:D

So, Neal.... President Trump lives fully and completely in your head..

You even follow him on Twitter!!! :D

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http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/07/31/throwdown-in-motown-part-1/

-CW

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

Its a rundown of all the stupid shit Trump does on a daily basis.

Heh. Thanks, Patrick!

This is certainly worthy of a |bookmark|... catchy title too! :)

Thanks Kick. Can you give me the short overview on Liz's logistical issues?

Well, I think I will just say "staffing issues" and leave it at that. Actually, let me do a quick search. Be right back.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-elizabeth-warren-fellowship-applicants-say-campaign-program-was-a-great-scam?ref=scroll

There's a bit of info in there for you. There are similar other issues regarding "practicing what you preach" but nothing I've heard that can't be adjusted and remedied at this early stage. :)

Thanks Kick. Can you give me the short overview on Liz's logistical issues?

Well, I goobed that up too!

The part below the link should read:

I also don't think Bernie can win for the same reason he couldn't win in 2016. I think Liz could still win, but she has some of the same logistical issues Bernie does.

Joe, Liz, Kamala?

I don't think Bernie can win. Mayor Pete is correct that the GOP will paint Democrats as "socialists" regardless of their policy positions. Of course, they always do that so it only becomes an issue if the candidate actually spent a large portion of his political career describing himself and being described as a "socialist."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAcQmfZJDwM

for the same reason he couldn't win in 2016. I think Liz could still win, but she has some of the same logistical issue Bernie does.

problem Bernie does. I think Liz has the same problem, but I'm not willing
I think there are 4: Joe, Liz, Bernie and Kamala.

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

Its a rundown of all the stupid shit Trump does on a daily basis.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1156666164732473345?s=20

Hilarious!

Democrat cop-haters strike again...

Facts to support??

No???

Shocking...

Yet ya'all spent that last couple months being absolutely SURE about everything!!

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Ya'all are so self-deluded, it's laughable....

Hay.. How did that Russia Collusion work out for ya'all??

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Powell's post FMOC interview was way more hawkish than it needed to be and the market dived as soon as he opened his mouth. But you could see it coming when two of the votes were for no change. Nobody was pushing for 0.5% cut from the looks of things.

Bernie, Joe and Liz?

Joe, Liz, Kamala?

I think there are 4: Joe, Liz, Bernie and Kamala.

Anyway, I'm not engaging seriously until it is down to a debate with 5 or less people. This is an exercise in excessive "fairness" to ensure that there isn't a perceived bias like in 2016 - but it has gone on long enough. If you can't get 5% polling, you're out at this point.

Nice rundown.

11. Everyone's looking forward to the "real" debates which will commence AFTER the field is dramatically reduced. Tonight's will be all about Biden vs. Harris but the showdown will be when Biden, Harris, Sanders and Warren are all on stage together.

Yes, this! Around... hmmmmmm… the 6th debate, maybe?

Based on what I've seen so far, I'm already down to believing there's only three of them who could actually win it anyway. Bring on debate 6! :)

History hasn't been kind to Joe McCarthy - and it won't be kind to Trump,

"Where's my Roy Cohn?"

That's cockholster to you... :D

Yes, it is called “presenting the facts”. Will it change enough minds to affect the next election? That is not the point. Would you suggest that stating the truth is only a useful action as long as you can guarantee the results it will produce? Truth should never be used only when it is convenient for those who possess it.

I love you, Russ. :)

Funny how ya'all claim that facts and reality ya'all don't like are nothing but "Republican Framing" or "Republican Talking Points"...

In other words, ya'all got Confirmation Bias up yer asses.. :D

10. Beto should run for Senate in TX.

Yea, he tried that. Epic fail..

Typical for Dumbocrat..

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1156430085672636418

1. The CNN moderators' questions all used republican framing.
2. The plan seemed to be to try to pit the "moderates" against the "progressives" and, depending on where you stand, you either thought it was legit or stupid.

3. Bernie did very well, especially in the first half.

4. E. Warren did very well and appeared to nudge BS into second place. She was seen as the overall winner by many different observers. There was a CNN focus group post-debate. Out of the 9 people, 8 chose her as the winner. The 9th person made a clearly prepared statement about "moderates" and named 2 of the white guys - I forget who. Several of the others said words to the effect that BS was doing great first half, but in the second half seemed to lapse into his standard stump stuff & that's when he lost them. However, none of them are committed to any candidate yet. They will be commenting on tonight's debate as well.

