What are these electrolytes? Do you even know?
- They're what they use to make Brawndo!
But why do they use them to make Brawndo?
- Because Brawndo's got electrolytes!
~idiocracy

umm, that's not a fact, it's the same fallacy repeated. we assented to silence being assent by being silent?

excuse me, mr. president, if you look in the dictionary under redundant it says, "see redundant"
~robin williams, live at the met

Funny how Democrats LOVED him then, eh??

Sorry, but you are way off on this one. Trump has always been an obnoxious narcissistic POS who made my skin crawl — the type of man who actually believes the women he dates are attracted to HIM rather than his money!

I won't bother pointing out that even though ya'all yelled and castigated Trump for being "silent" he really wasn't.. He condemned the racists and the nazis as voraciously as Left Wingers did..

Trump saying there are good people amongst the racists and Nazis really isn’t a condemnation. After the slaughter in NZ, Trump claimed white nationalism isn’t a big deal — just a small number of people. He then went on to use the same trigger word - invaders - that the shooter used to describe Muslims to describe asylum seekers on our southern border!

Seriously, don’t bother with comments about how Trump is tough on anyone spewing hate speech...it really does not reflect well on your judgement.

Did they quit, or did they change allegiance?

Are you kidding??

Democrats won the House.. OF COURSE there was no Russian meddling in the election..

It's only Russian meddling if the desired result is not achieved...

What happened to Russian election meddling in the '18 midterms?

Did they quit, or did they change allegiance?

"Let's brass some tacks here.."
-Metatron, SUPERNATURAL

Do you think that President Trump is the freely, fairly and legally elected President Of The United States..

It's a simple yes or no question..

I am sorry, I must have missed something. Could you please point to where you condemned Russia meddling in past US elections..

You can also point where you condemned Obama meddling in the Israeli election while yer at it..

CRS expresses disbelief that subliminal messaging caused Clinton to lose. I said, no way to know whether it caused her to lose, but meddling is happening, and it is a problem.

Is it a problem??

Would it have been a problem if Clinton had won??

Would you have condemned Russian meddling then?? No, you would not have..

I am constrained to point out that every Democrat who has commented on it up to and including the Leftist Messiah, Obama has stated that the election was "free, fair and legal" and that Russian interference had "NO IMPACT ON THE RESULTS"

So, Russians meddled... It's what Russians do.. And I speak from the experience of having first hand dealings with Russia, back when it was known as the USSR...

You are trying so hard to find something to taunt me over, you are attacking me for something I didn’t even say.

I am taunting you (and by extension everyone else) for what ya'all DIDN'T say..

Namely, no one here cared about Russian meddling in elections until THEIR candidate lost...

The very epitome of hypocrisy....

I also think you are off the mark if you think all the Democrats are still obsessing over their 2016 loss.

Two years of wasted time and over 30 million dollars in taxpayer money proves you wrong..

But by this point, Democrats are looking to 2020,

Yea??? And yet, everything has been about Trump's PAST..

What happened in the PAST...

So, that puts lie to the claim that Democrats are looking to 2020....

Unless you are conceding that Democrats are operating under the precepts of politics of personal destruction..

Is that what you are conceding??

CRS expresses disbelief that subliminal messaging caused Clinton to lose. I said, no way to know whether it caused her to lose, but meddling is happening, and it is a problem.

So you seem to suggest I only care about election meddling because I think it caused Hillary to lose.

But I said I have no clue if it caused her to lose. I said meddling is happening, and it is a problem. And I’m not even sure you disagree. You are trying so hard to find something to taunt me over, you are attacking me for something I didn’t even say.

I am not still sore about Clinton’s loss. How about that?

I would still care about election meddling, even if she won. I don’t disbelieve you when you say it was a problem before 2016. But I hadn’t heard about it before then. Presumably it was one of the many important issues ignored by media. And they dont just ignore stuff due to partisan bias. There is also a conflict bias. They want juicy stories with conflict in them, because that is more exciting.

I also think you are off the mark if you think all the Democrats are still obsessing over their 2016 loss. Oh, they still hate Trump, and he will continue to draw their ire as long as he is in power. But by this point, Democrats are looking to 2020, obsessing over their prospects to win this time. Same as with Republicans in 2015. Republicans took Romney’s 2012 loss pretty hard, but by 2015 they were looking to the future. It’s a stages of grief type thing.

So, what you are saying is that Silence ONLY gives assent when it's a Right Winger who is being silent..

The Left's silence does NOT give assent..

OK, I accept that as factual as it is what I have always suspected..

I won't bother pointing out that even though ya'all yelled and castigated Trump for being "silent" he really wasn't.. He condemned the racists and the nazis as voraciously as Left Wingers did..

But it was the Left Wingers who established that if Trump DID remain silent (which he didn't) that means that he was giving assent..

I also won't bother to point out that it was the Left Wingers and AntiFa terrorists who instigated the violence at Charlottesville, aided and abetted by Democrat so-called "leadershit"....

But that's a discussion for another time...

