One thing I would love to see candidates asked at these debates would be to bring a list of their “dream team” cabinet picks and advisors. Unlike Trump, most presidents rely heavily on having the best people advising them in making policy decisions — so I think it would be interesting to know who the candidates believe would best serve the country under them.

Me too!

I could see Kamala Harris being multiple candidates first choice for running the DOJ.

Me too!

This country will cease to be a country if Dem candidate wins the election and makes good on their promise to ban fossil fuels..

This country will cease to be a country!? *laughs*

Given this FACT, A> there is NO WAY Texas will EVER go Blue... and B> there is NO WAY that a Democrat will win the election in 2020...

We're all still waiting on that "Red Tsunami" you promised when you insisted over and over that the "Black approval rating" of Donald Trump was so high and that "Blacks" were leaving the "Democrat Party" in droves.

Also, Texas was "Blue" for well over a hundred years, and anybody who thinks it will never be Blue again has mental issues.

And it should be noted that the Dem candidate to BAN fossil fuels is VIDEO TAPED and ON THE RECORD...

Biden was asked if he would eliminate coal and fracking if elected president. He said: "We would make sure it's eliminated and no more subsidies for either one of those." If Republicans want to lie and spin that to include banning of all fossil fuels, no one on Earth will be surprised that the Trumplicans and GOP and their useful idiots will lie and fabricate this at every chance they get. Cheating and lying is their modus operandi.

So, there will be NO WIGGLE ROOM whatsoever to back pedal for the eventual nominee..

Trump promised on various and assorted multiple occasions to release his tax returns "VIDEO TAPED and ON THE RECORD" so there is "NO WIGGLE ROOM" whatsoever to back pedal. :) Duh!

OK... Beto wants to ban the AR-15 simply because of the name???

Wrong. No matter how you try to spin it to suit your agenda, the gun issue isn't about semantics. It's about AR-15 style battle weapons and their many variants being in the hands of civilians. If you think it would be too hard to define and ban these type weapons, then you're obviously ignorant of history and have gotten yourself all wrapped up in semantics.

I eventually had 26 firearms, including 4 shotguns, 20 rifles, and two handguns. I had a specific hunting weapon for everything that walked, crawled or flew in my part of the world that could be hunted.

Nice start on a gun collection, Stucki. ;)

But I never owned a single weapon of the type that are considered "battlefield weapons" today (AR15 style). Those things are worthless for hunting.

Unless you are hunting humans, and that's what people are doing now. More and more lately, people are being spoon-fed a plethora of statements wherein other people are demonized, dehumanized, and repeatedly referred to as an "infestation" and similar wording. Learned hatred and stoking of fear of "others" and supremacy of your own "tribe" are NOT mental illnesses.

I hate to see any restrictions on 2nd Amend rights, but I think the current situation justifies banning AR15 style weapons.

Yes, sir. Correct. There's no need for civilians to own weapons of war that are designed to kill humans in rapid succession. Full stop. Which is exactly what AR-15 style battlefield weapons and their variants M16 and M4 were designed to do, and AR-15s were still being used by the US military well into the 1990s, Air Force to be exact. As I am sure you're aware, anyone who claims that the AR-15 isn't a battlefield weapon needs a history lesson.

Colt bought the ArmaLite rifle (AR) brand because of ArmaLite's inability to meet the production needs required by the US government, who then promptly contracted Colt to make the rifle for the US Army, and at the time, Colt made two versions: an automatic version for the Army and a version that was semi-automatic... both came off the exact same assembly lines and were branded "AR-15" on the lower receivers, with the Army version branded "Colt ArmaLite AR-15, Property of the U.S. Government caliber .223" to be exact, purchased for Special Forces, Airborne, Air Assault, and Ranger units during the Vietnam era. The main other difference between the two versions was the bolt and whether a 2-position or 3-position selector switch. After the AR-15 went into circulation, more was learned about how to improve the rifle, then branded the M16, various versions. I would wager you know this too, and that's why you referred to them as AR-15 style weapons.

