Kick, I'm glad you aren't actually advising Democrats.

Well, I regret to inform you that I actually am advising Democrats... and Republicans and NPAs, and it was our collective ideas and very hard work that flipped the very heavily gerrymandered Congressional District known as TX-32 from Red to Blue in the 2018 midterm elections. It was all part of that "effectively focusing" we're collectively all still doing.

You're welcome. :)

Because they have the best policies and the public should know about them.

Context, Elizabeth. Your comment's substance was "the Mueller report" and your belief that it "probably" wouldn't "lead to the downfall of the Trump presidency," and you queried when Democrats would focus on something that would.

I answered your question in context. The Democrats I know are focusing on that, and many of the Republicans and NPAs I know are helping them. I will borrow Balthasar's very factual statement to inform that they can indeed walk and chew gum at the same time... multitaskers are us.

Are you serious?

I would say usually around 70/30... maybe 80/20. :)

Because they have the best policies and the public should know about them.

Are you serious?

And, for example, when and where will Democrats start taking the punch out of the president's claim that they are for open borders and crime?

Probably because no one is for open borders and crime and because it's an asinine gaslighting claim on the level of: When will Democrats stop beating their wives?

Answering stupid gaslighting claims out of the mouth of a con artist only lends credence to the bullshit spewing out of his mouth, and it's not even a new bullshit gaslighting claim since Trump was spewing it all during midterm season at the same time he was ginning up fear of the caravan that was coming to kill everyone.

I mean, this isn't rocket science …

Right... it isn't rocket science. The POTUS is lying... AGAIN. Next.

The Mueller report is probably not going to lead to the downfall of the Trump presidency.

I'm "probably" not going to sprout wings and fly.

When will Democrats start effectively focusing on all that will?

What on Earth has convinced you that they're "effectively" not doing that? Why would Democrats announce their future plans to the public?

not having read the mueller report i can't say with certainty, but it appears that donald has NOT committed treason against the USA.

One does not have to commit "treason against the USA" in order to be a traitor to this country. "Treason" is a legal term of art that was narrowly defined by the Founding Fathers for many reasons, not the least of which was because they "resembled that remark" with regard to "the Crown" they had overthrown. Me or anyone else opining that Donald Trump or anyone else is a traitor to this country is not necessarily a legal opinion. You may have heard that a

sure there was enough evidence to make it worth investigating, but if it comes out the way i think it will, are you really going to say that mueller was wrong?

While it's certainly no secret that regular posters on this board are bombarded ad nauseam by asinine and sophomoric posts that claim to know their innermost beliefs, how many times have I insisted that I know what you're thinking? I won't pretend to know... so if it comes out how you "think it will," what are you thinking?

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No cheating off other students' papers. ;)

And am I really going to say that Mueller was wrong?

I have no idea what I'm going to think in the future based on events that haven't happened yet. Right now I can tell you that I know Barr and Mueller were arguing for weeks. Full stop. Barr asked Mueller to review his statement before it was released to the public, and Mueller declined to do so. I believe Mueller declined in order to preserve the record, and I also believe that Mueller will speak through his report and under oath to Congress and otherwise won't speak. :)

I mean, this isn't rocket science ...

When will Democrats start effectively focusing on all that will?

not having read the mueller report i can't say with certainty, but it appears that donald has NOT committed treason against the USA. sure there was enough evidence to make it worth investigating, but if it comes out the way i think it will, are you really going to say that mueller was wrong?

JL

As for 'trolling' and other nonsense/mean-spirited comments - I'd rather see them ignored or at least not egged on for exponentially more nonsense comments.

People might take you more seriously if you practiced what you preached, EM. However, when you're the poster who's generally not ignoring the comments you don't like, then you've quite literally become the very thing about which you're whining... incessantly.

I don't think that's too much to ask or hope for …

If you're constantly asking [and spoiler alert -- you are], then you meet or exceed your own definition of a person who is "part of the problem."

Why can't people just ignore what they don't want to read here by people they don't like without always making a big issue out of it.

If you (generic you) can't do that, then you are part of the problem (general disrespect) that plagues this site. ~ Elizabeth Miller

Truth is, Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time, and the investigations never waned.

Exactly right. :)

As for Greenwald, he's so far left, he's right, and probably on Putin's payroll.

