Nailed it, Russ!

Mike is just repeating the right-wing talking points like the gullible rube/useful idiot he is. The spineless GOP can't defend Trump's abuse of power so they're going to whine incessantly about the impeachment process that the Constitution makes clear belongs exclusively to the House of Representatives. If he's impeached in the House (he will be), the trial in the Senate follows wherein Trump is allowed to present a defense.

Trump's only defense as I see it is to call everyone else a liar because he's guilty of what they'll impeach him over: Abuse of Power.

It's not rocket science. :)

Go thru an Academy.. Put on the uniform and pin on a badge..

You're not just a fool, Mike; you're a lying fool, but like you said... you obviously don't know the facts.

Ya'all's ignorance is offensive.. Especially when ya'all choose to wallow in it by making lame and ignorant proclamations..

The police officer didn't identify himself, and you're obviously ignorant of Texas rules and, of course, just demonstrably ignorant in general. This officer effed up. Full stop.

If you want to claim that there is institutionalized racism today, you MUST acknowledge which Party started it..

Let me amend that to say

No race of people have been "traditionally oppressed" in this country in over 60 years...

No, there is not ANY concrete solid FACT to support your claim..

here's one of the MANY analyses of hard data that establish racial bias exists in the present day:

It's cherry picked data that is spin'ed to produce a pre-determined conclusion..

In the here and now, you cannot point to a SINGLE case of institutionalized racism save Affirmative Action..

I'll say it again and it's completely factual..

No one has been "traditionally oppressed" in this country in over 60 years...

Before I even watch the debate, I feel I must reiterate that a good debate performance does not a good president make.

Am now writing a "snap reactions to the debate" column, should be up in an hour or so...

-CW

In the US, there are only 5 members of the Atlantian race living here. They are five brothers whose mother gave birth to them when she was touring with Sea World, and they chose to stay here when Mom went back to Atlantis. The brothers get together every year for a big dinner. The youngest of the brothers has a temper, especially when he drinks, and one year he gets so drunk and angry he grabs a knife and starts trying to stab his brothers. Lucky for the other 4, a police officer was responding to a call from the neighbors who heard the fighting. The officer was forced to shoot the youngest Atlantian to prevent him from stabbing the other four, and they were grateful he had saved their lives.

Now can you imagine the headlines: 1 in 5 Atlantians killed by police. The story doesn’t clarify what the total population is, it doesn’t explain any of the factors that led to the police shooting, it doesn’t mention how the other members of the family are grateful for the police officer saving them.

This example is a ridiculous comparison, I admit it! But the only reason it is ridiculous is because we know all the important details. If you did not know them, and just heard that 1 in 5 are killed by police every year, that stat is going to cause you to believe the police must be trying to kill this race.

My point is that statistics, alone, do not tell us the actual story.

the impeachment inquiry happens prior to the drafting of articles of impeachment, much less representatives voting on them. but just like a criminal investigation is part of the process of prosecuting a crime, an impeachment inquiry is part of impeaching a president. technically donald isn't being impeached yet, but the process has begun, and is constitutionally mandated. i agree with the article you cited that donald's removal by conviction in the senate is most definitely not nancy pelosi's endgame.

if you read closely, the WP author makes the case that systemic racism in law enforcement is generally not the fault of any individual officers involved, but the system in which they operate, much of which was initially set up during the jim crow era, for the explicit purpose of racial discrimination. although the officers have changed, in many cases the systems in which they work have not changed, or at least have not changed sufficiently.

JL

I think it is terrible that our society takes this event that is already devastating for all parties involved, and attempt to turn it into a battle cry for an issue that has not been determined to have actually played any part in this shooting.

I read that the officer resigned after the shooting. If this is true, it is more likely that the shooting was determined NOT to have been a justifiable use of deadly force.

Until more details of the investigation are released, we won’t know any details that are not already known. I hate video being released without knowing all the facts...(And I am using the legal definition of “facts”, not Michale’s FACTS that he openly admits are not based in truth...”they are better than the truth”)

I do want to challenge people here to not just accept the media’s claims that for police in this country, race plays a major factor in determining whether deadly force is justified and appropriate.