I would also wager you're well aware that the act of intentionally killing other people who don't share your political views, ethnicity, or skin color isn't a mental illness. In America, we collectively as taxpayers employ people to do that for a living and refer to them as the United States Armed Forces.

Nice to see we can agree on something. Props to you, Stucki. :)

Re #58

"Amazing. Everything you just said there was wrong."
-Luke Skywalker

WOW.. Boy, you people must be SOOOOO embarrassed, eh?? :D

Nope, not at all. It was Obama who signed the deal allowing planes to land there if they need be — as an airport to reroute to in case of equipment problems, etc.

The Air Force has contracts with lots of foreign airports for the same purpose.

Under Trump, there has been an unexplained mass increase of military planes landing and refueling at what used to be considered an out-of-the-way airport for flights heading to the Middle East. The Scottish people are not fans of Trump, and their local journalists have been reporting on this issue quite a bit in the last year. It should also be noted that this airport does not have nearly the security that our military bases offer for leaving a supply filled plane on the tarmac!

Maybe you can explain why the Air Force is suddenly ordering cargo planes and fighters on route to and from the ME to avoid landing and refueling at military bases near their flight route and instead go out of their way to land at a small public airport where the fuel is much more expensive? There is no way that the Trump resort’s new contract partnering with the airport could have anything to do with this, right?

OK, I swear that I did not see you comment in [48] when I wrote about your “Trumpkin trick” for avoiding having to debate issues you cannot win by name calling or lying about what the Democrat’s position actually is.

So I thank you for further proving my point for me!

As for Warren besting Trump in a debate??

Simply will not happen.. President Trump has already proven he can bitch-slap Warren silly..

You mean that Warren has frazzled Trump so often with her criticisms of him that instead of addressing what she was criticizing and defending his positions, Trump is left resorting to 5th grade name-calling as his only response?

Trump already bent Warren to his will when he forced her to do that devastating DNA test and made her admit to the world that her claims of Native American ancestry was complete and utter bullshit..

Warren wasn’t forced to do anything. She chose to address his claims that she was lying about having some Native American ancestors in her bloodline, and proved Trump WRONG! Now if Trump tries to stick to his same old nickname for Warren, he’ll look like a fool! Not only that, but Warren can point out how Trump is too much of a coward to prove others wrong in what they say about him. Like when Bill Maher said Trump’s ancestors were orangutans, Trump could have taken a DNA test and proved Maher wrong, but instead sued Maher like a thin-skinned biatch. Or like when Warren says Trump is not nearly as wealthy as he claims and what money he now has comes from the Russians, Trump could hand over his tax returns if she is wrong....

As far as Warren winning the election??

There is simply NO WAY that Independents and NPAs will vote for a socialist that has promised full and free healthcare to crimmigrants, open borders and eliminating fossil fuels... It simply WON'T happen..

That’s great to hear, especially since Warren isn’t proposing those things! This is one of your Trumpkin tricks that is far more obvious to everyone than you realize....you flat out lie about what Democrats’ positions are when you cannot reasonably refute them.

Bottom line: Warren would wipe the floor with him! Her facts that would leave Trump spitting childish insults and crying quietly to himself on stage, again. (Remember all of his sniffling during his debates with Hillary??? Of course, if it wasn’t crying, then I guess the late, great, Carrie Fisher nailed it when when she claimed that those were the sniffles of a long-time cocaine user!)

The hazards of cut and paste high volume trolling. As the old saying goes: "How did we go morally bankrupt? Volume!"

I agree with your assessment. I just get amused when 538 decides to wildly over complicate a simple problem. Must have been a slow political week for them.

Great recap! I especially thought your points on Cory Booker and Mayor Pete both being people that we can expect to see even stronger versions of in future campaigns.

One thing I would love to see candidates asked at these debates would be to bring a list of their “dream team” cabinet picks and advisors. Unlike Trump, most presidents rely heavily on having the best people advising them in making policy decisions — so I think it would be interesting to know who the candidates believe would best serve the country under them.

