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From The Archives -- 2007 Candidate Speech Series: John Edwards

[ Posted Friday, July 12th, 2019 – 12:00 UTC ]

[Program Note: While I am away this week attending Netroots Nation, I thought a blast from the past would be entertaining for my readers. In 2007, also while away on vacation, I conducted a journalistic experiment. I contacted the campaigns of all eight Democratic candidates for president and asked them for permission to reprint a transcript of the speech of their choice from their candidate. All responded, although Dennis Kucinich's campaign was unable to provide me with a transcript because he always spoke without notes (I ran one of his white papers instead).

The introduction to this series explained everything, and it is still kind of interesting to read for the inside-baseball points that it made. I should mention that as internet bandwidth improved by leaps and bounds, such an experiment was never necessary again, because by the next contested Democratic nomination, the campaign websites had not only transcripts but videos of each candidates' speeches, for everyone to see.

Anyway, this week I am reprinting five of these speeches, one each day, for your amusement. I begin with the two candidates who are also running again this year, Joe Biden and Mike Gravel. Then I'll move on to the two who lasted until the bitter end, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, as well as the candidate that I personally supported in the race, John Edwards.

What's interesting about reading these speeches again is how times have changed (all Democrats were running against George W. Bush's record, at the time) as well as how things have remained the same (the same themes used today pop up in more than one speech). So sit back and enjoy this nostalgic trip into presidential politics from 12 years ago. I may also be able to post live columns throughout the week, but make no promises on that score (time is a serious constraint during these conferences).

 

Originally published November 16, 2007

John Edwards

John Edwards

 

The Moral Test of Our Generation

Saint Anselm College, Manchester, New Hampshire
10/29/07

 

Many of you know that I am the son of a mill worker -- that I rose from modest means and have been blessed in so many ways in life. Elizabeth and I have so much to be grateful for.

And all of you know about some of the challenges we have faced in my family. But there came a time, a few months ago, when Elizabeth and I had to decide, in the quiet of a hospital room, after many hours of tests and getting pretty bad news -- what we were going to do with our lives.

And we made our decision. That we were not going to go quietly into the night -- that we were going to stand and fight for what we believe in.

As Elizabeth and I have campaigned across America, I've come to a better understanding of what that decision really meant -- and why we made it.

Earlier this year, I spoke at Riverside Church in New York, where, forty years ago, Martin Luther King gave a historic speech. I talked about that speech then, and I want to talk about it today. Dr. King was tormented by the way he had kept silent for two years about the Vietnam War.

He was told that if he spoke out he would hurt the civil rights movement and all that he had worked for -- but he could not take it any more -- instead of decrying the silence of others -- he spoke the truth about himself.

"Over the past two years," he said, "I have moved to break the betrayal of my own silence and speak from the burning of my own heart."

I am not holier than thou. I am not perfect by any means. But there are events in life that you learn from, and which remind you what this is really all about. Maybe I have been freed from the system and the fear that holds back politicians because I have learned there are much more important things in life than winning elections at the cost of selling your soul.

Especially right now, when our country requires so much more of us, and needs to hear the truth from its leaders.

And, although I have spent my entire life taking on the big powerful interests and winning -- which is why I have never taken a dime from Washington lobbyists or political action committees -- I too have been guilty of my own silence -- but no more.

It's time to tell the truth. And the truth is the system in Washington is corrupt. It is rigged by the powerful special interests to benefit the very few at the expense of the many. And as a result, the American people have lost faith in our broken system in Washington, and believe it no longer works for ordinary Americans. They're right.

As I look across the political landscape of both parties today -- what I see are politicians too afraid to tell the truth -- good people caught in a bad system that overwhelms their good intentions and requires them to chase millions of dollars in campaign contributions in order to perpetuate their careers and continue their climb to higher office.

This presidential campaign is a perfect example of how our politics is awash with money. I have raised more money up to this point than any Democratic candidate raised last time in the presidential campaign -- $30 million. And, I did it without taking a dime from any Washington lobbyist or any special interest PAC.

I saw the chase for campaign money at any cost by the frontrunner in this race -- and I did not join it -- because the cost to our nation and our children is not worth the hollow victory of any candidate. Being called president while powerful interests really run things is not the same as being free to lead this nation as president of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If protecting the current established structure in Washington is in your interest, then I am not your candidate. I ran for president four years ago -- yes, in part out of personal ambition -- but also with a deep desire to stand for working people like my father and mother -- who no matter how hard things were for our family, always worked even harder to make things better for us.

But the more Elizabeth and I campaigned this year, the more we talked to the American people, the more we met people just like my father, and hard working people like James Lowe. James is a decent and honest man who had to live for 50 years with no voice in the richest country in the world because he didn't have health care. The more people like him that I met, the more I realized something much bigger was stirring in the American people. And it has stirred in each of us for far too long.

Last month Ken Burns -- who made the great Civil War documentary -- launched his newest epic on World War II on PBS -- and what a story it tells.

At the cost of great suffering, blood and enormous sacrifice, within four years after Pearl Harbor it is incredible what this nation achieved. America built the arsenal of democracy worthy of our great history. We launched the greatest invasion armada in the history of warfare against Hitler's fortress Europe, and, with our allies, we freed a continent of suffering humanity.

At the same time on the other side of the globe we crossed 10,000 miles of ocean and liberated another hemisphere of humanity -- islands and nations freed from the grip of Japanese militarists. While at the same time succeeding in the greatest scientific endeavor ever undertaken -- the Manhattan project -- and topped it off with building the Pentagon, one of the largest buildings in the world in a little over a year.

It is incredible what America has accomplished. Because no matter what extraordinary challenges we have been faced with, we did exactly what America has always done in our history -- we rose to the challenge.

And, now, as I travel across America and listen to people, I hear real concern about what's going on. For the first time in our nation's history, people are worried that we're going to be the first generation of Americans not to pass on a better life to our children.

And it's not the fault of the American people. The American people have not changed. The American people are still the strong, courageous people they have always been. The problem is what our government has become. And, it is up to us to do something about it.

Because Washington may not see it, but we are facing a moral crisis as great as any that has ever challenged us. And, it is this test -- this moral test -- that I have come to understand is at the heart of this campaign.

Just look at what has happened in Iraq. What was the response of the American people to the challenge at hand? Our men and women in uniform have been heroes. They've done everything that's been asked of them and more. But what about our government? Four years after invading Iraq, we cannot even keep the lights on in Baghdad.

When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the American people were at their best. They donated their time and their money in record numbers. There was an outpouring of support. I took 700 college kids down to help -- young people who gave up their spring break. But what about our government? Three years after hurricane Katrina thousands of our fellow Americans, our brothers and sisters, are still housed in trailers waiting to go home.

There's no better example of the bravery and goodness of the American people than the response to the attacks of 9/11: firefighters and first responders risking and too often giving their lives to save others, charging up the stairs while everyone else was coming down; record bloodbank donations; and the list goes on. But what about our government? Six years after 9/11, at Ground Zero there sits only a black hole that tortures our conscience and scars our hearts.

In every instance we see an American people who are good, decent, compassionate and undeterred. And, American people who are better than the government that is supposed to serve and represent them.

And what has happened to the American "can do" spirit? I will tell you what has happened: all of this is the result of the bitter poisoned fruit of corruption and the bankruptcy of our political leadership.

It is not an accident that the government of the United States cannot function on behalf of its people, because it is no longer our people's government -- and we the people know it.

This corruption did not begin yesterday -- and it did not even begin with George Bush -- it has been building for decades -- until it now threatens literally the life of our democracy.

While the American people personally rose to the occasion with an enormous outpouring of support and donations to both the victims of Katrina and 9/11 -- we all saw our government's neglect. And we saw greed and incompetence at work. Out of more than 700 contracts valued at $500,000 or greater, at least half were given without full competition or, according to news sources, with vague or open-ended terms, and many of these contracts went to companies with deep political connections such as a subsidiary of Halliburton, Bechtel Corp., and Ashbritt, Inc.

And in Iraq -- while our nation's brave sons and daughters put their lives on the line for our country -- we now have mercenaries under their own law while their bosses sit at home raking in millions.

We have squandered millions on building Olympic-size swimming pools and buildings that have never been used. We have weapons and ammunition unaccounted for that may now be being used against our own soldiers. We literally have billions wasted or misspent -- while our troops and their families continue to sacrifice. And the politically connected lobby for more. What's their great sacrifice -- higher profits?

It goes on every minute of every day.

Corporate executives at United Airlines and US Airways receive millions in compensation for taking their companies into bankruptcy, while their employees are forced to take cuts in pay.

Companies like Wal-Mart lobby against inspecting containers entering our nation's ports, even though expert after expert agrees that the likeliest way for a dirty bomb to enter the United States is through a container, because they believe their profits are more important than our safety. What has become of America when America's largest company lobbies against protecting America?

Trade deals cost of millions of jobs. What do we get in return? Millions of dangerous Chinese toys in our children's cribs laden with lead. This is the price we are made to pay when trade agreements are decided based on how much they pad the profits for multinational corporations instead of what is best for America's workers or the safety of America's consumers.

We have even gotten to the point where our children's safety is potentially at risk because nearly half of the apple juice consumed by our children comes from apples grown in China. And Americans are kept in the dark because the corporate lobbyists have pushed back country of origin labeling laws again and again.

This is not the America I believe in.

The hubris of greed knows no bounds. Days after the homeland security bill passed, staffers from the Homeland Security Department resigned and became homeland security consultants trying to cash in. And, where was the outrage? There was none, because that's how it works in Washington now. It is not a Republican revolving door or a Democratic revolving door -- it is just the way it's done.

Someone called it a government reconnaissance mission to figure out how to get rich when you leave the government.

Recently, I was dismayed to see headlines in the Wall Street Journal stating that Senate Democrats were backing down to lobbyists for hedge funds who have opposed efforts to make millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers pay the same tax rate as every hard-working American. Now, tax loopholes the wealthy hedge fund managers do not need or deserve are not going to be closed, all because Democrats -- our party -- wanted their campaign money.

And a few weeks ago, around the sixth anniversary of 9/11, a leading presidential candidate held a fundraiser that was billed as a Homeland Security themed event in Washington, D.C. targeted to homeland security lobbyists and contractors for $1,000 a plate. These lobbyists, for the price of a ticket, would get a special "treat" -- the opportunity to participate in small, hour-long breakout sessions with key Democratic lawmakers, many of whom chair important subcommittees of the Homeland Security Committee. That presidential candidate was Senator Clinton.

Senator Clinton's road to the middle class takes a major detour right through the deep canyon of corporate lobbyists and the hidden bidding of K Street in Washington -- and history tells us that when that bus stops there it is the middle class that loses.

When I asked Hillary Clinton to join me in not taking money from Washington lobbyists -- she refused. Not only did she say that she would continue to take their money, she defended them.

Today Hillary Clinton has taken more money from Washington lobbyists than any candidate from either party -- more money than any Republican candidate.

She has taken more money from the defense industry than any other candidate from either party as well.

She took more money from Wall Street last quarter than Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and Barack Obama combined.

The long slow slide of our democracy into the corporate abyss continues unabated regardless of party, regardless of the best interests of America.

We have a duty -- a duty to end this.

I believe you cannot be for change and take money from the lobbyists who prevent change. You cannot take on the entrenched interests in Washington if you choose to defend the broken system. It will not work. And I believe that, if Americans have a choice, and candidate who takes their money -- Democrat or Republican -- will lose this election.

For us to continue down this path all we have to do is suspend all that we believe in. As Democrats, we continue down this path only if we believe the party of the people is no more.

As Americans, we continue down this path only if we fail to heed Lincoln's warning to us all.

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected," he asked, "if it ever reaches us it must spring up amongst us. It can not come from abroad. If destruction be our lot -- we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we must live through all time or die by suicide."

America lives because 20 generations have honored the one moral commandment that makes us Americans.

To give our children a better future than we received.

I stand here today the son of Wallace and Bobbie Edwards. The father of Wade, Cate, Emma Claire and Jack -- and I know, as well as you, that we must not be the first generation that fails to live up to our moral challenge and keep the promise of America.

That would be an abomination.

There is a dream that is America. It is what makes us American. And I will not stand by while that dream is at risk.

I am not perfect -- far from it -- but I do understand that this is not a political issue -- it is the moral test of our generation.

Our nation's founders knew that this moment would come -- that at some point the power of greed and its influence over officials in our government might strain and threaten the very America they hoped would last as an ideal in the minds of all people, and as a beacon of hope for all time.

That is why they made the people sovereign. And this is why it is your responsibility to redeem the promise of America for our children and their future.

It will not be easy -- sacrifice will be required of us -- but it was never easy for our ancestors, and their sacrifices were far greater than any that will fall on our shoulders.

Yet, the responsibility is ours.

We, you and I, are the guardians of what America is and what it will be.

The choice is ours.

Down one path, we trade corporate Democrats for corporate Republicans; our cronies for their cronies; one political dynasty for another dynasty; and all we are left with is a Democratic version of the Republican corruption machine.

It is the easier path. It is the path of the status quo. But, it is a path that perpetuates a corrupt system that has not only failed to deliver the change the American people demand, but has divided America into two -- one America for the very greedy, and one America for everybody else.

And it is that divided America -- the direct result of this corrupt system -- which may very well lead to the suicide Lincoln warned us of -- the poison that continues to seep into our system while none notice.

Or we can choose a different path. The path that generations of Americans command us to take. And be the guardians that kept the faith.

I run for president for my father who worked in a mill his entire life and never got to go to college the way I did.

I run for president for all those who worked in that mill with my father.

I run for president for all those who lost their jobs when that mill was shut down.

I run for president for all the women who have come up to Elizabeth and me and told us that like Elizabeth they had breast cancer -- but unlike Elizabeth they did not have health care.

I run for president for twenty generations of Americans who made sure that their children had a better life than they did.

