do i still think gun control was the wrong discussion for the sandy hook shooting? sure i do. adam lanza was severely mentally disturbed, and the guns he used were not his. at least in that case, mental health care and correcting the reagan era de-institutionalization of the severely mentally ill is definitely more relevant.

the more recent tragedies i'm not sure about, as i don't have enough information to make a reasoned judgment. as i also said back then, it's still a worthwhile discussion to have. should gun owners be held responsible for carelessly granting access to their mentally ill relatives? should insurance be required to cover the damages that result from such oversights? damned if i know the answer, but i know we shouldn't stop asking the questions.

JL

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Fundraising before the bodies of El Paso and Dayton are even cold..

Disgusting does not do it justice...

Yea.. It's all Trump's fault.. :eyeroll: morons...

Discussing the shooting in a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, the guests said they were surprised to learn that Walmart, currently the largest seller of handguns and firearms in the country, is actually a "gun-free zone" for customers.

I pretty much ignore any NO GUNS ALLOWED signs. Unless it has the force of law behind it or I am in a location that has armed personnel to handle threats, I am carrying.

As El Paso proved, Wal Mart does NOT have adequate security personnel to handle threats...

I always carry in WalMart...

Gun Free Zones are "soft targets".. They might as well advertise We're Friendly To Mass Shooters.. Come On In and Massacre Everyone!!

"All this does is galvanize the interest and reinvigorate making America great again," said Huddleston.

Yep.. Every time a scumbag Democrats does something moronic and heinous like this, a thousand new Trump voters are created...

"We convened together as a family and talked about situational awareness, exit strategy, avoiding and exiting conflict, talked about staying low and close to home and just being at our very highest senses," said Huddleston.

Considering the disgusting attacks my children and grandchildren have had to endure from scumbag Democrats in here, I feel for the guy...

If he's smart, he will be carrying and endeavor to take out any threats to his family's well-being..

As I am....

Remind me again how peaceful and tolerant Democrats are???

I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS to the contrary...

Another politician accused by Giuffre is George Mitchell, the former Democratic leader of the Senate and Bill Clinton’s Special Envoy for Northern Ireland (and later President Obama’s envoy to the Middle East). Mitchell built a renowned legacy as a statesman. In a 2003 profile of Epstein for Vanity Fair, the former Senator and Army counterintelligence officer praised Epstein: “He has supported some philanthropic projects of mine and organized a fund-raiser for me once. I would certainly call him a friend and a supporter.” The feeling was mutual, with Epstein regarding Mitchell as “the world’s greatest negotiator.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-unsealed-documents-name-powerful-men-in-sex-ring

Looks like Democrats are up to their eyeballs with Jeffery Epstein connections..

I wish I could say it was surprising, but it's really not..

On Monday, the befuddled 76-year-old bungled the locations of the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings when he expressed sympathy for the “tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before.”

Poor Biden.. He's running on fumes...

Where ya been!!! My stats are getting stale.. You were supposed to keep all the Michale-Obsessed group up to date with my posting stats...

Get with the program, son....

“Yikes…have fun mitigating that one,” he tweeted.

Yea, I actually feel sorry for Biden..

But his Trump hate overrode his common sense.. He has no one to blame but himself...

Yea.. Biden has a shot at the nominee!!! :D

Joshua, still waiting to hear from ya.. :D

Once again... Democrats are dancing to President Trump's tune.. :D

How perfect that you would make threats of real life violence and then run away like the pussy you are..

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Once again, ya'all prove how I live rent free in ya'all's head..

Ya'all can't argue the facts so you attack the person.

AND the person's kids and grandkids.

What a bunch of lusers..

It must have made listeners laugh back then. Reading his comic posts make me laugh now.

Is this a joke? Did he really send a kiss ass letter to his best buddy.

So I heard from a post by Russ. I think the so-called "LEO" and "investigator" has failed to factor in the fact that Donald Trump has no use for criminals like Mike the admitted criminal and jailbird.

Maybe I have not been paying attention. But then I dont spend 20 hours a day here like our LEO.

I'll add you to the growing list of posters here that read the fake cop's shit purely for comic relief and nothing more. Welcome, Patrick! :)

How perfect that you’d lie about being former law enforcement in your letter to Trump! One liar to another, huh?

Is this a joke? Did he really send a kiss ass letter to his best buddy.

Maybe I have not been paying attention. But then I dont spend 20 hours a day here like our LEO.

As opposed to you being Daddy's little cockholster???

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Oh...

I thought you were blocking me, crack whore???