Oh, right... we have a winner here! Does anybody actually believe it was mere happenstance that Greenwald's buddy Snowden's ultimate destination was Russia? Has anyone not heard that the DOJ let it slip accidentally that there is a sealed indictment against Julian Assange... another buddy of Greenwald and Snowden? Greenwald wouldn't have any reason to carry water for his buddies Snowden and J. Ass, would he? :)

yes. i can't speak for anyone else, but i for one would like to be damn certain before i go about calling the president of my country a traitor.

No one who has knowledge of Donald Trump's history needs the "Mueller Report" to confirm the fact that he has been a traitor to this country, some of which is already public.

Exactly...

"You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs."
-Anne Arkey

“We don’t have to break anything.”
“Clearly you’ve never made an omelet.”
“I swear, he beat my by like 2 seconds!!”
-Avengers Age Of Ultron

Just my personal opinion of course, but I think that CW doesn't like getting involved because he doesn't like to take sides..

Again, that's just my personal belief..

And people should realize that what THEY term shoddy rhetorical fallacies really aren't...

especially those of the ad hominem kind.

You mean, like calling people trolls??? Or attacking people's websites??

If you want to know the problems here, you first must look in the mirror..

Now, was that really necessary?

It's hard to get out of the habit but, it's well worth the effort, I believe.

… but the CW.com needs to take trolling seriously.

I agree that Chris should discourage nonsense, mean-spirited comments. That would go a long way toward improving the overall quality of many of the comment threads here.

But, it is up to all of us in how we respond or not respond. I'd like to see us try it.

As for 'trolling' and other nonsense/mean-spirited comments - I'd rather see them ignored or at least not egged on for exponentially more nonsense comments.

I don't think that's too much to ask or hope for ...

I mean it, but the CW.com needs to take trolling seriously. If you don't mind being a bit depressed, Google:

news media closes comment sites

There is an interaction between web content, monetization, and user comments. A lot of sites have closed their online comments due to trolling. Evidently, trolling is bad for the bottom line. People in a sour mood are less likely to subscribe.

I have pretty nearly abandoned YouTube due to rampant trolling and resulting loss of good content as collateral damage. Stupid content algorithms just seem to average good content with click bait in an effort to max out revenue. I don't need that.

Make no mistake, I greatly enjoy and admire this site,it's savvy, it serves a need and I support it at Kitten Time. Lately, the revival of polarizing, repetitious and rhetorically shoddy mass trolling is a real turn-off. CW.com is a political newsletter oriented towards Democrats. No secret that. People with other politics should be welcome, but they, in turn, should be respectful, not clutter the scroll with repetitions or piss in the corners with shoddy rhetorical fallacies, especially those of the ad hominem kind. For those who find these terms untenable or just boring, use your abundant spare time to create, manage and update your own political commentary website, or find another political blog.

This was a one-off.

Excellent!

Given the state of trolling here, it was like tossing an orange into the East River to estimate the current.

Reason enough to hope that you meant it when you said it was a "one-off".

For example, a single-payer, government run through taxation on all taxpayers, healthcare system is not 'excess' - it's the only healthcare system that works.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to make it thru your day.... :D

I could just as easily say I got you to stop posting HuffPoop bullshit for a while..

DUH...

BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OK. Now yer 2-off for Trolling..

M- "It's not so funny when it's your mother is it?"

-Bob Einstein

#3

-Bob Einstein

Until the next one...

Given the state of trolling here

Of which you contribute to on a regular basis, as you have just conceded...

OK... Good ta know... :D

This was a one-off. Given the state of trolling here, it was like tossing an orange into the East River to estimate the current.

Are you worried about the "excesses of the Left" in this regard??

Yes, as I am worried about any excess.

You're dragging all of us here into so please stop.

BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

TRANSLATION: I fraked up royally but can't admit I fraked up royally so I'll go with the 3rd Grade Playground excuse, "I meant to do that!!!"

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stig, I see yer the same elitist snob/moron you have always been..

Don't ever change... :D

Joe McCarthy, is that you?? :D

Heh, we've been talking about this for weeks, and finally Fox cops to it, and it's news.

You have been talking about how Dumbocrats are ignoring legislation and solely concentrating on taking down President Trump???

Where??

No, I got the point, but while on the topic of misinformation I decided to do a little psychological experiment of my own. How much pointless controversy could I generate by inserting a bit of misinformation of my own? I misrepresented your Kunning-Druger post as deliberate misinformation about the actual KDR*, which it is not - your script is an original parody. My misinformation exercise generated three hits. Not outstandingly successful trolling on my part, but personally informative (it is kind of fun) - and it was my first try. With practice I feel I could be a much better troll. Sorry to drag you into this Balthy.

