As it would have been for Obama.. :D

Yeah, I definitely DO realize that that "Vast and systematic attack on (our) presidential election process" revealed to all Americans that Hillary had stacked the Dem primaries against Bernie Sanders, right?

Words can scarcely convey the magnitude of my dismay upon discovering that Democratics cheat each other, as well as Republicans!! Totally shocking!!

“The Obama administration received multiple warnings from national security officials between 2014 and 2016 that the Kremlin was ramping up its intelligence operations and building disinformation networks it could use to disrupt the U.S. political system,” Politico reported in 2017.

The first real retaliation against Moscow, however, did not come until right after Donald Trump won the presidency, at which point the White House announced mild sanctions against several Russians.

Obama had a general idea of what the Russians in 2014...

But did not take a SINGLE step to address it until AFTER Hillary lost the election..

When asked why it took so long to respond, Obama replied that he didn't want to give the impression that he was meddling in the election. Obama figured (as everyone else did) that Hillary would win and Obama was concerned that his taking action against the Russians during the election would give Trump ammunition to not accept the results of the election..

Obama didn't want to tarnish Hillary's win..

THAT is why Obama didn't take action sooner...

Pure partisan politics...

"The 80s are calling. They want their foreign policy back.."
-Barack Obama

It was Obama and the Democrats who coddled and colluded with Russia...

Right up until the point that Russia became a convenient scapegoat to cover Hillary's brutal and humiliating loss...

When Obama told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he would have “more flexibility” with Moscow after the 2012 election, few expected the U.S. president would be this flexible with one of America’s greatest geopolitical foes.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/03/31/why_didnt_obama_do_more_to_counter_russian_interference_470593.html

This is where Chris needs to step in.

WHich part do you deny???

Don't make me laugh.

Helsinki.

So, that ONE instance defines EVERYTHING Trump has done vis a vis Russia??

FALSE

President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years

It was also President Trump who shuttered the Russian consulate in Seattle.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

You have a blindspot with regards to President Trump and his actions. It prevents you from even SEEING the facts, let alone acknowledging them...

Don't make me laugh.

Helsinki.

This is where Chris needs to step in.

SOLELY for partisan reasons...

And we know this to be true because Obama himself SAID so..

That was going to be my next point..

Hell, Obama and his miniions even campaigned against Netanyahu in the Israeli election...

Of course, Obama failed..

Obama knew MONTHS before the election that Russia was meddling in our elections..

But he did NOTHING...

SOLELY for partisan reasons...

I presume you realize that nobody in the entire world matches the U.S. when it comes to interfering in foreign elections, right?

That's an opinion unsupported by facts..

The fact is, Russian/Soviet meddling in US elections is the norm, not the exception...

Why is it such a problem now??

Because Hillary lost...

That press conference in Helsinki surprised even Putin and so pleasantly so.

This requires mind-reading and, as such, it's not worthy of a person of your obvious intellect....

On the other hand, mind-reading was NOT required to divine what Obama said when he asked the Russians to give him space to win the election and that, in return, Obama could be "flexible" for Putin....

This is the first time Russia found such a useful fool as Donald Trump. That press conference in Helsinki surprised even Putin and so pleasantly so.

You DO realize that Russia does that on EVERY Presidential Election, going back to when they were the USSR and beyond...

It's only a problem now because Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton..

It WAS "her turn" after all.. :^/

I mean, if it matters to you about the WHO, what's your defense of Hillary getting dirt on Trump from Ukrainians??

Cite??

Ukrainian Embassy confirms DNC contractor solicited Trump dirt in 2016
thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016

John Solomon: As Russia Collusion Fades, Ukrainian Plot To Help Clinton Emerges
realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/21/john_solomon_as_russia_collusion_fades_ukrainian_plot_to_help_clinton_emerges.html

Cite??

The two of you do realize that Russia engaged in a vast and systematic attack on your presidential election process, right?

Or, are the both of you still in denial on that score?