"I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
-Victoria, Daddy's Little CockHolster

Once again, Daddy' Little CockHolster is proven to be a liar... :D

Or an LEO who would post the names of his wife, children, and grandchildren all over an archived forum?

Or that a crack whore prostitute would attack a man grandchildren because she disagrees with him politically..

Of the two, it's YOU who comes out looking like a total scumbag and waste of skin..

Seriously, Victoria.. Why don't you eat a bullet.. You would make your family SO much happier if you just ended your life...

Oh that's right.. Yer afraid of guns.. Go jump in front of a train or off a building.. Everyone in this world would be better off if you just ended your life..

Go for it.. It's the best thing you can do for your family...

Someone should also inform the inveterate imbecile that this presidential endorsement of the idea that words can contribute to "anger and rage" and can cause "terrible problems" applies equally if not more so to the language of the President of the United States.

Thanks for the admission of culpability, Chump!

"I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
-Victoria, Daddy's Little CockHolster

Once again, Victoria is proven to be a liar..

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As a former LEO and former military member (US Air Force & US Army), you have my complete loyalty and support. ~ Michael

Love, Your Trump Cock Holstering Cultist Whore

How perfect that you’d lie about being former law enforcement in your letter to Trump! One liar to another, huh?

A letter to Trump?! I would wager that Michael didn't reveal that he's a confessed criminal and all that other criminal activity that landed him in Shithole. I would also wager he'd sign a real letter to Trump with his fake name.

Hey, Russ, do you know any LEO who is stupid enough to believe that changing the spelling of their first name by simple transposition of letters would conceal their identity enough to post it all over a forum? *laughs*

Or an LEO who would post the names of his wife, children, and grandchildren all over an archived forum?

I could go on, but you get the idea. :)

So, what you are saying is I was right when I posted a few days ago that Yang qualifies..

I'll take it.. :D

How perfect that you’d lie about being former law enforcement in your letter to Trump! One liar to another, huh?

Any facts to support I am lying??

Of course not..

Figgers..

What can you expect from a cockholster.. :eyeroll: moron..

It's already been posted.

And, since ya'all didn't refute it, that means it's factually accurate..

Ya'all's rules..

And proof that Moscow Mitch hates these nicknames is readily available.

Then you don't have ANY problem posting it, right???

:eyeroll: moron

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/08/06/post-debate-polling-trickles-in-and-our-new-contest/#comment-142043

-CW

As a former LEO and former military member (US Air Force & US Army), you have my complete loyalty and support.

How perfect that you’d lie about being former law enforcement in your letter to Trump! One liar to another, huh?

The Media has a big responsibility to life and safety in our Country. Fake News has contributed greatly to the anger and rage that has built up over many years. News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse! ~ Donald J. Trump August 5, 2019

Someone should remind him Fox News dropped "Fair and Balanced" 2 years ago.

Someone should also inform the inveterate imbecile that this presidential endorsement of the idea that words can contribute to "anger and rage" and can cause "terrible problems" applies equally if not more so to the language of the President of the United States.

Thanks for the admission of culpability, Chump!

Heh. :)

I know, right!?

Ordered these for my bar:

https://store.kydemocrats.org/moscow-mitch-moscow-mule-mug/

— Donald J. Trump August 5, 2019

Someone should remind him Fox News dropped "Fair and Balanced" 2 years ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/moscow-mitch-merchandise-sales-top-200000-in-48-hours-kentucky-dems-say

OK I repent. There is a God. And this is from foxnews.

What an f'n asshole, He goes there to show support and winds up calling people names.

Yep.

Their news conference after I left for El Paso was a fraud. It bore no resemblance to what took place with those incredible people that I was so lucky to meet and spend time with. They were all amazing! ~ Donald Trump

So what were Brown and Whaley's statements that "misrepresented" that hospital visit in Dayton?

He was received well by the patients, as you'd expect. They're hurting. He was comforting. He did the right things and Melania did the right things. And it's his job in part to comfort people. I'm glad he did it in those hospital rooms. ~ Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown,

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I think the victims and the first responders were grateful that the President of the United States came to Dayton. ~ Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley

First, Trump wants to be the victim on a day he's supposed to be comforting actual victims. He's whining yet again like a fucking toddler and seeking attention for himself and his own pathetic ego. Second, how far up his own ass does Trump's head have to be to cry like a baby about people "misrepresenting" his hospital visit when they said nice things? Imbecile!

Proof that Dayton was antiFa?

And proof that Moscow Mitch hates these nicknames is readily available.

Facts to support??

No???

Figgers...

This!

He doesn't like being called #MoscowMitch.

It hits too close to the bone deep corruption.