I could see Kamala Harris being multiple candidates first choice for running the DOJ.

Not sure that I agree with your assessment of Biden’s performance or how you think he’d do against Trump in a live debate, but loved your scenario for a Warren vs, Trump battle! The ending had me laughing and clapping so hard that it scared my dogs!

I tip my cap to you and say, “Bravo!”

As for your “partial list” of things made from petroleum — why did you feel the need to repeat products previously listed? Toothbrushes, eyewear, artificial limbs, petroleum jelly (shocker!), and hair care products are just a few of the items that I found repeated in multiple places....and that was just me eyeballing the list quickly.

Now I do not believe that you actually took the time to make this list yourself (unless you got your hands on some really strong weed), but to whoever did create it: your attempt to make the list longer had the opposite effect from what you were hoping it would — it’s not impressive; it just comes off as desperation.

Yea.. Cuz Hillary faired so well.. :eyeroll:

Oh wait.. You said any woman.. You didn't say "any lying sack o shit bitch".. OK my mistake.. :D

That article is a confusing mess!

No shit, sherlock.. It's 538...... DUH...

In this regard, you are simply repeating what I have said since Day 1...

Biden should have retired and rested on his laurels, of which are quite a few... He could have left the political world on top.. Or, at least, as on top as he will ever get...

But now.. Now he will simply be known as an Also Ran.. A 3 time loser who is now, like the Clintons before him, a political joke.. A punchline for the late night comics...

The Clintons deserve such a fate..

Joe Biden did not..

Yea.. Cuz Hillary faired so well.. :eyeroll:

As for Warren besting Trump in a debate??

Simply will not happen.. President Trump has already proven he can bitch-slap Warren silly.. Trump already bent Warren to his will when he forced her to do that devastating DNA test and made her admit to the world that her claims of Native American ancestry was complete and utter bullshit..

As far as Warren winning the election??

Puuulleeeese...

There is simply NO WAY that Independents and NPAs will vote for a socialist that has promised full and free healthcare to crimmigrants, open borders and eliminating fossil fuels... It simply WON'T happen..

So, enjoy yer delusions while you can...

They are about to be totally and utterly decimated..

:D

In such a contest Joe will be taken aback by every lie and personal attack Trump makes, he will be too slow to block the blow. Bewildered by what is happening he will be torn limb from limb and left on the floor of the arena a bloody mass of bones and organs. To the chagrin of all civilized people, the crowd will erupt in wild celebration and Donald will get another term. Joe’s friends should recognize the danger and pull him out of this race, for he is too good a person to meet such a terrible end. (I’m looking at you Elizabeth Miller)

In the arena with Trump, Bernie would roar like the lion he is and fearlessly face the beast. However, Trumps coat of slimy ego limits the damage Bernie’s logical claws can do, and Trump lands blow after blow finally piercing the Socialistic heart of the old lion.

Any woman has an advantage in combat with Trump, for his misogyny and paternalism leaves him clueless as to how women think, and how they respond to his crude and cumbersome attacks. Ms Warren’s off the charts intelligence and rapier wit allows her to simply dance around Trumps lumbering attacks. He swings and misses, over and over again, while her pointed thrusts penetrate his skin every time. Trump exhaust himself and bleeds out in front of a stunned and silent audience. Eventually, hosannas are heard and they build to a deafening crescendo. The crowd led by none other than our own Michale, hoist her on their shoulders and triumphantly carry her to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. When latter asked about his change of heart, he said that Trump committed the only sin that could never be forgiven; “He Lost”.

That article is a confusing mess!

The first graph and the following table are wonkish and confusing. Go directly to the third item. Overall order of support did not change for the top 8 rated candidates....Klobuchar moved up to take next to last from Castro. The gap between the top three and the bottom 7 is still large. Next graph, Biden is still rated the most likely to beat Trump, Warren and Sanders are roughly a dead heat in second place. Final graph, Warren noses out the highest favorability rating, but it's virtually a 3 way tie between her and Biden and Sanders.