As Americans we are blessed -- for our ancestors are not dead, they occupy the corridors of our conscience. And, as long we keep the faith -- they live. And so too the America of idealism and hope that was their gift to us.

I carry the promise of America in my heart, where my parents placed it. Like them, like you, I believe in people, hard work, and the sacred obligation of each generation to the next.

This is our time now. It falls to us to redeem our democracy, reclaim our government and relight the promise of America for our children.

Let us blaze a new path together, grounded in the values from which America was forged, still reaching toward the greatness of our ideals. We can do it. We can cast aside the bankrupt ways of Washington and replace them with the timeless values of the American people. We can liberate our government from the shackles of corporate money that bind it to corporate will, and restore the voices of our people to its halls.

This is the cause of my life. This is the cause of our time. Join me. Together, we cannot fail.

We will keep faith with those who have gone before us, strong and proud in the knowledge that we too rose up to guard the promise of America in our day, and that, because we did, America's best days still lie ahead.

 

-- Chris Weigant

 

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174 Comments on “From The Archives -- 2007 Candidate Speech Series: John Edwards”

  1. [1] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Moral Test of Our Generation

    One has to wonder if ya'all could appreciate the irony of the title of Edwards' speech reconciled with what happened to Edwards...??? :D

    My guess is.. 'no'.

    The point? Edwards' was and is the quintessential Democrat.

    Like Hillary Clinton, he cultivated a public persona and a private persona...

    Edwards' problem is his private persona burst out into the public arena...

    But he was... and IS.. the quintessential Democrat...

  2. [2] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    What happened to Edwards? Nothing happened to him....his true self finally broke through to the surface for all the world to be disgusted by! He left his cancer-stricken wife, the woman who stood by his side through thick and thin, to have an affair with his biographer.

    What Edwards did disgusted us....and you notice he isn’t around anymore. Trump was having an affair with Stormy Daniels while the wife he is currently leasing was pregnant.
    Trump bragged about how easy it was to sexually assault women, and your support for him never ceased.

  3. [3] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump bragged about how easy it was to sexually assault women, and your support for him never ceased.

    Except he never did brag about it..

    He bragged about how women "LET" men do things like that to them..

    If it's voluntary, it's never assault..

    You as the husband of a cop should know that.. But you don't because yer a Party slave..

    What Edwards did disgusted us...

    Funny how NONE of you condemned Edwards at the time.. Many here DEFENDED Edwards at the time..

    Because he had a -D after his name...

    Just as you don't condemn Bill Clinton for his ongoing contacts with and many trips on the Lolita Express with Jeffery Epstein...

    Face reality... Party Uber Alles...

  4. [4] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    He bragged about how women "LET" men do things like that to them..

    If it's voluntary, it's never assault..

    Let’s see what he said....

    I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

    If Trump acted before they had a chance to give their consent, then it’s “sexual assault.” He is bragging that his status allows him to take what he wants physically from these women...and you just keep worshipping at the feet of this sex offender.

    When I first started visiting this site, I may not have agreed with everything you’d post, but at least you seemed honest and fair-minded in how you presented your arguments. These days, you continuously make false claims that have been refuted as “untrue” time and time again. You used to focus on the events being discussed in the news and judged them based on their own merits, which meant sometimes conceding that your side screwed up. These days, you refuse to ever call out Trump when his actions deserve condemnation. Instead, you deflect with bullshit accusations like:

    Funny how NONE of you condemned Edwards at the time.. Many here DEFENDED Edwards at the time..

    Because he had a -D after his name...

    God, your dishonesty is pathetic. This is why debating issues with you has become an exercise in futility.

    You claim to support law enforcement, yet refuse to say anything negative about how Trump is endangering the lives of ICE agents by announcing when and where ICE will conduct their raids! But Trump only cares about his popularity with his base, he doesn’t give a shit about law enforcement.

  5. [5] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    The point? Edwards' was and is the quintessential Democrat.

    who says hypocrisy is just for Dems?

    He was just being|the quintessential Gambini.
    [lights flicker]
    There goes the quintessential Norton.

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ

    And when you're a star, they let you do it.

    Thank you for proving my point for me..

    You claim to support law enforcement, yet refuse to say anything negative about how Trump is endangering the lives of ICE agents by announcing when and where ICE will conduct their raids! But Trump only cares about his popularity with his base, he doesn’t give a shit about law enforcement.

    I noticed you didn't deny the pass ya'all gave Edwards because of the -D after his name..

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    who says hypocrisy is just for Dems?

    Nobody...

    But the thing about the GOP is that they, by and large, acknowledge their hypocrisy.. They own it..

    Democrats deny that their hypocrisy exists..

    That makes them liars on top of being hypocrites..

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    But Trump only cares about his popularity with his base, he doesn’t give a shit about law enforcement.

    But his base IS Law Enforcement. Amongst others..

    You can try and pit Trump supporters against Trump all you want..

    But it will do no good.. Cops know that President Trump has their backs...

    And they know that Trump/America haters cannot be trusted...

    So your efforts will be in vain..

    Trump will coast to re-election.. :D

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    yet refuse to say anything negative about how Trump is endangering the lives of ICE agents by announcing when and where ICE will conduct their raids!

    Funny how you didn't condemn the Oakland Mayor when she did the exact same thing..

    Why didn't you condemn her for doing what you are attacking Trump over??

    Why didn't you condemn her for "endangering the lives of ICE agents"??

    Because you don't care about the ICE Agents.. Everyone knows you Democrats would LOVE to see ICE Agents killed...

    Hell, you Democrats want to destroy the entire agency..

    The Mayor Of Oakland has a -D after her name so she gets a pass for doing the EXACT same thing that you attack President Trump over..

    Like I said.. Being a hypocrite is a defining characteristic of being a Democrat..

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bill, Hillary Clinton booed at Billy Joel concert after singer dedicated song to them
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/clintons-booed-billy-joel-new-york

    Hell, even NEW YORKERS know what's what about the Clintons...

    What a sight to see :D

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dems lose patience with ‘complete fraud’ AOC, rally to Pelosi’s side
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-lose-patience-with-complete-fraud-aoc-rally-to-pelosis-side

    Democrat Civil War!!!

    "I'm lovin it!"
    -McDonalds

    :D

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Anti-ICE protesters pull down American flag, raise Mexico flag, vandalize 'Blue Lives Matter' flag

    That's your team, Russ... Desecrating the US and the LEO flags....

    You must be so proud of your Democrat Party.. :eyeroll:

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    You claim to support law enforcement,

    And I prove it every day I make an END OF WATCH post honoring those men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice so the Democrats that hate and despise them can be safe...

    Maybe you should take a look around and see how YOUR team treats LEOs...

    If you care.... :eyeroll:

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    TV Ignores Conservative Authors Of No. 1 Book In The Country, While Putting Liberal Author Of No. 3,421 Book On Major Tour
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/11/tv-ignores-conservative-authors-of-no-1-book-in-the-country-while-putting-liberal-author-of-no-3421-book-on-major-tour/

    A perfect example of how the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, the US Media ignores facts, reality and patriotic Americans in their efforts to push the Anti-America Democrat agenda...

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    These days, you continuously make false claims that have been refuted as “untrue” time and time again.

    That is not factually accurate...

    Point to an instance where I made a false claim as fact..

    I have been wrong on occasion in my predictions.. So have all of ya'all.. 100 times more than I..

    The difference between you and I is I concede when I am wrong..

    Ya'all NEVER (NEN) do...

    If I was always so wrong, why don't you ever point it out??

    The sequence of events is I post fact.. You claim it's not fact and, more often than not, provide NO supporting data.. And when you DO provide bullshit that allegedly supports your claim, I refute that bullshit with facts and then you run away..

    That's a cycle that repeats over and over again...

    If I am ALWAYS wrong as you claim, it should be EASY for you to PROVE it..

    And yet, you never do..

    Trump was having an affair with Stormy Daniels while the wife he is currently leasing was pregnan

    Iddn't it funny??

    When Clinton was screwing and raping every bimbo who caught his eye, you and your fellow Trump/America haters always said, "That's between a man and his wife.."

    Now that Trump was boffin' around on Melania, NOW all of the sudden it's an unpardonable sin..

    Once again.. You are ruled SOLELY by your Party slavery...

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting to note..

    78% Of Republicans are extremely proud of America..

    Only 22% of Democrats are extremely proud of America..

    So 'Trump/America haters' appears to be a factually accurate label.

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK people...

    Trump Is Poised to Sign a Radical Agreement to Send Future Asylum Seekers to Guatemala
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-poised-to-sign-a-radical-agreement-to-send-future-asylum-seekers-to-guatemala

    Happy now??

    Now we can get rid of the over-crowding in immigration detention centers and safeguard Americans from the rapists and murderers and drug dealers..

    No more Catch N Release...

    Maybe that will shut Democrats up. Yea.. When pigs fly outta my butt... :eyeroll:

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection said earlier this week that Border Patrol agents detained more than 57,000 people who had crossed the border with their families in June - a decline from May, but still more than six times the number of families the U.S. apprehended in June 2018.

    Immigration advocates have warned that mass arrests targeting families invariably would result in the separation of some children from their parents, as many immigrant families include both U.S. citizens and individuals who are in the country illegally.

    “The upcoming ICE raids are yet another brazen attempt at family separation, a failed and inhumane policy devised to scare immigrants and asylum seekers from seeking refuge in the United States. Trump officials are clear with their intentions to use raids to terrorize families,” Emma Einhorn, the campaign director for MoveOn.org, said in a statement Friday.
    https://www.record-courier.com/zz/news/20190712/trump-says-ice-raids-to-start-sunday-emphasizing-purge-of-criminal-immigrants

    What happens when an American commits a crime??

    He is arrested and separated from his family..

    In both instances, it's really simple..

    If these families don't want to be separated... *** THEN DON'T COMMIT CRIMES!!**

    House Democrats have blasted Trump’s crackdown, saying families are fleeing violence, hunger and poverty in Central America and seeking refuge in the United States.

    Just because you live in a crappy neighborhood and you are poor are not sufficient reasons for the US to allow asylum...

    Regardless of THAT fact, since they made it to Mexico, they have escaped the violence.. There is no longer a physical threat...

    So, the solution is simple.. They stay in Mexico until their cases are adjudicated...

    “The Trump Administration’s plan to arrest and deport thousands of Central American families and children without giving them a fair day in court is both illegal and immoral,” said Ahilan Arulanantham, senior counsel at the ACLU of Southern California. “More than one hundred years ago, the Supreme Court decided that immigrants could not be deported without due process. These vulnerable refugees deserve that basic protection.”

    These are not refugees OR immigrants.. These are criminals.. They are freeloaders...

    The goal is not to deport them. The goal is to keep them out of the country until such time as their asylum request can be resolved...

    Again.. Really REALLY simple...

  19. [19] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    H. L. Mencken: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    H. L. Mencken: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

    But this really isn't a complex problem...

    A nation has a right to borders and sovereignty and to have say who crosses that border...

    Put another way.. If illegal immigrant criminals overwhelmingly voted Republican, Democrats would be saying and doing the exact same things..

  21. [21] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    But this really isn't a complex problem...

    wrong

  22. [22] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Listen (4)-
    The changes in the comments you mention are not limited to Michale.

    There is a lot of continuous repeating of false claims that have been refuted and deflection rather than fair-minded rational discussion of issues by many here.

    As an observer/participant here that is not on either team it is easy to see the hypocrisy and bullshit spewed by both "sides" of the big money show put on for the rubes.

    But everyone here has a choice.

    They can choose to argue over who did what wrong in the past and which is worse or they can choose to act in a rational fair-minded manner going forward.

    If we choose the former over the latter then the lights will be flickering for the quintessential America.

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    I respect your opinion.. I just disagree with it..

    The Left NEEDS to make it "complex" so as to obfuscate and hide the facts behind smoke and mirrors..

    But it really is simple.. Illegal immigrants are criminals.. They have caused untold death and misery amongst Americans..

    Wanting a better life for themselves and their families is no excuse to break the law. Anyone who has robbed a bank or mugged someone is just "wanting a better life"....

    Millions upon millions of immigrants have come to this country LEGALLY and made contributions to this country and it's history..

    But the simple fact is, ILLEGAL immigrants are a problem...

    And we finally have a POTUS that is going to address the problem...

    Quite refreshing, if I do so say myself.. :D

  24. [24] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    But it really is simple.. Illegal immigrants are criminals...

    our land, which was stolen from the Indians by european immigrants, who took over by committing some of the worst crimes ever, now wants to call every man woman and child - without exception - a "criminal" who is here without permission?

    What's that about owning one's hypocrisy?

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    our land, which was stolen from the Indians by european immigrants, who took over by committing some of the worst crimes ever, now wants to call every man woman and child - without exception - a "criminal" who is here without permission?

    If you have to go back 6 centuries to make your case..

    It's really not much of a case, is it?? :D

    Native Americans were conquered.. And the victors get the spoils and write the rules...

    It's been that way since the dawn of time and it's going to be that way until the end of time...

    Immigrants are welcome in this country as long as they obey our laws..

    How exactly is that complex??

  26. [26] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    While there may be AN answer for every complex problem that is clear, simple and wrong that does not mean that every simple answer to a complex problem is wrong.

    For example, if you keep voting for the big money candidates you will keep getting big money legislators.

    In this case, the simple answer to stop voting for the big money candidates is not only not wrong- it is the only answer that is right.

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    Pelosi’s House of Pain

    Column: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez turns the 116th Congress into Thunderdome

    Not so long ago—as recently as the cover of the March 2019 Rolling Stone, in fact—they seemed like the best of friends. I'm referring to Nancy Pelosi and the members of "The Squad": Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and (not pictured) Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley. They shared some good times.

    It was the dawn of a new era. House Democrats had returned to power after eight years. And these Democrats were remarkably diverse in age, ethnicity, race, and gender. Ideology, too: Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib belong to the Democratic Socialists of America. "Our nation is at an historic moment," Pelosi said in January. "Two months ago, the American people spoke, and demanded a new dawn."