When the person in question has on multiple occasions retweeted white supremacists(including one with “white genocide” in their username), I don’t think it’s completely insane to read something into that person’s “silence” on Charlottesville. And anticipating your response, if retweeting a white supremacist was something that just happened once, I would dismiss it as accidental, and assume he didn’t know the person he retweeted was a white supremacist(though in the case of “@whitegenocideTM” I think it’s hard to make that case). But when it happens multiple times, you start wondering if he is following these people. It raises the question of whether the reason these people’s tweets show up in his feed, and the reason he chooses to retweet them is because he actually shares quite a few beliefs and attitudes in common with them. So then things like him hesitating to criticize David Duke(and seemingly denying knowing enough about the Ku Klux Klan to be willing to condemn them) start to look less like an innocent mistake or coincidence, and more like part of a pattern.

And he didn’t stay silent in Charlottesville for long, did he? We know what he thinks about the people at the Unite the Right rally. “Good people on both sides” pretty obviously implies that not all of the people shouting “Jews will not replace us” were bad people. That participation in that rally doesn’t preclude one from being a good person. Well, the President was sadly misinformed on that count. I have seen quite a bit of footage from the rally. You tuber “Shaun” has a video called “Charlottesville: the True Alt Right” analyzing the event, and it contains lots of footage from various Unite the Right attendees’ livestreams of the event, if anyone is interested(it’s a long video, but well worth watching IMO). Suffice it to say, the livestream footage is full of hate symbols and virulent racism.

So I think Trump’s behavior shows a pattern. In view of that, it seemis not unreasonable to perceive his silences as conveying a message of their own. Especially as President, since it is expected that presidents will comment on major political events such as the Unite the Right rally. When your political and social role creates an expectation that you will say something and you don’t, people are going to read into your silence. In fact, this is something that presidential PR teams are probably well aware of. Considering how... ahem.. outspoken Trump usually is, a silence becomes even more likely to be remarked upon.

Just as the US has also tried to interfere in other country's elections...

The **ONLY** reason ya'all care about THIS interference is because President Trump won..

Do you HONESTLY believe that Democrats would care about Russian interference if Hillary had won??

Do you HONESTLY believe that you people in this forum would be calling for investigations if President Trump had lost???

If you believe that then I have some real sweet swampland down here in FL I wanna sell you...

You do realize that Russians have tried to interfere in every election here in the US since Russia was the USSR and long before, right??

So, why is THIS interference so special to you??

Because Hillary Clinton lost..

THAT is your SOLE reason for the interest..

We wouldn't be hearing a THING about Russian influence in the election if Hillary had won..

What does this tell us??

It tells us beyond ANY doubt that this is NOTHING but a case of Sore Luser'ism...

That is ALL that this is about..

I don’t really understand why the very idea of it it so hard for you to believe. You are doubtless aware of the existence of advertising. A lot of advertising sends subliminal and subconscious messages. A funny thing is that everybody seems to believe that they themselves are immune to advertising, that it only works on other people. I think that is because we know on a rational level that(for example) a beautiful woman drinking a Coke in a commercial doesn’t mean it is a good product. But it still makes our subconscious want a Coke. Ads don’t only work on stupid people. They work on most everyone. This is why the advertising industry is a 200 billion dollar industry in the US alone. It works. And whether we are talking about selling Coca Cola or political ideas, the better they know their target, the more effective they are. If they know your fears, prejudices, aspirations, and political leanings they can manipulate you very effectively. Their manipulation becomes even more effective if it isn’t obvious that they are trying to sell you something. If you aren’t aware you are being given a pitch, your guard will be down. And then, if they aren’t bound by consumer protection laws that restrain advertisers(somewhat) from intentionally misleading or outright lying to you, the manipulation becomes even more effective.

So I think the Russians use some of the same techniques that advertising does. My understanding is that it’s even more effective because they create fake social media accounts to fool people into thinking they are engaging with a regular person who is politically like-minded. People are more willing to believe something if it comes from someone they perceive as an in-group member(“one of us”), especially if it corresponds to their general wordview(e.g. people are always willing to believe something terrible about a politician they already hate). Otherwise, they use typical propaganda techniques. Political propaganda has existed in various forms for a long time. I’m sure you wouldn’t deny it’s existence and effectiveness historically.

I also am not on Facebook. Never have been. It just seems boring and insipid to me. And to get to those parts that aren’t boring or insipid, it seems you have to sift through a lot that is. At least this is what I have observed from watching my significant other browse Facebook.

And he's the SAME Trump he was when he had a -D after his name..

Funny how Democrats LOVED him then, eh??

Trump was never going to be charged with “collusion”, so keep cheering his slogan all you want. Trump wasn’t charged for a crime that doesn’t exist in our legal system....congratulations!

And yet, ya'all have been screaming COLLUSION for the last almost 3 years..

Funny how you didn't concede in all that time that the crime doesn't exist..

I accept your concession that myself and CRS has been factually accurate all this time and you podunks have been doing nothing but spewing bullshit for the last two plus years...

On this point, I completely agree! Love DISQUS’ format!

"I know, right!"
-Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

:D

Yea, it's a great format.. Easy to navigate, easy to admin and a whole bunch of sweet features...

not only is silence not assent, that false conclusion its very own logical fallacy.

And yet, SILENCE IS ASSENT is **EXACTLY** what you people in here (by omission or commission) established during Charlottesville....

Funny how you can't (or won't) address this FACT...

