Comments on: Democrats Should Draft Some Presidential Ethics Bills

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Sat, 04 May 2019 23:13:26 +0000

Let's wait and see what the IG says.

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Sat, 04 May 2019 23:12:47 +0000

Do you really have that low an opinion of the FBI, Balthasar?

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Thu, 02 May 2019 20:14:23 +0000

LWYH - Where does it say they were sent in to gather “opposition research”?

By conflating it with Global GPS, which was, originally oppo research that was turned into raw data for the FBI. The FBI then opened an investigation that they assert was the same thing.

It's just another of a million word games they play every day.

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Thu, 02 May 2019 19:48:05 +0000

Michale,

So... Obama's FBI sent a spy to infiltrate the Trump campaign to gain opposition research...

And no one here is bothered by that...

Where does it say they were sent in to gather “opposition research”? If it was opposition research, why didn’t Obama announce Trump was being investigated by the FBI? Opposition research does not do you any good once the election is over. They sent someone in to question about all of the Russian contacts that occurred with Trump campaign members... you remember them, the ones they have lied about continuously!

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Thu, 02 May 2019 19:26:02 +0000

Michale [13]

If Trump’s lying is a scandal, folks, we need to revisit Obama’s tenure, stat.

Obama was wrong for claiming that people would definitely be able to keep their doctor with the ACA. The ACA did not cause people to lose their doctor, that was the decision of the insurance providers. Regardless, Obama admitted he was wrong to claim that you could keep your doctor and apologized to the American people for his error.

Tenure revisited.

Glad you brought up Obama’s one lie. Now why don’t you explain Trump’s 10,000 lies in just over 2 years!

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Thu, 02 May 2019 19:17:17 +0000

Obama's FBI sent a spy to infiltrate the Trump campaign to gain opposition research...

Well, that finally makes more sense. I always wondered about Papandopoulis, and how they knew so much about him.

And good, good for them to follow up in a way that wouldn't affect the campaign.

And as for Biden? If he, or anyone working for him was in contact with the, say, Chinese, wouldn't you want to know? Yer blowin' hot air.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 18:08:47 +0000

F.B.I. Sent Investigator Posing as Assistant to Meet With Trump Aide in 2016
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/politics/fbi-government-investigator-trump.html

So... Obama's FBI sent a spy to infiltrate the Trump campaign to gain opposition research...

And no one here is bothered by that...

Contrast that to President Trump's FBI sending in a spy to the Biden campaign.. Or the Buttagig campaign...

Ya'all would lose your frakin' minds...

Proving beyond ANY doubt that ALL that matters is Republican vs Democrat...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 17:54:04 +0000

OK so we have Balthasar and Pelosi accusing AG Barr of lying...

Facts to support???

Non-existent....

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:44:44 +0000

Face it Weigantians, Trumps 'sin' was NOT collusion, was NOT conspiracy, was NOT hacking Dem emails, was NOT getting dirt on Hillary from Russians, was NOT obstruction, was NOT paying off hookers to keep quit, was NOT a single one of the thousand things you keep citing, those are all PROXY sins for the one REAL SIN - the bastard won the election when all the Dem news media and all the Dem polltakers said he never had even a ghost of a chance! Therefore, congress needs to immediately draft "ethics legislation" to the effect, "THOU GAWDAM REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE SHALT NOT DEFEAT OUR SURE-THING DEMOCRAT!!!, (Under penalty of being forbidden to patronize hookers forever!!!, that would show him.) More factual words were never spoken...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:44:01 +0000

Yeah, unlike Holder, who wrapped his disdain for Congress in legitimate legal theory, Barr just simply lies, then tries to back fill.

Any FACTS to support that claim??

Of course not..

Ya'all have made it PERFECTLY CLEAR you don't want nor need FACTS...

Ya'all have yer hate and yer intolerance and THAT is all you need..

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:33:18 +0000

Speaker Pelosi accuses Attorney General William Barr of committing a crime: ‘He lied to Congress’

Yeah, unlike Holder, who wrapped his disdain for Congress in legitimate legal theory, Barr just simply lies, then tries to back fill.

It's failing, of course. But Barr doesn't care, because slowing it all down is his goal.

By: C. R. Stucki

C. R. Stucki — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:30:36 +0000

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:26:50 +0000

Do you know how many times the word "Woman" is mentioned in the Constitution?

Zero.