4. Mayor Pete has 3 or 4 standout moments that are keeping him relevant.

5. Beto and Amy couldn't get much attention or traction. They didn't hurt themselves but probably didn't help themselves either.

6. Marianne Williamson charmed several pundits and others.

7. The moderate white guys tried but are just not resonating with enough people.

8. Warren & Sanders did not attack each other.

9. The moderators' constant cutting candidates off mid-sentence was an irritant.

10. Beto should run for Senate in TX.

11. Everyone's looking forward to the "real" debates which will commence AFTER the field is dramatically reduced. Tonight's will be all about Biden vs. Harris but the showdown will be when Biden, Harris, Sanders and Warren are all on stage together.

12. Worth noting: apparently a bunch of healthcare companies advertised during the debate.

Truth should never be used only when it is convenient for those who possess it.

Yes.

I hope so.

Especially since Odumbo worked WITH the drug companies to keep the prices high...

Congrats to Neil for giving credit where credit is due.. Even to President Trump...

One acknowledgement to facts and reality doesn't erase three years of HHPTDS...

But you have taken your first step on your road to recovery..

As long as you don't relapse, yer well on yer way... :D

Is anyone ready to explain exactly how President Trump's Baltimore are racist??

Or, are ya'all just admitting that Dumbocrats throw out racist accusations at the drop of a dime, regardless of any non-factual basis???

Ten Democrats faced off in the first of two debates in Detroit, Mich., competing to take on President Trump in the 2020 election.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jason-chaffetz-dem-debate-trump-stronger-than-ever-politically

Yep... President Trump is going to sail thru re-election easily...

Failed Trump Prediction # 120,765,439

What part of YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WRONG ABOUT TRUMP do you not understand??

If I were the Trump family I'd be a lot more worried about what future Republicans will do to him than Democrats.

Yea, if you were Trump, you would always be winning..

But yer just a whiney Dumbocrat so yer always losing..

Trumpism will haunt the Republican Party for a generation.

Failed Trump Prediction # 120,765,440

:eyeroll:

Howz that Russia Collusion delusion workin' out for ya, Neil??

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Services companies utterly dominate our economy now, manufacturing and ag are small in comparison: services jobs account for more than 80 percent of U.S. private-sector employment, or 89.7 million jobs - source: BEA.

Services companies compete on the skills of their employees, and the most powerful jobs require higher education.

The better educated in our society are not happy with Trumpism and are not interested in supporting it via their work activities. Unemployment for graduates is significantly lower than that of high school level workers and high school drop outs (2.1% vs 3.9% and 5.7% respectively), and trust me, finding well qualified people in the U.S. right now is hard.

Thus if a significant percentage of the $80K+ employees in a services organization push back on a contract, such as Edelman's above did with the prison company, the services organization will follow the example of Microsoft, Apple, Deloitte, McKinsey, SunTrust, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, BNP Paribas, Wells Fargo, and now Edelman in cutting ties to work that enacts Trumpism-based policies.

Trumpism will haunt the Republican Party for a generation.

Chris Ladd has an interesting take on the push back to Trumpism outside of politics:

Where democracy has failed, something strange and new is emerging.

"According to several employees, Edelman reconsidered because of concerns that news of its relationship with the prison company would be leaked, leaving one of the world’s leading public relations firms with a potential public relations crisis."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/business/edelman-geo-border-detention.html

Yes, it is called “presenting the facts”. Will it change enough minds to affect the next election? That is not the point.

History hasn't been kind to Joe McCarthy - and it won't be kind to Trump, and the people who stood up for the truth against the constant lies from Trump and his minions will have more power because of it.

I also suspect that when Trump loses his power to primary Republican politicians they will get the daggers out and make him pay for what they were put through and how they had to debase themselves for 6 years.

If I were the Trump family I'd be a lot more worried about what future Republicans will do to him than Democrats. He won't be able to claim partisanship against Mitt Romney, Lindsay Graham (who was one of John McCain's best friends), and a lot of other Republicans.

In fact, Lindsay Graham might be debasing himself in the short term to ensure he is still in a position of power when Trump is a political nothing in late 2020.