I disagree..

I think anyone here, sans you and I and maybe DH, would want to go with the Vigo method...

"He didn't die of old age, either. He was poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disembowled, drawn and quartered."
-Ray Stantz, GHOSTBUSTERS 2

That is what is so shocking about all this.. The blatant and unremitting HATRED emenating from Weigantians..

All because Donald Trump had the TEMERITY, the unmitigated GALL to beat Hillary in a free, fair and legal election..

It's even DOUBLY shocking because up until recently, Donald Trump was a DEMOCRAT and Democrats far and wide LOVED him...

But Party slavery overrides all...

You appear to be stuck in the 'cold war' mentality of the '50's. Your definition of 'hostile' appears to be totally arbitrary. Sounds like a case of archaic "Comiphobia" to me.

Re: "Strung up AND shot"

That seems a mite redundant - even our fellow Democratics aren't usually quite that rabid. In all fairness, Liz and Kick and Paula would probably settle for EITHER "strung-up", OR "shot"!

Not in the eyes of the law..

Regardless, Neil is not talking about that..

He is talking about opposition research obtained thru illegal means...

It doesn't matter WHO obtained the documents. According to Neil it only matters HOW the documents were obtained..

I mean, if it matters to you about the WHO, what's your defense of Hillary getting dirt on Trump from Ukrainians??

Don't tell me.. Let me guess... It didn't happen. :D

If a theft occurs of documents that HELP the Dumbocrat agenda, as in the Pentagon Papers, it's perfectly acceptable..

If a theft occurs of documents that HURT the Dumbocrat agenda, as in the DNC "hack", it's a heinous crime and ANYONE who benefits from it should be strung up and shot..

It's ALL about Party or ideological loyalty...

Nothing else matters..

Receiving stolen goods?

Pentagon Papers...

'nuff said...

You see, CRS, you are the only one who keeps repeating that narrowly defined assertion which of course is commonplace in politics.

It just doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand here.

Re: How many are llegal?
a) Obviously building break-ins are always illegal.
b) Hacking email servers, obviously illegal, but
unenforceable when done by foreigners.
c) Kidnapping somebody's kid, etc. I have to presume
illegal, but off topic, too far-
fetched to justify comment.
d) Receiving stolen goods, clearly illegal, but subject
to the very imprecise definition of "goods". Would
somebody's reputation quaklify as "goods"?

I seemingly missed the point of your post. I never said, nor even implied, than those things "never could be illegal", only getting politicla "dirt" on your political opponent. Declaring that to be illegal would be tantamount to declaring campaigning to be illegal. (But hey, maybe it should be!, I wouldn't miss it!))

Why aren’t we doing this when there is a chance that our president has committed a felony? We have the office of the Vice President for a reason — to step in and act as the President when the President is unable to perform the duties bestowed upon them. This prevents corrupt individuals from staying in power once their corruption is exposed.

A criminal trial is based on the rule of law. Impeachment is a political action. Congress is not given directions and instructed on the criteria they need to satisfy for how they should vote. The Senate votes on whether the president should be removed from office. It’s much harder to dismiss a person’s actions as “not so bad” if those actions have resulted in a jury finding them guilty of a felony!

Congress cannot agree on how to define what a “high crime” is to determine whether to even begin the impeachment process. Allowing the judicial branch to do its job would make it easier for politicians to make that determination...by doing it for them!

This has all become so unbelievable, for lack of any word that really fits what is happening.

Hehehehehehehe ...

Oh, come on, Michale. You know there is another reason for that. More than one, in fact.

Again!?? :D

Ahem … yes.

BECAUSE EVERYONE LIED!!!

I mean, because everyone lied about it.

I think I'd rather let you read it in the report, now that you're reading the report ...

Michale! You're finally reading the report!!!

That is great news!

Now, don't skip any pages or you'll get a warped opinion of it and then put that warped opinion on display here for all to see.

But, again, I think its great that you're actually reading the report!