    Well, the sun has set. And fast. Whatever Pelosi's plans might have been, they've been lost in a fog of anti-Semitism and left-wing radicalism. If Ilhan Omar isn't causing Pelosi trouble, Ocasio-Cortez is. And vice versa. One day the speaker has to respond to the charge that Jewish money controls American foreign policy. The next she has to downplay flatulent cows. It's enough to make one pity her. Almost.
    https://freebeacon.com/columns/pelosis-house-of-pain/

    Party Unity My Ass!! :D

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    In this case, the simple answer to stop voting for the big money candidates is not only not wrong- it is the only answer that is right.

    "It's easy to tell the difference between right and wrong. What's hard is choosing the wrong that is more right.."
    -Annette Benning, THE SEIGE

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats, and many Republicans, object to the conditions facing detained asylum-seekers. What separates the Democrats is what to do about it. The majority, including representatives from Trump districts, takes the classic approach: throw money at the problem. The Squad has a different idea. It voted against border funds to "make a point." And strike a pose.

    Ocasio-Cortez's outlandish rhetoric isn't helping. She's described the detention centers as "concentration camps." Already in favor of abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, this week she said she's open to shutting down the entire Department of Homeland Security. Why stop there? I'm guessing she doesn't like the Department of Defense, either. Karl Rove, who in 2002 won a midterm election over DHS, said Ocasio-Cortez's comments were "moronic, stupid, naïve, and dumb." That was an understatement.

    She's something, Ocasio-Cortez. At 29 years old, she perfectly embodies her generation's uniquely irritating combo of self-righteousness and cluelessness. Passionate and charming at first blush, her appeal quickly wears off. In a March Quinnipiac poll her favorability was underwater by 13 points.

    Looks like the "future of the Democrat Party" really REALLY sucks.. :D

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    Even if you assume that Ocasio-Cortez's Twitter and Instagram following counts for something in the real world, she's not about to help Democrats win Senate races in red states. President Trump and the Republican Party want nothing more than to define the choice in 2020 as between socialism and Americanism, socialism and prosperity, socialism and security. And for whatever reason, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is eager to help him.

    As I said before.. Occasional Cortex is a one-woman RE-ELECT PRESIDENT TRUMP committee that is formidable!! :D

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    Remember a couple weeks ago, ya'all were touting all the polls that said President Trump would lose to almost every Dem candidate as the nominee???

    Poll numbers in recent days have shown a remarkable surge toward President Trump. In the most recent national poll by Emerson, he either ties or beats every Democrat except Vice President Joe Biden among registered voters – and he only trails Biden by 6.

    Given the 92 percent hostility of news media coverage toward Trump, according to a Media Research Center study, I suspect there is an unspoken Trump vote that will not tell polls they support him. It is probably a big enough group of voters to mean that he is now tied with or leading Biden.

    After two and a half years of being stuck around 40 percent for approval ratings – and occasionally trailing Democrats by double digits – what is happening?
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-trump-democrats-pelosi-mcgovern

    What a difference a couple weeks make, eh??

    My guess is ya'all won't be touting these polls, eh?? :D

  32. [32] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Choosing the wrong that is more right only applies when there are only wrong choices.

    When there is a right choice, choosing the wrong that is more right is merely rationalization for making the wrong choice.

  33. [33] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    If you have to go back 6 centuries to make your case..

    i don't. it is the most obvious hypocrisy, but by no means the most recent.

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump DOJ scores rare win on sanctuary city crackdown in appeals court

    President Trump notched a win on Friday in a federal appeals court, which upheld a Department of Justice method for cracking down on sanctuary cities.

    In a 2-1 decision that overturns a nationwide injunction, the DOJ is now allowed to give preferential treatment for community policing grants to cities that don't defy federal immigration enforcement.

    "The department is pleased that the court recognized the lawful authority of the administration to provide favorable treatment when awarding discretionary law enforcement grants to jurisdictions that assist in enforcing federal immigration laws," the DOJ said in a statement.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-doj-scores-rare-win-on-sanctuary-city-crackdown-in-appeals-court

    WINNING... And NOT tired of it yet!! :D

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    i don't. it is the most obvious hypocrisy, but by no means the most recent.

    By all means.. Find something recent....

    And relevant would be nice too.. :D

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    And relevant would be nice too.. :D

    I mean, are you honestly comparing a sovereign nation protecting it's citizens and it's borders to explorers charting a new unexplored untamed world??

    Using that reasoning, an asteroid is guilty of genocide for wiping the dominant species off the planet...

    You really can't compare what's happening in the here and now to what occurred 600 years ago...

    Well, you CAN.. If that's the only argument you can make...

    :D

  37. [37] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Just because Europeans were ignorant about the fact the land was occupied is no excuse for genocide, nor does it make donald's nativism less hypocritical. More recently, a majority of the manual labor at trump resorts prior to his presidency were the people you call criminals, and he knew it.

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Protesters Remove U.S. Flag, Replace It With Mexican Flag Outside ICE Facility In Aurora

    AURORA, Colo. (CBS4)– Hundreds of protesters gathered in Aurora on Friday evening to march to the ICE detention facility where illegal and undocumented immigrants are being housed. They also removed the U.S. flag, replaced it with a Mexican flag, and spray painted graffiti on a Blue Lives Matter flag before it was seen flying upside down on the flag pole.
    https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/07/12/protests-ice-aurora-immigration-raids/

    Scumbags... America hating scumbags...

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just because Europeans were ignorant about the fact the land was occupied is no excuse for genocide,

    Not claiming it was.. I simply point out that it's not relevant to the here and now..

    Unless you are trying to make the case that the European genocide was Trump's fault?? :D

    nor does it make donald's nativism less hypocritical.

    For Trump's position to be hypocritical, you would have to offer something in the way of fact that Trump's position is somehow connected to the European genocide..

    More recently, a majority of the manual labor at trump resorts prior to his presidency were the people you call criminals, and he knew it.

    Facts to support???

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    Further, there really is no comparison to what the Europeans did to native Americans and the invasion of Mexican illegals..

    In the New World case, the technologically advanced (relatively speaking) Europeans were the "invaders"..

    In the here and now case, illegal immigrant criminals are not more technologically advanced than they country they are invading..

    Fair or not, might makes right throughout much of the world's history..

    Finally, illegal immigrant criminals are not explorers taming wild and unknown areas..

    They are opportunists looking for a free ride and someone to give them all free stuff..

    That's why the gravitate to the Democrat Party.. The Free Stuff Party...

  41. [41] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    I don't currently have the time or a functioning keyboard yet, but i absolutely can support my assertion of illegal labor hypocrisy at trump resorts. If you have any evidence to refute, feel free.

  42. [42] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    23

    Wanting a better life for themselves and their families is no excuse to break the law.

    Nice admission there. The word "pirate" comes to mind.

    Anyone who has robbed a bank or mugged someone is just "wanting a better life"....

    Of course, under the circumstances such as they are, you have zero moral authority to lecture or preach to anyone.

    And we finally have a POTUS that is going to address the problem...

    Trump is actually an employer of illegals and has been for several decades. Anyone who seeks to make money in violation of federal law/United States Code while lecturing others is a giant hot bag of wind... in addition to being a hypocrite, of course. :)

  43. [43] 
    Kick wrote:

    JL
    37

    More recently, a majority of the manual labor at trump resorts prior to his presidency were the people you call criminals, and he knew it.

    Exactly right... more recently during his presidency too, and of course he did know it. :)

  44. [44] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @kick,
    My understanding was that once it came out in the campaign Donald tried to quietly replace the undocumented workers and get visas for the replacements.

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    My understanding was that once it came out in the campaign Donald tried to quietly replace the undocumented workers and get visas for the replacements.

    Once again, facts to prove this would be ever so nice.. :D

    But you see, it's impossible..

    Oh I am sure you'll have oodles of reports from "anonymous" sources and known Trump/America haters that will say all sorts of things..

    But proving what President Trump knew would require mind-reading..

    And you simply cannot do that.. :D

    But I await your attempts with bated breath.. :D

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    If you have any evidence to refute, feel free.

    OK.. You can't prove what President Trump did and did not know because you can't mind-read President Trump..

    Taaa Daaaaaa... :D

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    But the committees are no longer expected to hear from two Mueller deputies -- Aaron Zebley and James Quarles -- on the same day, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Democrats had sought to question the deputies behind closed doors about the special counsel investigation.

    Attorney General William Barr had expressed a desire this week that the deputies not testify, and the Justice Department was resisting their appearances.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics/mueller-hearing-may-be-delayed/index.html

    And another win for the American people.. :D

    Who wants to hear from a couple Trump/America hating Hillary sycophants???

    Oh wait. We wouldn't have heard from them because Democrats didn't want the American people to hear what they had to say...

    Funny how that is, eh? :eyeroll:

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the gift, to the GOP, that keeps on giving.. :D

    VIDEO: Hillary talks like candidate at NY immigration protest
    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/not-going-away-hillary-joins-ny-immigration-protest/

    My guess (note the word) is that Hillary is going to wait and see who emerges as the all but in name Dem Nominee..

    If it's one of the Left Wing lusers (I know.. Redundant) who can't possibly win (IE anyone but Biden) she will throw her hat in the ring..

    You heard it here first.. :D

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    National News Coverage of Tropical Storm Barry Is Its Own Disaster

    Al Roker is not a meteorologist.

    Al Roker has never lived anywhere even close to the Gulf of Mexico. He is, however, second cousins with Lenny Kravitz, and Lenny Kravitz once owned a house in the French Quarter.

    I’m singling out Roker because he calls himself a weatherman, but he isn’t the only national reporter who has completely misrepresented the on-the-ground reality.

    This morning, MSNBC reported that New Orleans was “already underwater.” Not true. And it’s not just standard sensationalism.

    No one is predicting the levees will breach, but, once again, the Army Corps of Engineers hasn’t been inspiring confidence. And the confusion and ambiguities they created are the pretense currently being used by the national press to still cite the wrong numbers.

    No y’all. No one thinks the water could rise to more than 20 feet.

    Thus far, though, the Washington Post failed the most spectacularly, publishing a brazenly false story that suggests some sort of mass exodus is currently underway. Their story was so egregious that it merited a response from the City of New Orleans:
    https://www.bayoubrief.com/2019/07/12/national-news-coverage-of-tropical-storm-barry-is-its-own-disaster/

    What!!! The Leftist MSM push catastrophic claims and predictions that are completely unfounded and total bullshit!!???

    SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!

    :D

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Those aren’t anxious residents fleeing the city; they’re two white tourists dudes rolling their suitcases outside of Brennan’s, a fine dining restaurant, in the French Quarter. Oh, the humanity!

    There are notable exceptions: The New York Times smartly scooped up two veterans of the Times-Picayune to work on their coverage; it also helps that Dean Baquet, their executive editor, is a New Orleans native.

    However, they’re the exception to the rule.

    We understand why the nation’s attention is on New Orleans right now, and it’s something we all welcome. But if you’re here to cover a potential hurricane flooding New Orleans and you’re already lying about the weather outside or suggesting there’s some sort of mass exodus underway, you’re not interested in getting to the real story. You’re just here to film some disaster porn and leave as soon as possible.

    Typical Leftist Main Stream Media..

    Why is anyone surprised by this??

    The MSM has been doing this to President/Candidate Trump for years..

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    DeBlowHole... ooops.. Sorry Liz.. :^/

    DeBlasio just lost the Dem nomination..

    Blackout gives New York's governor opportunity to blast New York City's absentee mayor

    One consequence of New York City's Saturday night blackout: It shined a bright spotlight on the tensions between two prominent Democrats, the city's mayor and the state's governor.

    As more than 70,000 customers -- plus countless tourists and other visitors -- dealt with the loss of electricity attributed to a transformer fire, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo blasted New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who was in Iowa campaigning for president when the massive blackout hit Manhattan.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-governor-criticizes-mayor-for-absence-during-nyc-blackout

    DeBlasio is incompetent, pure and simple. He epitomizes the quintessential Democrat..

    Long and blow-hard rhetoric.. Very short on competence and actually caring for people..

    He knows all the right things to say, all the right buttons to push, all the right boxes to check..

    But when it comes to actually DOING something in service of the people he was elected to serve??

    He falls woefully short..

    As I said.. The quintessential Democrat..

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Donald Trump will win the Democratic Party civil war

    As Donald Trump continues to demonstrate his presidential pedigree to the American public, Nancy Pelosi wages war with Democrats keen on dragging the party further left. This will only benefit the candidacy of my father in 2020. With the election approaching, Trump has cultivated support from the various groups within the Republican caucus, rallying them around his agenda, as well as a growing number of independents and even some Democrats benefiting from this successful economy.

    Meanwhile, Pelosi is losing her grip over her coalition, and moderate Democrats across the country are beginning to realize that she is fighting a losing battle against the radical left in her caucus. The Democratic Party is under the spell of the radical left. Freshman Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar hold real influence, even if it has yet to translate to actual power on Capitol Hill.

    It is in the public sphere where their power resides. While Pelosi wants to cement her legacy with legislative victories, the activist wing is happy to leave legislative action to a future date. For these progressive radicals, pushing the party further left, especially on social media, is a greater priority than achieving concrete policy goals. Their strategy is working.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/452592-donald-trump-will-win-the-democratic-party-civil-war

    This is why President Trump will win in a landslide.. Because Democrats can't stop fighting amongst themselves..

    Deny the facts and reality all ya want...

    But that doesn't change them..

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Pavlich: Open border Democrats

    During the first Democratic debate in Miami, candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.

    Since then, they’ve doubled down.

    “I agree with Secretary Castro. We should not be criminalizing mamas and babies trying to flee violence at home or trying to build a better future. We must pass comprehensive immigration reform that is in line with our values, creates a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants including our Dreamers, and protects our borders,” Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D) told HuffPost.

    Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J) has taken things further and vowed — if elected — to essentially eliminate any kind of border detention through an executive order. His campaign released an 11-page policy document explaining the details.

    “Today, Cory Booker is outlining executive actions he will take beginning on day one of his presidency to virtually eliminate immigration detention and put an end to the humanitarian crisis at the border and in detention centers across the country,” Booker’s campaign said. “Without waiting for Congress to act, Cory will stop the treatment of immigrants as criminals, close inhumane DHS facilities, end the use of for-profit detention facilities and end unnecessary barriers for refugees and those seeking asylum to virtually eliminate immigrant detention.”
    https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/452311-pavlich-open-border-democrats

    Anyone who claims that the Democrat Party is NOT the Open Borders Party is either willfully ignorant or simply not paying attention...

    Honestly... Does ANYONE here honestly believe that a Dem candidate who says they will decriminalize/open the borders has a chance of winning??

    Anyone???

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    Very quietly, Trump may have just saved 43,000 lives

    Johns Hopkins University economist Steve Hanke at Forbes points out a very little-reported story involving President Trump, who just days ago quietly signed an executive order that could save as many as 43,000 lives of the waiting kidney patients. His order involved several compassionate measures to make their lives easier, but perhaps the best one will involve increasing the supply of available kidneys by as much as 50% by 2030, which is the aim. Hanke writes:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/very_quietly_trump_may_have_just_saved_43000_lives.html#ixzz5te5iRbsf

    Of course, does President Trump get ANY credit from Democrats and Trump/America haters???

    Of course... NOT...

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    These voters love Trump because he listens

    Chuck was especially dumbfounded that all the wannabes at the second debate agreed illegal immigrants should get free health care, while ignoring the plight of people born here.

    In Vandalia, Ill., a little town that was once the state’s capital but now doesn’t have even Uber, I called Callie’s Cab Service to take me to a sociable bar. Callie herself picked me up.

    Callie used to be a Democrat but no longer votes. When I asked her if Dems had moved too far left, she said no. “Not too far left — too far gone. They don’t care about Americans.”

    They told me they like Trump because he does what he says he’ll do and is for the people.

    I asked about the disdain many feel toward him. One woman said she hears a lot about norms and how presidents are supposed to act. To this she generally responds: “You told me society’s reasons, not your reasons.”

    Our conversation touched on myriad topics. In general, these folks, whose son had just pledged his life to our country, were tired of hearing about how awful America is. They think it’s pretty great.

    The idea of removing Confederate statues even made them angry. “That’s our history, those statues aren’t hurting anyone,” they said.

    More than anything, people in this flyover country — which had smacked Northeastern sensibilities in the mouth by electing Trump — want to be heard.

    They are tired of the lectures, tired of hearing what’s wrong with them, their towns, their lives — their country. Trump may be a bully and a tycoon from Queens, but they believe he listens, hears and understands.

    They see a man who truly cares about them, who won’t toss their lifestyle into the dustbin of history and cover it over with a green, high-tech and service economy.
    Theirs is an America New Yorkers rarely see, but one that is vibrant, full of life and dignity.

    They aren’t asking for much. They simply want us to listen.
    https://nypost.com/2019/07/12/these-voters-love-trump-because-he-listens/

    That's exactly the problem with Trump/America haters..

    They live in the Clinton Archipelago and that is their whole world.. There is NOTHING else for them but the small disjointed and scattered Archipelago.

    They ignore, berate, demonize and attack the large contiguous and homogenized land that is TrumpLand...

    As long as they do that, they will never win presidential elections again...

    It's really THAT simple...

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nancy Pelosi’s renewed attacks on AOC aren’t just disrespectful, they’re dangerous

    As America grows increasingly brazen in its bigotry, Pelosi should be standing up for her new colleagues – so why isn’t she?

    Can progressives please shut up and listen to Nancy Pelosi? The speaker of the House, I would like to remind everyone, is a master strategist, a savvy tactician, and an experienced politician. She knows what’s best for America. And what’s best for America, apparently, isn’t standing up to Donald Trump; no, it’s ensuring four freshman congresswomen don’t get ideas above their station. It’s ensuring Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, in particular, knows her place.

    There have been long-running tensions between Pelosi and the so-called “Squad” of new progressive congresswomen, which consists of Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley. Things escalated sharply over the weekend, when Pelosi decided it would be a good idea to demean her colleagues in the New York Times. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world, but they didn’t have any following,” Pelosi told the Times, referring to a border funding bill the Squad opposed. “They’re four people, and that’s how many votes they got.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/nancy-pelosis-renewed-attacks-on-aoc-arent-just-disrespectful-theyre-dangerous

    Would love to hear ya'all's comments on the Democrat Civil War..

    But I won't.. Ya'all just will pretend it doesn't exist.. :D

  57. [57] 
    Michale wrote:

    Almost done.. :D

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump’s mass arrests are set to begin. Here’s the Democratic answer.

    Once again, the wrenching imagery of migrant suffering may soon fill the airwaves. Mass raids targeting thousands of undocumented families will begin on Sunday, the New York Times reports, and families will in some cases be detained, while in others, children may be separated from parents.

    The goal of these raids, which President Trump has long threatened, is not simply removal. The fear they inspire is also meant as a deterrent: Officials hope arrests dissuade other families from Central American countries from seeking asylum at the border.

    Senate Democrats are now set to introduce a major new proposal that will offer another way: It would make family separations illegal; invest much more in legal support for asylum seekers; and beef up humanitarian standards for the treatment of families and children.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trumps-mass-arrests-are-set-to-begin-heres-the-democratic-answer/ar-AAEbsdS

    Everyone knows the Democrat Party answer..

    Open borders, giving dangerous illegal immigrant criminals free reign to prey on innocent Americans..

    In essence, more Kathleen Steinles, more Ariana Funes-Diazs and more Luis Castros and more Vanessa Arguetas and her toddler baby..

    THAT is the "Demcorat answer" to President Trump's efforts to rid this country of dangerous scumbags..

    And that answer is why Democrats will lose in 2020 and beyond..

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    Regarding the Trump "hypocrisy" when it comes to hiring illegals..

    I think it's been established that it's perfectly acceptable for people to "game the system" even though they pay lip service to opposing it..

    For example.. I had castigated Democrats for using the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling to the full advantage even though they condemned it as a threat to our democracy..

    I was told there is nothing wrong with someone who games the system to their advantage even though they speak out, opposing it..

    So, here we are.... :D

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats and Republicans agree — Donald Trump will be re-elected

    It’s a mixed marriage of a certain kind. He was a Trump supporter all along and she ­detested the man.

    But these days, they agree on one big thing: The president will be ­re-elected. Easily.

    “Easily?” I asked, making sure I heard them correctly. Yes, they insisted, with her nodding as he said Democrats had gone bonkers and voters would respond by giving Trump four more years.

    The recent Manhattan conversation would be insignificant except that it dovetails with national trends, namely a growing belief that Dems are not coming back to this world anytime soon. The election is still a long way off, but there is no sign that the radicalism surging through the party can be put back in the bottle before the election. What we see now is likely what voters will see in 2020.

    One of many defining moments among the presidential contenders and pretenders came with their unanimous support for giving illegal immigrants free health care. They raised their hands to signal yes, as if the question was a ­no-brainer.

    Implicit in their so-called compassion is an invitation for millions and millions more to cross the border and get free care. Free, of course, except to American taxpayers.
    nypost.com/2019/07/13/democrats-and-republicans-agree-donald-trump-will-be-re-elected/

    Again, one has to marvel at the utter STOOPIDITY of Democrats who ALL raised their hands to give illegal immigrant criminals full and free healthcare..

    I know those amongst ya'all out there who STILL can think rationally HAD to have rolled their eyes and wonder how Democrats could be so utterly moronic to go completely and unequivocally on the record on an issue that is a SURE loser in the general election..

    Pretty much President Trump will have to do something so indisputably stoopid (always a possibility I grant you) to lose the 2020 election..

    Something stoopid along the lines of Martin Sheen "The missiles are flying.. Hallelujah!!" stoopid in THE DEAD ZONE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9M34DzAKo

    And I just don't see that happening..

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    An anecdote from real life..

    I was walking by a TV that had a news program on... The caption read

    Somebody blaa blaa
    First Coast Black Nurses Association

    And it struck me..

    That is EXACTLY what's wrong with Democrats in the here and now..

    They CLAIM they want to live in a post-racist society, but then they advocate and establish lines and labels to KEEP Americans separated and at odds...

    I mean, a Nurses Association... Fine... Nothing wrong with people of a certain occupation getting together and comparing notes and giving support and all that..

    But when you establish boundries based on RACE???

    You simply are inviting the conflict and divisions that Democrats claim they want to stop..

    When I was going thru the Academy, during de-escalation training a notion was drilled thru us...

    "You want to AVOID a conflict, not INSIST on one.."

    Democrats CLAIM they want to avoid racial divisions..

    Yet they CONSTANTLY insist on racial divisions...

    :eyeroll:

    Dr Martin Luther King would be VERY disappointed in today's Democrat Party...

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting..

    Nancy Pelosi Emerges As Unexpected Villain At Netroots Nation

    PHILADELPHIA ? The chatter at Netroots Nation, a progressive gathering that attracts thousands of people each year, was expected to be on the rising influence of the left on the 2020 presidential election. But frustration with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, once considered an avatar of San Francisco liberalism, has emerged as a constant theme ? centered on her recent criticism of progressive members of her caucus.

    “She doesn’t act this way when Blue Dogs say stupid shit about other Democrats and about the party and constantly criticize the party,” said Markos Moulitsas, the founder of the popular liberal blog Daily Kos, referring to a group of conservative House Democrats. “For some reason, she’s singling out these four for a special brand of conflict. It doesn’t make any sense.”

    Progressive discontent toward the California Democrat has been simmering for months, with the feeling that the speaker has been putting the interests of the more conservative members of the caucus over the priorities of the left. She has pushed off pursuing impeachment of President Donald Trump and been slow to embrace ideas like the Green New Deal and “Medicare for All.”

    But it burst into the open when Pelosi gave an interview to The New York Times, dismissing the power of four of the biggest progressive stars in the House: Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (Mich.).
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nancy-pelosi-netroots-192943694.html

    Can't wait for CW to talk about the Democrat Civil War... :D

  63. [63] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Donald Trump will win the Democratic Party civil war

    ..by Donald Trump, Jr.

    Really? That's your authority on the Dems?

    But you get credit for one salient thing: repetition is the soul of politics. If Trump goes to the G20 and makes a screaming idiot out of himself, there are 20 stories in the right wing media saying that he didn't.

    And you repeat all of them.

  64. [64] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Can't wait for CW to talk about the Democrat Civil War...

    There is no Democrat Civil War. That's a creation of the far left and Russian bots.

    But, hey, worked for you the last time, eh?

  65. [65] 
    Kick wrote:

    JL
    44

    My understanding was that once it came out in the campaign Donald tried to quietly replace the undocumented workers and get visas for the replacements.

    Two years into his presidency, multiple Trump properties are still being exposed for knowingly employing undocumented workers. They were knowingly hired and weren't fired until recently when they were exposed.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/us/trump-workers-fired.html

  66. [66] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really? That's your authority on the Dems?

    Nope.. Common sense is the authority on the Dems..

    Do you HONESTLY believe that a Dem candidate can win on an open borders and free full healthcare for illegals platform??

    Seriously!??

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    There is no Democrat Civil War. That's a creation of the far left and Russian bots.

    Really??

    So NETROOTS NATION is now run by Russia???

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Senator McCarthy, is that you???

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    Two years into his presidency, multiple Trump properties are still being exposed for knowingly employing undocumented workers. They were knowingly hired and weren't fired until recently when they were exposed.

    Any facts that President Trump knew??

    Of course not.. Yer source is the NY TIMES

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    If Trump goes to the G20 and makes a screaming idiot out of himself, there are 20 stories in the right wing media saying that he didn't.

    ANd yer only sources are Leftist Media propaganda that is nothing but Trump/America hating..

    So, what's yer point???

  70. [70] 
    Michale wrote:

    Feud Among House Democrats Remains on Public Display

    Tweet from official account of the caucus criticizes top aide to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, fueling acrimony

    Acrimony among House Democrats continued to flare on public display into the weekend, despite efforts by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to keep discord between Democratic leadership and more progressive members private.

    Mrs. Pelosi (D., Calif.) this week had urged Democratic lawmakers not to make grievances with each other public, telling her caucus in a closed-door meeting to avoid criticizing each on Twitter.

    But on Friday night, the House Democrats’ official Twitter account extended a continuing spat over the party’s policy direction by criticizing a top aide to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.), a progressive star who has tried to push House leaders to the political left during her first months in Congress.

    The Twitter account that represents the full House Democratic Caucus criticized Saikat Chakrabarti, chief of staff to Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, for comments he had made about another lawmaker, Rep. Sharice Davids (D., Kan.), who is of Native American heritage.

    ?
    @HouseDemocrats
    Who is this guy and why is he explicitly singling out a Native American woman of color?

    Her name is Congresswoman Davids, not Sharice.

    She is a phenomenal new member who flipped a red seat blue.

    Keep????????Her????????Name????????Out????????Of????????Your????????Mouth.

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    Two weeks ago, Mr. Chakrabarti had criticized Ms. Davids for her vote on a bill that sent $4.6 billion in aid to the border with Mexico but lacked restrictions on Trump administration policies that progressives sought. Mr. Chakrabarti wrote that Ms. Davids’ votes “are showing her to enable a racist system.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/feud-among-house-democrats-remains-on-public-display-11563050222

    Nothing but Russian Bots, eh???

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yunno, Balthy... Denying the FACTS and REALITY is exactly why President Trump was elected...

  71. [71] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The truth is, that Pelosi (as ever) has her finger on the pulse of the Democratic Party, which is, to endless republicant gnashing of teeth, more centrist and less liberal than the media would have them be.