Despite what the media attempts to portray, police in this country are extremely well trained in determining when the use of deadly force is justified. They run through countless training scenarios to determine that they have a good grasp of the legal criteria that must be met for them to use deadly force before they are ever allowed on the streets to interact with the public. And this training continues throughout their career in law enforcement — it is TOO IMPORTANT for it not to continue!

The best indication as to whether an officer involved in a shooting was justified to use deadly force is 1) if they face criminal charges and 2) what the jury verdict is when there is a trial. Most officer involved shootings are determined to be “justified”. Again, this is due to the fact that officers are so well trained in when they are authorized to use deadly force.

That being said...we should never forget that officers are human beings — thus they make mistakes occasionally. When they make mistakes, they are held accountable for those mistakes and any damages caused by their mistakes. While there have been cases of corruption where officers intentionally targeted individuals, those cases are extremely rare these days.

The press loves to make race a factor in how police do their jobs, but the only arguments they have to support their claim are statistics that focus on race. 1 in 1000 black males in America will be killed by the police the LA times recently reported — a much higher rate for blacks compared to what white males face because blacks make up a much smaller percentage of the population than whites. But statistics don’t tell the whole story. Did the person take action that justified the police to use deadly force against them is the real question we should focus on. To think that “race” of the potential shooter plays any role in an officer’s decision to prevent their own death is ludicrous.

(It should be noted that “killed by police” means that the individual died in police custody or the police were determined to have caused the death. A heart attack victim who died in his sleep in a holding cell is considered to have been “killed by police” according to the definition most media outlets use, but are not quick to point out to their reporting.)

Based on info I found on Statista, in 2017, 457 whites, 223 blacks, 179 Hispanics, and 44 other races were “killed by police” . The number of white individuals killed was over twice that for blacks.

(TBC’d)

you know there's evidence up to gazoo about this, but are being intentionally obtuse to avoid conceding an obvious point. here's one of the MANY analyses of hard data that establish racial bias exists in the present day:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

Andy Dufresne: My God, Warden! How could you be so obtuse!
Warden Samuel Norton: What the F*** did you call me?!

Oh.. so NOW yer saying he is not even being impeached right now??

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Typical of Dumbocrats..

OK Fine.. If it's NOT an impeachment, then the White House can tell Schiff-Head to go frak himself and shove the subpoenas up his ass..

If there is NO IMPEACHMENT, then Executive Privilege rules the day... And Schiff-head can take a flying leap... :D

Dumbass....

If you DON'T believe that, give me facts (not code-words or dog whistles but stone cold FACTS) that prove me wrong..

As I said, the FACTS clearly show that Democrats have been "traditionally" oppressing LEOS since Obama..

"The cops acted stupidly"

Every time a white cop shoots a black person, the cop is ALWAYS wrong, according to you Democrats..

As I said, the FACTS clearly show that it's LEOs who are "oppressed"...

Which brings me back to my original question..

Is it possible that a white cop could shoot a black person and NOT be indicted or savaged by the Left??

What would that look like??

It’s not only that the current procedures are intensely partisan, that witnesses are interviewed in secret, that Pelosi has set ad hoc rules by fiat, or that Republicans have been entirely shut out of the process. Nor is it only that Pelosi and her allies are determined to rush a foregone conclusion through committee and avoid going to court if Trump refuses to provide documents or witnesses. (Normally, federal courts would settle such a standoff between the legislative and executive branches.) Schiff and Pelosi have announced that they won’t litigate these issues or give the White House due process. Instead, they will count any refusal as evidence of obstruction. Their reason is simple: Speed is more important than judicial legitimacy.

No, the reason is far simpler than that! Democrats are not concerned with “judicial legitimacy” because this is NOT the trial....

Trump is being INVESTIGATED, HE IS NOT ON TRIAL & HE HAS NOT BEEN IMPEACHED!

The Republicans keep screaming that the Democrats are not allowing them the ability to interfere with the investigation! Boo Hoo!

Schiff and Pelosi have announced that they won’t litigate these issues or give the White House due process.

If there is no litigation, why would the White House be entitled to “due process”?