For practical purposes, the 3rd debate settled nothing...according to 538's poll. On to number four. At some point, candidates will run out of money and/or optimism.

FiveThirtyEight.com partnered with Ipsos to do a post-debate poll.

Results were positive for EW (more than I expected), more negative for Kamala (which I didn't expect), mixed for the rest on various fronts.

Thirty years ago a child might have heard predominantly "white" speech on the TV and most radio programming. When my son started listing to audio mass media 20-ish years later he gravitated to predominantly black music, which was easily obtained on the radio, cds, and later thru the web. He still embraces it, a lot like many of my parents' generation embraced the Afro American music they heard in their youth. He's a multi-media artist, and he makes a semi-decent living in large part from his cross cultural tastes and connections. He is also the least prejudiced person I know.

So, excluding the un-referenced study, which may well have been flawed, there is good reason to believe that cross cultural exposure is a good thing in a melting pot like the USA.

As for Biden's word salad presentation, I take your point, it was awful to listen to. Biden does not seem to be comfortable with pausing to collect his thoughts....he just rushes on headlong.

Does President Trump maneuver and connive and manipulate Democrats into losing face, stepping on their wee-wees and getting embarrassed all the time??

Or is he just the luckiest son of a bitch in history??

hehehehehehehehe

"Do you think he plans it all out?? Or does he just wing it?"
-Leftinent, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN-Dead Man's Chest

It also reported that the contract with the Prestwick Airport was in fact signed during the Obama administration. The Washington Post also reported that the airport was sending visiting crews to Trump’s course before he ran for president.

Hehehehehehehehehehe

Wow... How small and pissy do ya'all feel, eh??

This is like when ya'all blamed President Trump for putting kids in cages and it turns out the pictures ya'all used were from the Odumbo years.. :D

Aw, come on.. Take a step back and look at it..

It's frakin' hilarious!!! :D

Air Force deal to refuel near Trump’s Scottish resort reportedly signed under Obama
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-deal-with-airport-turnberry

It was OBAMA who signed the agreement that made that happen..

WOW.. Boy, you people must be SOOOOO embarrassed, eh?? :D

Thing is, what these liberal congresspeople don't tell you is how many votes they've garnered for their ideas on capitol hill.

The Left always has a field day during the presidential elections, because it's the one time that they can air their policies. Eventually, folks don't vote for them, and they return to the Senate for more thrashings.

Biden did fine. Nothing to alarm people, nothing that will stick like glue to him. Trump is the target, and Biden knows it.

That’s the current front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination a) first appearing to treat the mere mention of an old segregationist quote of his as ridiculous, then b) responding to a question about repairing the legacy of slavery by saying that the government needs to have teachers go into the homes of kids in poor schools to teach the parents how to raise those children. And what color are the children, disproportionately, going to those poor schools? Nowhere in that answer is a prescription for making the poor families less so, nor for improving the schools. It’s the kind of paternalistic racism that has so long existed in both liberal and conservative circles, and was on Thursday night spilling out of the mouth of the former vice president on the campus of an HBCU. It was all quite a sight to behold.

I mentioned Biden's word-salad response to the reparations question last night - I thought it was problematic. But I didn't know at the time what, precisely he was referring to. I think that makes it worse. It seems he went groping through his memory for something to build a reply to a question about reparations on, and what he came up with was some junk-beliefs from decades ago.

Michael Hobbes
@RottenInDenmark
If you can get past the poor expression, what Biden is doing here is repeating a common, debunked claim that African-American children grow up in homes where they don't hear enough words.

He goes on to explain this notion has been debunked and was based on a very faulty study from the 1980's.

The ultimate point: For two decades, politicians like Biden have seen the 'word gap' as a problem in itself rather than a symptom of a much larger one. Black kids don't hear enough words? Put on the TV! Play records! That'll fix it!

Children need loving, stable, enriching interactions with adults. That means well-funded childcare and schools. That means jobs with parental leave policies. It means adults being able to leave at 3pm to get their kids from school.