However, if other's claims to the contrary actually have any validity, it further adds to my bragging rights for being (along with Chris), one of the "last two people in the world not on Facebook"!

the foreign power uses the info provided to them to effectively target voters with information warfare, including paper, phone, e-mail, social media, word-of-mouth, fabricated news stories, pretty much every form of communication out there. because they are not based domestically, our government has no ability to regulate their financing, nor is their activity constrained by domestic election laws that require a certain degree of truthfulness or transparency. their goal is not to change any particular voter's mind, but to motivate one side to vote and de-motivate the other side.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

OK, but what would the foreign power DO with all that info? Are you thinking Facebook related stuff? I doubt that any of that would really amount to anything.

I just watched somebody interview Noam Chomsky about his opinion of what if any effect the Russian meddling had on the outcome of 2016. His opion was essentially zero effect.

not only is silence not assent, that false conclusion its very own logical fallacy.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/57/Argument-from-Silence

OK, now I do understand. There is really no realistic viable way for a pres. to pay a foreign power to influence U.S. elections

If you believe that, then you obviously don't understand. Despite the fact that my hint was "follow the money," and it was your interpretation that this necessarily meant that the money in question would be flowing to a foreign national, I answered your additional question in utter amazement that in light of the national discourse of the moment you are at a loss for how it could be accomplished.

but you were unwilling to admit that, so you launched another of your ad hominems.

If you were looking for somebody to admit to the utterly asinine and nonsensical notion that "there is really no realistic viable way for 'any pres.' to pay a foreign power to influence U.S. elections," then what you're looking for is an ignorant rube. My suggestion would be to drive to downtown Podunk and find you a old guy approximately your own age... look for a red hat with white lettering.

Since you clearly and quite obviously can't think of a single way that a candidate for political office could interfere in U.S. elections, I merely suggested that you were living up to others' assessments of your intellect. You can't be completely ignorant if you understood my meaning; however, I submit that it's kind of self-evident that somebody who routinely refers to posters on this board in the manner that you do actually doesn't really have a problem with "ad hominems." And while we're on the topic of "ad hominems," if you can dish them out freely but you whine like a little child when somebody suggests you're living up to what other people say about you, then that makes you a snowflake of the highest order, but I digress.

Don't worry, I can easily understand how after you being SO wrong for SO long on the "collusion/conspiracy" insanity thing, that you would be out of sorts, and magnanimous guy that I am, I'm willing to make allowances.

Perhaps you have confused me with an ignorant old man.
I never worry. :)

if i were running for president and wanted to help a foreign power interfere in an election to my benefit, i'd share campaign information with them, such as voter profiles, registration data, oppo research on my opponent. i might also coordinate my campaign narrative with their government sponsored hackers and trolls, to have the maximum combined impact on voters. there are many types of information they could use to benefit me, which would also benefit themselves. if barr is right and mueller is saying that's definitely not what donald did, it's a great weight off our country's shoulders. an incompetent buffoon is par for the course in washington, a traitor is a horse of a different color.

JL

OK, now I do understand. There is really no realistic viable way for a pres. to pay a foreign power to influence U.S. elections, but you were unwilling to admit that, so you launched another of your ad hominems.

Don't worry, I can easily understand how after you being SO wrong for SO long on the "collusion/conspiracy" insanity thing, that you would be out of sorts, and magnanimous guy that I am, I'm willing to make allowances.

On this point, I completely agree! Love DISQUS’ format!

What say you??

Apologize for what? Your poor reading comprehension skills are more the fault of a poor education than they are mine to apologize for.

You can quote as many different media outlets reporting that there are no future indictments coming from the Mueller investigation, they all rely on the same source for that info — the Barr letter.

Forgive me for not being willing to put my full trust in a man who got his job because he fit the one requirement the president set as the criteria to be his Attorney General : someone willing to protect the president above all else.

Also, why would Mueller alert the White House of any unknown sealed indictments, if the purpose of sealing the indictment is so that once he is out of office, they can criminally charge the president for the crimes he committed while in office??? Trump would simply pardon everyone involved if he is fore-warned.

As for your comment on Smollets, he lied and accused people of crimes they never committed — no different than Trump. You pitch one of your “whataboutisms” of liberals being upset when a white woman intentionally wrongly accused men of color for taking her children, but weren’t you upset by her actions, as well? Or are you always willing to forgive whites who lie to get out of trouble? Jussie deserves the charges he is facing, as will Trump when he leaves office.

Michale, there is no doubt Trump is guilty of lots of things — the fool openly spouts confessions in his rants all the time. There might not be enough evidence to guarantee a conviction, but Trump is a traitor — that much a blind man can see. Just watch him cower in subservience to Putin at their press conference in Helsinki. That you champion a man who is so ethically and morally corrupt — a man who does nothing to help anyone but his own circle of cronies — simply out of your disdain for liberals is your damage.

Trump was never going to be charged with “collusion”, so keep cheering his slogan all you want. Trump wasn’t charged for a crime that doesn’t exist in our legal system....congratulations!

I would also remind people of the judge in Flynn’s sentencing who flat out questioned the prosecution whether or not they had considered charges of TREASON against Flynn!!!

Another good point.

For a federal judge to even suggest based on his reading of the evidence collected that charges of treason might be warranted is pretty huge. I will be surprised if this judge is as forgiving of Flynn as Manafort’s first sentencing judge was of him.

OSC recommendation for Flynn was no prison time due to his "substantial assistance."

Sorry, I don't follow. What money? You thinking the pres. would give money to the foreign power, and then what would the foreign power do with the money that would manipulate the election?