Schiff and Pelosi sought the court’s assistance to rule on whether the White House can ignore Congressional subpoenas after the Mueller Report was released. Those cases have still not been resolved as the White House has made it clear that they intend to drag this out all the way to the Supreme Court..which could take years before it is even heard by SCOTUS.

There is also no need to re-litigate matters that case law has already been determined. The Constitution gives Congress the authority to investigate the Executive Branch’s conduct. If the Executive Branch refuses to comply with requests for documents required by Congress to carry out their investigations, those that refuse to comply are guilty of obstruction of justice.

Republicans cannot defend Trump’s actions, so they are attempting to confuse their supporters into thinking Trump is not being granted his legal rights as the Constitution demands.

It’s weird that they aren’t asking the court to stop the Democrats if that were actually true, don’t ya think?

If you genuinely believe that, you're kidding yourself.

But Democrats keep telling that lie, that they are "traditionally oppressed" to black Americans so as to scare them into voting Democrat..

Funny thing though..

Who was it that brought black American unemployment down to it's LOWEST POINT EVER!??

It wasn't the Democrats..

It was President Trump.. And he did it, in spite of having to FIGHT Democrats at every turn... At every juncture...

So, now.. Black Americans are waking up.. They are seeing the false promises of the VICTIM status that Democrats want to keep them in chains with..

That's why overwhelmingly black Americans will vote President Trump in Nov of 2020...

Hell yes, equally...

In ambiguous situations, the traditionally oppressed need to receive the benefit of the doubt, but are not required to give the same.

Then they have no reasonable expectation of same..

If they want to have the benefit of the doubt, then they need to give others the benefit of the doubt.. If they don't, then they don't deserve it back..

And let's face reality here..

No one has been "traditionally oppressed" in this country in over 60 years...

And, in the last 2 decades or so, it's been COPS who have been oppressed by the Democrat Party..

And remind the few...
When ill of us they speak...
That we are all that stands between...
The monsters and the weak...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13839e8d10b9303c8d9aee50576e15b15f4844be91d15073a21097a85b780c50.jpg

This current shooting is a perfect example..

JM screams RACISM!!! when there is not a single shred of evidence that the cop knew the race of the person..

The video doesn't make it clear... So it's entirely likely that the cop didn't know the race.. All he saw was a threat...

We DO know that there was a gun in the residence that ended up on the floor.. Was the subject holding it??

These are legitimate questions that need to be asked..

But JM et al don't WANT the facts.. They just want to yell RACIST!!!! and lynch the cop..

And that pisses me off to no end..

That's not the ONLY circumstances where deadly force is justified..

police have more leeway than most citizens in this regard because they're expected to have the training to know the difference between a threat to public safety and someone who is not a threat.

Exactly.. So why not give the officer the benefit of the doubt because they DO have the training??

however, police should know that our country's long history of racism means that unless they legitimately fear for their own safety, they need to check their racial bias before drawing their weapon.

And 99.9% of the officers do..

Now how about those cop-haters check THEIR racial bias before they start screaming about a white cop that is justified in shooting a black person??

Such racial bias checks work BOTH ways..

Wouldn't you agree??

however, police should know that our country's long history of racism means that unless they legitimately fear for their own safety, they need to check their racial bias before drawing their weapon.

Here's a question you can answer when you grow a pair and come back..

Liz, in his absence, if you want to take a swing at it..

Anyone else, feel free to chime in..

OK??? Good?? Here goes..

In YOUR world, can a white cop shoot a black person and it be justified??

What would such an incident look like to you??

"People Would Change the Channel if Network Broadcasted a Biden Rally."
-CNN Media Coordinator Nick Neville

hehe CNN don't like Joe Biden....

Democrats are already walking back their accusations..

"There Doesn't Need To Be A Quid Pro Quo For Ukraine Call To Be An Impeachable Offense"
-Adam Schiff

The Schiff-head is admitting there was no quid pro quo in the Ukraine call..

Yet he claims it's still impeachable..

Of course he can't EXPLAIN why it's impeachable...

Democrats have NOTHING...

Who could have POSSIBLY predicted this!!??

Oh.. Wait.. :D

Pelosi has a clear duty here: Go to the full House to pass rules so her impeachment inquiry can be more than an outright frame job.