That is unacceptable. Women must be equally represented and equally protected. #ERANow
-Democrat Presidential Candidate Eric Swalwell

This is the kind of moron that Democrats are running..

It's no wonder they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 15:13:38 +0000

Speaker Pelosi accuses Attorney General William Barr of committing a crime: ‘He lied to Congress’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/02/nancy-pelosi-accuses-william-barr-of-committing-a-crime.html

"We don't need any FACTS to support our accusations. We said it and that is all the evidence that is needed..."
-Democrat Party

:eyeroll:

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 14:51:35 +0000

House Democrat Brings Toy Chicken and KFC Bucket to Hearing to Mock Barr’s No-Show
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/house-democrat-brings-toy-chicken-and-kfc-bucket-to-hearing-to-mock-barrs-no-show/

There is your "serious" Democrats.. :eyeroll:

Wonder if they brought this stuff when AG Holder was too chicken to appear before Congress...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 13:46:31 +0000

"Democrats.... should just go ahead and publicly make the assumption that Trump is definitely trying to hide all sorts of things, and that his guilt is already plain for all to see. Proof will come later..." "I really hate her.... I'll think of a reason later" -Lee Ann Womack So, basically throw out centuries of legal jurisprudence of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.... SOLELY to further a partisan/ideological agenda.. REALLY!!??? It's a very small itty bitty step from THAT to "Let's just kill Trump. He probably deserves it..." I never thought I would see the day where Weigantians en masse would ignore the law, ignore what's morally and ethically right and just go with blatant nekkid partisanship.. And YA'ALL want to presume to lecture on ETHICS!!!???? The Democrats' political message is a simple one: "Never again." Never again will Congress let a president get away with such impropriety. Never again will a president be able to profit off the presidency so blatantly. Never again will America not know where the president's income comes from. Never again can we allow the perception that our president is financially bound to some foreign power or entity. Never again will we have to rely only on any president's own sense of ethical responsibility, because that obviously doesn't work with a president who doesn't understand the basic concepts of ethics in the first place. IOW..... NEVER AGAIN will we let the law or ethics or morality stop us from furthering our own political agenda, by hook or by crook... WOW..... Just... WOW...

By: Elizabeth Miller

Elizabeth Miller — Thu, 02 May 2019 13:44:48 +0000

Do you believe the that massive Left ward push of the Democrat Party will force Biden to move Left with them??

Absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT.

By: TheStig

TheStig — Thu, 02 May 2019 13:01:11 +0000

CW-

I'm glad to see you are back...and I hope your mount didn't come to a sad ending.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/98/29/4598298da9059f52b2e734512ba2d852.jpg

There isn't a huge difference between the Trump Presidency and a balky auto transmission.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 12:05:50 +0000

CW..

MOOSE POOP!!!! MOOSE POOP I TELL YOU!!!!

For the unenlightened masses.. :D

Friday Talking Points [46] -- Moose Poop!
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/09/05/friday-talking-points-46-moose-poop/

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 10:58:36 +0000

CW..

MOOSE POOP!!!! MOOSE POOP I TELL YOU!!!!

Man stopped with moose poop at Alaska airport told agents it’s for politicians, TSA says
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/national/article229864959.html

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 10:48:39 +0000

“How did we get to the point where the evidence is now that the president was falsely accused of colluding with the Russians, accused of being treasonous and accused of being a Russian agent, and the evidence now is that that was without a basis? And two years of his administration have been dominated by allegations that have now been proven false. But to listen to some of the rhetoric, you would think the Mueller report had found the opposite.”
-Attorney General William Barr

Word....

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 10:19:33 +0000

BARR EATS DEMOCRATS FOR BREAKFAST

Barr exposed the rampant desperation of Trump’s foes

They smeared him, called him a liar and said he should resign. The same Senate Democrats on the Judiciary Committee who tried to assassinate the character of Judge Brett Kavanaugh last year pulled the same stunt on Bill Barr — with the same result.

They failed because, once again, they were throwing mud while shooting blanks.

Despite the Dems’ desperate efforts to derail Kavanaugh’s nomination with false accusations, he is now on the Supreme Court. Barr was obviously prepared for his mud bath and was unflappable in the face of Wednesday’s mean-spirited assault, proving himself to be a rock-solid attorney general.

As he said at his confirmation hearing, “I won’t be bullied,” and he wasn’t.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/01/barr-exposed-the-rampant-desperation-of-trumps-foes/

Poor Democrats.. They are so utterly demoralized and decimated, all they can do is feebly grab for minute straws that they think will keep the RUSSIA COLLUSION dream afloat...