Yep.

According to Democrat morons, Dr Alveda King, whose uncle is Dr Martin Luther King...

According to ya'all, Dr King is a racist...

ANOTHER fact that you lusers (NEN) can't address..

ALL these facts and you are totally stymied...

No wonder ya'all are PWNED....

None (NEN) of ya'all have condemned the baseball practice shooting...

NONE of ya'all have condemned the Dayton antifa terrorist attack..

NONE of ya'all have condemned the Tacoma antifa terrorist attack..

NONE of ya'all have condemned antifa at all.

By YA'ALL'S own definition, that means ya'all support antifa terrorists and ya'all support mass shooters as long as they are Democrats..

The facts are clear...

I don't NEED any more... Low life scum like you CHEERED the baseball shooter.. Since you don't deny, that makes it factually accurate.

I ALSO have the Dayton shooter who was a Warren supporter AND an antifa follower..

The El Paso shooter??

Had a LOT more in common with Democrats than he had with President Trump and Trump supporters.

All these are FACTS..

That YOU ignore because you have no response to them, other than more bigoted bullshit..

Typical Democrat scumbags.. Can't wait to use dead bodies as Party bludgeons..

Disgusting, the whole lot of them..

And ya'all STILL ignore the Warren supporter and AntiFa terrorist who killed 9 in Dayton..

Patrick, I bet you even cheered on the scumbag who tried to kill Republicans at baseball practice, didn't you..

What a low-life waste of skin you are...

Factually NOT accurate..

But what do you expect from Huffpoop and a piece of shit like Patrick..

This clown is a total embarrassment to our country.

Yes, Obama was...

But fortunately we have President Trump now.. Fixing all of Odumbo's mistakes..

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-unity-shootings-twitter_n_5d4c2403e4b09e7297425896

This clown is a total embarrassment to our country.

Dayton Shooter...

'nuff said..

You want to ignore the shooter that was a Democrat...

Why is that?

Because you don't really care about the victims of mass shootings unless you can pin it on President Trump..

What a low-life piece of shit you are..

What an f'n asshole, He goes there to show support and winds up calling people names.

Oh fuck you, you dipshit moron..

YOU people have been calling President Trump names all fucking week..

NOW you whine and bitch because he responds in kind??

Fuck you, dipshit..

What an f'n asshole, He goes there to show support and winds up calling people names.

Remind me again how it's the Democrat Party who is all about peace and love and tolerance??

I seem to have forgotten, what with all the FACTS to the contrary.... :eyeroll:

His worries about immigration was a small part of the manifesto.. And yes.. It's possible that President Trump might have influenced such thoughts.

But the much larger part of the manifesto proves said scumbag was worried about many MANY other things..

Automation causing job losses.. He openly supported UBI... He railed against oil drilling and fracking.. He was hysterical about college debt.. Was a recycling nazi... Groused on and on about sustainability.. And, of course, culling the herd to save the environment...

ALL of these concepts are borne of DEMOCRAT rhetoric...

We already know that the Dayton scumbag shooter was AntiFa and a Warren supporter...

Once we dig past the surface, we find that the El Paso scumbag had a LOT more in common with Democrats than he had with President Trump...

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

If now is not the time for Washington to come together, when would be?

Sadly, probably not ever....

Schumer is especially disappointing. Soon after the election, he talked of making deals with his pal Donald and, for his trouble, got midnight demonstrations outside his Brooklyn apartment. “F–k Chuck,” the mob cleverly shouted, and he folded and joined the resistance.

Democrats are going to be the big losers in all of this..

And there are more than a couple people in here who realize this..

The result: Democrats branded Trump a racist — Joe Biden even invoked the KKK — and many insisted that the president was to blame for the turmoil in American society. Not one offered to meet him halfway on guns, background checks, the internet, video games or mental health.

Sadly, this is today's Democrat Party.. :eyeroll:

Democrats would rather see a THOUSAND mass shootings than EVER work with President Trump....

#sad

That's how Democrats roll..

"We MUST politicize these tragedies."
-Barack Hussein Obama

The answer to these questions is of course not. While the rhetoric used by these prominent Democrats is horrifying, they are not to blame. But they also can’t have it both ways: If Trump is responsible for El Paso, then Democrats are responsible for Dayton.

It works both ways people..

All of you who preach the hateful rhetoric must own up to your responsibility for causing the Dayton shooting..

Exactly...

As my freely and legally elected president, you also have MY full and complete support.

However, if you were not such an asshole of a human being, not such an economic ignoramus, and not borderline illiterate, my full and complete support would also be enthusiastic!