Hypocrite, thy name is Dumbocrat Party...

This is exactly why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take Humans Cause Global Warming religious fanatics seriously..

THEY don't even believe the bullshit they are spewing...

Remember when MadCow was ya'all's cat's meow when she spewed bullshit about Russia Collusion and Trump's tax returns??

And ya'all fell for it EVERY TIME!! :D

Ahhhh good times.. :D

Clearly unconstitutional..

The US Constitution sets out the requirements for being a Presidential Candidate..

States can't add requirements...

Another example of HHPTDS overriding reason and common sense..

And yet, no one can point to a single solitary FACT that proves it.

All they have is nebulous "code words" and subjective "dog whistles"...

If one relies on magical mystical subjective evidence....

One can "prove" anything they want.. :eyeroll:

The Democrat Party apple sure doesn't fall far from the Racist Tree.... :eyeroll:

The criminal justice plan Biden unveiled last week was a major step in that direction. It takes a decidedly different approach toward law-and-order issues, most notably on the death penalty — which he now calls for eliminating after decades of support for it. For the first time, Biden has also called for the complete elimination of mandatory-minimum sentences at the state and federal level.

Yep.. Sad to see..

Joe Biden is excising everything about Joe Biden that made Joe Biden Joe Biden..

I wish I could say I was surprised.. But, given that Biden ignored the very logical and rational advice to end his political career on a high note...

It's hardly surprising that the Venezuela Democrat Party would drag Joe Biden far to the Left..

Biden’s crime-fighting efforts were once praised by African-American leaders — including by the first black president, Barack Obama, who cited the then-senator’s role in passing the landmark 1994 crime bill when he chose Biden as a running mate in 2008.

This is not longer Biden's Democrat Party..

Hell, this isn't even Barack Hussein Obama's Democrat Party..

This is the Venezuela Democrat Party... :eyeroll:

And there ain't NO WAY that the American people will elect someone from the Venezuela Democrat Party..

NO...... WAY.......

Indicates PERFECTLY how far Left the Democrat Party has gone...

The Philadelphia shooting was not a mass shooting as it is defined..

Don't worry, Paula.. The Philly shooting wasn't in Elijah Cummings district... :eyeroll:

The Philly shooting was gang-related..

By definition, a crowd based mass shooting has, as it's overriding component, random-ness...

It's what makes a CBMS so much more terrifying than a gang shooting or a domestic shooting or some such..

It's so utterly random, it can happen anywhere.. To anyone...

Not so long ago, they were taken seriously as possible nominees and were raking in big donor bucks. Watching them fade so quickly and early, it’s fair to wonder what all the excitement was about.

If Democrats want a (once again) snowball's chance in hell of winning the General Election..

They better hope Biden pulls a rabbit out of the hat..

He said if the nominee advocated for medicare-for-all, free college tuition and other similar giveaways, “it will get Trump re-elected.” He then rattled off a list of previous Democratic nominees who got slaughtered — George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis — with the clear implication that they had all gone too far left.

The voice of reason.. But Democrats are too blinded by hate and HHPTDS to comprehend..

That said, there was enough coherence to notice a pleasant surprise. To wit, Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren had a battle on their hands trying to justify their promises of endless free stuff.

Medicare-for-all was all but ridiculed by five of their opponents. Granted, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Steven Bullock and former Gov. John Hickenlooper, congressman Tim Ryan and former congressman John Delaney are also-rans at this point, but they consistently injected notes of common sense into the fray.

Who would have thunked it..

THat a Dim candidate for POTUS could actually sound rational and reasonable...

Mind boggling..

But then, against socialists and communists.... ANYONE could sound rational and reasonable..

Medicare-for-all was all but ridiculed by five of their opponents. Granted, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Steven Bullock and former Gov. John Hickenlooper, congressman Tim Ryan and former congressman John Delaney are also-rans at this point, but they consistently injected notes of common sense into the fray.

Who would have thunked it..

THat a Dim candidate for POTUS could actually sound rational and reasonable...

Mind boggling..

But then, against socialists and communists.... ANYONE could sound rational and reasonable..

Except that people notice because repeatedly calling the president a racist is obviously a fig leaf designed to hide a lack of substantive arguments. Even the partisan audience in Detroit didn’t seem impressed with the name calling, perhaps because it was coming from 10 white candidates.