It means living wages.

The whole tweetstorm is good.

https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1172519465138835456

If you can get past the poor expression, what Biden is doing here is repeating a common, debunked claim that African-American children grow up in homes where they don't hear enough words.

The claim is based on a 1992 book in which researchers said black children heard 30 million fewer words than white children by the time they were 3 years old. This concept, known as the 'word gap,' has been a major feature in education reform efforts ever since.

It is, of course, wildly oversimplified, a statistic almost perfectly designed to inspire Ted Talks and quick fixes rather than actual solutions for why poor and minority children fall behind in school.

First, the 30 million figure is based on a deeply flawed study from the early 1980s. White researchers visited the homes of poor and rich families and recorded their interactions with their children. Later, they counted how many words they used.
https://npr.org/sections/ed/20

They didn't account for the fact that minority parents might have been intimidated by researchers visiting their homes. Or that rich parents might have gone out of their way to impress them.

When other researchers have attempted to replicate the 'word gap' with better methods they find a much narrower gap, closer to 2.5 million words. The original study got it wrong by a factor of 10.

But that's not the biggest flaw in the '30 million words' study or Biden's use of it. Other studies have found that poor and minority parents spend less time with their children. The word gap appears to be much smaller in reality, but it still exists.

The question is why. Is it that black parents simply don't know that spending time with their young children is important? Does the culture of 'inner city neighborhoods' not reward rich vocabulary and expression?

Or could it be, follow closely now, THAT POOR PEOPLE AND MINORITIES HAVE LESS FUCKING FREE TIME? Low-wage positions have sporadic schedules. Millions of parents work two jobs. No money means no daycare, no nanny, no private tutor.

For two decades, politicians like Biden have seen the 'word gap' as a problem in itself rather than a symptom of a much larger one. Black kids don't hear enough words? Put on the TV! Play records! That'll fix it!

It's appallingly facile. It's based on the idea that if only black parents *knew* that their children needed to hear more words they would fix the problem and the racial education gap would go away.

But there's no evidence that parents babbling to their children or plopping them in front of Everybody Loves Raymond for 3 hours every night would make a difference. You can't solve a resources problem with tweaks or technology.

Children need loving, stable, enriching interactions with adults. That means well-funded childcare and schools. That means jobs with parental leave policies. It means adults being able to leave at 3pm to get their kids from school.

And not to get all soundcloud on you, but the ugly idea that minority children come to school with linguistic deficiencies goes back more than 70 years. We did a whole podcast on why it's bullshit.

"Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47. We're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore!"
-Beto, Sep 2019

Yea, we can trust Democrats.. :eyeroll:

But, I digest... :D

"Touche salesman. Do come in"
-Homer Simpson

:D

While true, I just expect that people hysterically screaming about that problem would actually have a viable solution...

How about a compromise - All firearms firing cartridges larger than .22 cal rimfire be restricted to capacity of 5 rounds.

The problem is, unless you build in an actual self-destruct mechanism, IE a "disposal" gun, the reality is such a weapon cannot exist..

Perhaps down the road when we design phasers.. :D

I guarantee you, something's gonna happen, because it simply can't keep going the way it's going now.

Yes.. Something is going to happen..

And here's what it is..

Americans will come to accept the 10K-15K dead annually from gun violence and the occasional and sporadic Crowd Based Mass Shooting as the price of having the 2nd Amendment

Just as Americans have come to accept 30k+ dead in traffic accidents as the price of having the convenience of owning a car..

The ONLY thing that will pre-empt such acceptance is if Democrats come to realize that their efforts are better focused on the root cause of Crowd Based Mass Shootings (IE Mental health issues) and stop trying to penalize law abiding Americans who simply exercise their Constitutional rights..

Taking innocent people's guns because of the actions of a few is akin to taking everyone's cars because of drunk drivers...

It's not logical.. It's not rational.. It's hysterical based emotionalism..

How about a compromise - All firearms firing cartridges larger than .22 cal rimfire be restricted to capacity of 5 rounds.