    The hope, of course, is that this fixation on liberal members of the caucus would pull the party in that direction - more or less the inverse of what's happened with the Republicants.

    Don't hold your breath. Democrats will still rally around a centrist candidate and win, no matter how many of these silly games the right plays.

  72. [72] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Democrats, are certainly seem hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s."
    -Occasional Cortex's Chief of Staff

    Yea... Nothing but Russian Bots... :eyeroll:

  73. [73] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    C'mon. Everyone knows that twitter is filled with Russian bots.

  74. [74] 
    Michale wrote:

    Don't hold your breath. Democrats will still rally around a centrist candidate and win, no matter how many of these silly games the right plays.

    Yea??? You want to put a wager on that??? :D

    Because the *ONLY* "centrist" candidate is MAYBE Biden..

    But he is being dragged so far Left, there is little daylight between the Center and the Hysterical Left..

  75. [75] 
    Michale wrote:

    C'mon. Everyone knows that twitter is filled with Russian bots.

    But that's not what YOU are saying..

    YOU are saying that Occasional Cortex's Chief Of Staff and the Democrat Caucus Twitter feed is "Russian Bots"..

  76. [76] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    he is being dragged so far Left, there is little daylight between the Center and the Hysterical Left..

    Yep, that's the hope of Republicants. I doubt that things will turn out that way...

  77. [77] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    YOU are saying that Occasional Cortex's Chief Of Staff and the Democrat Caucus Twitter feed is "Russian Bots"..

    Nope. But good try putting things in my mouth. Who CARES other than Faux news what he says.

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yep, that's the hope of Republicants. I doubt that things will turn out that way...

    Yea, that's YER hope.. But the facts say different..

    Nope. But good try putting things in my mouth.

    You are saying all the conflict is nothing but Russian Bots..

    Yet, I quote VERY specific people and groups and YOU claim it's nothing but Russian bots..

    So, I am simply pointing out what YOU are saying..

    If you are NOT saying all the conflict is nothing but Russian Bots, then address the FACT of what these Democrats and Democrat groups are saying..

    Why can't you address the facts???

  79. [79] 
    Michale wrote:

    Why can't you address the facts???

    I'll tell you why..

    Because the FACTS of a Democrat Civil war are actual and reality and you can't handle the facts..

    So you, in true Red Scare/Senator McCarthy fashion, blame the Russians..

    You, of course, have NO FACTS to support your Russia delusion...

    As usual, I have ALL the facts on my side and all you have is your Red Scare Russia delusions...

    Like I said.. It will be very interesting to hear CW's report about the Russia Civil War.. He runs a REALITY BASED forum and I doubt he will wallow in the denial/delusion that it's all just Russia Bots..

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, along with Democratic Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts—all women of color—have criticized Mrs. Pelosi for recent comments that appeared to dismiss their influence.

    Fact or Russia bots??

    FACT...

    At a gathering of progressive activists called Netroots Nation in Philadelphia on Friday, the crowd booed Mrs. Pelosi a few times during a panel discussion on the obstacles progressives face in Congress.

    Fact or Russia bots??

    FACT

    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said this week that she felt Mrs. Pelosi was persistently singling out “newly elected women of color,” and that the speaker’s comments were disrespectful. The remarks drew fire on Thursday from fellow members of minority groups in the caucus, some of whom opposed her amendment.

    Fact or Russia bots??

    FACT

    I have FACTS..

    You have your Red Scare Russia delusion..

  81. [81] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    YOU and I know the truth, don't we?

    Sure, there's some spouting of left-leaning stuff at the Netroots conference. Par for the course. There are also some russian-leaning leftists in there, also par for the course.

    To reject the Russians as a source of much of it only shows just how far up Trump's ass you are.

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    YOU and I know the truth, don't we?

    Yes, you have your "truth" and I have the FACTS... Somehow, I don't believe they are the same.. :D

    Sure, there's some spouting of left-leaning stuff at the Netroots conference.

    Ahhh.. OK.. So NOW you are acknowledging the facts as I have put them out, but NOW you're argument is they don't matter much.

    OK.. OK.... That's a MUCH better argument.. Rather than just simply DENYING the facts (which I won't let you get away with it), NOW it's your claim that it's meaningless...

    A subjective argument that can't be proven wrong..

    MUCH better.. Kudos..

    And I agree. Each instance, in and of itself, doesn't amount to a whole hill o' beans..

    But... Taken COLLECTIVELY, it paints a picture of a Party in turmoil.. A Party turned against itself..

    To reject the Russians as a source of much of it only shows just how far up Trump's ass you are.

    Awww.. NOW you are back to the argument that it WASN'T Occasional Cortex's Chief of Staff who accused the entire Democrat Party of being racist..

    NOW you are back to claiming it's NOT the chief of staff.. It's a Russia Bot..

    Do you have ANY facts that even INDICATE that these inter-Party attacks have a Russia "source"???

    Any facts at all???

    Nope.. Not a SINGLE one..

    All you have is WISHFUL thinking because you can't handle the fact that your Democrat Party is disintegrating before everyone's eyes..

    As I said.. It's going to be very interesting to hear CW's first person account of the strife...

    Will he acknowledge the facts?? Or will he, as you try to do, write it off as nothing but Russia bots..

    Stay tuned.. :D

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    Racial politics roil Democratic Party

    Democrats who have called President Trump and his policies racist are now pointing fingers at one another on issues of race.

    Allegations of racial insensitivity are flying between the 2020 Democratic contenders, as well as between House Democrats, raising concerns that internecine squabbles over identity and race are tarnishing party leaders and distracting Democrats from their goal of ousting the president in 2020.

    The racially charged controversies that have swirled around former Vice President Joe Biden, 76, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), 79, have also put a spotlight on the generational rift within the party.

    Longtime Democratic leaders are facing new scrutiny from their younger peers over their past records. And they’re being called out for their rhetoric, which in some cases has offended the younger generation of liberals.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/452856-racial-politics-roil-democratic-party

    Excuse me!?? Senator!? Senator McCarthy???

    Do you have ANY facts to support the claim that this inter-Party squabbling is nothing but Russia Bots??

    Any Facts at all??

    Senator??? Senator McCarthy???

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    Frustrated lawmakers say the backbiting over race has gotten out of control. They want to see it come to an end so Democrats can return their focus to their agenda in the House and defeating Trump at the ballot box.

    “It’s damaging to this party and the internal workings of the Democratic Party,” said Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.). “I can tell you it’s not helpful.”

    Tensions exploded on Capitol Hill this week after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) accused Pelosi of singling out women of color for criticism, as divisions linger over the passage of a $4.6 billion border bill.

    Pelosi has been dismissive of the influence on Capitol Hill held by Ocasio-Cortez and three other rising Democratic Party stars — Reps. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) — the group of freshman female lawmakers with massive followings on social media.

    Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks ignited a long-simmering feud with the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC).

    CBC members, such as Clay, exploded in anger at Ocasio-Cortez for having “used the race card” and accused progressives of seeking to oust black lawmakers by endorsing their primary challengers.

    Again... These are ALL facts.. Documented facts.... Not some anonymous shadowy "sources" that refuse to step into the light..

    These are Democrats going on the record with making these statements...

    You do your cause NO justice by hiding your head in the sand and denying the reality...

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sanders says Pelosi is being 'a little' too tough on progressives like Ocasio-Cortez

    "You’ve got to bring them in," Sanders said of progressive House members pushing for more change, "not alienate them.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/sanders-says-pelosi-being-little-too-tough-progressives-ocasio-cortez-n1029706

    Once again.. NOT "Russian bots"...

    FACTS...

    And here's the funny thing..

    It's a WIN WIN for President Trump and the country..

    If Pelosi caves, the Far Left push will continue and accelerate.. That makes any candidate un-electable and President Trump and the country wins...

    If Pelosi stands firm, petulant progressives will stay home election day and President Trump and the country wins..

    So, it doesn't matter if you think it's Russian bots or not..

    The facts remain the same...

  86. [86] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    59

    Regarding the Trump "hypocrisy" when it comes to hiring illegals..

    Nice admission there. Trump has definitely been hiring illegal workers for multiple decades so it would be a supreme waste of time and hot air and indeed pointless for anyone to claim otherwise with the decades of documented evidence readily available to anyone with a keyboard and the ability to search the Internet... unless they endeavored to be considered a complete prat, of course.

    https://tinyurl.com/y3clewgn

    I think it's been established that it's perfectly acceptable for people to "game the system" even though they pay lip service to opposing it..

    For example.. I had castigated Democrats for using the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling to the full advantage even though they condemned it as a threat to our democracy..

    You do realize, of course, that a SCOTUS ruling makes it legal even if it is undesirable?

    I was told there is nothing wrong with someone who games the system to their advantage even though they speak out, opposing it..

    You're now comparing the "system" of legal SCOTUS rulings with the "system" of employers like Trump who've illegally been hiring illegal immigrants at multiple entities and for multiple decades.

    Probably every club in the United States has that because it seems to be from what I understand a way that people did business. Every club practically in the United States that's the way they did business. ~ Donald Trump, 7/5/2019

    Nice recent admission by Trump, wouldn't you say? But he might as well start making excuses like "everybody was doing it" since he's being investigated by the State of New York for multiple illegal employment practices.

    I'm guessing that Trump won't be ordering arrests at the golf courses of "every club practically in the United States" for doing business that way for decades. I would also wager without hesitation that ICE won't be ordered to raid the Trump Winery or Trump Vineyard Estates in Charlottesville, Virginia or any of the multitude of rural farms from sea to shining sea that have been knowingly hiring illegal immigrants for years and years. Nope. They'll be targeting "certain" illegal immigrants in "Blue" cities while blaming Democrats while at the same time turning a blind eye to their own illegal hiring practices. No, Trump won't be targeting his own businesses or places across America like Devin Nunes' dairy farm in Iowa or in rural areas of the United States, and that's exactly how you know he's completely full of shit on this immigration issue and simply running yet another con.

    Thanks for the written admission that you don't mind criminals or hypocrites in the least as long as they're spewing your political views out of their mouths while they've been doing the exact opposite in full public view for decades. :)

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    "So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
    -President Donald Trump

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_c72AyVAAAEGcf.png

    Hehehehehehehehehehe

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    “On top of not accepting an America that elected us, you cannot accept that we don’t fear you, either. You can’t accept that we will call your bluff & offer a positive vision for this country. And that’s what makes you seethe.”
    -Occasional Cortex

    Funny thing is, it's OCCASIONAL who can't handle the FACT that America ALSO elected President Trump...

    And that makes the biatch seethe... :D

  89. [89] 
    Kick wrote:

    They don't call it fear and smear for no reason, and it isn't remotely about illegal immigration. Don't let the guy who's been hiring illegal immigrants for decades now fool you; this is simply his way of driving a wedge between Americans and dividing them against each other.

    In other words: Same shit, different day. #SSDD

    Ask yourself this: How is the bullshit Trump is tweeting today any different than the birtherism crap he spewed about the President of the United States for multiple years? It isn't.

    2012 is the time we are going to send Mr. Obama home to Kenya or wherever it is. ~ Mark Meadows

    This is the same disgusting drivel Trump and his ilk have been delivering for multiple years now where certain American citizens are labelled and dismissed as not "American enough" and suggesting they go back to the country they came from... same thing they did to the former President of the United States for about 10 years. Until the day Trump suggests that his third wife who worked illegally in this country needs to go back to the shithole communist socialist republic she came from, you'll know not to take seriously any of this routine bullshit he and his ilk are regularly spewing.

    Are illegals really a problem for a guy who had a modelling agency where young models were told to lie that they were tourists while knowingly coming into America in order to work? Nope. Trump married one of them because there really are jobs Americans won't do.

    Being that the GOP and Trump cult aren't exactly known for their ability to connect dots in any way, shape, or fashion, it's up to the rest of America to do it for them and clue them in to the facts of which many of them seem totally unaware: This shit isn't new or cute or funny; it's simply the same message being cranked out by the GOP writ large for nigh on a decade now, and it's disgusting and ought to be called out and recognized for the complete bullshit that it is... and there you have it. :)

  90. [90] 
    Kick wrote:

    Balthasar
    81

    To reject the Russians as a source of much of it only shows just how far up Trump's ass you are.

    That certainly explains its gargantuan size. :)

  91. [91] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    It is so telling that Republicans love to point to Democrats having differing opinions and claiming that those differing opinions are “destroying” the party! At first, this seemed like their typical rhetorical spin...but then I realized that they sincerely believe that such simple divisions of opinion could destroy a party. It also seems that mainstream media is just as guilty by claiming the disagreements equate to the Democrats “destroying itself from the inside”. It would be comical if it weren’t so damaging to make such accusations.

    It is obvious that the GOP has become a party that no longer allows members to hold beliefs that differ from what Trump says he believes at any given moment. So it shouldn’t be that surprising with the giddiness that someone like Michale posts about Democrats disagreeing with each other; in the bubble he exists, such disagreements cannot be allowed to exist and people’s careers are destroyed as a result!

  92. [92] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    Sorry not to respond to your many replies to my post...was without my iPad until just now.

    Just a quick point...yes, people who are in this country without proper documentation are breaking the law. And as the laws are written, being here without documentation is equivalent to being cited for jay-walking. Jay-walking doesn’t normally require a person being held in jail for weeks.

    And please realize that those breaking the law are those without documentation AND who are not seeking asylum, mind you, as it is NOT a crime to seek asylum nor does it require any documentation! . And it should not be up for debate that seeking asylum NEVER warrants being thrown in overcrowded cages and ripping children from their families! We do not treat people seeking asylum like criminals in this country! That isn’t an America anyone should be proud of.

  93. [93] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Don Harris,

    Choosing the wrong that is more right only applies when there are only wrong choices.

    When there is a right choice, choosing the wrong that is more right is merely rationalization for making the wrong choice.