The Democrat Party uses the Journo-List playback.

If you don't have a logical or rational argument or don't even have any FACTS to support your case..

Just call the opponent a racist to shut them down..

Yea, good call, Dumbocrats.

The American people are wise to that bullshit...

You lose.. AGAIN...

Ha!!! Shirley, you jest....

Is it me or is Marianne Williamson making a lot of sense?
Williamson’s debate highlights are all of them yet again.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/30/20747997/marianne-williamson-democratic-debate-2020-memes-cnn

Where someone like Marianne Williamson is a serious Dim candidate for POTUS...

:eyeroll:

This is why it's impossible to take Left Wing so-called "fact" check sites seriously..

Their heads are so far up the Left Winger's butts, they haven't seen the light of day their entire existence..

What Faux-chohantas doesn't understand is she will also be fighting against more than two thirds of the American people...

Her policies don't stand ANOTHER snowball's chance in hell of happening. They *ONLY* thing she is doing is making herself un-electable in the General...

That's it...

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together and is NOT enslaved by Party dogma can see that..

Good thing this woman doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being the Dim Nominee..

She might actually give President Trump a run for the gold..

Warren and Sanders fended off one blitz after another from low-polling centrists who repeatedly derided their government-heavy policies as “fairy tale” wish lists that would alienate swing voters, limit Americans’ freedoms and inevitably raise taxes on the middle class.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/31/democratic_debate_winners_and_losers__140896.html

We've seen this movie before..

ELECTABILITY STRIKES BACK

It didn't end too well for the Electability faction.. :D

"Hey guys, you ever see that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back?"
"Jesus Tony, how old is this guy!!"
"I don't know!! I didn't carbon date him!! He's on the young side."
-CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR

That would be you, moron..

So, that fact makes YOU the racist, sunshine..

Not I...

Yep... Democrats are acting *EXACTLY* as they accuse Republicans of acting..

"Yes, I do believe I read that somewhere.."
-Colonel Nathan R Jessup, A FEW GOOD MEN

That's today's Dumbocrat Party!! :D

Hehehehehe Someone doesn't like the Dumbocrat Propaganda Arm.. :D

Remind me again... Of the two of us... WHICH one belongs to the Party that were slave owners and WHICH Party started up the KKK??

That would be you, moron..

Because moronic Dumbocrats like YOU supported them...

You are nothing but a racist mall cop wanna-be reject!

Facts to support, cockholster??

None?? Yea, ain't that ALWAYS the way it is... :D

Using that utterly ridiculous reasoning, President Trump ALSO won the debate.. :eyeroll: Moron...

Tawana Brawley

And you know these people are Democrats how? Black people must be Democrats, right? You are nothing but a racist mall cop wanna-be reject!

We’re five candidates in and so far I feel confident about a Trump re-election.
-Michael Ian Black

This feels like a West Wing episode fucked an auction.
-Bradley Whitford

Back in March of this year, the NY Grime did a story on Baltimore that said much MUCH worse things about Baltimore than President Trump did..

THE TRAGEDY OF BALTIMORE
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/magazine/baltimore-tragedy-crime.html

Funny... I didn't see a SINGLE person here complain about the NY Grime "racism"...

Why is that??

Is it because ya'all only scream "RACISM" when you can use such false bullshit claims to beat someone over the head that has an -R after their name??

The FACTS clearly prove that this is the case.. :eyeroll:

I highly recommend everyone read the whole thing if they are really interested in FACTS..

:D Which excludes most everyone here... :D

Blacks who oppose affirmative action, or Muslims who recognize Israel, or “queers” whose sexual preferences are incidental, not essential to their personas are thus declared not authentic and thus not to be welcomed by Pressley into the new racialist Democratic Party.

Funny how no one here condemned Pressley for her racist comments.

Why is that???

Because racism is perfectly acceptable as long as the Political Party slavery lines up..

:eyeroll:

Phillips succeeded in his quest for universal victim status, media exposure, and the demonization of the Covington school students, despite being quickly exposed as a faker who never set foot in Vietnam and a serial racial provocateur.

Another perfect example of lying Democrats and the sheep that follow...