Funny how no one here cared when Hillary went thru the Ukrainians to a Brit and eventually Russian intelligence..

When HILLARY did it (as reported in Politico) ya'all totally and unequivocally supported it..

So, yer lame CAN'T GET DIRT ON POLITICAL OPPONENTS FROM FOREIGN SOURCES!!!! rings very hollow cuz ya'all accepted it when Hillary did just that..

Obladi, Oblada, life goes on, bra,
Lala how their life goes on.
Obladi, Oblada, life goes on, bra,
Lala how their life goes on.
-The Beatles

:D

And when the Washington Examiner has revealed that at least two Schiff staffers (one of them hired in the midst of the complaint filing) worked with the whistleblower at the White House back when he was advising the Obama point man on Ukraine, Veep Joe Biden.

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see Democrats are heading for disaster...

They are looking at 4 more years for President Trump, a filibuster proof Senate and the House back in GOP hands by a large margin..

Adding to the Dims woes will be a 6-3 Conservative SCOTUS for a year or so, then a 7-2 Conservative SCOTUS for the rest of President Trump's term of office.. :D

Life is going to be really REALLY good.. :D

My LEO and military bona fides were well established long before you polluted this once great community..

Tough luck yer such a JEEP...

Yea.. It's called NOT HAVING ANY FACTS..

Which you don't...

You don't even have any experience, training or expertise in the field...

Hay! Maybe you can get on a board and get $50K a month like Hunter Biden did..

Oh wait.. Yer dad aint VP..

So I guess yer screwed there too...

Poor JM.. You can't win at ANYTHING, can ya... :D

"Yea, like I am going to list all my personnel info to fuckheads like you..

Everyone here has seen what you fuckheads do with personal information..."

in other words, all bluster and bullshit with nothing to back it up. LOL

So far, though, Pelosi and her impeachment pointman, Rep. Adam Schiff, are moving the opposite way.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/14/what-are-the-democrats-hiding-about-impeachment-inquiry/

WaPoop and NY Grime are calling on Pelosi to do a full House vote on impeachment..

Democrats are refusing because they know they will lose...

"But going on thinking you did. If it helps your little ego. Whatever gives you a woody baby.

Wow.. Yer so lame you can't think of ANY retorts.. You have to use mine!!"

Wow, he can't even recognize sarcasm when he sees it. ROFL

"Now, run away like you always do when ya get bitch-slapped to hell... :D"

Actually I believe that your M.O. Or Modus Operandi since you need everything spelled out for you.

Bitch slapped to hell? Honey I know drag queens who can deliver it a lot better than the panty waisted slap you just tried to so unsuccessfully pull off.

Now please run along little boy while the adults can get back to some serious discussion.

Wow.. Yer so lame you can't think of ANY retorts.. You have to use mine!!

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Yea, like I am going to list all my personnel info to fuckheads like you..

Everyone here has seen what you fuckheads do with personal information...

I may have been born AT night, racist..

But I wasn't born LAST night...

Suffice it to say I have POST accreditation that would allow me to work at any PD or SO in the country...

"Oh my god, that is so damn ridiculous. Thanks, I just died on the floor with my big laugh of the day. You really are just too priceless and precious for words Michale.

Facts hurt, don't they JM...."

If you had ANY FACTS, they might. But since you don't. No, you did not hurt my poor little feelings in the least.

But going on thinking you did. If it helps your little ego. Whatever gives you a woody baby.

"I have the FACT of over 2 and a half decades in the field.."

Really? What police force? What position? What badge number? What academy did you graduate from? Go on, I double dare you to list them.

Facts hurt, don't they JM....

Ahhh, but they have.. Yer just too much of a noob to realize it...

And what's even MORE funny is you have nothing else to support yer bullshit..

So, of course you call into question my established expertise..

Because yer absolutely ignorant of the facts..

"The fact is, it's a pure bona fide racist who always brings up race in EVERY issue.."

Oh my god, that is so damn ridiculous. Thanks, I just died on the floor with my big laugh of the day. You really are just too priceless and precious for words Michale.

Pelosi’s impeachment strategy is not separate from this electoral calculation. It’s central to it.