    Your reasoning flaw is that receiving donations that are within legal limits IS NOT WRONG! When people say they want BIG MONEY out of our politics, do they literally mean they care whether someone gives $500 or $50 to a campaign or are they saying that they are tired of politicians acting like prostitutes offering up political favors for money? I’m guessing the latter. So your whole concept of “right/wrong” is based solely on your opinion.

    You offer no evidence to demonstrate that politicians who only take small donations do a better job at serving their constituents than those that accept all-sizes of legal donations. Your solution solves nothing.

  94. [94] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Hey Kick - you called it: [87] is a bunch of racist crap. Hell, even three out of the four congresswomen that he mentioned were born in the US.

    As far as [88] goes, he seems to be the only one seething!

    Mike: you need a new hobby, man.

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    It is so telling that Republicans love to point to Democrats having differing opinions and claiming that those differing opinions are “destroying” the party!

    Ahhh that explains it..

    Democrats are accusing other Democrats of being racists..

    To Democrat, THAT is just a "difference of opinion"...

    Figures.. :D

    Just a quick point...yes, people who are in this country without proper documentation are breaking the law.

    Thank you. Nice to have someone finally admit the facts..

    And please realize that those breaking the law are those without documentation AND who are not seeking asylum, mind you, as it is NOT a crime to seek asylum nor does it require any documentation! .

    No, it's NOT a crime to seek asylum..

    Just like it's NOT a crime to want your neighbors 70" OLED SMART TV...

    But it IS a crime to break into your neighbors house and take your neighbors TV...

    Just as it IS a crime to break into a country without going thru the proper border checkpoints..

    And it should not be up for debate that seeking asylum NEVER warrants being thrown in overcrowded cages and ripping children from their families!

    Seeking asylum DOESN'T warrant that.. But committing a crime DOES warrant that..

    And THAT is what we are talking about.. Committing crimes..

    We do not treat people seeking asylum like criminals in this country!

    We are not treating people seeking asylum like criminals.

    We are treating the people who commit crimes like criminals..

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mike: you need a new hobby, man.

    I know you believe that.. Because I kick ya'all's ass every day and twice on Monday.. :D

    If I was getting my ass kick every day I too would beg the ass kicker to get a new hobby.. :D

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nikki Haley slams 'disgusting' silence from Dems after Mexican flag raised at ICE facility

    Former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley on Sunday condemned prominent Democrats for staying mum after protesters demonstrating outside a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility last week pulled down the American flag and flew the flag of Mexico in its place.

    Crews in Aurora, Colorado, restored the American flag Friday evening. The protesters also removed a "Blue Lives Matter" flag, honoring law enforcement, spray-painted it with the words "Abolish ICE," then raised the flag upside-down, on a pole next to the Mexican flag, local media reported.

    "There are no words for why the Democrats are staying silent on this," Haley wrote. "If this is your way to winning an election, fire your strategist. This is disgusting. Love your country. And if you don’t like what is happening then tell the members of Congress to get to work and fix it."
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nikki-haley-mexican-flag-ice-facility-democrats-disgusting-silence

    This is why Democrats will lose in 2020.. Because the FACTS clearly show that they hate America...

  98. [98] 
    Michale wrote:

    So it shouldn’t be that surprising with the giddiness that someone like Michale posts about Democrats disagreeing with each other;

    So, you are disagreeing with Blathy and acknowledging that these ARE Democrat statements. Not Russian bots..

    You simply contend that accusing fellow Democrats of racism is just "disagreeing".. That it doesn't mean a civil war..

    OK.. That's a MUCH better argument than trying to claim the "differences" don't exist... Much better than ignoring the FACTS and REALITY..

    Of course, you are still wrong..

    These blue on blue attacks are much MUCH more than simple disagreements..

    Democrats are attacking Democrats as viciously as they attack Republicans.. Throwing around racist accusations left and right...

    This is FAR from "simple disagreements"... I know you can't concede that...

    But the facts are the facts..

  99. [99] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats keep picking the losing side

    Many conservatives cheered as President Donald Trump pursued adding a question about American citizenship back into the Census forms that will be delivered nationwide next year. It seems common sense that a nation would want to know how many citizens it has, after all.

    Scott Jennings
    Scott Jennings
    Polling backed up that sentiment. Sixty percent of Americans, including "a majority of voters from all demographics" and a plurality of Democrats (49%), backed the president's position in a Hill-HarrisX national survey. A second survey — this one by YouGov in conjunction with The Economist — found 53 percent of Americans wanted the question asked versus just 32 percent who didn't.
    Democrats raged against the question, claiming it would deter people from filling out the form. What people? Presumably those living in the United States illegally. While Trump's ultimately backing down on adding the question disappointed many conservatives, the political optics were clear: Trump had yet again baited the Democrats into taking the wrong side of a hot button issue.

    Apart from immigration-related matters, I continue to scratch my head over Democrats going all-in on other issues wherein public opinion is squarely against them. Take the busing matter, for instance. While Kamala Harris received widespread plaudits for hammering Joe Biden in the first debate, public opinion on federally mandated busing is clear — most people really hated it. I suppose that's why Harris backtracked on the federal mandates after her debate performance — someone explained to her just how unpopular her position would be in a general election.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/opinions/democrats-keep-picking-the-losing-side-jennings/index.html

    Once again, President Trump plays the tune and the Democrats dance to it..

    2020 is going to be such a rout for President Trump and the GOP..

    ANY Party who goes on the record as supporting full and free healthcare for illegal immigrants and supporting decriminalization/open borders is a Party that simply won't win an American election.

    And ya'all just HAVE to know that..

    But I understand why you can't admit it or concede it..

  100. [100] 
    Michale wrote:

    Things Keep Getting Worse For The Fake "Science" Of Human-Caused Global Warming

    If you follow closely the subject of hypothesized human-caused global warming, you probably regularly experience, as I do, a strong sense of cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you read dozens of pieces from seemingly authoritative media sources, as well as from important political officeholders, declaring that the causal relationship between human CO2 emissions and rapidly rising global temperatures is definitive; declaring that “the science is settled”; and further declaring that impending further increases in temperatures over the next decade or several decades are an “existential crisis” that must be addressed immediately through complete transformation of our economy at enormous cost.

    On the other hand, you studied the scientific method back in high school, and you can’t help asking yourself the basic questions that that method entails:

    What is the falsifiable hypothesis that is claimed to have been empirically validated? You can’t find it!

    What was the null hypothesis, and what about the data caused the null hypothesis to be rejected? You can’t find that either!

    Where can you get access to the methodology (computer code) and the full data set that was used in the hypothesis validation process; and are those sufficient to fully replicate the results? You can’t find these things either!

    You learn that there have been major after-the-fact adjustments to the principal data sets that are used to claim rapidly warming global temperatures and to justify press releases claiming that a given year or month was the “hottest ever.” You look to see if you can find details supporting the data alterations, and you learn that such details are not available, as if they are some kind of top secret from the Soviet Union. (You can read my 23-part series on this subject at this link.)
    https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2019-7-12-things-keep-getting-worse-for-the-fake-science-of-human-caused-global-warming

    It's funny to hear the Left talk about "science" as if it can all be taken on faith... ;D

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    How to dramatically reduce gun violence in American cities

    America’s urban gun violence problem can feel intractable. But Thomas Abt’s new book, Bleeding Out, offers a solution.

    As someone who’s written about gun violence for years at Vox, I’ve typically focused on gun control — and I’ve made it no secret that I think the US will have to heavily restrict access to guns and reduce the number of firearms within our borders if we ever hope to get to the much lower levels of gun violence that all other developed countries experience.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/12/20679091/thomas-abt-bleeding-out-urban-gun-violence-book-review

    Fine...

    All you have to do is repeal the 2nd Amendment..

  102. [102] 
    Michale wrote:

    Few 2020 Dems Address Netroots, Where Warren Reigns

    Rachel Earnest is with her. Like others who attended, the Pennsylvania voter told RealClearPolitics she can’t stand the thought of “another white guy in the White House.”
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/14/few_2020_dems_address_netroots_where_warren_reigns_140781.html

    Another Democrat racist declares herself.. :eyeroll:

  103. [103] 
    Michale wrote:

    Lest anyone misunderstand, during a breakout session Michigan Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib reiterated her swearing-in night promise regarding President Trump: “We’re going to impeach the MF’er, don’t worry!”

    No. You are not.. Biatch.. :D

  104. [104] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is a small sampling of the rhetoric from the premiere political convention for progressives. But at a moment when the Democratic Party has shifted farther left than ever before, what are we to make of the fact that less than a quarter of the candidates eager for a chance to challenge Trump bothered to show up?

    To deny that the Overton window has shifted dramatically to the Left for the Democrat Party is simply to deny reality..

    How do you people expect to win election when you cannot even admit to reality???

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    Speaking of denying reality....

    Trump is progressive enemy No. 1 in the halls of the Philadelphia Convention Center this weekend. And the Democratic brass is a close runner-up. The activists and community organizers and voters in attendance seem hell-bent on knocking out both come 2020.

    Anyone who claims that there is no Democrat Civil War is ALSO denying reality...

    Now, if you want to argue that it's early in the election season and there is plenty of time for the Democrat Party to come together and heal their divisions, I would agree with you... I would also point out how ya'all are in such sad shape that I have to provide you with logical and rational rebuttals to my own points.. :D

    But I would agree with the point that ...er.. ya'all are making..

    It IS early in the election season and it IS possible that Democrats could come together in time for the election..

    But those factual possibilities do not NEGATE the fact that, in the here and now, there IS a Democrat Civil War going on...

    Ya'all who deny this fact are also denying the reality...

    And THAT doesn't bode well for the future of the Democrat Party..

  106. [106] 
    Michale wrote:

    The New York senator also talked about her own son, who will have “moments in his life that his whiteness protects him. His whiteness changes how he's treated. When he walks down a street in a hoodie with a bag of M&Ms in his pocket, he won't be shot."

    But if he attacks an armed individual and sucker punches him and tries to kill him by banging his head against the pavement (which is what happened in the scenario that Gillibrand is referring to) then, yes.. Your son WILL be shot..

    The color of the skin had nothing to do with anything..

    But, the Racist Party... I mean the DEMOCRAT Party has to make everything about race..

    Even in their own inter-party squabbles..

  107. [107] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Palestinian Problem Is Dying of Natural Causes

    It turns out that time is on Israel's side, as Ambassador Yoram Ettinger and other Israeli analysts have argued for years. The Arab "demographic time bomb" turned out to be a dud, as fertility rates plunge across the Muslim world, a phenomenon I discussed in my 2011 book How Civilizations Die. In a 2011 analysis for Asia Times, I counseled Israel not to attempt to make peace with a Palestinian population heavily tilted towards hot-headed youngsters, and to wait until the declining Palestinian fertility rate had raised the average age of the West Bank population. Like Northern Ireland, the militants would find themselves married with mortgages (at least those who survived). Prime Minister Netanyahu generously commented on the article when it was published.

    Although the aging kleptocrats who still run the Palestine Authority out of Ramallah won't admit it, the time is ripe for the kind of peace plan that the Trump administration offered at last month's Bahrain conference. Drafted under the direction of presidential adviser Jared Kushner, the plan would channel $50 billion in development aid to the West Bank over a ten-year period. Israeli observers note that despite the PA's intransigence, the administration plan has shifted the debate in the Middle East and isolated the Palestinian jihadists.

    By way of background, I repost below my 2011 analysis. President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu are doing precisely the right thing.
    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/the-palestinian-problem-is-dying-of-natural-causes/

    I don't care how the problem dies..

    But the terrorism has to stop before ANY real peace can be achieved...

    "Those who hate and fight must stop it themselves. Or it is never really stopped.."
    -Spock, STAR TREK, The Day Of The Dove

  108. [108] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    95

    We are treating the people who commit crimes like criminals..

    Check your mirror, Mike. You have zero moral authority to preach to anyone about crime, and you know it. :D

  109. [109] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Listen-
    Your reasoning flaw is that your claim that receiving contributions that are within the legal limit is not wrong is based solely on your opinion.

    There is nothing wrong with having an opinion on what is right and what is wrong.

    And citizens that agree with your opinion can support and vote for big money candidates and citizens that agree with my opinion can participate in One Demand if CW and other media do their job and inform citizens aboot the opportunity.

    I am constantly told here that there are no candidates that meet the One Demand criteria.

    So the "proof" you are requiring does not exist.

    80% of citizens are already convinced that big money is a corrupting influence or they wouldn't want the big money out of our political process. So while you and others in the 20% may try to rationalize your position with a similar call for proof that is irrelevant such as specific instances of that corruption to convince you, 80% of citizens realize that is not needed to form their opinion.

    But evidence of whether a small donor candidate will better represent ordinary citizens can be obtained by trying One Demand.

    It is the only way to obtain the evidence you claim to seek.

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump administration announces major crackdown on asylum seekers
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-announces-major-crackdown-on-asylum-seekers

    The Trump administration is the only administration to tackle the problem head on.. NOT kick the can down the road..

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    Of Progressive Carnivores and Cannibals

    The progressive-socialist party has absorbed what is left of the old Democratic Party. Its iconoclasts are not satisfied with erasing the images or commemorations of old white public enemies of the past—Father Serra, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson—but have quite logically turned their identity politics venom on all old white people of the present, including some of their own left-wing brethren.

    At first, the progressive Old Guard in Congress, like good Girondists, found the revolutionary carnivores useful in reducing the ranks of the Trumpians, the Tea Party, Reagan Democrats, old Perot voters, and the white working class to the inanimate status of “deplorables,” “irredeemables,” “clingers,” and “dregs”—and with them, the bigoted, racist, sexist, nativist, classist, homophobic, and xenophobic Republican Party. Certainly, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), and a few geriatric sympathizers, such as Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), enjoyed the progressive feasting on the Ancien Regime—especially the unity offered by shared hatred of the obviously soon to be impeached, deposed, exiled and discredited Donald J. Trump.