Heh, we've been talking about this for weeks, and finally Fox cops to it, and it's news.

Truth is, Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time, and the investigations never waned.

As for Greenwald, he's so far left, he's right, and probably on Putin's payroll. You can claim him.

Dems ramp up anti-Trump probes post-Mueller, despite pledge to focus on agenda

But while some in the caucus have indeed pivoted to issues like health care, senior Democratic lawmakers have sought to keep the investigations humming, ramping up their anti-Trump probes on a variety of fronts while mounting a battle with the Justice Department over access to the complete Mueller report and its underlying materials.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-ramp-up-anti-trump-probes-post-mueller-despite-pledge-to-focus-on-agenda

Once again... Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... :^/

Says the guy who's entire outlook is based on social construct and NOT reality.. :D

The pontification from on high about how "honest" Greenwald is, even though, he is "wrong" is the high-handed elitism that our right wing parrots think passes for political insight.

Huh?? What you say???

You talking about high-handed elitism?? :D

The simple fact is, unlike most everyone here, GG is not ruled by Party slavery...

He says what he thinks, Party loyalty be damned..

As I said.. That's refreshing because it is nearly non-existent in Weigantia...

"Note to Galley; Romulan Ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions."

"Spock, I'm REALLY tired..."

:D

I'm not really well acquainted with everything about Greenwald, but I've caught two very recent interviews of his, one with Amy whatshername on "Democracy Now", and this one with the Young Turkeys, and far as I'm concerned, he was dead on both times.

Local right wingers still to understand reality.

The little love fest over Greenwald is rather amusing. Shame they can't add the introspection to address their rampant Dunning-Krugers.

The pontification from on high about how "honest" Greenwald is, even though, he is "wrong" is the high-handed elitism that our right wing parrots think passes for political insight.

I have always said the Glenn Greenwald has the most integrity of ANY Left Winger I have ever met..

It's not that he is always right.. He is usually always wrong..

But his opinions and his activism is NOT swayed by Party slavery in the slightest..

He cares not a whit for the -D or the -R after a person's name..

That kind of unbiased and objective activism is very refreshing..

As I said.. GG is often wrong.. But I have never questioned his motivations as he has ALWAYS indicated that they are pure..

Wrong.. But pure..

Both of those guys are firmly embedded on your side of the political spectrum, but Greenwald is smart enough, or perhaps perceptive enough, not to let his political ideology distort his perception of reality, whereas Cenk takes your attitude, that being that any help whatsoever from Russians just gotta qualify as "something of value and therefore illegal", as Kick loves to call it.

"You can lead a horse to water..."

-but you can't make him drink if he is used to drinking the Koolaid.

Oh... SNAP...

Point to DH :D

Captain Kirk: (Star Trek VI, The Undiscovered Country)

"Note to Galley; Romulan Ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions."

I get the impression you appear to be confusing/conflating the Kunning-Druger Effect with the Dunning-Kruger Effect, meaning in effect, that you likely missed the whole point of my [74]

-but you can't make him drink if he is used to drinking the Koolaid.

Oh... SNAP...

Point to DH :D

“Prosecutors generally take a broad view of what constitutes grand jury information in order to avoid inadvertently disclosing it, but here there’s a strong counterbalancing interest in ensuring that everything that can come out does come out,” Bies said.

Democrats are NOT going to see an un-redacted Mueller report..

This is another fact that ya'all better get used to..

You see, Balthy?? Even Democrats are acknowledging that, legally, somethings simply can't be released..

You will never see an un-redacted Mueller report. You might as well get used to that fact...

Looks like the Left Wing anti-"Hate" group, the Southern Poverty Law Center has a lot of hate within it's ranks..

The irony is delicious.. It tastes like chicken..

:D

I am betting there are 2, possibly 3 of ya'all who would..

Ya'all used to love SNL when they were skewering President Trump..

“SNL” Takes Break From Trump-Bashing to Focus on Biden Scandal
“Saturday Night Live” alum Jason Sudeikis returns to play former VP in cold open.
https://youtu.be/JKeG1iJNxGs

I have to wonder if ya'all would find that funny...???

Rex Murphy: It will be a while before Vogue calls on Trudeau again
Sans halo, he now walks the ground like every other politician, as pedestrian as the rest of them
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-it-will-be-a-while-before-vogue-calls-on-trudeau-again?video_autoplay=true

"Well, well, well... Looks like the freshly driven snow has a few tire tracks thru it.."
-Janet Wood, THREES COMPANY

You wanted a serious discussion...