*laughs* Can you really not think of a single thing that a candidate could pay foreign nationals to do on their behalf? If you really can't, then you will have to concede that several posters on this board have been correct in their assessment about your intellect. :)

If you're thinking like buy Facebook advertising, why not he just buys the ads himself?

You said "any" president, Stucki, and I said nothing about Facebook so I have no idea why you're prattling on about that.

A president (any president, any party [your definition]) could "be involved in helping a foreign power manipulate our election(s)" in a myriad of ways. In light of the current national discourse, I shouldn't think it would be at all necessary to have to explain how that could be accomplished by "any" candidate.

I would also remind people of the judge in Flynn’s sentencing who flat out questioned the prosecution whether or not they had considered charges of TREASON against Flynn!!!

For a federal judge to even suggest based on his reading of the evidence collected that charges of treason might be warranted is pretty huge. I will be surprised if this judge is as forgiving of Flynn as Manafort’s first sentencing judge was of him.

None of which has NOTHING to do with the **FACT** that Mueller has completely exonerated President Trump when it comes to collusion with the Russians.

You can deflect and dodge all you want.. Just like you did with the NO FURTHER INDICTMENTS bullshit you spewed...

But the simple fact is, YOU LOST....

There was NO COLLUSION between the Trump Campaign and the Russians..

You banked your ENTIRE existence on that and you came up holding your dick in your hand and nothing else.. :D

Dodge and deflect all you want..

But FACTS are facts...

You lost...

I would also remind people of the judge in Flynn’s sentencing who flat out questioned the prosecution whether or not they had considered charges of TREASON against Flynn!!!

The judge later apologized for asking that in open court, but that does not mean the content of his question was invalid — it was simply not his place nor the right time to raise it.

For a federal judge to even suggest based on his reading of the evidence collected that charges of treason might be warranted is pretty huge. I will be surprised if this judge is as forgiving of Flynn as Manafort’s first sentencing judge was of him.

Sorry, I don't follow. What money? You thinking the pres. would give money to the foreign power, and then what would the foreign power do with the money that would manipulate the election?

If you're thinking like buy Facebook advertising, why not he just buys the ads himself?

Follow the money. :)

Help me out here. I'm curious as to exactly what mechanism in your opinion "a president" (any pres., any party) who actually desired to "be involved in helping a foreign power manipulate our election(s)" would pursue to accomplish that goal?

In fact, give me your best idea(s) for what I could do, if I wanted to "assist a foreign government in manipulating our election(s)?

Ya'all have been hysterically spewing TRUMP!!!! RUSSIA!!!! COLLUSION!!!" for the better part of THREE FRAK'IN YEARS!!!

And now Mueller, **YA'ALL'S** chosen champion, has told you in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS... NO COLLUSION...

There is simply NO WAY ya'all can spin that or equivocate that to mean anything but a complete, utter and unmitigated DISASTER for ya'all and yer fake reality...

YOU LOST....

It's REALLY that simple...

NOTHING will insure a President Trump landslide re-election more than ya'all going on and on about Trump investigations..

Ya'all had yer shot.. You failed.. AGAIN..

By all means.. Continue to wallow in the morass and mire of Luserdom....

And not ONE of those investigations has to do with Colluding With Russia to Win The Election..

You lost, Balthy..

You just don't have the integrity to admit it..

Sorry, JL.. But you are wrong..

You people here and Democrats all over the country made the rule at Charlottesville..

Silence DOES give assent..

hopefully barr is right though. it would really suck for our country if it turned out the president had been directly involved in helping a foreign power manipulate our elections. i

The question to that has been answered by Robert Mueller..

NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT COLLUSION...

hopefully barr is right though. it would really suck for our country if it turned out the president had been directly involved in helping a foreign power manipulate our elections. i

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Great points, and I would simply add another point to ponder in the form of a question:

Do you think Robert S. Mueller III or the Department of Justice recommends soft sentences to felons in exchange for a proffer of nothing? :)

Funny, the way that Democrats just WON'T take the word of one Trump appointee of how the Mueller investigation went. Wonder why that is?

At this point, there are multiple investigations beginning, stacked up like planes waiting to leave LaGuardia. This is just one of them.

Bide your time well, little one. Lots more to come...

No American — not a single one — took the Russian bait. And that includes every member of the Trump campaign.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/24/we-should-all-be-celebrating-the-collapse-of-hillarys-big-lie/

Justice doesn't get any sweeter than this.... :D

Michael Avenatti under arrest, charged with extortion, prosecutors say
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michael-avenatti-under-arrest-charged-extortion-prosecutors-172005794--abc-news-topstories.html

The hits just KEEP ON COMING...

The one time hero of the Party, the Trump-Slayer goes down in flames!!!

Could this day get ANY better for the country and for President Trump!!?? :D

Exactly.....

As I said.. I am ALL for releasing the full Mueller report...

What ever keeps Democrats focused on this hoax to the exclusion of all else will only be good for President Trump, the GOP and this country...

Yes... yes it does..

It tells the world that you hysterical Trump/America haters simply CAN'T admit to the facts...

If Barr had mis-characterized Mueller's report, you can bet that Mueller would set the record straight.. He has done that before..

So, Mueller's silence means Barr is dead on ballz accurate with his summary.

And you unable to accept reality and facts means you wouldn't accept ANYTHING that is contrary to your delusions..

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Thanks

16. Mic Claims Russian Spy Infiltrated The Oval
https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/media-russia-collusion-mueller-report-fake-news/

Quite a list of all the Media bullshit in conjunction with the Russia Collusion hoax...