You've repeated this many times CRS, and in general it is true that campaigns seek political dirt on their opponents. However there are legal and illegal means to conduct those investigations.

How many of the following are legal:

a/ Breaking into the Watergate building?
b/ Hacking an email server?
c/ Kidnapping somebody's kid and not freeing them until a parent reveals political dirt?
d/ Receiving stolen goods?

Are you sure all of these "never was, never will be, nor ever could be" illegal?

Police questioned Joe Schmoo who said he was at the race track betting on horses.. He lied. He was really with some married girl boffin' her brains out..

Answer. You can't...

Wow! You really do not know ANYTHING about law enforcement!
Guess what...embezzlement is also a crime, especially when the culprit files a false crime report in an attempt to cover up the actual crime.

Imagine if detectives spent weeks going over security camera footage from the track trying to verify Joe’s story, but cannot find him in a single frame. Their subpoena for his phone records allow them to determine his phone was actually pinging off the cell tower near the alleged robbery site at the time John said the robbery had occurred. Joe didn’t realize the girl he was banging lived in an apartment above the store. Karma is a biatch! By the time Joe decides to tell the truth to avoid going to prison for a robbery he didn’t commit, John has fled the country with millions of dollars that he embezzled from innocent orphans. Still think Joe did nothing punishable under the law?

At the minimum, he can be charged for making false statements to an officer. It’s more likely that he will face obstruction of justice charges for this.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that Mueller is secretly on President Trump's pay roll..

I love it when you slip up and make comments acknowledging Trump’s corruption... it shows that you aren’t blind or stupid — just dishonest.

The Office investigated several other events that have been publicly repot1ed to involve
potential Russia-related contacts. For example, the investigation established that interactions
between Russian Ambassador Kislyak and Trump Campaign officials both at the candidate's April
2016 foreign policy speech in Washington, D.C., and during the week of the Republican National
Convention were brief, public, and non-substantive.

"BRIEF"... "PUBLIC"... "NON-SUBSTANTIVE"

That describes the majority of "facts" ya'all have of Russia Collusion..

And the investigation did not establish that
one Campaign official's efforts to dilute a portion of the Republican Party platform on providing
assistance to Ukraine were undertaken at the behest of candidate Trump or Russia. The
investigation also did not establish that a meeting between Kislyak and Sessions in September
2016 at Sessions's Senate office included any more than a passing mention of the presidential
campaign.

Seems like ya'all omit the parts that doesn't support ya'all's agenda.. :D

PAGE 5

The social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of
contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.
The Office investigated whether those contacts reflected or resulted in the Campaign conspiring
or coordinating with Russia in its election-interference activities. Although the investigation
established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and
worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from
information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that
members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its
election interference activities.

That is clear and unambiguous..

NO COLLUSION

I'll post the verbatim txt of the report more tomorrow.. It's poker night. :D

But, as I said, the **ONE** that proves Mueller said "NO COLLUSION" is that Dumbocrats aren't falling all over themselves to impeach President Trump..

Until such time as that happens, Dumbocrats enthusiastically pursuing impeachment with the vast majority of Americans behind them???

NO COLLUSION...

The only one that comes to mind is General Flynn.. And THAT was the result of Mueller lackey's threatening Flynn's son...

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the others..

The Mueller report says what I wrote above. Which is to say that the unavailable information due to lying and concealment may have obscured the crime of conspiracy.

And yet, Mueller STILL ended the probe and said there was not sufficient evidence...

Why did Mueller end the probe if he felt there was still truth out there???

Because he KNEW that there was no Russia Collusion..

But let's say you are right and Mueller DOES say there was Russia Collusion..

Why won't Pelosi start impeachment if it's so blatantly obvious that there was Russia Collusion on the part of President Trump et al???

I am officially through with you on this subject.

Again!?? :D

Do you know how we KNOW that there was no Russia Collusion??