    But revolutionary carnivores are rarely sated. Once they run out of easy hostile targets—and they have with the collapse of the Mueller hoax and all the other impeachment melodramas—they get hungry and as cannibals start to eye their own.

    We have already seen that autophagy in the initial primary debates in which all the major Democratic presidential candidates—Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, Robert O’Rourke, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren—shouted out the most outlandish agendas possible in a desperate effort to ensure that no rival could possibly pose more to their left.

    Poor, condemned Joe Biden renounced almost everything he once believed in and yet still was reduced metaphorically to screaming for his life on the guillotine stage that he was a revolutionary after all! Had Biden in his first debate only yelled back at his attacker, Harris, “If you really want the return of federally mandated busing of school children, then go out and run on busing and see where it gets you!”
    https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/14/of-progressive-carnivores-and-cannibals/

    Once again.. The Democrat Party has moved so far Left it can't even SEE the center anymore..

    And those why try to hold onto the center will simply be devoured...

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    Tom Homan: Democrats are lying to the American people about ICE and immigration -- here’s why that’s dangerous

    What is going on in this country right now, especially on Capitol Hill, is nothing short of deceitful behavior which intentionally distorts the truth in order to win a political battle.

    I saw it firsthand when I testified on Capitol Hill this past Friday, in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform. Aside from the six minutes I was given to read my opening statement, there was an attempt by most Democrats on that committee to silence me.

    The issues surrounding zero tolerance and the conditions of confinement at Border Patrol stations is an important one and it is vital that the American people know the facts. But every time one of the witnesses or members of Congress said something that was downright wrong – a lie, an intentional mis-truth – and I attempted to speak up and correct the record, I was refused many times the opportunity to speak.

    They didn’t want to hear from me. They didn’t want the truth. They simply wanted to continue to push their false narrative about the Border Patrol and ICE. They wanted to continually attack our president.

    The hearing was nothing but political theater to misinform the American people. It was politics at its worse.

    Toward the second half of the hearing, I finally decided that I was not going to be silenced any longer. If they didn’t want to hear what I had to say, then I was going to interject, interrupt and speak to the American people. I refuse to be bullied, and I will not be silenced in my support of the Border Patrol and ICE or in support of the truth.

    Further, as ICE prepared to conduct a nationwide operation, Democratic leaders such as Nancy Pelosi held a press conference to instruct those who have violated our nation’s laws on how they can evade federal law enforcement. How they can evade the law. How what ICE is doing is un-American and they need to resist.

    Are you kidding me?
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tom-homan-democrats-are-lying-to-the-american-people-about-ice-and-immigration-heres-why-thats-dangerous

    As I have said.. Democrats are some of the biggest liars in the country..

    And they support actions and take actions that put American lives at risk...

  113. [113] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    You claim to support law enforcement,

    And I prove it every day I make an END OF WATCH post honoring those men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice so the Democrats that hate and despise them can be safe...

    And I respect you for doing this....and for posting it separately from your posts claiming that the rapist is who decides whether their victim permitted the sexual offense to occur... something that flies in the face of what even rookies knows the law states!

    Or when you make comments like:

    What happens when an American commits a crime??

    He is arrested and separated from his family..

    That’s not true for all crimes...but you know that and just choose to be dishonest in your arguments.

    People aren’t typically jailed for misdemeanors...nor do we jail children! Hell, in most states a child under the age of 12 cannot even be arrested. These children aren’t being taking in by the state’s Child Services agencies, they are being thrown in cages....children who are less than a year old are being tossed in overcrowded cages and are left to fend for themselves or rely on the kindness of strangers (older children) to survive. What police department does that to the children of a person who has at most committed a misdemeanor???

    Michale, this is basically like you finding a child in your home one morning who had escaped his kidnapper during the night and in desperation broke into your house searching for something to eat...and as you witness the tearful reunion when the parents arrive, you turn to the police officer and insist that the child be prosecuted for burglary!

  114. [114] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    If ICE is rounding up criminals who have broken the law, why doesn’t ICE have warrants granting them authority to go in and take these people into custody? That is how law enforcement typically goes about taking people from their homes who are wanted.

    Do you mind answering why they cannot get warrants for these raids?

  115. [115] 
    neilm wrote:

    And I prove it every day I make an END OF WATCH post honoring those men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice so the Democrats that hate and despise them can be safe...

    Making cheap political points off of dead heroes is pretty pathetic Michale. Apologize, not to us, but to the memories and families of the heroes you are sullying by making it seem that their sacrifice was only for Trump supporters.

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    What happens when an American commits a crime??

    He is arrested and separated from his family..

    That’s not true for all crimes...but you know that and just choose to be dishonest in your arguments.

    The fact that it happens only sometimes is not relevant to the fact that it IS what happens.

    If these illegal immigrant criminals don't want to be separated from their families, they need to stop breaking our laws...

    Why is that so hard for you to understand??

    Michale, this is basically like you finding a child in your home one morning who had escaped his kidnapper during the night and in desperation broke into your house searching for something to eat..

    No, it's nothing like that..

    It's like a person breaking into your home and living their SOLELY because you have a nicer home than they do..

    If ICE is rounding up criminals who have broken the law, why doesn’t ICE have warrants granting them authority to go in and take these people into custody?

    They DO have warrants for these raids..

  117. [117] 
    Michale wrote:

    Making cheap political points off of dead heroes is pretty pathetic Michale. Apologize, not to us, but to the memories and families of the heroes you are sullying by making it seem that their sacrifice was only for Trump supporters.

    I am not surprised you see it that way..

    Democrats are well known and well documented cop haters..

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    People aren’t typically jailed for misdemeanors...

    They are if they are a flight risk..

    nor do we jail children!

    Make up your mind?? Do you want families to stay together or do you not want to jail children??

    Because, when it comes to illegal immigrant criminals, you can't have it both ways..

  119. [119] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's really simple..

    If illegal immigrant parents don't want their alleged "children" taken from them...

    They need to quit breaking our laws..

    How can you not understand such a simple concept??

    And why didn't we hear any whining from ya'all when this was going on during Obama The First's reign??

  120. [120] 
    Kick wrote:

    And why didn't we hear any whining from ya'all when this was going on during Obama The First's reign??

    Hey, y'all… let's cut to the chase on the hypocrisy issue. Does Mike have the moral authority to lecture anyone regarding breaking "our laws"?

    He absolutely does not, and he knows very well why he doesn't. Law enforcement officer? *laughs*

  121. [121] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again.. President Trump sets the tune and the hysterical Trump/America haters dance to it.. :D

  122. [122] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump tweet went too far … but he has a point
    https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/07/14/trump-tweet-went-too-far-but-he-has-a-point/

    Basically, President Trump tweeted what every patriotic American has wanted to scream from the rooftops for the last decade...

    President Trump gets it..

    That's why he was elected and that's why he'll win re-election in a landslide..

  123. [123] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    President Trump gets it..

    He's getting it, alright. From all sides. And these are the days when the crudest, rudest Donald comes out. Look, Don, just because you haven't (yet) broken the economy, doesn't mean that we love you.

    Nope, we loathe you, and what you stand for.

    Respond to that.

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nope, we loathe you, and what you stand for.

    Respond to that.

    Easy..

    You don't like being lusers.. :D

    You really need to come to grips with the fact that President Trump is going to win re-election..

  125. [125] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Do you honestly think that just saying that will make it come true?

    Do you think that all of the people that he's denigrated, from hispanics to women to blacks think that he's okay? Do corporate businessmen, and Philadelphia housewives think that he's cool?

    The fact is, your (and his) base is shrinking, every day. The fact is, he's so outa here that he'll leave skid marks...

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you honestly think that just saying that will make it come true?

    Do you honestly think that a Dem nominee that promises full and free healthcare for illegal immigrants and decriminalized/open borders can win the Presidency??

    Honestly??

    Do you think that all of the people that he's denigrated, from hispanics to women to blacks think that he's okay? Do corporate businessmen, and Philadelphia housewives think that he's cool?

    The fact is, your (and his) base is shrinking, every day. The fact is, he's so outa here that he'll leave skid marks...

    Yea.. Ya said the same thing in 2016... You were wrong then.. Do you honestly believe you are right this time??

    Honestly??

  127. [127] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Do you honestly believe you are right this time?

    Yep. With all my heart. Truth is, the American people were conned by Don Trump the first time, but those days are over. Honestly. Over.

    The ONLY question is: what awful things can he do to this country on his way out the door?

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    The fact is, your (and his) base is shrinking, every day.

    You have ZERO facts to support this claim..

    ZERO... NONE... ZIP... NADA....

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yep. With all my heart.

    I know you do..

    Just like you believed in 2016..

    But you were wrong then..

    And you'll be wrong in 2020...

    Tell me.. What will you do then?? When you are PROVEN wrong AGAIN??

    I noticed you ignored the question about how a Dem candidate who promises decriminalized/open borders and free and full health care for illegal immigrant criminals can be elected??

    There is a reason you ignore that...

    Because you KNOW that a candidate who promises that can't get elected......

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let me put it simply, Balthy..

    With the huge Left ward lurch that the Democrat Party has taken, there is simply **NO WAY** that a Democrat candidate will appeal to Independents and the Trump voters that Democrats MUST HAVE to win..

    If it's ANYONE else but Biden, Independents and NPAs will swing towards Trump by the millions..

    If it IS Biden, then the progressives will stay home by the tens of millions..

    So, you see.. It's simply IMPOSSIBLE that a Democrat candidate can win..

    Either way, it's President Trump by a landslide..

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    If it's ANYONE else but Biden, Independents and NPAs will swing towards Trump by the millions..

    If it IS Biden, then the progressives will stay home by the tens of millions..

    If there is a flaw in that logic....

    "I'm all ears.."
    -Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

  132. [132] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    With the huge Left ward lurch that the Democrat Party has taken,

    Man, it's like you've been locked in a tower during past elections. It always happens this way: first a lurch to the left during the primaries, then a lurch to the right during the general election.

    Biden's good, very good, but he isn't the only one that can do that two-step.

    But you keep putting your faith in that blabbering, lying, bundle of incompetence, and see just how far that gets you.

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    Man, it's like you've been locked in a tower during past elections. It always happens this way: first a lurch to the left during the primaries, then a lurch to the right during the general election.

    So, you deny there is any leftward lurch??

    Com'on dood.. Even CW acknowledges the Overton window has shifted Left for the Democrat Party..

    When EVERY Dem candidate raises their hand to provide full and fee healthcare to illegal immigrant criminals, you KNOW there is a Left ward shift..

    Biden's good, very good, but he isn't the only one that can do that two-step.

    He is the ONLY one that can attract Independents and Trump voters..

    The **ONLY** one..

    But you keep putting your faith in that blabbering, lying, bundle of incompetence, and see just how far that gets you.

    I did in 2016 and it got my chosen one the Presidency..

    You just can't handle the fact that ur losing..

  134. [134] 
    Steedo wrote:

    Hey Kick (120)- Our resident Comrade Donnie's cockholster refuses to engage your remarks about his unsuitability to comment on lawlessness. Sounds like he is scared, got any details for us?

  135. [135] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    They DO have warrants for these raids..

    Ooooohhhhh, how painful it is to have to break the news to you that you are wrong, again! If they had warrants, then ICE agents would not be hindered by people simply NOT opening the door when they knock; isn’t that right?

    Maybe it’s because the crime of entering the country without documentation is such a low level infraction that no court would ever grant them such an invasive tool.

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ooooohhhhh, how painful it is to have to break the news to you that you are wrong, again! If they had warrants, then ICE agents would not be hindered by people simply NOT opening the door when they knock; isn’t that right?

    Whatever you have to tell yourself to make it thru your day.. :D

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hey Kick (120)- Our resident Comrade Donnie's cockholster refuses to

    Any another homophobic jackass amongst us...

    Nice bigoted slur there, asshole..

    Hold yer water... Kick ain't got shit and she knows it..

    She likes to threaten to Dox me and my children... But she knows she is full of shit and everyone else here does too...

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Apologies for missing this..

    And I respect you for doing this....

    Thank you...

  139. [139] 
    Kick wrote:

    Balthasar
    125

    Do you honestly think that just saying that will make it come true?

    That "Red Tsunami" we were promised in 2018 is due any moment now. *laughs*

    Aren't Donald Trump and the Obama haters and Trump cult who spent a large portion of President Obama's two terms in office whining about how bad things were here in America and how stupid Obama is/was just the living embodiment of hypocrites? I mean, really!? If they honestly felt that those who criticized our government and routinely spewed the Trump birther shit about our president were "America haters" who needed to go back to the country they came from, then Trump would have removed himself from our country about a decade ago or those hypocritical gullible minions of his would have sent him packing back to the Outer Hebrides where his wench mother was originally from. Duh!

    The SOB currently occupying the White House has been stoking this shit for decades now and playing white grievance identity politics and whining about what a victim he is. Trump can't take the kind of bigotry and criticism he doled and dished out daily to Obama and his family. Nope. He's got to whine and claim victimhood like a whiney little bitch... correction... Putin's Whiney Little Bitch. :)

    But, as is so often the case, it's quite obvious that connecting the dots isn't exactly the strong suit of these ignorant types who don't quite understand the concept of our Constitution and the First Amendment, but I expect little else from these gaslighting immigrant types like Trump and illegal wife number three who seem to never practice what it is they're preaching, and the Trump's and their ilk are a stench that is going to linger long after they're gone.

    FACT: The prisons of the United States are filling up with the Trump stench, which is why Donald needs everyone focused on anything except Jeffrey Epstein and Trump's modelling agency which has been under investigation for quite awhile now. Buckle up. :)

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    The problem for ya'all is that ya'all are making the EXACT same arguments you made in 2016..

    And ya'all were SPECTACULARLY wrong back then..

    You will be wrong again in 2020... :D And I will make sure ya'all KNOW it.. :D

  141. [141] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale-
    Not buying your if it's anyone but Biden the Democrats will lose claim.

    Biden is the closest of all the candidates to Hillary. Bernie or Warren stand a better chance of attracting independents.

