ANY candidate who promised to give crimmigrants (illegal immigrant criminals) free and full health care.... WILL NOT BE ELECTED POTUS...

ANY candidate who promised to take away MILLIONS of Americans' health care plans that they like.... WILL NOT BE ELECTED POTUS

ANY candidate who promised to end fossil fuel use and end fracking.... WILL NOT BE ELECTED POTUS...

ANY candidate who promised to allow post-birth abortions.... WILL NOT BE ELECTED POTUS...

ANY candidate who promised to give reparations to black Americans.... WILL NOT BE ELECTED POTUS....

Plus several others I can't think of at the moment..

Looking down that list, there is only ONE candidate who POSSIBLY fits that bill that ACTUALLY has a shot at the nomination..

And that's Joe Biden...

The **ONLY** question???

Are Democrats SMART and give Biden a shot???

Or are Democrats STOOPID and give Warren the shot??

Considering the actions of Democrats to date???

STOOPID will win the day...

}}}}Sans an catastrophic event, President Trump is going to be re-elected regardless of who the Dem nominee is..{{{{{

In your opinion, you mean ...

Absolutely.... See?? I am the ONLY one here who has NO PROBLEM admitting that..

The fact that it is ALSO the opinion of the majority of Weigantians who have expressed such an opinion is simply icing on the cake.. :D

Yea??

And your facts to support your claim??

{{cccchhhhiiiirrrrrpppppp}}

Yea, that's what I thought..

They were musing about Democratic voters making a bargain with the incumbent Republican office holders who fear the wrath of Trump (no profiles in courage here!) - if they vote for impeachment/removal, then Democrats will vote for them in the next election ...

Actually, he did no such thing! Nice try at spinning the truth. Kupperman’s suit asks the judiciary to tell him which side he is supposed to obey: the executive ordering him not to testify or the legislative subpoenaing him to testify. The courts have already ruled that the executive’s argument is complete bunk, so the outcome of this is a given!

Since this information is available to Kupperman, he might consider dropping his lawsuit and arranging a time to give his testimony before he faces criminal charges.

Just look at their “attempts” to defend Trump: they are performances for one person and do not actually help Trump’s case in any way! They staged a sit in that lasted a few hours and didn’t stop the testimony from occurring, it merely knocked it back 5 hours.

Then you have Lindsey Graham’s Senate rebuke of the impeachment hearings, which if passed does....absolutely nothing!

My point is that if they were truly attempting to protect Trump, they’d have to attack the facts of the charges he will face. While it seems logical to say that they cannot attack them because they are so clearly damning...this is politics we are discussing — since when does “logic” rule the day?!?

No, Republicans are trying to distract the media right now, but that isn’t preventing the committees from doing their jobs in gathering evidence! That isn’t actually helping Trump, it is just keeping him happy and distracted.

I think that the Republicans cannot wait for Trump’s trial in the Senate to begin, and that we will see them flip on Trump in masse once the Articles of Impeachment are formalized and passed. Senate Republicans will need to stand together in this decision if they want to convince their base that it truly was the right thing to do for this nation in order to avoid their base turning on them.

And I can just imagine when it is Lindsey Graham’s turn to cast his vote, the biggest smile you’ve ever seen on his face, saying:

“In honor of my dear friend, Senator John McCain, I vote to impeach and remove Donald J. Trump from office!”

In your opinion, you mean ...

No reason..

Facts are facts..

Anyone but Biden have already disqualified themselves by their statements at the Dem debates...

Biden is the only one who would be allowed some wiggle room.. And he is the only one capable of wiggling effectively..

Sans an catastrophic event, President Trump is going to be re-elected regardless of who the Dem nominee is..

But I WILL give you that Biden has the best chance to beat President Trump...

Warren??? Buttigeg??? Sanders???

President Trump will eat them for breakfast without breaking a sweat...

But it's still early Liz, a practical lifetime in political terms.

I'd hold my fire if I were you. Just sayin'...

Of course, we Biden followers know that there is nothing new here, except for the fact that it is happening with Biden as the frontrunner since he announced in April.