Democrats are facing decimation in Nov of 2020....

They know it.. This whole faux impeachment coup REEKS of desperation...

"But my bona fides are well established.."

Yeah, you always say that. But your bona fides are neither proven or well established.

"You have NOTHING to support your claims except your cop hating attitude.."

You have nothing to support your own claim except your knee jerk slavery to the ideology of the blue wall of silence code.

I have the FACT of over 2 and a half decades in the field..

What do YOU have??

Oh yea.. Yer a big fan of Hawaii Five-0 and Blue Bloods :eyeroll:

Whatever you have to tell yourself to give yerself a woody.. :^/

The fact is, it's a pure bona fide racist who always brings up race in EVERY issue..

"It seemed to be "normal" when Hillary did it..

Or, at least, normal enough that you didn't mind.."

Oh, so what exactly was the instance where Clinton invited a foreign government to interfere in the election? Please, by all means point it out.

"Because you CAN'T point to a single solitary law that says what you claim it says..

THAT'S why... Duuh..."

It's in federal campaign finance law, which has been repeatedly pointed out to you and which you have repeatedly ignored.

Duuh

Yea, you always say that..

But my bona fides are well established..

What's your training, education or experience do YOU have that allows you to second guess street cops..

I mean, besides watching THE ROOKIE and 911.... :eyeroll:

You have NOTHING to support your claims except your cop hating attitude..

This impeach-and-be-damned strategy is risky. It is already hurting vulnerable, centrist Democrats, and the damage could mount. Ukraine is the only plausible issue for impeachment, but that focus has already knee-capped the leading Democratic candidate, Joe Biden. His son, Hunter, earned big money from a Ukrainian energy company without any qualifications beyond his DNA. The more Democrats focus on Ukraine, the worse for Biden.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/10/15/what_pelosi_really_wants_from_impeachment_141494.html

Pelosi knows that there is not a snowball's chance in hell that President Trump will be removed from office.. Hell, even official Weigantia concedes as much...

Pelosi's goal is simply to provide bullshit spewage that has no basis in fact.. To throw as much shit on the wall as she can in hopes that SOMETHING... ANYTHING... sticks..

They tried that with their Russia Collusion delusion.. They failed.

And they will fail again...

"Ya'all's ignorance is offensive.. Especially when ya'all choose to wallow in it by making lame and ignorant proclamations.."

The only lame and ignorant proclimations here are yours, as shown by your response in # 52

"You seriously are going to tell me the outcome would not have been different if she had been a pretty white girl with blond hair and not a black woman.

Oh pullleeesse.. You morons and your frakin' race card... Jesus H Christ!!

Do you really think the officer's first reaction would be to shoot into some white person's home to kill? Not even knowing if there were children in the same room?

I am not even going to dignify such racist spewage as yours with an answer..."

Says the pot calling the kettle black! Sounds like I really hit a nerve too close to home.

"Really? So you have conducted a poll of the Forth Worth police force?

I don't have to...

I know cops.... You can bet that the rank and file are behind this cop... THEY know that it's political bullshit that is prosecuting these cops for doing their jobs.."

In other words, you have NO FACTS

"And what tells you this??

Your VAST experience as an LEO???

Or watching THE ROOKIE and 911 on TV??"

Says the man who has repeatedly stated that HIS only law enforcement experience is as a military MP.

Really BIG :eyeroll:

Sounds like I am at least as qualified as you are.

I don't have to...

I know cops.... You can bet that the rank and file are behind this cop... THEY know that it's political bullshit that is prosecuting these cops for doing their jobs..

It seemed to be "normal" when Hillary did it..

Or, at least, normal enough that you didn't mind..

Don't hire a foreign government or agent to dig up dirt. That is what is illegal and that Stucki is what you don't seem to be able to understand.

Why is it that you don't or won't understand that???

Because you CAN'T point to a single solitary law that says what you claim it says..

THAT'S why... Duuh...

"No.. The political "leadership" of the Fort Worth PD disagree with me..

The rank and file cops are on my side.."

Really? So you have conducted a poll of the Forth Worth police force? Please publish your tabulated results here.