Because Pelosi is STILL backing away from impeachment.. :D

Michale, you are much better than even the president when it comes to purposefully deflecting from the facts by mixing up the words to obscure what is real and highlight what is not real.

The Special Counsel's Office indicted members of the Trump Campaign and administration for lying to investigators about their contacts with Russians which amounted to obstructing the investigation.

The Mueller report says what I wrote above. Which is to say that the unavailable information due to lying and concealment may have obscured the crime of conspiracy.

I am officially through with you on this subject.

And I deserve better than to have the facts called nonsense..

How can you prosecute someone for lying about a "crime" that never happened??

Let me give you an example...

There is a robbery at a coffee shop.. John Doe claims that Joe Schmoo came in and robbed the place...

Police questioned Joe Schmoo who said he was at the race track betting on horses.. He lied. He was really with some married girl boffin' her brains out..

As it turns out, John Doe ALSO lied.. There was no robbery.. Doe had embezzled the money...

Now, how are you going to prosecute Joe Schmoo for lying about a crime that never actually happened..

Answer. You can't...

If there was no collusion, then you can't prosecute someone for lying about collusion...

It's really simple..

Occam's Razor strikes again... :D

Ya'all can't accept that Trump won the election fair and square...

So you make up this fantasy that Russia got Trump elected without a SINGLE SOLITARY fact that proves it..

Everyone who has commented, from the lowliest Democrat official, thru Hillary Clinton, thru Robert Mueller and all the way up to Odumbo hisself..

**ALL** of them have stated over and over again that any Russians machinations did NOT affect the outcome of the election..

In other words, even if there was absolutely NO Russian actions, Trump would STILL be POTUS..

The entirety of the Left is taking the notion of sore luser'ism to new depths of depravity...

It's simply not mentally healthy...

Not possible...

Because to prosecute someone for lying about Russia collusion, Mueller would have to prove that Russia Collusion EXISTED..

But Mueller himself said there was not sufficient evidence to prove collusion.

Ergo, no one could lie about something that does not exist..

It would be like someone lying about god..

Since god doesn't exist, how can anyone lie about him/her in the legal prosecutable sense..???

You can't be charged with lying about a crime if the crime didn't happen..

Ah, he did.

And yet, there is a mathematical constant that says the simplest answer is most likely the correct answer..

Occam's Razor

Then why didn't Mueller prosecute or indict any of those people for lying about Russia collusion???

Because, what most likely happened is that someone forgot to dot an 'i' or cross a 't' and the Mueller Dem Get Trump team assigned nefarious motives to such...

The long and short of it is two fold..

1. No American knowingly colluded with, conspired with or coordinated with Russians to affect the US 2016 Presidential Election..

2. The results and outcome of the US 2016 Presidential Election was NOT affected in ANY way by Russian activities...

If those two facts can't be accepted then that's a shame...

It's really out of place at this blog.

No, that's not all what I think.

I think the individuals associated with the Trump Campaign would still lie, and otherwise conceal relevant information no matter how long or how well funded the investigation was.

I find that dubious at best...

Basically, yer taking the Stalin-ist approach...

"Show me the man and, given enough time, I can show you the crime.."
-Josef Stalin

Mueller had 2 years and 35 million dollars.. If he couldn't find any evidence with that kind of time and that kind of funding, plus a team of Democrats that were ***VERY*** motivated to find something.... ANYTHING..

If he had all that and said there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove collusion, then it's a safe bet that there was no such evidence..

In this case, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence..

We can play "what if" all day long..

But Mueller issued his report and it's the final word..

NO COLLUSION...

Ya'all are simply going to have to accept that..

Accordingly, given these gaps in evidence, the Special Counsel's Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.

And that reality is Trump is innocent of collusion, conspiracy and/or coordinating with the Russians to win the election...

I've been reading the Mueller report in bits when I have a little time.

Today, I was reading about how difficult it was for the Mueller investigation to uncover evidence because it was concealed by witnesses and subjects in the part of the investigation of Russian interference in the presidential election, including links between the Trump campaign and individuals connected to the Russian government.