I fear something is afoot.

I will make a prediction now, if I haven't already:

If Biden is not the Democratic nominee, Trump will be re-elected.

I do! I do! Dr. Who on the telly, and "The Food Chain" late at night on the radio.

Ignore the unpositive. It will dissipate!

Short summary: Release the Kraken....

I think most of here have the requisite critical thinking skills to discern opinions that are reality-based from those that are not.

As this is an opinion blog, please don't ask me to tap out any more than I have to, okay?

And if anyone has a problem with this, then my first follow-up question will be..

"Why are Democrats afraid of a FAIR fight??"

I agree with everything you say.. Just a minor correction..

However, the trajectory that America has been on for quite some time now is not positive.

That should read:

"However, the trajectory that America has been on for quite some time now is not, in my opinion, positive."

If one cannot acknowledge that other people's opinions might be 100% opposite of theirs and STILL be valid, then I would say that said one is missing the ENTIRE concept of what America is really all about..

Delivered with the utmost respect and affection..

Please don't get me wrong about my stance on America - my very long-standing position is that I remain a firm believer in the promise of America and I agree with Biden when he says that America can do anything it puts its mind to so long as Americans work together to achieve it.

However, the trajectory that America has been on for quite some time now is not positive. Of course, much less can be said for the American media. If you want a realistic take on the world at large, including the US, watch and listen to the BBC.

Fair enough..

Then the CHAIRMAN must also Any such request shall be accompanied by a detailed written justification of the relevance of the testimony of each requested witness to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution.

What's fair for the GOP should also apply to the Democrats..

If that doesn't happen, then no dice..

This is not a legitimate impeachment..

In the alternative, someone who is NOT a Party slave??? :D

To be more specific...

Are THESE rules:

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

These rules:

The House Democrats have a clear model of a fair, systematic bipartisan approach in the rules adopted by the Democrats in 1973 and by the Republicans in 1998. Former Democratic Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee Peter Rodino of New Jersey developed a bipartisan set of rules in 1973 during the Nixon impeachment proceedings. Rodino’s rules allowed the White House Counsel to be present at all hearings – including those held in secret. They also allowed the Republican minority to offer subpoenas to bring in the witnesses they wanted in addition to the witnesses the Democrats wanted.

To allow for full evaluation of minority witness requests, the ranking minority member may submit to the chair, in writing, any requests for witness testimony relevant to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution within 72 hours after notice is given for the first hearing designated pursuant to paragraph (1). Any such request shall be accompanied by a detailed written justification of the relevance of the testimony of each requested witness to the investigation described in the first section of this resolution.

Can I get someone UNBIASED to translate this legalistic gobbeldy gok for me???

In the alternative, someone who is NOT a Party slave??? :D

And THAT comes from the OFFICIAL Weigantian Poll... Not some rinky dink cherry picked poll.. :D

I mean, if you WANT to talk about polls... :D

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

yes that's a logical fallacy, but it's not meaningless.

Neither are my logical "fallacies" of similar nature..

Yet, I don't get a break on those, eh?? :D

If they are logical fallacies, then they are ALWAYS logical fallacies..

And if they are "not meaningless" for the Left, then they are NOT MEANINGLESS for those that oppose the Left..

Yes or no??

I know where this is going.. :D

OK, I'll rephrase..

i don't see pelosi losing this vote.

In YOUR opinion..

"Equal perversion means NO perversion"
-Commander Riker

In other words, you don't see any bias because the majority of the MSM is as biased as you are.

Not to mention hateful, hurtful and bigoted...

So, you should see my point..

Your claims against FoxNews are 1000% accurate when applied to the rest of the MSM...

But YOU don't see it because THEIR bias is YOUR bias...

Actually, yeah, I did, even though he lost the popular vote by a little over five million votes.

In other words, you spin'ed the result with a totally inconsequential and totally irrelevant factoid to make the result more comfortable for you.

In short, you NEVER accepted President Trump's win in the election..

Am I happy about it? No. Do I think it could happen for a second time? No.

