Can't be treu 'cause I never make arrers, right?

Wrong! :)

OK, I'm givin' you credit for good intentions, but all that technicla stuff just doesn't work for people my age.

I don't know about "technicla" stuff, but technical stuff isn't in everyone's wheelhouse. ;)

I have this theory that we're all good at something, and I would wager your expertise lies in gardening and making things grow. I would additionally wager that you have one hell of a stellar garden. My grandfather had a huge garden wherein he grew just about "everything under the sun," even peanuts.

I don't ever do long quotes, so if I mis-type a single letter in transcribing a short quote, particularly if it doesn't affect the sense of the original, you may just have to endure it.

Enduring you is what we all do, Stucki, am I right? ;)

Just so you know, I meant that in a nice way. :)

Can't be treu 'cause I never make arrers, right?

P.S. That's "don't give a damn" as in, 'it doesn't matter to "I"'!!!

Stucki, you are the Weigantian poster boy for spelling and grammar mistakes mattering... unless, of course, they are your own errors. :)

Actually it is fairly hard to "cut and paste" if you don't know how, don't have anybody to teach you, and particularly if you don't give a damn!!!!!

Well, we all know you have a keyboard and an Internet connection, am I right? So you obviously have a way of finding this out. No offense is meant by this, Stucki, but if you're going to quote somebody incorrectly while continually whining about the mistakes of others, you should probably "give a damn" unless you're a hypocrite.

There is more than one way to "copy and paste," but the simplest way to teach you via blog post is to utilize the "Ctrl" key along with several others that are notably located at the bottom left on a standard QWERTY keyboard: Z... X... C... V.

Highlight using your mouse the relevant text you wish to copy then simultaneously select the following keys to copy and paste:

Ctrl + C = Copy
Ctrl + V = Paste

Similarly, if you wish to remove text from one place and move it in another, highlight the relevant text:

Ctrl + X = Cut
Ctrl + V = Paste

If you make a mistake and wish to "undo" the actions you've just performed:

Ctrl + Z = Undo

You can invoke "undo" multiple times as needed in order to correct your keystrokes.

Hope this helps you. :)

"... No time to spend with.. 'I' and several others.." From the person who corrects my spelling!

Poor Stucki with yet another trolling post not related to political issues; he must really be one lonely old man who got his "feelers" hurt by having his word usage corrected.

As I said before, old man, I only corrected your usage of the phrase "want to do" to "wont to do" in your obvious misuse of a word because you were trolling my posts for spelling so I returned the "favor" to let you know you misused a word. You enjoy trolling only certain posters regarding spelling in the same manner that Elizabeth Miller trolls only certain posters as if she is their mother and/or the board police.

Have a nice day old man, and remember that hayseeds in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ;)

p.s. Regarding ONLY your first post on this page ALONE

[2] ** (Trump) should be in brackets rather than parentheses. Brackets are used when you insert words into a quote.

** What does it actually MEAN when anybody says "Russia attacked out election system": Should be our election system; you have misquoted the author. How hard is it to cut and paste without screwing it up?

** !!: Duplicate punctuation.

** NOBODY switched votes from Sanders to Trump because Sanders got cheated - that's prima fascia ridiculous!: It's even more terminally ridiculous to claim that out of 60+ million voters, you make this type of asinine claim regarding all of them.

** Basiclly: You omitted a vowel there, Stucki. You obviously suck at spelling.

** 'scandal': Should be in quotes.

** 'impossible': Should be in quotes.

** 2: You used a parenthesis after your item "1)" yet omitted it for your item "2." Pick a format.

Shall I address the ignorance in the remaining approximately dozen of your posts on this page alone? Are you that effing lonely for a response from me? :D

You should be here to express your political opinions in a civil and intelligent manner and you should care whether you are here to uphold the standards set out in Chris's blog.

You should let it sink in that you're not the arbiter or what is acceptable on "Chris's blog." He already said he didn't have a problem with Paula's verbiage regarding Mr. Kennedy, and he stated unequivocally and in no uncertain terms regarding what he considered unacceptable.

If you are not here to do that, then you probably shouldn't be here at all.