Reality Check for 2020 Democrats
This week offered more evidence that moderation is the key for the party to win back the blue-wall states that Trump carried in 2016.

Even Joe Biden defenders are now worrying about the excesses of the Left, alarmed that the #MeToo movement has expanded from fighting the scourge of sexual harassment and is now shaming politicians who cluelessly invade personal space. Politics has turned into preschool, and candidates adhering to a no-tolerance standard toward every minor misdeed will invite backlash.
https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/677871?unlock=OVBW84B01K2AVQPR

I am sincerely curious..

Are you worried about the "excesses of the Left" in this regard??

“So, he’s going to win this victory,” Romney added. “He wins them time after time.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/romney-calls-house-democrats-calls-for-trump-tax-returns-moronic

Don'tcha'all like to listen to Romney when he is spewing anti-Trump nonsense???

As I said.. You people better reign in your Party or you won't have a viable Party to reign in..

In his opening statements at a hearing to discuss the subpoenas, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee noted that he’s asked Barr “to work with us” but that “he has so far refused.”
https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/nadler-may-delay-mueller-subpoenas-so-barr-can-change-his-mind/

TRANSLATION: Nadler is a moron who know he can't compel the US AG to break the law so Nadler is backing off..

You people need to REALLY rethink the path your Democrat Party is taking..

If you don't, ya'all will have to live in the world being created...

A world without a viable Democrat Party..

How is Stig's point a perfect example of CRS's?

You wouldn't be stirring up a little pointless controversy by deliberately misstating what the K-DE is ? The K-De isn't about rationalization, it simply states ignorant people tend to overestimate what they know.

You DO realize that you just provided a perfect example of CRS's point, right??

You DO realize that, right??

"You're easily amused, base clear.."
-A1C Russel Morvant

:D

You can lead a horse to water ...

CRS doesn't understand irony, so I thought a more direct approach might get your idea across better. Next step down is finger puppets.

You wouldn't be stirring up a little pointless controversy by deliberately misstating what the K-DE is ? The K-De isn't about rationalization, it simply states ignorant people tend to overestimate what they know.

heh.

JL

“There you go, you got it.”

~christopher moore

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That's just a hoity-toity term for the phenomenon where when somebody runs into another person who happens to have a better grasp of whatever priciple than he does, he makes a sorry attempt to rationalize his own ignorance by saying the other guy isn't REALLY more knowledgeable than he is, he simply has an unrealistic opinion of his degree of comprehension.

I'll try harder. For you.

But, I'm pretty much done with this place, anyway. It'll never be what I want it to be.

Yet, oddly enough, I'm pretty pleased with myself ;)

Michale and I have a long term teasing session running and Michale has always been friendly in our private email exchanges.

You might just need to cut us some slack on this one Elizabeth.

My friends who I hike and camp with rip each other to shreds constantly - newcomers know they are in the group when they are pilloried mercilessly the first time about something dumb they have said or done. Maybe this is just a "British Guy" thing, but most of our adopted American friends give as good as they get.

That's a sad excuse for a prize, Neil, and what diminishes the comments sections of this blog to no good end.

Thanks Michale ;)

It annoys him.

TRANSLATION: Michale caught me spewing factless bullshit and now I am lashing out in hopes that no one notices how bad I wet my pants...

Don't worry Neil... Your secret is safe with me.. :D

Pray tell, what on earth did you 'Win'!

It is quite amusing to see such purpose in correcting ones posts while at the same time egging on posters who contribute very little here.

Because he thinks he is a smart troll. He probably sits around with his buddies bragging about "tellin' them libtards what's what".

He actually can be interesting and post intelligent comments if he wants, he isn't as dumb as many of the trolls, but he has to scratch a brain itch where he thinks he is smarter than everybody else every so often.

Should have read:

If Pete does rise to become a front runner, it will be interesting to see how the 15-20% in the center accept him. My guess is that his personal life will be of little interest and they will care about his ideas.

Pete B. was excellent - he addresses the questions and expounds sensibly on the subjects.

Elizabeth Warren was on Steven Colbert and was just a wind up mouthpiece - far too scripted, and as somebody who has been in many rounds of media training, the performance was rehearsed and unnatural. I'm a fan of her message, not her delivery - she is trying too hard and comes across as stilted the same was Hillary does.