What a sad day for the Democrat Party :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 09:48:04 +0000

Liz,

Enter Joe Biden

That Biden is considered a moderate is a testament to how far his party has moved to the left.

That Joe Biden, at this writing the most recent candidate to file for the Democratic presidential nomination, is considered a moderate is a testament both to how far and rapidly his party has moved to the left and to the portward skew of the national press.

A Democratic politician now qualifies as a moderate if he believes that 180 million Americans should not be forcibly removed from private health insurance and put in a government system; that third-trimester abortions should be restricted; and that deportation must continue to be a key part of our immigration regime. All of these were positions that liberal Democrats considered compatible with their creed when Biden was vice president, less than three years ago. All of them are still positions held by millions of Americans who regularly vote for Democrats. But all of them are being anathematized by the left-wing activists who hold disproportionate sway in the party’s primaries.

In the progressive media, Biden is even being slammed because his indictment of President Donald Trump has not been widened into an indictment of America for electing him.

The effort to win the primaries may make Biden move further left himself: He has already denounced our legal system as “white man’s law,” possibly because it respects the presumption of innocence. (Reporters may wish to get some clarity from him on this question.) Were he to get the nomination, his alleged moderation would become a key selling point.

Step outside the funhouse mirror of Twitter. Biden has for his entire career been a strong, albeit not wholly consistent, supporter of every left-wing cause from higher taxes to hate-crimes laws to liberal judicial activism. Conservatives should not let themselves be fooled into thinking he is a moderate, and neither should actual moderates.
https://tinyurl.com/y3kymv7t

I am sincerely curious...

Do you believe the that massive Left ward push of the Democrat Party will force Biden to move Left with them??

And do you believe that such a Left ward push for Biden will change Biden??

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 09:47:03 +0000

Liz,

Enter Joe Biden

I am sincerely curious...

Do you believe the that massive Left ward push of the Democrat Party will force Biden to move Left with them??

And do you believe that such a Left ward push for Biden will change Biden??

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 09:36:25 +0000

This nation doesn’t need an ethics lecture from a Democratic Party that lies more than a no-legged dog. Lord have mercy, but has Biden forgotten that Democrats — led by his old boss — passed Obamacare on the back of a cock-and-bull story so egregious that it was given the “Lie of the Year” award? President Barack Obama lied repeatedly to the American people, yet Democrats celebrate his “scandal free” administration. If Trump’s lying is a scandal, folks, we need to revisit Obama’s tenure, stat.

Some Democrats mindlessly chant “character matters” with nary a hint of self-reflection. But there’s no character in a party that tells you your taxes went up when they went down, or that glibly tossed Brett Kavanaugh’s reputation out of the car window with Michael Avenatti behind the wheel.

Hope springs eternal that honesty will find a place in Washington, but Democrats won’t find the high ground no matter how often Biden breathlessly lies into a television camera. Listen to how effortlessly Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez — the true heart and soul of the Democratic party — explains away her own fabrications:

“I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” she told Anderson Cooper.

Thou shalt not bear false witness, unless thou considers thouself moral, then... knock yourself out.

When Democrats cease their “sustained and misleading effort” to destroy the Trump presidency, we can talk about whether character matters. Until then, Biden and the lot of them can pound sand.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2019/05/01/scott-jennings-democrats-lie-and-media-lets-them/3637723002/?fbclid=IwAR2TkERzyVzZ9S8Uip5swRvVfV93_eGFPKm1aDIFA1WNMULLJphwOxhEjO8

Seriously... Ya'all want to lecture others about "ethics"???

Maybe a good long look in the mirror is warranted before ya'all presume to lecture others..

Tend to ya'all's own house first.. Then.. and ONLY then.. will you acquire the necessary moral fiber to presume to lecture others...

"Thus spake the lord.."
-Chuck

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 09:26:12 +0000

Camille Paglia Can’t Say That

Art students are trying to get the social critic fired from a job she has held for three decades.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/camille-paglia-uarts-left-deplatform/587125/

This is what ya'all's Democrat Party has become..

And, frankly, I find it shocking that ya'all (NEN) are completely fine with this...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 09:07:26 +0000

“Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now or you kill them later”
-Democrat John Rogers in support of abortion...

"Kill kids now or kill kids later"

It's the Democrat Party way...