The following paragraphs are from Vol.I, page 9-10:

The investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump campaign lied to the Special Counsel's office and to Congress about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters.

According, given these gaps in evidence, the Special Counsel's Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.

If there was even a HINT of guilt over collusion/conspiracy/coordination why did Mueller state so emphatically that there was not enough evidence to support the claim??

Mueller was wishy-washy about obstruction..

Why was he so clear about collusion???

It would be simple...

Simply quote the part of the Mueller report that says ANY American is guilty of colluding with the Russians to win the election...

Any part at all...

Have you forgotten to respond on the last thread?

Nope.. Just took me some time to locate the information involved.. I had a customer bring in a SONY XBR-65X900C and it took a goodly portion of my time..

But you are correct.. Mueller was talking about his own work and not AG Barr's work..

My apologies for the error..

Well, it WOULD be easy to get rid of me.. :D

Either A) prove me wrong with FACTS, which is all but impossible or B) say something so horrendous and heinous I wouldn't want to hang around.. :D

You can't possibly be serious, Michale. I don't think you would recognize a fact on this subject if we made one stand up and slap you upside the head.

Have you forgotten to respond on the last thread?

Says the moron who posts once a month if at all.. :D

I understand.. You have nothing to add to the conversation... You are following the age old adage of remaining silent and be thought a fool, rather than comment and have your idiocy confirmed.. :D

And yet.. Here I am and many others are not.. They can't handle the shame of them being wrong about everything.

Must you yell so?

Yes, he must.. He figures the louder he yells it will drown out the facts and reality...

And that reality is Trump is innocent of collusion, conspiracy and/or coordinating with the Russians to win the election...

Hell, if there were any facts that prove Trump guilty, I would SUPPORT impeachment...

And if there were facts to prove Trump guilty of Collusion, then Democrats would be impeaching Trump right now...

But there aren't any facts so Democrats are afraid to impeach...

I don't think staying away is the answer.

THERE WAS COLLUSION, PERIOD.

Like I said... Delusion... Not a firm grip on reality...

But hay.. I'll be your huckleberry..

Do you have ANY facts that prove your delusion???

Any facts at all??? :D

No, of course you don't...

You never do.. :D

WHich false assertion is that??

That there was not sufficient evidence to find Trump et al was guilty of collusion???

It's in Mueller's own words...

“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report

"There was NO COLLUSION... PERIOD"

AGAIN, NOT TRUE AND NOT WHAT WAS SAID. YOU EVEN QUOTED SO DIRECTLY ABOVE.

The KEY WORDS ARE "CONSPIRED OR COORDINATED"

THERE WAS COLLUSION, IT SIMPLY WAS A GROUP PLAN.

THERE WAS COLLUSION, PERIOD.

Hilarious! Well said. Hopefully my scrolling finger will get another break when he goes away again.

I hate to break it to ya but, you were fired a long time ago.

As long as you continue to post false claims and assertions you reveal your true colours and it ain't pretty.

By the way, I'm still waiting for your response on the last thread.

As long as ya'all can't acknowledge that President Trump et al is completely innocent of Russia collusion...

Ya'all will lose each and every argument or debate..

Because by failing to acknowledge the basic facts you are proving that you do not have a grip on reality...

By all means.. Continue to hold on to the delusion.. Makes my job here so much easier.. :D

If you're not at the Biden table, then, sorry to say, you are at the "kiddie" table.

Heh

Now THAT's funny... :D

"Robert DeNiro, frak you and the horse you rode in on.."
-Robert Mueller

:D

Yea??

Try telling that to the Democrat base..

"We're not going to impeach.. We're just going to censure..."

:eyeroll:

If you think censure is an alternative, you haven't been paying attention since Nov of 2016..

I doubt you'll find ANYONE here who supports censure over impeachment..