I guarantee you, something's gonna happen, because it simply can't keep going the way it's going now.

How about we ban any and all weapons (knives. clubs. sticks and stones, etc.,) that happen to "appeal to CRAZY people"???

The sad thing is, there IS a solution..

But for it to be possible, Democrats have to get rid of their Partisan hatred of guns and address the ROOT cause of Crowd Based Mass Shootings..

Mental health breakdowns..

It's a given that any Crowd Based Mass Shooter is mentally ill. Only someone crazy would want to massacre dozens and dozens of innocent people..

Half the mass shooters have shown mental health issues in the run up to their massacres..

If those psychotics can be IDENTIFIED and monitored, then we can actually put a dent in Crowd Based Mass Shootings..

But doing so violates the Democrat Party platform..

And here we are..

How about we ban any and all weapons (knives. clubs. sticks and stones, etc.,) that happen to "appeal to CRAZY people"???

At BEST it would be nothing but a placebo to give the illusion that something is being done.

At WORST (and most likely) it's simply a stepping stone to further and further bans..

But what would the parameters of that "ban" be??

That's the important question..

The devil is in the details.

Are we just going to ban the gun called "AR-15"?? Gun manufacturers just change the name..

What is the parameters to ban "AR-15"??

Funny story about the 1994 "assault rifle" ban..

One of the specifics is that any rifle that had a bayonet mount would be banned.

So gun manufacturers simply made AR-15s without the bayonet mount..

Viola.. Instant "legal" rifle with all the exact same capability, capacity and fire power..

What EXACTLY are the specs of a "banned" rifle, vs a "legal" rifle..

It's that question that trips Democrats up every time..

I grew up in the heart of the Rocky Mtns in the 1950's, when there was twice as much game and half as many people as today. I spent every free moment fishing or hunting. I eventually had 26 firearms, including 4 shotguns, 20 rifles, and two handguns. I had a specific hunting weapon for everything that walked, crawled or flew in my part of the world that could be hunted.

I loaded all my own ammo, and I can still quote you muzzle velocities for most popular cartridges with different propellants and different bullets.

My arsenal included 3 weapons classified as semi-auto, , and many that could have qualified as "battlefield weapons", depending on which era you were talking about. One was a muzzle loader, and in its day, even it qualified as a "battlefield weapon".

But I never owned a single weapon of the type that are considered "battlefield weapons" today (AR15 style). Those things are worthless for hunting.

I hate to see any restrictions on 2nd Amend rights, but I think the current situation justifies banning AR15 style weapons.

ANYONE who thinks that the AR-15 is a "battlefield weapon" has their head so far up their ass, they are tickling their tonsils with their tongue...

Is it too much to ask for Democrats to show SOME semblance of intelligence when it comes to firearms??

It's rather ironic.. Those Democrats who ARE familiar with guns, who can talk intelligently about them.. They are PRO gun..

Protesters!!??? At a Democrat Party debate!!???

But!!! But!!! UNITY!!!!!????

Biden's "electability" argument is fading and fading fast..

Of course.. Ya'all are watching the same fictional movie.. :D

I laid out the facts for you.

Yer welcome..

As front runner, he still has a big target on his back. This nomination is not going to be a coronation.

As much as Democrats WANT it to be.. :D

If Democrats hate Mitch McConnell so much.....

Did Mitch McConnell Recruit His Opponent?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/13/did_mitch_mcconnell_recruit_his_opponent_141247.html

Why did they recruit such a shitty candidate to take him down???

EM- I agree with much of your Iraq:Biden assessment, but IMHO Iraq is not Biden's biggest problem. His front runner status, his age (or maybe other people's age bias?), and some rather weak performances in earlier debates that raised concern about his mental sharpness are his biggest problems. Biden showed focus this round and had a good night. As front runner, he still has a big target on his back. This nomination is not going to be a coronation.

Biggest losers: the protesters. Enunciate!