Hunter Biden is stepping down from a director’s position at a Chinese private-equity firm and said he wouldn’t serve on any foreign boards if his father, Joe Biden, is elected president, lowering his controversial business profile as it becomes embroiled in the 2020 election and Democrats’ efforts to impeach President Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-bidens-concede/ar-AAILOi6

Bidens admit that their actions are unsavory and questionable..

That, coupled with Obama's continued silence is signaling the end of Biden's final campaign...

"The question is, Who gets to define "criminal activity"??

If "criminal actitity" is seeking "dirt" with which to besmirch your opponent, then thare's really nothing in politics that's NOT "criminal activity", right?"

The government gets to define criminal activity.

NO. By all means seek all the dirt on your political opponent that you want. Hire any domestic private investigator to do it.

Just don't try to normalize or excuse what is not normal. Which is exactly what you seem to be doing.

Don't hire a foreign government or agent to dig up dirt. That is what is illegal and that Stucki is what you don't seem to be able to understand.

Why is it that you don't or won't understand that???

Go thru an Academy.. Put on the uniform and pin on a badge..

THEN come talk to me about how easy it is to make the perfect life/death decision every time...

Ya'all's ignorance is offensive.. Especially when ya'all choose to wallow in it by making lame and ignorant proclamations..

And the responding officer KNEW that the person he observed was the person who needed checking on, exactly how??

You have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight..

You seriously are going to tell me the outcome would not have been different if she had been a pretty white girl with blond hair and not a black woman.

Oh pullleeesse.. You morons and your frakin' race card... Jesus H Christ!!

Do you really think the officer's first reaction would be to shoot into some white person's home to kill? Not even knowing if there were children in the same room?

I am not even going to dignify such racist spewage as yours with an answer...

Especially when you were sent there to ensure the safety of the person whom you just shot and killed.

And what tells you this??

Your VAST experience as an LEO???

Or watching THE ROOKIE and 911 on TV??

:eyeroll:

No.. The political "leadership" of the Fort Worth PD disagree with me..

The rank and file cops are on my side..

Duck down

Pull back

Wait for back-up

Seal off the house and establish a perimeter

Try to contact the person inside

Set up negotiations as if you were in a hostage situation

Not start randomly and indiscriminately firing your weapon into the house.

Especially when you were sent there to ensure the safety of the person whom you just shot and killed.

Do we really want to say it is completely ok for the police to start killing people in their own homes whom they were sent there to supposedly protect in the first place???

Remember, the victim here, the person who was shot and killed, was the person the police were supposed to be doing a safety check on. The police were supposed to be making sure that she was healthy and safe.

The police, who was outside the house, shot and killed her through a window while she was inside her own house completely minding her own business and not engaged in any kind of crime whatsoever.

If some strange person starts shouting at you through your window while you are going about your own business inside your own home, what is your first reaction going to be?

You seriously are going to tell me the outcome would not have been different if she had been a pretty white girl with blond hair and not a black woman.

Do you really think the officer's first reaction would be to shoot into some white person's home to kill? Not even knowing if there were children in the same room?

The Fort Worth Police Department disagrees with you.

Why was the weapon just lying on the floor with an 8-yr old around??

Did the subject have the weapon in her hand and it was dropped on the floor when she was shot??

That makes more sense that someone leaving a weapon just lying on the floor with an 8 year old in the room...

The more I look, the more it's looking like a good shoot..

There was a gun on the floor and the subject did not obey commands to show the officer her hands...

It's just a sad state of affairs when the Left uses these tragedies to further their own cop hating agenda..

I don't have all the facts so I can't comment.

I WILL say however, that it's a sad day when cops are thrown on the altar of political correctness just to appease cop haters..

I'll also point out that ANYONE who wants to throw cops under the bus (which is the Left's default position) needs to walk in cop's shoes for a day before they sit in judgement..

Basically it means a cynic is a realist before it's appropriate...

:D

When DSWS and JL say that President Trump is going to be re-elected, they are labeled as cynical. But when President Trump IS re-elected they are realists..

So, in effect, DSWS and JL are realists before anyone realizes they are realists..