Hehe... That's what I like about you, CRS..

You can see past Party agendas and ideological slavery and act like an American...

Kudos...

So, whose yer choice for the Democrat nominee??

Replace "McConnell" with any Democrat and your accusation STILL works..

Funny how that is, eh? :eyeroll:

Donald Trump can’t win.

This is just madness. When the president’s foes are so determined to paint him as the devil, they only hurt themselves and help him.

HHPTDS rears it head again.. :eyeroll:

Apparently not.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/anti-pork-senators-warn-potential-return-earmarks

Senate rules and earmarks (by any name) go together like peas and carrots. I like to think of it as "engineered corruption." US Constitution, Article 1, Section 5, Clause 2: "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings"

This is roughly the equivalent of "The inmates shall police the asylum."

McConnell has mastered the system for his own gain and his constituents gain - everybody else can just go to Hell.

Moscow Mitch is not unique - it's an old political trope in the House and Senate.

Another study, of 1,037 people in New Zealand, found those who used cannabis at ages 15 and 18 had higher rates of psychotic symptoms at age 26 than non-users.

Yea, let's demonize guns and glorify pot..

What could go wrong??

Yea.. GUNS are the problem.. :eyeroll:

As my freely and legally elected president, you also have MY full and complete support.

However, if you were not such an asshole of a human being, not such an economic ignoramus, and not borderline illiterate, my full and complete support would also be enthusiastic!

Gun sales surge fueled by first-timers, mostly for ‘concealed’ pistols
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-sales-surge-fueled-by-first-timers-mostly-for-concealed-pistols

Democrats prove why they are the best gun salesmen on the planet... :D

Yea.. They're politicians.. It's what they do..

If the Democrats gain power in 2020 the excuses will start-

Oh, you don't have to worry about that..

It's likely we will never see another Democrat POTUS in our lifetime..

BAN KNIVES!!!!! BAN KNIVES!!!!!! BAN KNIVES!!!!!!

If only there had been an armed citizen to take him down...

Mr President,

Sincerely,

The bump stock ban was ridiculous and will do absolutely NOTHING to save lives..

It was nothing but a placebo to give the impression that something was being done..

However, even as useless as it was, SOME people in here can give credit where credit is due..

"That's the most impressive change in gun law since 1986, and -- again, to his credit -- it came from Donald Trump's administration.
-Chris Weigant

But it PROVES that President Trump will buck the NRA if he feels it's the right thing to do...

Wouldn't it be nice if MORE people here in Weigantia could give President Trump credit when it's due.

Would definitely result in 2/3rds less comments from me..

So much for the claim that President Trump is beholden to the NRA...

Another piece of Democrat bullshit refuted and debunked by FACTS...

being shot down by white supremacist terrorists

Actually, the El Paso scumbag was a Democrat eco-terrorist who has the same ideas about "culling the herd" as many Democrats do...

There is ALSO the fact that the Dayton shooter was an AntiFa terrorist...

A couple of FACTS that totally negates your fear-mongering hysterical bullshit.....

and obstructs efforts to stop foreign governments from interfering in our elections,

You mean, like Democrats who fight tooth and nail against voter ID???

And if there is ANY person who is an EXPERT on buttplugs, it would be our very own cockholster, Russ... :D

Wow.. El Paso Scumbag shooter is a Democrat!!!

So, it was DEMOCRAT rhetoric that caused the El Paso shooting..

Nothing that President Trump said..

Once again.. Nothing but facts...

For all of Obama’s power as a speaker and his skill as a writer (and that of the speechwriters who helped him), your memory of that last one might not be as clear as the others. That could be because it was one of many addresses Obama had to give after a horrific mass shooting (Dallas and Charleston were two others), but it also could be because in the end, for all his efforts to unify the country, the country simply refused. Or at least much of it did.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/barack-obama-cant-help-us/ar-AAFqhtE

Offered without comment...

President Trump has unequivocally and without reservation condemned white supremacist groups and their violence and terrorism..

Compare that to the number of Democrats (ZERO) who have condemned AntiFa and THEIR violence and terrorism..

Not only do Democrat *NOT* condemn the AntiFa terrorists...

Democrats **COMMEND** them as being "courageous Americans"...

And, somehow, President Trump is the bad guy??

On what planet???