Smollett, himself half-white, accused an innocent large segment of the U.S. population as racist without any worry of the consequences from such false charges. And rightly so: Smollett has faced little pushback, remains in the news, and believes that no one ultimately will dare to charge him as a racist who committed a hate-crime.

When you get right down to it, that is EXACTLY accurate..

Smollett is a racist who committed a hate crime..

But he gets a pass because he is a Trump/America hater who has a -D after his name..

Funny how that is, eh?? :eyeroll:

And this EXACTLY illustrates the problem perfectly.

The racist will ALWAYS play the race card.. Even though the connection to race is tenuous to non-existent..

The George Zimmerman shooting proved that beyond ANY doubt....

In that incident, race had nothing to do with anything..

And yet, the Hysterical Democrats played the race card..

That is, the racist who for a variety of reasons lobs “Racist!” at others assumes that, even when his tired charges are proven false, in our postmodern society he can argue that these accusations in theory always could be true, and therefore no one would ever accuse a self-identified victim as a racist perpetrator himself.

It's funny how many FALSE accusations of racism come from Democrats...

Jussie Smolletts

Tawana Brawley

North Carolina Lacrosse team

Journo-list

Occasional Cortex

Cory Booker

Kamela Harris

Elijah Cummings

The list of false accusations of racism is endless....

While such racist projectionism can often be a psychological tic that assuages the guilt of one’s own rank prejudice, just as often accusing others of racism is a peremptory careerist move to win media attention, lucre, or job advancement.

Ahhh... That explains a lot..

The Democrat Party is merely trying to distract from it's racist roots by pretending that OTHER people are racist..

Makes sense..

Best depiction of the Democrat Debates.. :D

In my life I’ve spent multiple seasons, time, and resources going to the actual third world. The heartbreak in places like Haiti, Guatemala, Ghana and the Congo, is that they have no opportunity to make their lives better. Those economies are largely run by corrupt governments whose only ambition is to use public office to enrich themselves. A lot like Cummings, Sanders, and Pelosi have done.

The facts are clear.. President Trump was dead on ballz accurate with his tweets about Baltimore..

And, true to form, when Democrats are confronted with their own corruption and incompetence, factually supported..???

They play the race card... :eyeroll:

And according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report and as reported in the USA Today (from Feb 19, 2019), the top 10 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrats.

Facts don't lie...

Democrats can't govern fer shit.. As if we didn't know that after the Odumbo 8-year fiasco..

None of the elected officials seem to know—much less care.

How can Democrats claim they want to clean up the country when they can't even clean up their own cities???

Rep. Cummings, while being very obsessed with Russia, seems utterly bewildered with the idea that anyone could dare question why so many billions of federal dollars flow to places like West Baltimore when they are obviously doing no good.

Newsflash for ya'all here....

Just because one lay out the FACTS about a person who happens to be black, doesn't make one racist...

We come to find out that it just ain't Baltimore..

The top 10 rat-infested cities are ALL Democrat shitholes..

Why Do Democrats Run All Of The Dangerous And Rodent Infested Cities?
https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2019/07/28/why-do-democrats-run-all-of-the-dangerous-and-rodent-infested-cities-n2550734

And not a SINGLE person here can explain exactly how President Trump's Baltimore tweets are "racist"... :eyeroll:

“Do we move forward with these idealized proposals that are going to beg opposition and make it easier for Donald Trump to make his case and win re-election when the stakes are so high?” Axelrod added. “This is what a lot of Democrats are worried about.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-obama-aide-warns-dems-medicare-for-all-immigration-proposals-unpopular-with-democratic-voters

There is simply NO WAY to get around the FACTS..

All Dem candidates are taking position that will GUARANTEE that they will lose in the General election...

This is fact..

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Of course nobody mentioned him..

Because the 2 morons who attacked him won't be on the stage til tonight...

DUH......

"Did IQs suddenly drop while I was away???"
-Ripley, ALIENS

Yep, exactly...

But Democrats don't care..