AGAIN, NOT TRUE. SEE ABOVE.

I know you believe that..

But the facts are the facts...

“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report

There was NO COLLUSION... PERIOD

Mueller had the authority to go wherever the investigation took him. But Mueller himself, despite Republican hysteria that he would do so, limited himself to the TWO main areas.

So, despite claiming that Mueller was ya'all's White Knight, The TRUMP SLAYER....

NOW, because you didn't get what you want, NOW you claim that Mueller limited himself..

Is THAT ya'all's claim now??

AGAIN, shows your COMPLETE LACK of UNDERSTANDING. As courts are ALREADY UPHOLDING the POWER of CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE and ISSUE SUBPOENAS.

And yet, how many documents and testimony has Democrats got??

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA...

Do I have to go over all your losses AGAIN??

Well, OK...

Russia Collusion.. Dims LOST...

Releasing the full un-redacted report.. Dims LOST....

McGahn appears before the House.. Dims LOST.....

AG Barr appears before the House... Dims LOST....

Mueller appears before the House... Dims LOST...

And NOW you want to claim that ya'all are REALLY winning!!!????

OK, Charlie Sheen.. If you say so.. :D

The only court that matters is the SCOTUS court..

And what have the Dims done there???

***LOST***

You seeing the pattern here sunshine??

Democrats Lose...

Trump WINS....

"Did President Trump et al collude with Russians to win the election...

The answer is an unequivocal and resounding NO.."

AGAIN, NOT TRUE. SEE ABOVE. It was also not for lack of TRYING. OTHERWISE Donald JR would not have been so EAGER to receive DIRT on Clinton from the RUSSIANS, and so DISAPPOINTED when he DID NOT.

"I don't care about it.. Unless the Democrats formalize it as impeachment, they will lose in the courts.."

AGAIN, shows your COMPLETE LACK of UNDERSTANDING. As courts are ALREADY UPHOLDING the POWER of CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE and ISSUE SUBPOENAS.

"IT WASN'T that BROAD.

That's not what ya'all said prior to the reports release..

Ya'all said the exact opposite.. That Mueller will go wherever he wants to go.."

AGAIN, NOT EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID.

Mueller had the authority to go wherever the investigation took him. But Mueller himself, despite Republican hysteria that he would do so, limited himself to the TWO main areas.

AGAIN, BIG DIFFERENCE

[9] Michale

AGAIN. Impeachment isn't a foregone conclusion. Trump is NOT a GENIUS, and Pelosi is NO DUMMY.

CENSURE is an ALTERNATIVE. And just as damaging to Trump with the drip drip of investigation findings during the middle of a presidential campaign.

At least you FINALLY acknowledge the possibility of OBSTRUCTION.

I have never denied ya'all's obsession with Obstruction..

I simply point out that it's nothing but 'Whataboutism'.. A participation trophy because ya'all lost on the ONLY question that matters..

Did President Trump et al collude with Russians to win the election...

The answer is an unequivocal and resounding NO..

But YOU won't concede that, will you??

So, who is the one who is unwilling to acknowledge the facts???

Apparently, it's ya'all..

By all means, let The HOUSE continue with the investigations. Call it an Impeachment investigation if you want, or not, it doesn't matter.

I don't care about it.. Unless the Democrats formalize it as impeachment, they will lose in the courts..

It's THAT simple..

IT WASN'T that BROAD.

That's not what ya'all said prior to the reports release..

Ya'all said the exact opposite.. That Mueller will go wherever he wants to go..

Like I said.. The tune changes when ya'all lost...

I'll get to the rest in a bit.. Gotta run..

"Iddn't it funny how ya'all claimed that the Mueller probe was so broad that it's bound to catch SOMETHING illegal that involves Trump or his family..

NOW that that didn't happen, all of the sudden the tune changes.. :D"

IT WASN'T that BROAD. In Fact, in was quite LIMITED. It dealt with only TWO Subjects:

1) Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

2) Possible obstruction of the investigation into that interference.