We're fighting one another for one simple reason: Too many on the political left have become accustomed to castigating the character of those who disagree with the left on policy. Favor tougher border controls? This puts you on the side of the white supremacist terrorist. Believe in Second Amendment rights? You're a vicious, violent cretin covering for those who commit acts of evil. Cite Western civilization as a source of our common values, believe that police forces across the United States are not systemically racist, favor smaller government intervention in the social sphere -- in short, disagree with the program of the American left? Most of all, consider voting for Trump? You're an accessory to murder.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/07/why_cant_we_unify_in_the_face_of_evil_140959.html

Tis sad, tis true... Tis true, tis sad...

Holding guns responsible for Sandy Hook is as idiotic as trying to treat an alcoholic by taking away his cigarettes....

Amazing how history repeats itself..

JL, I would be VERY interested to know if you still believe as you believed Monday, December 17th, 2012 at 16:31 UTC.....

I would also be interested in anyone else's take of JL's comment from back then..

Don't worry, you are responding to JL, not to me.. If that makes it more palatable for ya.. :D

No management arrested for hiring illegals? I call B.S. If you want to stop illegal immigration, put some rich people in jail, and humiliate them with televised perp walks - in one month you can be damn sure real checks on validity will take place in nearly every workplace in the U.S.

This is just kabuki for bigots.

A Weigantian debate on Guns from 7 years ago..

Amazing the difference in tone between then and now..

Insisting that someone with a “brown” or “black” face must endorse a set of ideological precepts (presumably dictated by Ayanna Pressley)—in other words, that one’s skin color ought to determine how one thinks and acts—is textbook racism. Yet while practically every mainstream media outlet is describing, as objective fact, Trump’s various outbursts as “racist,” not a single one has characterized Pressley’s remark in similar fashion.
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/289037/the-lefts-race-war

When it comes to racism, Democrats are in a league all their own..

Not surprising, since the Democrat Party did give this country the KKK...

President Trump's approval rating takes a huge (relatively speaking) jump upwards....

Interesting to note..

President Trump's approval rating is 43.6%..

Odumbo's approval rating at this point in his administration was 43%..

So, basically, President Trump is a better POTUS than Obama.. :D

You can't argue with polls, people. Ya'all SWEAR by them.. :D

How hilarious.. :D

“I’m pretty independent, but I support Trump,” Harwell explained.

Yep.. Castro is finding out his OWN donor base is going to shrink considerably..

This really emphasizes the intense mental deficiency of those who suffer from HHPTDS...

They simply can't CONCEIVE that there are Americans out there who don't hate President Trump as much as they do..

I am betting that Castro, in his WILDEST DREAMS, never even CONSIDERED that someone who donated to him would also donate to President Trump..

This simply shows the depth of Democrats' self-delusion..

“Were his intentions to incite people to picket Bill Miller's barbecue or to come to Don Kuyrkendall’s house, you know, assault my wife, make nasty comments?” Kuyrkendall asked, according to the Examiner. “I'm just hopeful that none of this gets serious and that my grandchildren and children will be not intimidated by this stuff.”

Attacking children and GRANDCHILDREN...

We know, by experience here in Weigantia, that attacking someone's grandchildren IS a Democrat thing.. :^/

"It is just amazing to me that he would do that. ... Then he's calling me a racist because I'm supporting Trump. I mean, this is just ridiculous.” Greehey told the Examiner. “There's a lot of things you don't like about the president and his tweeting, but here Castro is doing the same thing with his tweeting.”

What IS it about Democrats that they are so utterly STOOPID???

Is it a Party thing?? A mental deficiency?? What??

Castro has a unique way of soliciting donors..

He calls them racist.. :eyeroll:

I dare ANYONE here to NOT support any of these actions..

The gunman who killed his sister and eight other people in Dayton, Ohio, before he was slain by police had a history of violent obsessions and previously mused about committing mass murder, an FBI official said on Tuesday.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190806225836-tbkgw

A committed socialist, a member of AntiFa, a Warren supporter and obsessed with violence and mass murder..

Yep... Sounds like the quintessential Democrat...

And we come to find out that the El Paso scumbag shooter's rampage was ALSO prompted by Democrat rhetoric...

Seems like Democrats get the blame for BOTH shootings..

Figgers...

Proof positive that Democrats don't care about the victims of shootings.. They just want to push their agenda..

Democrats probably lost millions of votes by their actions yesterday...

As well they should..

Yea.. And if Democrats obstruct stuff that is GOOD for the country, that makes Democrats morons..

Replace 'Democrats' with 'Republicans' and that is EXACTLY what Weigantians said during Obama's reign...

The words remain the same.. It's only the Partys that change.. :D

Yea, cuz that's worked SOOO well for Dumbocrats in the past, eh?? ;D

But, if he is good at waiting it out, then how can you turn the tables??

Yer not making any sense, Paula..