If you are here to admonish posters to comment to suit your personal tastes or not "be here at all," then perhaps you're not concerned about the best interests of the author at all. :)

Kick, if you can't understand any of this, then I have no more time to spend on this with you.

Who couldn't guess that "Limited Liz" would use her oft repeated line that someone doesn't understand her elementary and repetitive drivel that she has no time to waste on other posters? Very lame, Liz.

You've already stated on multiple occasions that you don't have time to spend with Paula or I and several other posters on this board; however, there is ample evidence contained herein that proves overwise. The last time you stated you didn't have "time to spend" on me, I believe I said "oh, good" and asked that you bestow Paula with equal amounts of your limited time.

We live for the day when you "have no more time to spend" on either us or your obsession with board policing. :)

… but I'm not here posting in an attempt to please Elizabeth Miller …

You should be here to express your political opinions in a civil and intelligent manner and you should care whether you are here to uphold the standards set out in Chris's blog.

If you are not here to do that, then you probably shouldn't be here at all.

It's about this excellent blog and it always has been.

Demonstrating a sense of dignity and engaging in discourse, agreeable or otherwise, in a civil manner without insulting fellow commenters is not, in any remote sense, censorship.

I hope that you can understand that.

Demonstrating a sense of dignity and engaging in discourse, agreeable or otherwise, is not, in any remote sense, censorship.

I hope that you can understand that.

I think you would be happier elsewhere.

I believe it is time to consider treason as a description of Trump's behavior in the wake of the Helsinki summit.

The Helsinki summit is the tip of the iceberg, ma'am, which is why I have always and will always refer to Trump as "Benedict Donald."

There is a lesson here … when the facts of any given issue change or when new facts become known, it is often the case that arguments may change accordingly.

No, ma'am, the "facts" and the bigger "lesson" are that you should never endeavor to admonish or censor other posters on a political chat board for having an opinion you disagree with based on your knowledge of the facts and/or your definitions of "common decency" or "________" <--- insert term here.

Perhaps Paula or I or another poster has knowledge of the facts that you don't, and perhaps you should allow everyone else to have an opinion you don't agree with based on your limited knowledge and/or definitions of which you personally approve because:

(a) Commenters are entitled to their own opinions whether or not they meet with Elizabeth Miller's preferred definitions and/or

(b) There might be commenters who have knowledge of the facts that far exceed those known by Elizabeth Miller.

Besides, I still believe that treason is a serious charge and should not be thrown about without sufficient facts to support it.

There is also a lesson in that.

Treason is both a legal term of art and a word with a common definition. Of course, not every person who refers to a person as a traitor is attempting to "charge" them with a crime as outlined in United States Code. Allow yourself to comprehend the fact that commenters should generally be allowed to opine that someone is a traitor without somebody like you admonishing them regarding their word usage and seeking to censor their language.

You really should allow yourself to cease and desist in your oft repeated exercise of self-appointed Royal Canadian Mounted Police Board Monitor. :)

I'll resist attempts to improve the quality of comments to conform with the excellence of this reality-based political blog when asinine comments like the above are a thing of the past.

What was so asinine about the "comment like the above," Elizabeth? You've got your knickers in a twist because I referred to the "comments" section of the "political blog" as a "political chat board" and that didn't meet with your personal approval or definition. Well boo effing hoo; cry me a river.

I would wager that the author of the blog couldn't give two shirts whether or not I refer to his political blog's comments section as a "political chat board" or not as long as I continue to support it. So the question remains as to why on Earth you feel the constant need to admonish commenters of the blog to post in terms that suit you or in accordance with your knowledge of the facts; it is beyond all human comprehension.

You should let it sink in that commenters on the "political chat board" aren't required to post to suit Elizabeth Miller's knowledge of the facts or using language that is acceptable to Elizabeth Miller... because they're not. :)

This is not a "chat board" - a place I would never visit, let alone attempt to turn it into something it will never be.

Nice "chatting" with you on the "board," Elizabeth. You should visit more often and allow yourself to "clue in" to the fact that it's not about you, Elizabeth. There are going to be posters that have opinions that contain facts you know nothing about and do not exactly meet with your own personal definitions.