Now, some deniers might say, "Oh these were honest mistakes.."

If these were HONEST mistakes then some would go against Trump and some would go FOR Trump..

But these "honest mistakes" all went towards a single solitary agenda... Thereby proving that these weren't mistakes but rather targeted and specific bullshit designed to push a bullshit agenda..

Apologies all the way around.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/435552-apologies-to-president-trump

And apologies to CW.. I know that you are not thrilled with large postings copied verbatim from the web into here..

But I felt, given the seriousness of the situation and the gross and heinous nature of the transgressions committed against President Trump...

I felt that such a mea culpa deserved a verbatim airing...

Apologies if you feel otherwise.. Feel free to delete or curtail the comment... I would understand..

NewsWhip, a social-media analytics company, whipped up this astonishing data for Axios' Neal Rothschild:

Those generated 245 million interactions (likes, comments and shares) on Twitter and Facebook.
Be smart: Now, think of how much cable time the coverage consumed.
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-am-57b5b5c6-65c5-4278-b450-9cb63bbe3f3f.html?chunk=1#story1

"No one" has been talking about Trump and Russia and Collusion... :eyeroll:

See what I mean about Democrats altering basic facts and reality to conform with their delusions??

Spot on..

And THAT is the Democrat Party's inherent weakness..

The inability to recognize their own fallibility...

Like most everyone here, they simply CAN'T conceive ANY possibility that they are wrong..

As a result, they go to greater and greater lengths to change the facts and change reality...

JL and I had discussed this vis a vis GOP vs Dem..

He clearly wanted to put more blame on the Right, but the FACTS clearly show that it's the Left who is far more delusional and far more willing to ignore facts and to twist reality to be more palatable to their delusions..

This entire sad debacle that is Mueller has proven that as fact beyond ANY doubt...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c1f544ea7b54a58eeb922b13ed887fee999c194c40e07aed62a98eda2ef6593.jpg

Yea.. Something that me and CRS has been telling you Trump/America haters for the last 2+ years..

Glad you finally got over your DENSE and utterly moronic position and see the FACTS..

I accept your concession...

The strategy poses risks for the Democrats, particularly if voters prove tired of talk of investigating Trump now that Mueller has completed his work. In addition, the probes could overshadow their agenda, particularly on issues like health care that helped the party take back the House in 2018. Read more from Billy House.

As I said...

Democrat's "PLAN B" is to double down on their own stoopidity....

That’s a distinction without a difference in the Oval Office, where Trump’s absolution in the inquiry reinforces his political brand, long rooted in personal grievance and his depiction of himself as a victimized outsider. Justin Sink has more on what the report means for Trump.
https://about.bgov.com/news/what-to-know-in-washington-new-day-for-trump-after-mueller-report/

Democrats are playing true to form..

Just like they could not concede that President Trump won the election fairly, freely and legally... NOW they can't concede that their OWN chosen hero with a CHOSEN group of Trump/America haters, could not find a SINGLE fact to support collusion, even though they had unlimited resources and unlimited time..

The Democrats are toast in 2020 unless they get their shit together and move forward past this..

But ya'all know that Democrats won't do this..

They have too much of their souls invested in their own wet dream..

WAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA RUSSIA!!!! COLLUSION!!!! WAAAAAAa WAAAAAAAA TRUMP IS A MEANIE!!! WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA TRUMP!!! COLLUSION!!! RUSSIA!!! WAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAA....

"In a letter to key members of Congress, the top Justice Department official said Mueller wrote that the report "does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." For the more dense, simply put, collusion isn't a crime, ego you can't be guilty of it.

Here's something I thought interesting, and will further the narrative of Trump being a Ruskie shill if he tries to follow the Kremlin's lead...which we all know he will... "Two years of unceasing lies. Two years of the highest-level policy built on the allegation of collusion. A conspiracy explaining the allegedly pro-Russian position of Trump, because of which he was essentially forced to impose more and more stringent measures against our country." and "That is why two years were not just lost for Russian-American relations, but simply crushing for them. Someone will answer for this damage? apologize? Someone will adjust something?" Kosachev added.

Yes my little commie friend...Trump, your fucking shill, that's who will do what you wanted from the beginning, the reason you put him there, he will unseal your bank accounts and rid you of your sanctions...

LL&P

hehe

I agree.... Release the whole damn report..

Let hysterical Trump/America haters pour over it, nitpick and spin it to death...

The longer the Left tries to re-fight this battle that is already lost, the worse it will be in 2020 for Democrats..

If President Trump really wanted to frak with Trump/America haters, he would piecemeal the release out.. Stretch it out over a years time....

Show the American people exactly what Dumbocrats are all about... :D

CW, have you ever considered changing the format here to a DISQUS format??

It's an awesome package that allows time-limit editing of comments, in-line photos and videos and is VERY well formatted for these kinds of discussions..

It's admin and moderation functions are also very easy and quite intuitive...

Might be something to check out...

Just a thought..

No.. What you had was someone thoroughly disgusted with ya'all's defense of a woman who, as a college adult, loved to attend high school parties where children were drugged and raped..

But the chance to rub ya'all's face in the FACTS and reality was greater than my disgust of ya'all...

The Investigation of Trump is far from over. If Trump was innocent, why did he tell so many lies? The truth wasn't good enough?

President Trump **DID** tell the truth... There was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians.