    It is obvious that you want Trump to run against Biden for a repeat of 2016.

    The lurch from Republican Lite to a less Republican Lite by Dems in the primaries is only technically a move to the left but it is not moving to the left of center.

    And independents are no longer buying the move in the primaries, moving back in the general and moving back more when legislating.

    They might believe Bernie or Warren.

    The Dems will not win by competing for Trump supporters. They will only win by offering independents and those that have not been voting a candidate they can believe is not more of the same old bullshit.

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale-
    Not buying your if it's anyone but Biden the Democrats will lose claim.

    Doesn't make it any less factual..

    Anyone but Biden enthusiastically embraces open borders and full free healthcare for illegal immigrant criminals.

    There is simply NO WAY the American people will elect someone like that..

    Biden is the closest of all the candidates to Hillary. Bernie or Warren stand a better chance of attracting independents.

    In 2016, maybe..

    But not in 2020... Americans will not vote for a socialist..

    The Dems will not win by competing for Trump supporters.

    Because they CAN'T compete..

    But it's undeniable that Dems will need Trump voters to win in 2020...

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo...

    Sounds like he is scared, got any details for us?

    Scared??

    I am LAUGHING my ass off at you, that you got suckered.. :D

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  144. [144] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    137

    Nice bigoted slur there, asshole..

    I guess people could take you seriously if you called out the bigot in the White House for his routine shit instead of praising his every utterance like a good little Trump cockholster.

    FACT: Cockholster isn't a homophobic slur; it is a quite common Trump supporter characteristic that is obviously not relegated to a single gender.

    Hold yer water... Kick ain't got shit and she knows it..

    FACT: You have no idea what I know, but you're infinitely aware of your history and how you ain't got shit and how you landed in your shithole. It would be ignorant to assume that the information you provided on this blog isn't searchable.

    She likes to threaten to Dox me and my children...

    FACT: No one has to Dox any fool or his family when said fool had already performed that job for them on multiple occasions archived at the links to everyone's left.

    But she knows she is full of shit and everyone else here does too...

    FACT: You don't know a damn thing about what everyone else here knows either, but you do know your history and would be wise to assume that the information you've provided means never having to say that someone/anyone else with an Internet connection and a keyboard doesn't also know it. Only a shitty law enforcement officer would provide the cornucopia of information that is archived on this blog that you provided for the entire world and all posterity.

    I find it infinitely amusing when the trolling fraud types provide the information that lays bare their own pathetic hypocrisy. *laughs*

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump Is a Racist. If You Still Support Him, So Are You.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-a-racist-if-you-still-support-him-so-are-you

    Still not a SINGLE fact to prove the claim that President Trump is a racist..

    There ARE multitudes of facts that indicate President Trump is NOT a racist..

    The Hysterical Left is going to lose big time in 2020....

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    PHILADELPHIA—It’s still early. There will be 16 more months of speech making and glad-handing and glitzy ballroom fundraisers before Election Day. Not committing to a presidential candidate just yet would make sense. But here at Netroots Nation, the premier annual convention for progressive activists, many attendees already seem fairly certain about their choice: They want Elizabeth Warren, the progressive senator from Massachusetts, to be their next president. And if they have to pick a second choice? It’s Senator Kamala Harris of California.

    Democrats want Lia-awatha as their Dem nominee... :D

    President Trump will wipe the floor with Faux-cohantos...

    :D

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo...

    Allow me to translate for you..

    You ain't gonna get shit because the bitch doesn't have shit...

    So, whine and cry and stamp yer feet all you want..

    It won't get you shit.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  148. [148] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo

    FACT: I don't know about anyone else, but I've never heard of a law enforcement officer worth a shit who would post his own personal information on a blog that is easily searchable and available to the entire world, but then it's very well documented herein and throughout the Internet that Michael seriously isn't worth a shit.

    Let me know if you need further information, and don't forget to thank Michael for exposing himself with a cornucopia of personal details:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/12/24/mr-claus-goes-to-washington/#comment-4291

  149. [149] 
    Steedo wrote:

    M (147) Sorry to hear that yours is a criminal family just like the rapist pedophile that is your turd emperor. And Kick did not have to dox you, it was all your own stupidity and carelessness.

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    M (147) Sorry to hear that yours is a criminal family just like the rapist pedophile that is your turd emperor. And Kick did not have to dox you, it was all your own stupidity and carelessness.

    Then why did you have to ask the bitch for information, dipshit??

    BBBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    "Kahn.. I am laughing at the superior intellect.."
    -Admiral James T Kirk

    Yer nothing but a little punk who can't handle getting his ass handed to him every time he squeaks.. :D

    "Yer nothing. Live with that."
    -Demi Moore, A FEW GOOD MEN

    :D

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    But Steedo's actions are so typical of hysterical Democrats..

    They can't handle being intellectually bested so they have to resort to underhanded and nefarious means to TRY and intimidate people into silence..

    Nice try, Speedo...

    I have faced down bigger scumbags and whiney bitches than you..

    And I am still here and they are not... :D

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kellyanne Conway defies subpoena, skips Oversight hearing
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/kellyanne-conway-subpoena-oversight-hearing-1416132

    Once again, Democrats proving how utterly inept and incompetent and inconsequential they are...

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    President Trump owns the Democrat Party.. :D

  153. [153] 
    Steedo wrote:

    M (151) You are typing on a keyboard asswipe, you haven't faced down anybody. If you have the stones for a real life meeting let me know. How about a cage match where the proceeds go to the winners favorite candidate? Too busy that day?

  154. [154] 
    Michale wrote:

    If you have the stones for a real life meeting let me know.

    Since you already claim to know all about me, you knew wher to find me.. Note that I am carrying 24/7 so make sure your will and testament is up to date, ass....

    Too busy that day?

    Bring it, chickenshit..

    If you have the balls.. Which you and I both know you don't...

  155. [155] 
    Michale wrote:

    Steedo, you remind me of some punk-assed bitch named Mitch Horton..

    He threatened to go "commando" on me, but when I bitch-slapped him all around the forum, he just ran away like the punk-assed bitch he is..

    You another punk-assed bitch that talks and talks, but never walks the walk??

    Yea, I figured as much...

  156. [156] 
    Steedo wrote:

    M (155) I figured you were scared, most pedophile-loving punks are. Any more stories about that guy you were so manly with that time?

  157. [157] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    151

    But Steedo's actions are so typical of hysterical Democrats..

    They can't handle being intellectually bested so they have to resort to underhanded and nefarious means to TRY and intimidate people into silence..

    See, Steedo, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about Donald Trump and the Trump Trash not being able to connect the dots. It completely escapes Mike's so-called "intellect" that when Trump and his minions routinely call for American citizens to leave this country if they won't bow down and suck the baby carrot of the Orange Manbaby (props to Russ for that one, it still never gets old) what do they think they're doing? Newsflash: The Whiner-In-Chief can't take the same criticism he and his cockholsters dished out to Obama for years so they naturally want to silence them... tell them to shut up or leave the country. I mean, really!?

    Mike, seriously, you needn't worry your tiny little mind that you "intellectually" or in any other way "bested" any other poster on this blog. You routinely underwhelm the majority with your well-documented and repetitive circular ignorance and conspiracy theory shit where you've bought "all in" and recite the bullshit back like the useful idiot you're conditioned to be via right-wing propaganda repetition which you spew like a bleating sheeple on cue.

    Nice try, Speedo...

    I have faced down bigger scumbags and whiney bitches than you..

    And I am still here and they are not... :D

    Like I said above regarding your inability to connect the dots to your own hypocrisy, you're referring to Steedo as "hysterical" for trying to silence you when that didn't happen in today's comments and then turning around and bragging about those you've silenced by running them off this blog. So congratulations, Michael; you are the blog poster child for hysteria, hypocrisy, and sheer inability to recognize in yourself what you routinely prattle on and on about in everyone else but your whiney little bitchy self. :)

  158. [158] 
    Paula wrote:

    The 4 brave congresswomen blotus racistly attacked over the weekend had an excellent presser in which they displayed more courage and patriotism in a short time than the entire GOP in the last decade, but especially since 2016.

    And blotus, of course, remains loathsome.

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    M (155) I figured you were scared, most pedophile-loving punks are. Any more stories about that guy you were so manly with that time?

    Yer the one who said he wanted to take things to real life??

    Now yer backing off your threats??

    Just what I thought.. Nothing but a punk-assed little shit..

    A keyboard warrior who can't back up his threats with action...

    Another Mitch Horton Internet Commando...

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  160. [160] 
    Paula wrote:

    Kudos, Joe Biden: https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1150898115748212741

    Ed O'Keefe tweets:

    WATCH: In Des Moines, I asked @joebiden what he would say to Americans who agree with President Trump’s tweet about freshman Democratic lawmakers. “I’d say I’m ashamed of you,” Biden said. I asked: You’d say that to a voter? Biden: “I’d say that to anybody who’s that racist.”

  161. [161] 
    Kick wrote:

    Paula
    158

    Yes, ma'am.

    And blotus, of course, remains loathsome.

    Yep, and the fact is: No one is going anywhere.

    Oh, wait... actually, the pathetic trash that has surrounded Trump his entire life are now methodically being indicted and going to prison... except for that piece of trash and pedophile Roy Cohn who was Senator Joseph McCarthy's right hand man and Donald Trump's mentor who taught Donald everything he knows.

    Let's face facts, America: If Poor Donald had anything at all in the way of a policy idea to offer Americans and wasn't so pathetically bereft of anything remotely resembling a cogent political argument, Trump wouldn't have to spend the next several months reviving the red scares brought to America in the 1950s by the GOP, Senator McCarthy, and Trump's "fear and smear" and red-baiting mentor, Roy.

    While it's both sad and regressive to see this asinine red-baiting bullshit being dredged up off the trash heap of history, ask yourself what else Donald Trump's GOP has to offer the voters besides the airing of their whining grievances and additional exercises in birtherism and voicing of their hatred of their fellow Americans? At long last, the answer to the question is: The GOP really does have no decency... and here we are again.

  162. [162] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick,

    FACT: Cockholster isn't a homophobic slur; it is a quite common Trump supporter characteristic that is obviously not relegated to a single gender.

    Spot on....and might I add this is one of the best descriptive term anyone has ever come up with...esp. when it comes to Trump’s worship of Putin!

    (props to Russ for that one, it still never gets old)

    (Blushing) Thanks!

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yo Steedo??

    Did you run away???

    Whatta pussy.. :D

  164. [164] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    162

    Spot on....and might I add this is one of the best descriptive term anyone has ever come up with...esp. when it comes to Trump’s worship of Putin!

    Stephen Colbert's very nice handiwork, and isn't it just infinitely entertaining to watch those righties who prattle on and on incessantly about "too much political correctness" resorting to whining like stuck little piglets just because somebody nailed the perfect description of Trump's worship of Putin and their worship of Trump? And to those whiney little bitches, I simply say: boo-effing-hoo!

    It displays a massive amount of hypocrisy and a particular type of special stupidity to whine "homophobia" when any fool with two brain cells to rub together knows that women and men have almost the same basic anatomy and that being referred to as either "Putin's" or "Trump's cock holster" would not and certainly is not and never could be limited to a single gender! I mean, really!

    And, hey, Russ, the penultimate reality that I suppose never occurred to the pussy on this forum who keeps hysterically whining like a hypocritical little bitch about "homophobia" is the irrefutable, incontrovertible, and indubitable fact that a woman's anatomy generally contains more holstering opportunities than a male! And with that nugget, I rest my case. :)

  165. [165] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo

    If you have the stones for a real life meeting let me know.

    I let you know that I am up for a real life meeting..

    Why did you run away like the bitch ass pussy you are???

    So, I guess you are admitting that it's YOU who doesn't have any stones..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  166. [166] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Why did {Steedo} cross the road?? Because his dick was stuck up the chickens ass!!"
    -Bruce Willis, THE LAST BOY SCOUT

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Thanx for the comic relief, Steedo.. It's nice to laugh at dumbshit assholes now and again.. :D

  167. [167] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo

    It's nice to laugh at dumbshit assholes now and again.. ~ Michale

    That's the service that "Michael" provides for the rest of us damn near every day, but don't let the SOB fool you, Steedo; Mike quite obviously has the opportunity to laugh at a "dumbshit asshole" whenever he looks in a mirror. :D

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yo Steedo..

    I came back to this commentary to find out if you found your 'stones'...

    Apparently, you haven't.. They're still missing..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    Note to Steedo...

    If you go after the king... You better KILL the king.. :D

    Or, put another way....

    "Never cross brains with Spock. He will cut you to pieces every time.."
    -Ensign Sulu, STAR TREK

  170. [170] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo

    I came back to this commentary to find out if you found your 'stones'... ~ Michale

    You were here one day and now Mike is obsessed and begging for your stones; although I'm not sure why Mike keeps looking for you when it's quite obvious to everyone that you're right there with him living rent free in his tiny little brain. :D

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    Still haven't found your balls yet, Steedo??

    You make threats to go in real life then run away and hide like the pussy you are when I call you on it...

    Run away, pussy.. Run away.. :D

  172. [172] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo

    Mike is obsessed with your balls. :)

  173. [173] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo...

    What's the matter??? You threatened me with a real life meet and when I said, GO FOR IT ASSHOLE you ran away like a pussy... You obsess over my balls and it turns out YOU have none.

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Word of advice, punk.... If you are going to threaten someone with real life violence...

    It's a bad idea to do it to someone with over 2 and a half decades in military and law enforcement..

    No wonder you ran away scared after your threats..

  174. [174] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo

    Like I said Steedo, the fake cop is obsessed with your balls. He's so obsessed with your balls that now he's pretending like you are obsessed with his... as if you two have some sort of mutual ball obsession with each other when the obsession is all his.

    We here in Weigantia completely understand why you wouldn't want to go slumming in the fake cop's doublewide in the stench hole. :)

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