Party Purity Uber Alles

As predicted.. :D

Trump sees his base growing from Democratic sparring
The president’s reelection campaign hopes to use some of the Democratic presidential candidates’ most liberal stances to draw new working-class and independent voters to Trump.
politico.com/story/2019/07/30/donald-trump-democratic-2020-sparring-1440498

The numbers don't lie – Trump movement growing by putting America first
cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2019/07/29/numbers-dont-lie-trump-movement-growing-putting-america-first/1855914001/

TRUMP EFFECT
NBC News poll of the South: Voters' support for Trump grows, residents see race relations improving
nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/nbc-news-poll-south-voters-support-trump-grows-residents-see-n1031851

Growing Movement of Black Conservatives Supporting Trump—Pastor Mark Burns
youtube.com/watch?v=IaQp9BFwvsI

Trump’s Electoral College Edge Could Grow in 2020, Rewarding Polarizing Campaign
Re-election looks plausible even with a bigger loss in the national popular vote.
nytimes.com/2019/07/19/upshot/trump-electoral-college-edge-.html

The Numbers Are Better for Donald Trump Than You Think. Here's Why
time.com/5419515/donald-trump-numbers-reelection/

No matter how you slice the facts, it's clear you GOT no facts to support your bullshit claim that President Trump is losing support..

And, since you refuse to answer how a Democrat candidate who supports Open Borders, Free Full Health Care For Illegal Immigrants, Reparations and yanking ALL Americans off their health care plans is going to appeal to Independents, NPAs and Trump voters.....

It's clear not even YOU believe that Democrats will win in 2020...

:D

With regards to Trump's big win..

Considering that Candidate Trump went into the election with only a 2% chance of winning???

President Trump's win was YYYYUUUGGGGGEEEEEEE..

The BIGGEST upset win in the history of elections..

Spin all ya want.. But facts are facts.. :D

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Yea.. We can sure take the Democrat Party seriously.. :D

No.. It's called "spin"..

Truth should never be used only when it is convenient for those who possess it.

That is REALLY funny, coming from you.. :D

When Democrats start supporting photo ID for voters, then... and ONLY then.. will it be believable that Democrats care about Vote security...

Now's the big test..can he do it in person?

Stay tuned...

Yes, it is called “presenting the facts”. Will it change enough minds to affect the next election? That is not the point. Would you suggest that stating the truth is only a useful action as long as you can guarantee the results it will produce? Truth should never be used only when it is convenient for those who possess it.

CW
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I goobed the number.

My big takeaway was that this was the debate I had been waiting to see since at least 2016: moderation versus boldness. Dream big versus dream small.

Whereas I think there was a preview/hint of that to come, but the current format simply hinders it. The majority of the Democratic coalition voters being moderates, I think it was incumbent on the far lefties to make their case for relitigating the entire healthcare issue, and I don't think they did that... so a draw goes to the moderate Democrats, Independents, and those ex-Republicans voting Democratic now.

I also think "the Bern" has fizzled and shouldn't have agreed to a truce. By the time he figures that out, it'll be too late for him to recover from having done it. Not trying to be brutal... just my honest opinion.

So Joe Biden won without saying a word because nobody took him on tonight. Wonder if he can win tomorrow actually being there!? ;)

All else aside, I was glad Dems finally got to see such a debate, personally.

And I still think that debate you're describing is coming soon to a debate stage in America. I also think either side could still win it, but it's going to be a much harder sell for the far lefties for obvious reasons. Regardless, Biden better be on his toes because Harris and Warren are very good at 'splaining things. :)

My big takeaway was that this was the debate I had been waiting to see since at least 2016: moderation versus boldness. Dream big versus dream small.

All else aside, I was glad Dems finally got to see such a debate, personally.

John M from Ct:

Yeah, I hear you, but it's kind of like working the refs. You may not get your call overturned, but you may influence their next call. Does that make sense?

-CW

“Oh, dear”, says God, “I hadn’t thought of that”, and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

Would that Mitch McConnell and the rest of the modern GOP, confronted by their illogic and contradictions like the one you point out here, would vanish in a puff of logic.

But they don't. They never have. The Dems, bless their sweet sweet souls, have their own share of (less evil) contradictions. No one has argued them out of existence or into consistency either.

What, I wonder, actually drives change and, one hopes, progress in politics? What gets the voters to elect Obama, a basically decent and intelligent man, after eight years of George Bush's rancid buffoonery, and then re-elect him - only to subsequently vote in [sic] Trump, who makes young Bush look both honest and patriotic?

Is there a point to pointing out hypocrisy and dishonesty in the other side? Will it change enough minds to affect the next election, or is it simply a soul-relieving vent?