:^/

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:54:30 +0000

Buttigieg meets with Hillary Clinton
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441632-buttigieg-meets-with-hillary-clinton

Obviously, Buttagig wants to learn how to lose an election.. With dignity..

No.. Wait.. That can't be it.. :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:44:58 +0000

Can Dems Resist the Urge to Impeach?
That would be wise, but Trump-hating House members may lack the self-restraint.

The first polls following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report flash warning signs for congressional Democrats. It’s not looking good for their investigate-and-impeach strategy.

An April 22-25 Washington Post/ABC survey found only 37% of voters want to “begin impeachment proceedings that could lead to [President] Trump being removed from office.” That’s down from 49% in August.

More troubling for Democrats is the shift among independents. In August 49% of them supported starting impeachment proceedings. Today only 36% do, while 59% oppose it.

These results are mirrored in an April 24-29 “PBS NewsHour”/NPR/Marist poll. Democrats said the Mueller report should “lead to congressional impeachment hearings” against Mr. Trump, but independents said no, 51% to 40%.

Similarly, an April 25-28 CNN/SRRS poll found 69% of Democrats, 30% of independents and 7% of Republicans felt that Mr. Trump “should be impeached and removed from office”—while 25% of Democrats, 66% of independents and 93% of Republicans said no.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-dems-resist-the-urge-to-impeach-11556749915

Oh yes... Impeach President Trump... That is obviously the best strategy to follow!! :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:34:41 +0000

If the GOP really wanted to play hardball, they should let "slip" to Democrats that a couple dozen or so GOPers are willing to side with Democrats on impeaching President Trump..

Get the HOUSE all geared up towards impeachment..

And then pull the rug out from under the Dems and show a unified front in support of the President..

Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!??? :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:32:16 +0000

But, of course, ya'all are right...

Trump should be impeached..

Frak the ballot box!

Go ahead and impeach President Trump..

I double dog dare ya!! :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:31:03 +0000

Again, Democrats should continue fighting Trump in the House committees and in the courts. But if Trump's going to stonewall and delay both of these avenues to the hilt -- as he's already giving every indication of doing -- Funny how ya'all approved of and supported Obama when he did the EXACT same thing.. So, once again, I can't get excited about ya'all's claim of "ethics" violations. Because the FACTS clearly show that ya'all don't really care about ethics at all.. Ya'all ONLY care when it's a GOP'er who has ethics violations..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 02 May 2019 08:29:03 +0000

If Trump avoids impeachment but loses the 2020 election and then is convicted of multiple felonies...

Still delusional, eh Russ? :D

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Thu, 02 May 2019 05:53:29 +0000

Barr claimed today that the President could fire an investigator conducting an investigation of the President IF the President believed their was no crime committed and it would NOT be obstruction of justice!

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Thu, 02 May 2019 05:47:28 +0000

If Trump avoids impeachment but loses the 2020 election and then is convicted of multiple felonies....will the Secret Service agents assigned to him follow him to prison?

By: Kick

Kick — Thu, 02 May 2019 02:01:28 +0000

CW: House Democrats are currently exploring multiple avenues in investigating President Donald Trump's possible wrongdoing. Possible wrongdoing!? Most modern presidents have followed ethical norms, especially when it comes to their own personal finances. But then most modern presidents and multiple of his spawn and son-in-law have not literally been bona fide money launderers via the organization of the president. Assuming this fact is true... as facts by definition are... it becomes crystal clear why the unredacted report of Robert Mueller would cause more than a little discomfort to a sitting POTUS. There is simply no logical reason why the president should be exempt from the ethics rules that every other employee of the executive branch must follow. Apparently the president believes money laundering is a "logical reason." I would wager he and his GOP toadies will be collectively obstructing all kinds of justice in order to keep that whole situation redacted and covered. Obviously, coverup of criminal wrongdoing by the president and multiple family members is only ever going to remain hidden in the short run... so we've got that to look forward to. :)

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Thu, 02 May 2019 00:58:52 +0000

obviously doesn't work with a president who doesn't understand the basic concepts of ethics in the first place

Nor with his followers, who take glee at his every offense.

The left-right divide has been escalated in country after country, to the point where we can't simply ascribe it to politics as usual. Russia sees advantages in right wing politics, as Mueller describes in an all-but-forgotten segment of his report.

Your comments are good, but I wonder if it will be enough. Seem to be pitfalls in every direction.