And the **FACT** that you have been WRONG in ***EVERY*** prediction you have ever made doesn't concern you in the least.. Right??

As I said.. TOTAL delusion...

In YOUR opinion..

no, the 37 seat advantage is a fact. public opinion is now in favor of the impeachment inquiry. to the extent that polls are factual, that's also fact. as for the facts and the law, yes those are opinions, which are shared by CW as well as most non-partisan experts. yes that's a logical fallacy, but it's not meaningless.

Of course you don't find that a problem because you are too..

So you don't consider Fox News, or your other right wing rags to be a part of the press?

That's interesting. What do you consider them to be?

Yea??? Did you do so when the American people ELECTED President Trump??

Actually, yeah, I did, even though he lost the popular vote by a little over five million votes.

Am I happy about it? No. Do I think it could happen for a second time? No. Even Bannon admitted that the campaign "drew to an inside straight" to win the last one, and Wild Bill Cody couldn't do that twice in a row.

You see the opposite and you find that surprising??

HA

The Press: is free.

And totally biased against the freely, fairly, legally, democratically and Constitutionally elected President of the United States..

Of course you don't find that a problem because you are too..

But I'll put my faith in the American people.

Yea??? Did you do so when the American people ELECTED President Trump??

Of course not.. You never accepted the will of the American people..

Why should you start now??

Actually, I've surprisingly seen the exact opposite. You know, there were times when I thought that we were headed down the road to fascism. But then America's institutions weighed in, and I knew that we would be all right.

What institutions?

The Press: is free. Ask Trump.

The Military: non-partisan, which is remarkable. Apparently 200 years of practice makes perfect.

Congress: partisan, and free-wheeling, as it should be. We forget that the founders kept the congress political for a reason. This is where the cacophony of the people (and the lobbyists and money, money, money) is heard and sometimes heeded.

The Court: even with McConnell's fascination, at best he can affect about 10% of the courts in this country. As for the SCOTUS, Trump's made two appointments, only one of which, I assert, is a certain Trumpster. Little hope that they'll burn the country down for him.

The Executive: this is ground zero. Trump's been making a game of dismantling the whole thing, but there are institutional blocks that make the entire enterprise very slow. The "Deep State" still has millions of civil service employees, all anxious to keep their jobs. So Trump can fiddle with the top managers, sure, and can order the military to war, but he can't stop social security or medicaid. One thing we can appreciate: Trump's reliance on inexperienced and feckless managers makes the dismantlement of these departments that much harder.

So no, we haven't devolved, not by a long shot. The premise that Trump can order the firing of nuclear missiles still worries me. The messes he creates both here and overseas worries me.

But I'll put my faith in the American people. If they think that Trump is their guy, they'll vote for him. But I think they won't. There's only so much fun in putting a troll in charge.

Why, yes... Yes I am...

I am projecting FACTS... :D

Come talk to me when we can see some SWORN testimony for ourselves..

Until then, it's nothing but hearsay...

to some extent michale is probably right about the legal reason, though.

Yes I am..

A vote loss or no vote at all will insure that this Obama judge's ruling will be reversed on appeal..

Pelosi and Schiff-head know that, without a full House vote on Articles Of Impeachment.. Not a PROCEDURE vote, but a vote on the Articles themselves..

Executive Privilege will ALWAYS trump a House fishing expedition...

Until Democrats hold an AOI vote the courts will always ultimately side with President Trump

It is apparent that you may be projecting, Michale.

A statement is not sworn testimony.. Anyone can say anything in a press release..

Why won't Democrats let all Americans see the sworn testimony??

What are Democrats afraid of???

Not having any facts.. THAT is what Democrats are afraid of..

Ahhhh the wonders and competence of Democrat governance...

:smirk:

This will be the 4th time that the House has voted on impeachment for President Trump..

All the times before, it failed..

And it will fail again..

Do you have an opinion about the guy who is testifying as we tap this out?

No.. It's being done in secret so NO ONE can have an unbiased informed opinion on the guy..

Do you have an opinion about the guy who is testifying as we tap this out?

What are you talking about?

