Let's try to hold two thoughts in our minds at the same time:

Collusion is not a legal term and it is not a crime. The Trump campaign colluded with the Russians quite a bit in an effort to win the presidential election.

While there was some evidence that the Trump campaign engaged in an illegal conspiracy with the Russians to win the US presidential election, that evidence was not sufficient to bring charges against the campaign or anyone in it. Mostly because witnesses in the conspiracy investigation lied to investigators and withheld information for which some were in fact charged.

Hope that clears it up for you!

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And how many times did ya'all claim President Trump was "guilty" of Collusion prior to the release of the Mueller exoneration??

Hundreds, if not thousands of times..

No Michale, you are twisting Mueller's words and replacing one word for another.

No, I am not..

I am simply condensing a long legaleze paragraph into easy to understand english..

BOTH say the exact same thing..

Deferring to President Putin over the consensus of your own intelligence community is also not a crime but I believe a president should be thrown out of office for that sort of behavior and I think he will be thrown out by the people next year.

When your own intelligence community has PROVEN that they are out to nullify a free, fair and legal election...???

"When your own government turns against you, sometimes the only logical recourse is to find aid with your enemy."
-Ael i-Mhiessan t'Rllaillieu, MY ENEMY MY ALLY

That is much better than impeachment at this point.

Yea.. But you and I both know that ya'all won't get either..

At this point in time, there is simply no way that President Trump won't be re-elected..

So, as I said..

In your mind, it's OK for Occasional Cortex to block her Twitter followers, but it's NOT OK for President Trump to block HIS Twitter followers..

Your hypocrisy is blatant and disgusting..

Trump uses Twitter as his main way to address the public, citizens have the right to follow him in order to stay informed.

Just as AOC does...

Your hypocrisy is blatant and disgusting..

And, of course Obama blocked his Twitter users too and you said nothing..

Your hypocrisy is blatant and disgusting..

Collusion is not a crime. How many times do I have to tell you this.

Deferring to President Putin over the consensus of your own intelligence community is also not a crime but I believe a president should be thrown out of office for that sort of behavior and I think he will be thrown out by the people next year.

That is much better than impeachment at this point.

"There was not sufficient evidence to prove President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 Election.."
-My Concise and Accurate Assessment of Mueller's own words..

Now, if anyone can point to any difference in what Mueller said and what I said Mueller said..

"Well, I am all ears"
-Ross Perot RIP

I know.. It depends on how someone defines "collusion"...

In this case, all the Trump/America haters define "collusion" as anything President Trump does that they don't like..

What's so hilarious is that President Trump did a LOT LESS than Hillary did with foreign sources...

Yet, Trump "colluded" but Hillary didn't..

That's what proves beyond ANY doubt that their position is solely, completely and utterly a partisan agenda based position...

If you were to criminalize 'getting political dirt on your opponent from other people', every Gawdam politician in DC would ahve to be locked up.

Word.....

I don't think it's nearly so much of a case that "There was not sufficient evidence to prove that pres Trump colluded with the Russians". After all, he did it on public TV for Gawdsake, and also in Trump tower, with a lot of people looking! How much more evidence than that could Mueller possibly need???

I'm betting what's really going on there is that "collusion" (aka TAlKING TO PEOPLE") is not even a crime!

If you were to criminalize 'getting political dirt on your opponent from other people', every Gawdam politician in DC would ahve to be locked up.

Second, while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges. Among other things, the evidence was not sufficient to charge any Campaign official as an unregistered agent of the Russian government or other Russian principal. And our evidence about the June 9, 2016 meeting and WikiLeaks's releases of hacked materials was not sufficient to charge a criminal campaign-finance violation. Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.
-Mueller Report

If Mueller says it and you believe it, then the matter of whether or not President Trump colluded with the Russians is settled...

He did not..

Now, those same people that STILL say President Trump colluded with the Russians are the SAME people who are now saying that the theories regarding Seth Rich's murder was orchestrated by Russians...

And yet, as with President Trump and Russia Collusion, these morons offer ZERO in the way of facts to support their claims..

So, I have to ask again..

Why do you find that yahoo report credible??