Hope that clears things up.. :D

A cynic is oft defined as a premature realist... :D

https://youtu.be/8cfeTZNcA3g?t=20
BOOOM!!!! HEAD SHOT!!!

:D

GOP lawmaker introduces bill to investigate Biden family's dealings with Ukraine
https://www.foxnews.com/media/gop-congressman-byrne-investigate-biden-ukraine

Democrats want investigations.. Let's have investigations...

Two words...

Barack Obama

I'll let our Grand Poobah say it...

The first is the absence of Barack Obama. He needs to get off the sidelines, plain and simple. Joe Biden didn't go rogue and pressure the Ukrainians on his own initiative, from all accounts, it was not only an official White House policy but it was in fact the same goal that most of Western Europe was had with the Ukrainian government. So Obama needs to state this now, in explicit terms. A simple tweet would be enough, at this point: "Vice President Biden did exactly what I told him to do in the Ukraine, and it had absolutely nothing to do with his son, period." This would be the strongest possible defense for Biden, which is why Obama really needs to jump into the fray, here. It is not showing favoritism in the primary race to defend what his own vice president did, after all.
-CW

As long as Obama remains silent, Joe Biden will always be branded as corrupt.. A rogue influence peddler...

Biden will never be the Dem nominee as long as Obama remains silent.

I will entertain ANY wagers on this.. :D

Let someone else get a word in edgewise, eh!? :D

heh

Then Biden should ask them why the hell they are continuing to treat Trump’s lies like they have even an ounce of credibility to them. Ask them If they are going to play along with Trump’s conspiracy theories, at least they could turn the focus on why Trump’s kids are not currently being investigated for their abusing daddy’s new importance to make some quick cash!

The rules of engagement need to be changed when it comes to Trump’s manipulating the press. Democrats need to start forcing the press to do their jobs and stop allowing Trumps lies to be published without clearly pointing out that they are lies!

Well, you know, I learned to take into account those many American voters who don't pay attention the way do from you!

Dan, is this what you think Biden did?

Maybe you're right but, it wasn't like the story was anywhere near to going away when he first spoke about it.

Then he put out his plan for building on the strong rules of the Obama administration with specifics just the other day.

And, still the story isn't going away. In fact, I think Biden will be dealing with this until the end of this election cycle, in one way or another.

Because that is who he is dealing with ...

Back atcha: good point and I agree.

I think you're not wrong. But there's fighting back effectively, and then there's what Hillary did. If you reply to the substance of a lie directly, the very next day, by trying to correct it, all you've done is to give it an extra news cycle. And you lose. If you know your liabilities in advance, and respond in real time by triggering the news hook of an image or narrative that evokes a completely different conceptual framework, you starve the lie of its first news cycle.

And if you let the lie go unchallenged for several days, and then respond directly just as its echoes were fading in the chamber and it was looking around for a new news hook to get them amplified again, then you lose even worse than if you had responded immediately.

So does Senator Biden.

I don't think the subject of new rules should come up until after the 2020 election, especially by Democrats, running for president or not.

Why? Because it is tantamount to smearing Senator Biden in the minds of American voters who aren't keeping up with all of this and they only hear Trump because Trump is everywhere and who would normally vote for Biden but may not now because they mistakenly think that there is enough there there to smear Biden.

What about the idea that existing rules are inadequate? That money goes to people connected to major politicians, on grounds that meet the requirements of existing rules, in order to facilitate access or promote goodwill, and in return the politicians don't go against their principles but are subject to subtle influences within the range of acceptable options.

Par for the course.

Actually, the interesting thing to watch for will be whether the moderators are able to do their jobs and moderate a real debate.

But, I could be wrong.

I think voters are too smart not to see this tactic for what it is … a veiled attempt to smear their fellow candidate and former vice president.

So, they will try this tactic at their peril. I'm talking to you, Senator Harris.

To me, that sounds like an extremely lame argument to make and certainly one that Biden won't make, without any context, at least.

To make this a real argument a candidate should make clear that there is no comparison between the Bidens and the Trumps in any way, shape or form. And, then just dive into all of the details. I'm sure the voters can take the depth.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't this tactic of fighting back against every single one of Trumps lies one of the reasons why Hillary lost?