THESE are the House Rules for impeachment.. They were created and implemented by a DEMOCRAT..

These are the same rules that the GOP followed in the Clinton impeachment..

If Pelosi and the House Democrats don't follow these rules then the impeachment is nothing but a scam..

An illegitimate coup...

And will get no support from the White House or the US Senate..

It's THAT simple..

I am sure Democrats didn't see losing the first 3 votes either... :D

But THIS time... THIS time it's going to work?

Is that the story??? :D

Senator Lindsey Graham has created a new reality for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

calls on the House of Representatives to provide members of the minority with the ability to participate fully in all proceedings and have equal authority to issue subpoenas and other compulsory process.”
Faced with this new reality, Speaker Pelosi suddenly ended months of avoiding a vote on the impeachment process and announced today that the House would vote this week.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/pelosi-announces-trump-impeachment-inquiry-vote-heres-what-i-am-on-the-lookout-for-now

This is a SUREFIRE resolution that will pass the Senate..

Treat President Trump fairly.. Give him access to ALL witnesses and ALL evidence and all the President to call witnesses..

If the House doesn't do this, then impeachment is DOA...

It's THAT simple... :D

None of that makes any sense to me. Though, granted, I don't read most of them, anymore. :(

It's a natural reaction to facts that upset one's world view..

Don't sweat it.. :D

i don't see pelosi losing this vote. the democrats have a 37 seat advantage in the house, and the law, the facts and public opinion are currently all on her side.

In YOUR opinion..

None of that makes any sense to me. Though, granted, I don't read most of them, anymore. :(

That was an interesting read … I mean your clear summary of the piece.

With all of the noise and analysis of Trump and his behavior and all that surrounds the impeachment inquiry, there really hasn't been a lot of enlightenment about the way forward here amongst the players in the WH, Congress and the media, not surprisingly.

This impeachment process, which the president has solely brought upon himself, has highlighted the devolution of American political and media culture.

I'm guessing the right-wingnut propaganda machine will smear this patriot based on the fact that he's an immigrant from Ukraine. Cue the wingnut conspiracy theory dipshits in smearing a decorated American patriot in service to America for simply reporting the facts and his unwillingness to lie for the president wherein he heard every word of the phone call.

Yep - naturally the effort at character assassination commenced immediately.

As NYMag sees it, Impeachment is an ancient relic of 14th century English of Law that by the 18th century was mostly obsolete and unnecessary in the Mother Country. The framers of US Constitution revived it for their own political cross purposes.

NYM - "The US Senate has held only eighteen impeachment trials in two hundred and thirty years and only twice for a President. Because impeachment happens so infrequently, it's hard to draw conclusions about what it does, or even how it works, and on each occasion, people spend a lot of time fighting over the meaning of the words and the nature of the crimes. Each impeachment is a political experiment."

To me it's all sort of like an old Frankenstein movie....It's Alive, it's Alive! and careening about.

Or maybe impeachment is more like bovine stomachs...lots of chambers, churning, and noises which are somehow expected to preserve the cow.

Now the Democrats will have to put up or shut up.

And it's going to end very very VERY badly for Democrats... :D

You heard it here first.. :D

Before Pelosi’s announcement on Monday, Adam Schiff, the House intelligence-committee chairman who is overseeing the secret hearings, gave up on calling witnesses who have firsthand knowledge of Trump’s ­negotiations with the Ukrainian president.

“We are not willing to allow the White House to engage us in a lengthy game of rope-a-dope with the courts,” Schiff said. Translation: Democrats don’t think they would win in the highest court.

So, now you see the reason why Pelosi caved to President Trump's demands.

She was checkmated.. She KNOWS that the SCOTUS will rule in President Trump's favor on EVERYTHING until she has a House Vote under her belt.. She won't get the unredacted mueller report, she won't get ANY subpoenas, she won't get JACK without that House Vote..

So, Pelosi gave in.. She was forced to dance to President Trump's tune...

THAT is why Pelosi scheduled a vote she knows she very likely will lose..

Just as the 3 votes before this were lost..