The same reasons you found all the reports against Justice Kavanaugh credible.

You WANT to believe...

I have quoted the Mueller report enough that you know that, even though it's not the exact words, it's what Mueller said.

Are you really going to make me dig it up when you know it says that Mueller stated there was not sufficient evidence to prove President Trump colluded..

This dancing on the head of a pin ill suits you..

Yes, I am going to be watching...

Mueller has stated he is going to read from the report when Democrats ask their questions..

But there is a bunch of stuff NOT in the report that Republicans want to know.. And Mueller will be under oath so he will have to answer the GOP questions about the malfeasance and incompetence of the Obama lackeys and the Trump/America haters..

It's going to be a grand show that will only help President Trump and hurt the Democrats..

Grade A entertainment...

Citation?

You can't because the special counsel never said that. I hope you watch the Mueller hearing next week.

Iran announced Monday it had passed a 4.5 percent level of uranium enrichment, above the 3.67% level allowed under the 2015 deal. It has warned it could enrich uranium to higher levels if it does not receive relief from Europe as it its economy is battered by American sanctions that were reimposed after US President Donald Trump pulled out of the accord last year.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-9-2019/

Iran should remember what happened at Osirak....

So, that settles the question, right??

Fine..

Then when Robert Mueller says that wasn't enough evidence to prove Collusion, then you should believe him, right??

No.. Higher ups made the determination..

There was ZERO evidence to support the claim of robbery..

NONE.. ZERO... ZILCH... NADA...

And now the same people who wanted to convince the world that Trump colluded with the Russians, which turned out to be utter bullshit, are NOW the people who want to convince the world that Seth Rich's murder was a robbery gone bad.

I ask again.. And these morons have credibility exactly what???

Because it is what Trump haters WANT to believe..

Even though there are NO FACTS to support the claim.. It's what Trump haters want to believe and THAT is all that matters...

That's the beginning and end of the story...

There is no one on this issue who has more credibility than former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

Hokay... :D

Where is the evidence it was a robbery???

There is none..

Actually, I'm buying into the Mueller report.

So, you concede that President Trump did not collude with the Russians to win the US election..

Good on you..

And these people have ANY credibility exactly why???

Because it's what you WANT to believe...

Actually, I'm buying into the Mueller report. You should read Vol. 1. :)

Except that the victim of a robbery gone bad is dead.

Come on, man!

I believe the incident was investigated by LEOs, no?

Of course you would say that..

Those that are politically biased always project their biases onto other people.. :D

But, of every American here, who is the ONLY registered NPA/Independent?? :D

Yours truly.. :D

You can't possibly be serious.

As opposed to buying into a YAHOO News Report that has absolutely NO FACTS to support it, just because it meshes with a certain partisan agenda???

I mean, all the news reports about President Trump colluding with the Russians turned out to be utter bullshit..

But THIS report is factually accurate??? :D

Where is the critical thinking from your side of the issue?? :D

I'm sorry to break it to you, Michale, but there is no one here more biased by political agendas than yourself.

How So?

Not factually accurate..

The authorities say that it was a robbery gone bad which is why he was killed and not robbed. A former LEO would understand this, I should think.

The coincidences are just to high.. That's what a REAL LEO does.. Look at the facts unbiased by political agendas..

If it were a robbery, there is NO REASON Rich should have been killed.. He was wearing an expensive watch and ring.. Untouched. His pockets were not rifled thru and he had an impressive array of credit cards and cash that was untouched...

There was no witnesses and anyone who accosted him had PLENTY of time to rob him....

These facts all add up to something besides a robbery..

Anyone who has even an inkling of REAL LEO duties would be suspicious..

I am not saying that he was involved in the DNC thefts and he was killed for it..

But there is too much REAL and tangible evidence to write off his death as a simple robbery.. It had NONE of the earmarks of a robbery..

NONE...

I think you better brush up on the kind of critical thinking skills combined with common sense that would allow for discerning between reality and fantasy.

And, to use one of your favourite phrases, there is NO EVIDENCE that Rich had anything to do with emails related to the Clinton campaign.

The authorities say that it was a robbery gone bad which is why he was killed and not robbed. A former LEO would understand this, I should think.