Sidney Powell’s Latest Motion In Michael Flynn’s Case Is A Russiagate Bombshell

Lawyer Sidney Powell’s bigger plan is to expose the breadth and depth of SpyGate and how flaying Michael Flynn lay at the heart of the soft coup attempt.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/12/sidney-powells-latest-motion-michael-flynns-case-russiagate-bombshell/

It is my fervent hope that Ms Sidney Powell has a crack security team..

Because those who engineered this attempted coup are going to be gunning for her..

So, in addition to totally ignoring the 2nd Amendment, Beto wants to eviscerate the 4th Amendment..

Well, a prominent Democrat has stated that Democrats hate the Bill Of Rights..

So I guess this is simply an example of that..

Beto did his best debate tonight - the El Paso shooting has centered him and given him sort of a thematic place to work from. I LOVED his answer to whether he'd confiscate assault weapons: a blunt YES. Will it be enough?

Many things wrong with your claim.

First off, there is no such thing as an "assault weapon"...

ANYTHING that can be used as a weapon is an "assault weapon".. A broomstick can be an "assault weapon" insofar as it can be used to assault someone..

"Assault weapon" as it pertains to firearms is a media construct and has absolutely no meaning amongst those who actually KNOW guns..

So, when Beto says he is going to ban "assault weapons" he means he is going to ban all semi-automatic firearms..

Which is a LARGE, VERY large portion of all firearms in America..

One has to wonder.. Has Beto ever heard of the 2nd Amendment??

Has ANYONE on the Left ever heard of the 2nd Amendment??

"Anyone?? Anyone?? Buehler??"

's OK.. Every one here in Weigantia ALSO ignores that it was OBAMA who locked kids in cages and President Trump simply followed the same policy that Obama did, albeit more aggressively because, well.. that's what he was hired to do..

Only a MORON would equate a tweet with bullets that kill innocent people..

I'll reserve judgment on those who actually BELIEVE such bullshit as the two are identical..

And if the issue was IMMIGRATION, then Yang would have a point..

But the issue is **ILLEGAL** immigration, yunno.. crimmigrants... So Yang's story, while heartwarming, is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand..

Which bills would those be??

Closing the mythical gun show loophole?? Gun registration that we already have??

What bills???

Sanders responded by referring to cancer treatment, leading Biden to sharply reply, "I know a lot about cancer — it's personal to me." Brain cancer killed Biden's son Beau four years ago.

WOW.. Bernie got REAL personal and went for Biden's jugular...

So much for the claim that Democrats don't resort to personal attacks.. :^/

Of course the economy or impeachment did not come up..

The economy is doing splendid and Democrats who AREN'T hysterical fanatics know that impeachment is the surest way to guarantee a President Trump re-election..

President Trump... WOW.. That just sounds so awesome!! Didja every think you would EVER hear President Trump... :D

Amid the melee, Pete Buttigieg offered an exit ramp from the feuding as he criticized the Democrats for "scoring points against each other" -- prompting Julian Castro to interject, "That's called an election!"

Try as they might, Democrat Candidates simply could NOT keep the focus on President Trump..

Debate descends into melee over health care, Obama, socialism as Dems struggle to show unity
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-debate-houston-biden-warren

By the time the Dems actually pick a champion they are gonna be so broken and battle-worn, they will be a push-over for President Trump...

OK... Beto wants to ban the AR-15 simply because of the name???

What about the hunting rifle that has the EXACT same capacity, uses the EXACT same ammo, has the EXACT same fire power..

The ONLY difference between an AR-15 and the Ruger Mini 14 is that the AR has black plastic outer shell and the Ruger Mini 14 has a wood grain base...

So, Beto is going to ban one because it looks scary and has sticky outty thingies and is going to OK the other one even though it has the exact same firepower and the exact same magazine capacity as the AR-15..

Somone.. ANYONE.. Can you explain the logic of that?? Explain the logic of banning a rifle **SOLELY** because of the way it looks??

No. No one CAN explain the logic of that because there simply IS NO logic in that..

NONE.. ZERO.. ZILCH... NADA.....