But ya'all chose to believe the lies and the bullshit of your fellow Trump/America haters..

And you have been proven a FOOL for doing so..

Suck it...

You've earned it..

What we have here is a Sunshine Superpatriot. When the going gets easy THIS "tough" gets going.

The Investigation of Trump is far from over. If Trump was innocent, why did he tell so many lies? The truth wasn't good enough?

Voters may feel the special counsel has spoken and it’s time to move on — just as Trump's 2020 campaign begins in earnest.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-apos-told-moment-rattles-102002900.html

As I said... Democrats continue to obsess over Russia Collusion do so at their own risk..

It's over.. Democrats lost...

Move on or be trampled by those looking towards the future...

It's that simple..

Doesn't Mueller's lack of contest of the summary provide the same confirmation albeit indirectly??

I'm curious why you asked about that and not why I'd feel relief.

I am sure there will be no relief, regardless.. :D

Especially for the purposes of this particular discussion. An entire dimension cutting across the political spectrum is based on the divide between traditional and "alternative" views regarding fact/myth

Considering what the Left has just proven beyond any doubt, it's impossible to put the blame for "fact/myth" solely or even mostly at the feet of the right..

The climate changing issue is simply an extension of the suspension of reality and belief in FACTS that has been PROVEN the Left suffers from.....

Really there are now about four different political axes that divide wing from wing. I'll get into that after work.

I look forward to that...

Me?? I'll be busy in Hope County, Montana... There's a new dawn... :D

Especially for the purposes of this particular discussion. An entire dimension cutting across the political spectrum is based on the divide between traditional and "alternative" views regarding fact/myth

It would provide direct confirmation, partially refute or fully refute the conclusions of that summary. Personally I'm curious why you asked about that and not why I'd feel relief.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/NINTCHDBPICT000477487444.jpg?w=960

I love horses... :D

So don't play coy. Your guy got in there first. Now there's gonna be a fight to see the rest, and surely, they'll say, "That doesn't count" and we'll fight about that.

I am not sure what you are trying to say here...

Please clarify...

You and I know that there's just one way to get rid of Trump. See you in 2020.

***NOW*** you know that..

It's a shame you didn't realize that BEFORE you got hysterical about nullifying a free, fair and legal election and supporting a witch hunt that wasted almost 3 years and spent 30 million + in taxpayer money..

As for 2020, if Democrats can't move on from trying to nullify a free, fair and legal election....

You will be just as disappointed in Nov of 2020 as you were in Nov of 2016 and Mar of 2019....

I'd say that's true..you think so, else you wouldn't be back. Fox thinks so, else they'd wait for another shoe to drop, and Barr thinks so.

So don't play coy. Your guy got in there first. Now there's gonna be a fight to see the rest, and surely, they'll say, "That doesn't count" and we'll fight about that.

You and I know that there's just one way to get rid of Trump. See you in 2020.

How would that change the meaning of the AG's summary??

I mean, if Mueller says UP, would reading the rest of the report show that Mueller said DOWN...??

Or is it your belief that AG Barr is lying??

If so, what would that belief be based on??

The undesirable outcome???

I am not being snooty (well, not MUCH... :D) I am sincerely curious...

Do you think Barr lied and that Mueller's report doesn't say what Barr said it says?? I mean, AG Barr was pretty distinct and clear. No ambiguity at all..

Do you think that Mueller would remain silent if AG Barr mis-characterized the report??

In absence of Mueller correcting Barr, I think you have to accept as fact that the report says exactly what AG Barr said it says...

Anything else and you seem to be holding out hope that the report says what you want it to say..

yes, but not equally. the left has plenty of its own delusions just as the right does, but to my knowledge no explicit "alternative facts." as long as you guys can't process stuff like climate science or media fact-checking, i'm not going to buy into talk of equivalence.

Climate science is a discussion for another time...

As to Media Fact Checking??

WHAT Media **Fact** Checking are you referring to??

See the comments above about how the Media, aided and abetted by the Left, totally and utterly scrooed the pooch over the Mueller saga...

"Media Fact Checking" vis a vis the Mueller saga PROVES that the Left is as equally guilty of "alternate facts" as you think the Right is..

also, there are now a few distinct additional sides beyond just "left" and "right."

Not for the purposes of this particular discussion...

When it comes to the Left's debacle over Mueller, there are really no non-combatants..

Perfect...

Sums up the Left PERFECTLY.....

reading all the pertinent sections mueller's actual report, rather than just the AG's comments on it.

And would you say that there is blame on BOTH sides for this sad and sorry state of affairs??

yes, but not equally. the left has plenty of its own delusions just as the right does, but to my knowledge no explicit "alternative facts." as long as you guys can't process stuff like climate science or media fact-checking, i'm not going to buy into talk of equivalence.

also, there are now a few distinct additional sides beyond just "left" and "right."

JL

Nothing the MSM ever says about Trump will be believed by any logical or rational person..

The MSM set the narrative for what "really" happened with the Trump campaign and the Russians..

The MSM was as wrong as wrong can be...

The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like itself made galactic errors by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

Good advice..

Just stop.... The Left, the hysterical Trump/America haters will just make things worse.. Make them look even more sad and pathetic than they do right now..

Just stop... Ya'all lost... Go back, lick your wounds and contemplate on how bad ya'all have lost...

THAT is the best course of action for the Trump/America haters...