Basically you are saying that NO ONE can ban ANYONE from their own twitter feed...

Pathetically moronic.. :eyeroll:

You really are a sad simple creature, aren't you??

Using YOUR reasoning, NO ONE here should be allowed to use Chazz's filter..

Only CW should be allowed to decide who is filtered and who is not??

You really don't see how utterly moronic you are being, do you??? :eyeroll:

Do you find it strange that authorities says it was a robbery, yet none of Rich's valuables were taken..

That he was intimately involved in the VERY documents that went missing and was killed in a mugging soon after??

Those are questions that have no answers..

And we're supposed to believe it's all one big coincidence??

Then Twitter can't ban President Trump from their platform for the EXACT SAME REASON...

Except they aren’t the EXACT SAME REASONS!!!

Trump cannot block critics or people who he dislikes from his Twitter feed. And just like with Trump, Twitter has the ability and right to ban anyone who exhibits abusive, rule-breaking behavior on the platform. Twitter decides who is banned, not Trump!

Yea??

So says YAHOO NEWS...

Without a SINGLE SOLITARY FACT to back it up.. :eyeroll:

woke
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alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
"we need to stay angry, and stay woke"

Another moronic "thing" courtesy of the Left Wingery..

As to why Obama disciples don't like Biden??

Because they think Biden is not "woke" enough.. They think that Biden tarnishes Obama's legacy...

Why?

I like it!

Yea.. But "woke" Obama disciples hate it..

I like it!

He wasn't!! :D

I loved his charts!

Ross Perot died...

A shame.. He brought the funniest line to Presidential Politics..

In the 1992 debates he was saying that if anyone can come up with a better tax plan than his...???

"Well, I am all ears.."

Brought the house done... :D

RIP Mr Perot....

See if ya'all can reconcile these two diametrically opposed beliefs..

Federal court: Trump can't ban critics from Twitter account

NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump can’t ban critics from his Twitter account, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday, saying the First Amendment calls for more speech, rather than less, on matters of public concern...

And....

Not even Trump is safe from being banned for tweets that go too far, Twitter says

Twitter says it's possible that President Trump could be banned if he exhibits abusive, rule-breaking behavior on the platform.

This is why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take Trump/America haters seriously..

They are so blinded by hate, they take positions that are inherently contradictory...

Yea, I know, I know.. One is a court ruling and the other is a company ruling..

Irrelevant...

If the courts hold that President Trump must allow ALL COMERS to his account in the interests of public concern...

Then Twitter can't ban President Trump from their platform for the EXACT SAME REASON...

UNBELIEVABLE!

I agree, Liz.. Totally off the wall..

Like it or not, Biden and Obama are inexorably linked til the end of time..

I think Obama himself is trying to distance from Biden..

Rumor has it that Obama is backing Harris over Biden..

But, you know, Biden's support is wide but not very deep. I heard someone on teevee say that.

Oh, yes, and someone else made the impressive statement the other day at the end of his interview on CNN that Biden had better stop saying Barack because it's disrespectful to President Obama.

I don't blame ya.. :D

https://news.sky.com/story/festival-scraps-cheaper-people-of-colour-tickets-after-white-supremacist-threats-11758953

The blatant racism from the Left...

I gave you a bunch of other topics to discuss... :D

DO you think it's a good idea that Big Pharma has to disclose drug prices in their advertisements??

What about Oman's lies???

What's your opinion on Kapernick's dissing of the American flag??

Starbucks asking cops to leave the store???

We have a whole plethora of possibilities.. :D

"Mr President.... uh... That is not entirely accurate.."
"Really?? Which part??"
-INDEPENDENCE DAY

Seems CW is the only one who has it.. :D

The decision from U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta in Washington, D.C. ruled that the Health and Human Services Department does not have the regulatory power to make drug manufactures include the cost of drugs in television commercials.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/09/739770699/judge-blocks-trump-rule-requiring-pharma-companies-to-say-price-of-drugs-in-tv-a

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about when it comes to the knee-jerk HATE that rolls off Democrats like waves..

President Trump issues an order that Big Pharma must include drug prices in their advertisements..