Julian Castro let Maher lead him down the garden path in a way that Pete B. avoided. Castro could have given a brief answer then expanded into the subject to present his own ideas - instead he just drilled down instead of expanding out. A mistake in a short interview being driven by a smart comedian - you aren't going to out-wit a stand-up comedian - they are like sprinters, they will beat anybody over short distances, they tend to be weaker in longer interviews.

As Pete B. rises in the polls, it will be interesting to see when he comes onto Trump's radar and the childish abuse starts. It won't be difficult to stop if Michale hasn't run away again, because he will parrot the jibes for us. Obviously the issue that Trump will want to make the election about is gay immigrants killing babies - and we know at least 40% of the electorate is dumb enough to think this is the only thing standing between them and their messiah making the 1950's come back for them.

If Pete does rise to become a front runner, it will be interesting to see how the 15-20% in the center accept him. My guess is that it will be of little interest.

Remember the Michale rules - only read his comments if they are preceded and followed by a comment from another poster. Two strikes and he's out.

Sticking to this rule drives him crazy.

Also he had to run away after the 2018 elections, so he is a snowflake of the first order.

Why do most, if not all, of your comments here contribute little to the discussion at hand while demeaning your fellow commenters?

This would be a much better place if you could behave with a little more humanity.

This is typical right wing ignorant, over confident (Dunning-Kruger) thinking.

CRS admits that he knows nothing about social media. He brags that he only accesses a few web sites and is just about email capable, yet suddenly he is so confident of his understanding of how the Russian attack on the 2016 election worked, and why it didn't work in 2018, that he is calling everybody else dumb.

These people are usually the first to be arrogant if somebody doesn't understand one of their areas of expertise, yet when they are the novices, they are smarter than the experts (they usually call it "common sense").

Sad.

Yer gettin' smarter. Yep, and can be un-sealed by a judge (or by the Grand Jury). That's underway for everything that isn't still under investigation. Oop, what's that? Oh yeah, it's still being investigated on several fronts.

You guys are mostly all as dumb as the proverbial "Box of Rocks" about these issues.

Uh-huh. We're dumb, and you're stuck out on Lake Whataboutit without a paddle. Can Barr keep a secret the whole world wants to know?

You noticed that too, eh? :D

Only if someone commits a crime..

Grand Jury testimony is SEALED by law...

Well, that drops it into the middle of an election season. Are they sure they want that?

Do you mean, Dumbocrats are going to be hysterical about fantasy Russia Collusion til then!!???

Hell yea, "They" want that!!!!

Did those evil Commies quit hacking your Facebook accounts and e-mails, or did they switch allegiance to the Democratics??

You guys are mostly all as dumb as the proverbial "Box of Rocks" about these issues.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, if you don't mind, we'll decide that when we see it. And we'll see it, don't worry.

Barr's 'hide the sausage' game is barely two weeks old, and the subpoenas are flying. Let's say it takes and entire year to finally pry it from his fingers.

Well, that drops it into the middle of an election season. Are they sure they want that?

We'll see.

Democrats are realizing they will continue to lose voters if the constantly demonize and attack those who don't toe their ideological line...

Barr said he was continuing to work with Mueller’s office on redactions to the report so that it could be released to Congress and the public.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/04/05/barr_defends_handling_of_muellers_russia_report_139972.html

No one will ever see the complete Mueller report untouched...

It will never happen..

So ya'all can continue ya'all's hysterical conspiracy theories right up to the 2020 election..

Can't wait to see ya'all's face when it guarantees a President Trump re-election landslide.. :D

Heh.. Reminds me of ya'all.. :D

Here's another slogan that Joe Biden will have to rethink..

BIDEN 2020 Can't Stop The Feeling

:D

Sgt. Steve Licon
California Highway Patrol, California
End of Watch: Saturday, April 6, 2019

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It's easy to claim that AFTER the fact..

But you being you, I take you at your word.. :D

Biden 2020- I Feel You

Hehehehehe

Now THAT was funny!! :D

This is such a good point, it needs to be made again..

I am certain that the Mueller report will be chock full of Trump/America hating goodies that ya'all will salivate over and feast on until the cows come home...

It was compiled by a team of Trump/America hating Hillary/Democrat sycophants after all...

But there is one fact that simply cannot be denied by any rational and objective person...

The full report (which no one will ever see) will not change the FACT that President Trump is completely and utterly exonerated of Russia Collusion...

The sooner ya'all accept this FACT, the happier your lives will be..