Let's see if they have the wisdom to do that....

I am guessing they won't.. They will double down on stoopid...

This is a damning page one admission by the Times. Despite the connect-the-dots graphic in its other story, and despite the astonishing, emotion-laden editorial the paper also ran suggesting “We don’t need to read the Mueller report” because we know Trump is guilty, Baker at least began the work of preparing Times readers for a hard question: “Have journalists connected too many dots that do not really add up?”
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million?

Connected a LOT of dots that just didn't add up...

That is the defining statement of Democrats and their sad and pathetic pursuit of something that just wasn't there...

Ya'all WANTED it to be true.. So it became ya'all's truth... Ya'all's ONLY truth...

Thereby proving beyond a doubt that there is, indeed, a difference between TRUTH and FACT..

Ya'all had TRUTH... YOUR Truth...

But the FACTS were completely and utterly different..

"THEIR TRUTH IS NOT YOUR TRUTH!!!"
-Oracle Of Yonada, STAR TREK

As Russia collusion fades, Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges

Ukraine’s top prosecutor divulged in an interview aired Wednesday on Hill.TV that he has opened an investigation into whether his country’s law enforcement apparatus intentionally leaked financial records during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in an effort to sway the election in favor of Hillary Clinton.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435029-as-russia-collusion-fades-ukrainian-plot-to-help-clinton-emerges

I am sure ya'all will pursue this abhorrent and heinous instance of a presidential candidate getting campaign help from a foreign power as diligently and as hysterically as ya'all pursued President Trump..

Right??? I mean, THAT is what people of integrity and honesty do...

RIGHT????

I look forward to reading ALL of ya'all's hundreds and thousands of comments voraciously condemning Hillary for her collusion with a foreign power to win an election...

How that announcement must have stung the NeverTrump fraternity. Here they were, huddled around Bill Kristol’s Twitter feed for the last two-plus years, praying, predicting, posturing that very soon now, any day in fact, Robert Mueller would descend into their midst, the deus ex machina through whose instrumentality they were to be delivered at long last from the nightmare of Donald Trump and his unacceptable record of robust economic growth, hundreds of constitutionally-minded judicial appointments, rising wages, historically low unemployment, a more rational and business-friendly regulatory environment, deeper ties with Israel, a revitalized military, and serious attention to our immigration crisis and the growing threat of an increasing militant China. Yes, it’s been a bad couple of years for the NeverTrumpers.
https://spectator.us/undo-2016-election-mueller/

It's almost tempting (not really) to feel sorry for the Trump/America haters...

Ya'all invested SOOO much of yer heart and souls into Robert Mueller and now ya'all have absolutely NOTHING to show for it, save a bruised ego, even more pent up hysterical hatred and a mouthy commenter who loves to gloat..

Well, ya'all can't say you weren't warned.. I told ya'all time and time again that, when Mueller came up with nothing, ya'all would hear about it.. Incessantly..

And here we are... :D

If Democrats continue to look backward at the 2016 election and cry foul, it will seriously hurt their electability in 2020 and create the conditions for Trump’s reelection.

By all means, Demcorats...

Double down on stoopid.....

Put President Trump back in the White House in a landslide election...

Hand over the House to the GOP....

Give the GOP a filibuster proof majority in the Senate..

Double down on stoopid.. I DARE you!

It is hard to overstate how positive of an impact this has for the president’s 2020 reelection campaign.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435459-end-of-mueller-probe-a-boost-for-trump-a-warning-for-democrats

Yes, this is indeed a warning for Democrats..

A warning not to pursue the reckless and bullshit agenda of trying to nullify a free, fair and legal election..

The only question that remains is will Democrats heed the warning??

Or will they double down on stoopid...

I think we ALL know the answer to that question...

Ya'all Democrats have too much of yer collective SOULS invested in this agenda..

Doubling down on stoopid is ya'all's ONLY course of action...

Bombshells! Treason! Impeachment! Prison!
https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-dems-media-predict-mueller-probe-results-impeachme

When all is said and done...

Democrats are nothing but a bunch of 911 Truthers...

Let me be clear, I CONCEDE NOTHING! If #MuellerReport didn’t look into Trump’s business ties with the Russians before the elections and didn’t look into his secret meetings with them after the election, then this is an epic debacle that looked into the exact wrong things.
-Cenk Uygur

Exactly as I predicted would happen..

If Democrats didn't get the results they wanted, they would tar and feather their "hero", Robert Mueller...

Gods, it's really tough being factually accurate all the time..

The report does not recommend any further indictments, nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments that have yet to be made public.
-Barr Report

Don't you have an apology you want to render???

Don't you have a concession you need to make???

That is what a person of integrity does...

What say you??

https://twitter.com/i/status/1110006831286571008

Will we see Democrats concede they were wrong???

Judging from what we see in here (with a couple notable exceptions) that represents the Democrat way of thinking.......

Probably not...

Good @WashingtonPost article on the reckoning that major parts of the US media owe the public for the historically humiliating role they eagerly played in misleading millions of people for 2+ years
-Glenn Greenwald

It's not only the Democrats and hysterical Trump/America haters who are being frog-marched to justice..

It's also it's propaganda arm, the Mainstream Media...

Could this day get ANY better???! :D

I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO problem with the full release of the Mueller Witch Hunt..

Will simply give me more FACTS to pound into... :D

I mean, look what I was able to do with the summary...