Good for the American people, transparency and all that...

And an Obama Judge blocks it just because it comes from President Trump.. :eyeroll:

So, basically Democrats jump into bed with Big Pharma...

:eyeroll:

Ilhan Omar admits she may have flubbed facts in dramatic story she told high school students
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-admits-flubbed-facts-america-racism-injustice-story

When President Trump does it, Omar and everyone here calls it "LYING"...

Like I said.. If the Left didn't have DOUBLE standards, they would have no standards at all... :eyeroll:

The Pied Piper of wokeness, Colin Kaepernick?, kicked off the week by successfully pressuring Nike to recall a shoe adorned with the original 13-star American flag attributed to America’s founding mother, Betsy Ross.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/07/2020-dems-must-change-course-now-before-they-fall-off-left-wing-cliff/

It's funny... So many people claim to love America yet find so many ways to hate America....

#sad

Good article...

While it's true that these Starbuck instances are as rare as actual bad cops (very VERY rare) I can't help but feel that they are indicative of the Demcorat Party as a whole...

This feeling is re-enforced when there is absolutely NO CONDEMNATION from the Left..

Compare this lack of condemnation from the Left with the over-the-top condemnation from the Left during the Starbuck incident with the 2 black males who were loitering...

It's THAT hypocrisy that is the point..

The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time

The scandal that I call “The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time” is the alteration of official world temperature data by a small number of government employees in the US and the UK. Uniformly, the alterations have the effect of lowering temperatures early in the record, and raising recent temperatures, in order to create and enhance a warming trend that does not exist in the data as originally reported. The purpose of the fraudulent data alteration is to support the continuation of the “global warming” climate scare. To read the prior 22 posts in this series, go to this link.
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2019-7-3-the-greatest-scientific-fraud-of-all-time-part-xxiii

So, to the hystericals, I say.. Calm down.. It's NOT the end of the world..

Funny story about that..

As many of you know, I am retired military and law enforcement.. A while back I used to while away my time repairing and selling laptops at a local flea market..

There was this group there, one of those END OF THE WORLD cults who was predicting the End Of The World in about 2 months time...

One of the guys from that booth came in and bought a laptop from me.. Normally, I give a one year warranty on all the laptops I sell.. As I was doing his paperwork, I slyly said, "OK, you got a 2 month warranty on this laptop"

The guy was indignant and said he wanted the full 12 month warranty.. :D

That simply re-affirmed my belief about these END OF THE WORLD cretins..

They are utterly whacked and don't really believe their own bullshit.. :D

True story... :D

The distinct burden of being a climate scientist
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/07/weight-of-the-world-climate-change-scientist-grief/

Apparently, some people are in serious need of a life.. :D

No, to be fair, these are well documented psychological conditions..

Catastrophizing... Hero Syndrome.. Doomsday phobia..

Dissociative states where there is always an imminent catastrophe or disaster and they alone are the ones to stop it or tell the world about it..

Everything is END OF THE WORLD serious....

One would think that, what with all the catastrophes that were predicted and never came to pass, these bent people would get a clue..

But, it's psychological, so they should be pitied...

What IS it about allegedly "tolerant" and "respectful" Democrats that they are so intolerant and disrespectful???

"Anyone?? Anyone?? Beuhler???"

What is it with these people and their obsession with the scatological? There is something seriously wrong with them. Let’s hope they get help before one of them wins the Democratic nomination.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/7/democrats-chances-and-their-issues-in-the-toilet/

Funny how Democrats talk about the rule of law.. And then want to decriminalize all immigration crimes and open the US Borders to all sorts of rapists and murderers and gang bangers and drug dealers..

:eyeroll:

On the one hand, we have President Trump musing about how the colonists attacked airports in the Revolutionary War...

And then on the other hand, we have Joe Biden claiming that Russian Interference in our Elections never would have happened under Obama/Biden's watch..

Which fantasy statement has more relevance to the here and now??

Heh.. Kapernick.. :D

Did I spell that right???