THAT'S IT

Other things, like:

Wire and Bank Fraud regarding Trump company taxes, involving members of Trump's family like Jared and Ivanka

Illegal financial transactions involving the Trump inauguration committee

Hush money payments to Stormy Daniels etc.

Violations of the emoluments clause

were all BEYOND Mueller's SCOPE, and are STILL being handled ELSEWHERE, such as by the Attorney General of NEW YORK STATE

"IFFY OBSTRUCTION.."

At least you FINALLY acknowledge the possibility of OBSTRUCTION.

By all means, let The HOUSE continue with the investigations. Call it an Impeachment investigation if you want, or not, it doesn't matter.

The HOUSE doesn't have to take a FORMAL vote on Impeachment. They could always stop just short of that and pass a MOTION OF CENSURE.

They might even pick up a lot of Republican votes for CENSURE.

"NO COLLUSION..."

NOT TRUE.

I know subtly and nuance are beyond your intellectual grasp.

Mueller found PLENTY instances of collusion by VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS ASSOCIATED with the TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

What he did not FIND was ENOUGH evidence to support a
charge of a DELIBERATE COORDINATED CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY taking place among those individuals.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

If it’s important for the work to speak for itself, then why did Mueller schedule a press conference in which he would speak for it weeks after it was released? The statement, given the venue in which it was provided, is self-refuting.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/29/mueller-just-proved-his-entire-operation-was-a-political-hit-job-that-trampled-the-rule-of-law/

Well, that's a little harsh..

But it makes some great points..

Democrats are going to slink away, tails tucked between their legs and let Mueller ride off into the sunset..

Yea, little contradictory there.. :D

What can I say.. It was early and I hadn't had my morning 3 diet cokes.. :D

Sue me.. :D

No... By law (a law DEMOCRATS created incidentally) that information cannot be released except under the most unique of circumstances...

Like impeachment...

You should know that, TS...

Further, it's less than 2% of the total report.. Do you HONESTLY believe you are going to find your smoking gun in that?? :D

COLLUSION: NONE.. ZERO... ZILCH.... NADA

OBSTRUCTION: Ambiguous...

That's the Mueller report in a nutshell...

If Congress doesn't like it, they can impeach..

But they can't be THAT stoopid... Can they??

Declassifying material presented to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court (FISA) should shine a light on the legitimacy of the targeting of Trump associates. “I want all the documents around the FISA warrant application released,” Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham told Fox News. “I want to find out exactly how the counterintelligence operation began. I think transparency is good for the American people. Not one Democrat seems to care.”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/28/editorial-declassifying-the-origins-of-the-russia-/

It's ALL going to come out....

Democrats are crapping in their britches and rightly so...

What a great run-up it's going to be to the 2020 Election.. :D

Sanders supporters fearful DNC now backing Biden like it backed Clinton: report

“The mainstream media and the DNC are colluding against the American people," she said. "That’s what it feels like. It’s the same thing all over again."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-supporters-fearful-dnc-and-mainstream-media-colluding-against-americans

...The more things stay the same.. :D

What IS it about Democrats, anyways??

Robert Mueller comments on Russia probe leave Nancy Pelosi holding 'a pair of deuces:' Geraldo Rivera

"If this was cards, Mueller dealt Pelosi a pair of deuces," Rivera opined. "She's holding a pair of deuces now, do you go forward with impeachment with a pair of deuces?"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/geraldo-rivera-pelosi-trump-russia-mueller

Rivera is being generous...

Pelosi has a busted flush...

But yea... Go ahead Democrats.. Impeach.. The American people will treat ya'all as liberators.. :eyeroll:

I honestly don't believe that Democrats could be so stoopid as to actually impeach the President...

But I do have one prediction to make..

If the Democrats ARE that stoopid and DO start impeachment proceedings.....

All the Democrats here who said that impeachment is a bad idea....??? ALL of them will have a change of heart and agree that impeachment is definitely the best way to proceed..