JUST THINK how many comments I could get out of the entire witch hunt report... :D

Surprised that you think he did anything wrong — he lied to authorities for self-serving reasons. Duh! He’s black and gay! But I am sure that isn’t why you think what he did is different from what Trump does all the time!

That he lied was not his crime..

He tried to indict a large group of people for a crime that wasn't even committed..

You remember how you Lefties were so up in arms and hysterical when Susan Smith blamed a black man for car jacking her and kidnapping her two children..

Smollets did the EXACT same thing..

Funny how you Lefties in here didn't condemn Smollets, eh??

Also, does Trump still believe that the Mueller investigation was tainted since it was led by a man who was not elected? Or does he think Mueller was a trustworthy individual, now that Trump is happy with the findings? Which reality bubble does Trump want us to believe in today?

Trying to deflect and dodge again..

You were WRONG... But, as usual, it's all about Trump..

You cannot concede you were wrong..

Just like you were wrong when you questioned my NO MORE INDICTMENTS claim..

You were wrong then as well..

You have always been wrong..

When it comes to President Trump, you will always be wrong...

It's THAT simple..

well, at the moment it appears that russian electioneering in 2016 was done without donald's knowledge or cooperation. i for one will be relieved if it is confirmed that at least that much is the case.

What would it take for you to have confirmation??

I mean, apparently, a massive almost 3 year witch hunt by a HIGHLY motivated group of political partisans couldn't find a SINGLE iota of a fact to prove collusion with the Russians to win the election..

THAT is not "confirmation"???

So, what WOULD be??

the biggest tragedy in all this is the entire country has suffered a loss of a common reality based on the same facts. or even a common understanding of what facts ARE.

And would you say that there is blame on BOTH sides for this sad and sorry state of affairs??

I mean, I am ready and willing to acknowledge the Right's responsibility..

Are you ready and willing to do the same for the Left???

the biggest tragedy in all this is the entire country has suffered a loss of a common reality based on the same facts. or even a common understanding of what facts ARE.

The entire country!?

Nah. :)

Bill Barr wrote a memo... about what we'd expect from him if we knew his history, and we do.

The Barr memo is the new "Nunes memo." :)

yes, donald still seems to have been involved in corruption, bribery, fraud, money laundering, hiring shady characters to play dirty political games, using charitable foundations as personal slush funds, etc, etc... but that's been the norm in washington for over a century. yes, he ran on a promise to get rid of that stuff, then turned around and did it bigger and bolder. but then, hypocrisy in washington has also been the norm for just as long. he's fitting in famously.

JL

Re: "Tough break pro Trumpers. ."

Curious, could your specify please, who are those people?

Great post from you. Two full days to put a happy spin on a still secret report is not exactly the same as exoneration. From what has been released, the findings seem to be a mix of one part insufficient evidence and one part decline to recommend prosecution on account of executive priviledge. The investigations that Mueller spun off cannot be reeled back and will likely dog Trump until his dying day.

Even by stacking the deck and raiding the game, Trump could not get his own appointees to exonerate him and his gang.

Tough break, pro-Trumpers...next time, don't put all your eggs in the same basket-case.

Obviously, the next discussion to be had is...When will the report, in its entirety, become available...the American people deserve to know the depths to which Trump and his henchmen went to rule out unequivocal acquittal…

For shame, GOP, for shame...

LL&P

Anyone wanna talk about Jussie Smollets???

Surprised that you think he did anything wrong — he lied to authorities for self-serving reasons. Duh! He’s black and gay! But I am sure that isn’t why you think what he did is different from what Trump does all the time!

Also, does Trump still believe that the Mueller investigation was tainted since it was led by a man who was not elected? Or does he think Mueller was a trustworthy individual, now that Trump is happy with the findings? Which reality bubble does Trump want us to believe in today?

Thank you, I appreciate that. It is almost comical how overly thrilled Trumpstumps are about the letter (from a man who only was hired after he wrote a 17 page letter stating how he would protect Trump from the Mueller investigation) from our Attorney General (a position that Trump had only one criteria for — willingness to protect Trump from the Russia investigation) claiming that Mueller had cleared Trump of any wrong-doing.

I am pretty sure if we checked the metadata on the letter Barr sent saying Mueller cleared Trump, we’d see that it was actually created prior to his being appointed AG.

I want a bumper sticker made that says:

NO COLLUSION!!!!
(Other than Manafort giving polling data to the Russians, Trump asking the Russians to go after Clinton’s emails during a press conference, the meeting at Trump Tower of Terrorist’s with Don Jr., Roger Stone’s seeking the release of the hacked emails from the DNC, Kushner seeking a “backdoor” line of communication with Putin with the Russian embassy, and God knows how many other ones I am leaving out because you can only get so many words to fit on a bumper sticker!)

Here’s the funniest thing in all of this: The Mueller investigation and all of the other investigations that resulted from it all came about because Trump and all of the people involved in his campaign LIED about their contacts with Russia — contacts that weren’t illegal!!!

Think about it, ALL of the investigations stem from Trump lying about something he did not need to lie about!!! The genius destroyed his own empire and ruined his presidency lying about something that wasn’t worth lying about! If Mueller’s report is being accurately depicted by Barr, then this actually makes Trump look like the biggest idiot of all time!

Enjoy your Sunday!

Russ

If that is the case, then there should be no problem with a complete release of the Mueller Report tomorrow then.

Right right?