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2019/07/07/chip_bok_chip_bok_for_jul_07_2019_5_.jpg

Failed 'Avenger': Swalwell Is First to Drop Out of 2020 Race

“Today ends our presidential campaign, but it is the beginning of an opportunity in Congress,” Swalwell said at a press conference in his home state. A candidate for just 90 days, he told reporters that his team had “to be honest about our campaign’s viability.”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/08/failed_avenger_swalwell_is_first_to_drop_out_of_2020_race__140730.html

Eric Who???

President Trump rides in to California's rescue... :D

Will Democrats in California give him any credit for it??

Yea, maybe when hell freezes over... :^/

Also said at the time..

My personal privacy is not worth the loss of a single innocent life..

Ever watch a movie called THE FINAL OPTION??

It's an eye opener to invasive personal rights. At the time, the Brits know how to give deference to national defense.. :D

So... you approve or disapprove?

Whole heartedly and utterly and completely approve..

Increasing domestic surveillance and drone strikes were a couple of the very few things that Obama did right..

And I said so at the time...

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi late Monday called on Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta to step down for what she called an “unconscionable agreement” with Jeffrey Epstein, who was charged earlier with sex trafficking in New York City federal court.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-calls-for-acosta-to-step-down-over-epstein-plea-deal-hits-trump

Deal??? :eyeroll:

Officials should have seen it coming.

As of last week, only around 700 weapons had been turned over.
https://reason.com/2019/07/08/noncompliance-kneecaps-new-zealands-gun-control-scheme/

You see the problem with gun confiscation??

Even in countries that HAVE no 2nd Amendment, it doesn't work...

People yearn to be free. And to have the means to defend that freedom...

So... you approve or disapprove?

Ha!!!! Obama brought domestic surveillance to new heights...

Funny how no one on the Left wants to talk about that... :D

In all fairness, CW did award Obama the LIE OF THE YEAR award for Obama's attempt to obfuscate and cover up his deeds..

But, history proves beyond ANY doubt..

The presence of domestic surveillance was expanded beyond all belief under Obama..

Torture

Let me staple the vicar... :D

I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with torturing terrorists to glean intel that saves American lives..

And, frankly, the thought process that someone uses to come to the opposite conclusion totally escapes me..

Sometimes... Oft times.. the ends DO justify the means..

I am reminded of a thought experiment that was conducted in OCS... You are an officer in charge of an artillery platoon.. You receive orders to strike a local elementary school while school is in session.. In the basement there is a missile control facility that is controlling a launched nuclear missile that is heading for New York City.. Tens of millions of Americans will be killed if you don't act... Destroying the control room will destroy the missile in flight..

Your ONLY two choices are to destroy the school and the control room and kill all the children or DON'T destroy the school and the control room and allow tens of millions of Americans die..

So, what do you do??

Those who are of..er.. shall we say lesser intelligence, will try and mealy-mouth their way out of making a decision and make excuses and try to point out that the scenario is ridiculous..

Those people are not officer/leadership material..

Of course the scenario is ridiculous.. It's a thought exercise...

The more enlightened members of this group will recognize this as the Kobyashi Maru scenario...

But it stabs to the heart of the question..

Do the ends justify the means?

As long as the means are directly proportional to the ends, I believe that the ends DO justify the means..

So, in order to save tens of millions of American lives, I would order the destruction of the school and the control room.. In a stone cold minute..

So, I really can't get all emotional about torturing terrorists.. The ends justifies the means.

And please.. Don't give me that hysterical bullshit about if we torture terrorists than captured Americans will be tortured too..

Does anyone here HONESTLY believe that terrorists honor the Geneva Conventions?? That Americans captured by terrorist groups WON'T torture Americans???

"Oh wow.. Americans are so honorable that they won't torture our terrorist comrades, even to save lives!! We must adhere to the same code of conduct and not torture our prisoners!!"

Does anyone here HONESTLY believe that THAT is what would happen??

Their TERRORISTS, people.. If they had any shred of decency and honor, they WOULDN'T BE TERRORISTS!!!

Claiming to be against torture because terrorists would torture their prisoners in response is THE most naive and ludicrous and UTTERLY DELUSIONAL position a person who still has a pulse and a brain cell could take..

Thanx for the blast from the past, CW.. :D Always enjoy these trips down memory lane..