To paraphrase Captain Montgomery Scott..

"Predicting the actions of Party Slaves?? That's easy. It's reading Klingon that's hard..."

:D

Goading the Democrats into doing something really really stoopid..

With one exception, everyone here agrees that impeaching the President would be a bone-headed move by the Democrats...

The tag team of Trump/Mueller may just goad the Dumbocrats into that bone-headed move... :D

“There is a real danger if Democrats fail to have message clarity and moral clarity when it comes to this,” said Ezra Levin, co-founder of the influential liberal activist group Indivisible. “There will be a real question of how they’ll ever motivate people to vote for them.”
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article230956313.html

Once again, President Trump has maneuvered Democrats into a perfect LOSE-LOSE situation... :D

If they impeach, Independents and NPAs will flock to President Trump by the millions..

If they don't impeach, the Democrat base will stay home by the millions on election day 2020...

PURE UNADULTERATED GENIUS!!!!

You just HAVE to admire how President Trump has played the Democrat Party... :D

Iddn't it funny how ya'all claimed that the Mueller probe was so broad that it's bound to catch SOMETHING illegal that involves Trump or his family..

NOW that that didn't happen, all of the sudden the tune changes.. :D

I don't think it would help Repubs at all, no matter how they tried to spin it.

Despite ALL the facts to the contrary.. :D

What struck me is that if Mueller testify before Congress like he spoke today - tone and substance - then I suggest Congress get someone (Robert De Nero, for example?) to read our loud the Mueller report and Americans who have not read any of it yet would get more out of it that way. Seriously.

That's already been done..

Democrats read the report aloud and America hater John Cusack joined in...

The report says what it says..

NO COLLUSION

IFFY OBSTRUCTION..

If the Democrats feel there was obstruction, let them impeach President Trump..

I DARE them to do so..

Yep.. Dumbocrats in Congress would be total MORONS to try and force Mueller to testify..

I expect Dumbocrats to do just that..

So at this point, nobody knows how it will all play out.

O come now.. EVERYONE knows how it's going to play out..

Democrats are going to slink away, tails tucked between their legs and let Mueller ride off into the sunset..

This was his real unstated message today, issued in advance in an effort to lower everyone's expectations for what his testimony will likely contain. He probably won't succeed in doing so, but that was the biggest takeaway I heard from hearing Mueller speak for the first time today.

Agreed...

The message that Mueller will give if he is forced to testify will be the same message he gave with his report..

NO COLLUSION...

AND

Iffy Obstruction that it's up to the AG or Congress to determine if it was truly obstruction...

They all should continue their investigations under the central umbrella of the Impeachment committee. Emoluments, Security, Financial Crimes, etc. should be focused on whether DJT and/or his subordinates, have acted not just "criminally", but also failed to uphold their oaths, etc. There should be lots of hearings - they should be coordinated to help build the case of unfitness, versus being in competition or being siloed, as though the other investigations aren't happening.

IOW, proceed more or less as planned, but under an umbrella of pre-impeachment instead of there just being a bunch of committees doing investigations with no coordination or cooperation.

THEN the House can go through the formal steps of drafting articles and putting them to vote.

DJT is unfit for multiple reasons and should be impeached for them all. If Dems handle it effectively, Repubs could still obstruct in the Senate but they'd look really, really bad. DJT would not be "exonerated" - it would be republican party-over-country dereliction of duty.

I think showing GOP dereliction in the face of massive evidence of DJT, Pence, & key figures in the adminstration's criminality and unfitness would be a BLESSING for Dems as we approach 2020. I don't think it would help Repubs at all, no matter how they tried to spin it. And they would try to spin it, just as they will spin Dem failure to impeach. They will spin because that's SOP - but we KNOW that and can counter.

And he (De Nero) would only have to read out loud the two introductions and the two executive summaries of the two volumes of the Mueller report.

Note to Congress - be careful what you wish for!