Politico called the testimony of Bill Taylor, the acting envoy to Kiev, “explosive” — though Taylor’s prepared statement merely ­regurgitated what other State ­Department bureaucrats had told him. His source was the rumor mill. It’s called hearsay.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/28/calling-pelosi-and-schiffs-bluff/

Now lets see how the Dims do with everything out in the open..

Assuming of course, that the Democrats actually follow thru with their pledges...

Bring it on.
https://www.wnd.com/2019/10/trump-facing-violent-60s-style-revolt/

The Left will definitely not win the coming civil war...

That's assured..

I completely agree with you..

Victoria is definitely on something with those Mueller materials.. :D

Common ground is such a wonderful thing.. :D

With fewer than 100 days until the Feb. 3 caucuses, Biden is failing to spend the time with small groups of voters and party officials that Iowans expect and his campaign’s outreach has been largely ineffective, according to 11 senior Democrats in the state. They worry that could send Biden to a crippling loss behind Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg, who have highly organized campaigns in Iowa, said the Democrats, most of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to speak candidly about the campaign.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-danger-humiliating-loss-iowa-080000058.html

Who could have possibly predicted Biden's demise...

Oh... Wait... :D

I think you are on to something with the Mueller Materials.

Durham's probe has just turned into a CRIMINAL probe...

The deck is stacked so much AGAINST Democrats...

Pelosi is desperate to change the narrative..

That is why she is risking a vote she HAS to know she will, in all likelyhood, lose..

That's why I am betting that Pelosi cancels the vote.

Thanx..

"Proof that Tony Stark DOES have a heart"
-IRON MAN

:D

I am going in for a heart stress test this morning.. So ya'all will get a break from me for a couple hours...

Or even longer if it doesn't go well.. heh...

I can hear some of ya'all praying already.. :D hehehehehe

And you can bet that, for every 1 holdout identified, there are 4 who are NOT identified..

If Pelosi actually HAS the vote...

Democrats will lose...

Again, it's really THAT simple..

Particularly amid an impeachment debate that has polarized the country, the former lawmakers think a juiced-up Trump turnout will lift them past their Democratic opponents and potentially help Republicans win back the House.

And, with Dumbocrats stoopid enough to push impeachment..

It will be a very VERY juiced-up Trump turnout... :D

Democrats are going to get shellacked... AGAIN!!!! :D

Former GOP lawmakers think having Trump up for reelection is their ticket back to the House, particularly during the polarizing impeachment debate.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/27/ousted-house-republicans-2020-rematch-056784

This is why Democrats will lose this 4th impeachment vote...

Because they Dims who won in those Trump areas KNOW that the GOP'ers they defeated are just licking their chops in anticipation of using that Dims' vote for impeachment so the GOP'er can win back their seat...

Those Demcorats are NOT going to risk losing their jobs for a Trump/America hating cause..

If Pelosi goes thru with the vote, the Democrats will lose..

It's THAT simple...

"You do not celebrate death -- I don't care if it's a terrorist, I don't care if it's someone you hate -- a human being has died, we do not celebrate that," Mudd said.

Mudd (what an appropriate name) did not complete his sentence..

"You do not celebrate death -- I don't care if it's a terrorist, I don't care if it's someone you hate -- a human being has died, we do not celebrate that, UNLESS IT'S A REALLY BAD TERRORIST AND IT WAS A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT WHO TOOK HIM OUT"

There...

Now you know..... The Rest Of The Story

Trump/America haters make me sick...

I STILL have my OBAMA GOT OSAMA tank top... :D

"I was in New York City that night. There was widespread jubilation throughout New York, throughout Washington, throughout America. This was a unified response from a country jubilant at seeing the end of the grisly demise of the leader of Al Qaeda. Compare and contrast the reaction yesterday -- to the demise of Baghdadi."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/piers-morgan-al-baghdadi-killed-trump-critics-world-series

Ahh Mr Morgan... You don't realize..

These Trump/America haters HAVE no shame....

EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is legitimate... No action too low or too depraved..

As long as it's directed at the RIGHT people.. :^/