Comments on: Could California Republicans Help Elect A Liberal?

By: TheStig

TheStig — Sat, 20 Oct 2018 01:53:13 +0000

ny22

I don't consider you a crank or a troll. I think the Wikipedia definitions of the two are excellent.

"Cranks characteristically dismiss all evidence or arguments which contradict their own unconventional beliefs, making any rational debate a futile task and rendering them impervious to facts, evidence, and rational inference."

A troll is "a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain." - Wikipedia

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 22:35:26 +0000

@ts,

Well i hope you don't lump me in either of those categories, pie notwithstanding. I guess those who aren't regulars don't get the context.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:23:46 +0000

Paula
22

Yes! :)

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 20:45:34 +0000

Don Harris 10 PIE is the new official nickname of One Demand, so when other commenters here say you should write aboot pie they are saying you should write aboot One Demand. No, it most certainly is not, and furthermore:

You don't get to define other people's choices to fit your desires. ~ Don Harris

So listen to Kick, Nypoet, Liz and the other pie enthusiasts and write aboot One Demand. Yes, please listen to Kick and write about whatever your heart desires, but know this: The day you write about One Demand after being trolled incessantly to do so is the day I question your sagacity. :)

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:59:21 +0000

Here's an article worth reading, sorta on that same topic: You Think The GOP Is Extreme Now? It’ll Be Worse If They Win In November.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:38:46 +0000

Paula [22] You can always tell when a Republican is losing an argument, because out pops the false equivalence argument (that both sides are equally bad). It's a fallback position, an undisguised appeal to hipsters, pseudo-leftists, and independents looking for an excuse Not to vote for Democrats.

The problem with that argument is that it's so demonstrably false in the age of Trump. Republicans are flat out against affordable health care - as they've proven with both words and votes. As Rachel pointed out last night, Scott Walker (R-WI) has taken to the airwaves to assert that he's FOR popular provisions of Obamacare, while simultaneously suing the federal government to abolish those same provisions. Liar, liar, Governorship on fire!

By: TheStig

TheStig — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:38:55 +0000

I believe in freedom of speech....I also believe in the right to be left alone.

No oxen are gored by my policy.

By: TheStig

TheStig — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:29:42 +0000

NY22-21

I participate because of the vast majority of CW.com correspondents, regulars, or not so regulars, who aren't cranks or trolls.

By: Paula

Paula — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:03:54 +0000

Steve Benen does another shoot-down of the familiar: Dems-don't-have-a-message complaint. That's false, but it get's trumpeted a lot - in this case by rape-supporting perjury-excusing cover-up-assisting Republian Ben Sasse who wants to "both sides do it" in order to avoid having to admit he's on the side with the bad guys and constantly helps them with his votes.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-democrats-election-message-clear-and-its-not-about-trump

Those who continue to believe Dems are pushing nothing more than a hollow, anti-Trump message aren’t paying close enough attention.

In fact, by all appearances, Democratic officials decided early on that the key to success was a more policy-focused platform that had very little to do with the president.

“Our candidates don’t have to talk about him, because he’s going to talk about himself for us,” DCCC Chairman Ben Ray Lujan (N.M.) said several weeks ago. “He’ll remind the American people of every investigation he’s involved with, of every disgusting tweet that is out there, of all the positions the Trump administration has taken.”

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:48:59 +0000

@ts
If you're only going to read the comments you approve of, why bother participating at all?

@lharvey,
Stick around awhile and you'll understand.

By: TheStig

TheStig — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:57:58 +0000

Iharvey18 and 19

"nypoet22 + don harris = cramped scrolling wheel FINGER."

The scrolling problem is actually minimal compared to a few months ago. If you want to save scrolling finger check out the Sept 21, 2016 column, comment 62 in the archives section. Download the tamper monkey script. It lets you block (and unblock)selected personae.

By: lharvey16

lharvey16 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:44:53 +0000

[18]
sorry, i meant "nypoet22 + don harris = cramped scrolling wheel FINGER.
great column as always CW

By: lharvey16

lharvey16 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:43:19 +0000

nypoet22 + don harris = cramped scrolling wheel.
great column as always CW

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:22:40 +0000

Plus, membership includes a subscription to "Pie Times!"

http://www.piecouncil.org/Newsletter

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:20:48 +0000

@don,

oh it's been proven many times over. just look at the pie council web site, there's last year's winners, invitation to the next pie championships in 2019, recent media releases and press kit, membership form and other upcoming events. for example:

Day and Night of Pie - Macomb, IL, Friday, November 10th at 4:00PM, The Old Bailey House, 100 S. Campbell St., Macomb, IL.

that's the kind of dedication and effort that proves the time is right for pie to take the country by storm.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:05:57 +0000

@CW,

also please note that i've changed my profile link to the american pie council, so you can find out more about pie just by clicking on my name. Isn't that a convenient way for you to learn more about everyone's favorite dessert food?

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:01:01 +0000

No, not some lame acronym for pie, ACTUAL pie! 80% of the american population likes pie, and yet only 50% vote. If non-voters knew that a candidate supports pie then they would start voting, but only for pie-friendly candidates. It will take a brave journalist/blogger to break the silence and give pie a chance.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:00:39 +0000

@kick [1],

yes, perhaps it was an honest mistake. maybe he did really mean, "de lemon pie." how about it CW, care to clarify?

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:59:24 +0000

@cw,

it's very irresponsible of you as a supposedly reality based journalist to write about some provincial election while still refusing to run even one column on the potential political merits of pie.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 07:57:42 +0000

Mezzomamma
2

(Sorry to be a party pooper, guys, but I take this voting thing seriously and need to put my ballot in the mail soon.)

Hey, just for the record, I'll be voting on Monday in 3 days and also loaning my SUV that seats 8 in order to drive people to the polls. The absolute last thing I'll be doing is encouraging anyone to throw away their vote. :)

By: Mezzomamma

Mezzomamma — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:28:19 +0000

Chris, how do you evaluate De León's effectiveness as a legislator? I've read a comment that suggests he hasn't been very successful at getting the policies he advocates into law, but that could be obstruction by others rather than personal effectiveness.

I might add that I am pleased to see that my California ballot is a lot less white male at all levels than it was when I first voted about 50 years ago.

(Sorry to be a party pooper, guys, but I take this voting thing seriously and need to put my ballot in the mail soon.)

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 00:40:20 +0000

If half of the voters who are now sitting out the race do decide to cast a ballot for De León, he will be the surprise victor. What's this? You're oh so very close, but you spelled it wrong CW. It's not De León... it's Don Lemon, and you write his name in on your ballot. Also, you left out the part about lemonade and/or lemon pie. What are y'all smoking out there in California? The whole bloody thing is non compos mentis. :)