:eyeroll:

So much for Democrats forgoing personal attacks..

Earlier in the day, Trump said he’d likely have to watch a re-run because of travel conflict. He predicted the Democratic nominee would ultimately be Biden, Warren or Sanders.

Once again, the overall winner of this debate was President Trump.. :D

O’Rourke noted that there weren’t enough ambulances at times to take all the wounded to the hospital.

“Hell yes, we’re gonna take your AR-15, your AK-47,” he said as the crowd cheered.

Yea?? Based on what criteria??

You see, this is were Democrats ALWAYS fall apart. They are big on emotional hysterical ignorant proclamations.. Yet when it comes down to actual FACTS, they are left speechless..

Based on the FACTS, here is what a Democrat Gun Ban would look like:

Any firearm that looks scary and shoots lots of bullets and has 1 or more sticky outty thingies will be banned.

THAT is what a Dumbocrat gun ban will look like..

Democrats are LAUGHABLE in their ignorance..

I can sum it up in one word..

PUMA :D

Liberal, moderate divide on display in Democratic debate

HOUSTON (AP) — Joe Biden parried attack after attack from liberal rivals Thursday night on everything from health care to immigration in a debate that showcased profound ideological divides between the Democratic Party’s moderate and progressive wings.
https://apnews.com/efa3405d69ec46b38d375924d63cb404

Where was this alleged unity??

Last night, it was no where to be found.. :D

Given this FACT, A> there is NO WAY Texas will EVER go Blue... and B> there is NO WAY that a Democrat will win the election in 2020...

And it should be noted that the Dem candidate to BAN fossil fuels is VIDEO TAPED and ON THE RECORD...

So, there will be NO WIGGLE ROOM whatsoever to back pedal for the eventual nominee..

And we have no society NOW without fossil fuels..

Here is a list of many of the things we will lose if Democrats ban oil.

Pleas note that this is simply a PARTIAL list..

Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each!

Here are some of the ways petroleum is used in our every day lives. All plastic is made from petroleum and plastic is used almost everywhere: in cars, houses, toys, computers and clothing. Asphalt used in road construction is a petroleum product as is the synthetic rubber in the tires. Paraffin wax comes from petroleum, as do fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, phonograph records, photographic film, furniture, packaging materials, surfboards, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, upholstery, and carpet backing. Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes

And, Biden got personal assurances from Secretary Powell and President Bush that giving the president strong congressional support for authorization to go to war was to be used to force the UN Security Council to put weapons inspectors back into Iraq and avoid war.

I remember the debate at the time in the senate and there were all sorts of debating points about how this authorization would be used by the president. Biden's floor debates are instructive.

So, Biden was opposed immediately to how President Bush mishandled the authority he was given before exhausting all muscular diplomatic efforts through the UN. And, make no mistake, these efforts were underway between the time of congressional authorization and bombs over Iraq. In other words, war wasn't inevitable to all the players.

Biden did support the war for a short period of time because he supported the troops. As soon as chaos began to reign because there weren't nearly enough troops to win and keep the peace when the Saddam regime collapsed, then Biden called for a surge and kept advocating for a surge until it was too late for US troops to be in a position to stop the chaos, no matter how many they were.

Before the time that a troop surge became counterproductive, Biden began working on a strategy for US policy in Iraq in an effort to end US military involvement there. His plan for US policy in Iraq to support a new Iraqi government based on federalism was adopted by the US Senate in September of 2007 by a vote of 75-23 in what was called a non-binding Sense of the Senate resolution.

Unfortunately, the Bush/CHENEY administration engaged in a classic case of looking a gift horse in the mouth and wrongly called Biden's plan 'partition' from the get-go and that, sadly for Iraq, was the end of that.

As far as I know, Senator Biden was the only human being on the planet who was devoted to finding a practical solution to the Iraq problem (Leslie Gelb was not that involved) that all sides would find acceptable. And, no other presidential candidate in 2004 was working on any such thing. That kind of devotion to making things right should count for something on the Iraq file.