Get over yourself already, Elizabeth; it's not about you... nor should you try to mold it to suit your personal tastes. You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, but trying to police the board and make everyone post in terms you agree with based on your personal opinion and limited knowledge is pretty asinine, in my opinion. If you disagree with someone's opinion, by all means, debate away, but I'm not here posting in an attempt to please Elizabeth Miller; I would wager that no one else is either, and I cannot fathom why on Earth you believe everyone should be. :)

I'll resist attempts to improve the quality of comments to conform with the excellence of this reality-based political blog when asinine comments like the above are a thing of the past.

This is not a "chat board" - a place I would never visit, let alone attempt to turn it into something it will never be.

There is also a lesson in that.

I believe it is time to consider treason as a description of Trump's behavior in the wake of the Helsinki summit.

Why is it not appropriate to label the president a traitor for his treasonous behavior?

Wow, Elizabeth. You've come a long way in such a short time.

[139] Elizabeth Miller wrote:

Paula,

Treason is a serious charge and should not be thrown around in a non-serious manner. ~ Elizabeth Miller, 06/18/18

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/06/15/ftp488/#comment-120162

So it's okay now, Liz, to refer to Benedict Donald as a traitor? Are you quite sure? Not that you could ever stop anyone from doing it during the constant and repetitive exercise of your self-appointed duties as board monitor wherein you frequently admonish posters for opinions you disagree with.

Lately you've taken to whining about people being afraid to refer to Trump as a traitor... whereas I have always referred to him as Benedict Donald and Paula too had to suffer through your tiring tirades.

This is why I asked you to allow people... mostly Paula... to express their opinions on the political chat board and that you allow yourself to stop with your repeated attempts at censorship.

Thank you for coming around, though, Elizabeth. Yes, ma'am, he is absolutely a traitor. Who knew? :)

Image is everything. No one is going to take you seriously if your site looks neglected no matter who writes about it. They don't take you seriously, they don't sign up. Argue all you want, but it's marketing 101.

Absolutely correct, Bashi. How many people in this day and age of rampant fraud and phishing are eager to sign up with their credentials on a website that is outdated and contradicts itself multiple times? You can pretty much count them on two hands, and the proof of that is in the results to date.

Don won't listen, though. I used the Holy Bible simply as a reference for "layout" regarding the dynamics playing out in Mueller's investigation... two large sections containing several named books and the common glue that held the sections together... and Don in his "infinite wisdom" whined about the validity contained in the Bible... spoken like a true moron too who doesn't understand that the Bible is also a history book written over time, which time does indeed coincide with other written history which corroborates much of the history contained therein, but I digress.

As I read Don's asinine comment, it occurred to me that it would be very instructive to Don if he could "clue in" to the fact that his website resembled his whining about the Bible. The same way he feels about the Bible and its contradictions applies equally to his website, but do you think for a second he's got the ability to apply a little introspection? I would think anyone with two brain cells to rub together could see where the first section ended and the second section began and how his website contradicts itself ad nauseam and therefore appears like a fraud to anyone who reads it.

That is why I needle you about the link in your name above each post you post here. Independently, ya who cares. Added to all the stuff ListenWhenYouHear mentioned in the other thread, and 1Demand looks like a place to steal your info, rather than enact political change.

Exactly. As long as Don refuses to reconcile the history contained in the two big sections of his "One Demand" political "crusade," people are naturally going to view his spew in the same manner as he views the history of the Jewish people and the subsequent hijacking, appropriation thereof, and embellishment by the Anglo Saxons.

Rant over... and more of yet another attempt to somehow get through to Don on his terms and less of an attempt that takes itself seriously. Seriously. Marketing 101. :)

a. most of it had no subliminal messaging, if any did. Most of it was straight-up trolling.

b. Somebody, somewhere will eventually devote a master's thesis to the subject of 'Application Of Psychological Warfare Techniques In Russian Espionage Materials Used To Interfere In The 2016 Election'

c. John M [14] is correct: we haven't gotten the full story about Russia's cyber campaign during the elections, but I'm sure the deep state is itching to tell the tale. That'll come in due time as well.

It's early yet. Trump's doing a fine job of trashing his own reputation among all but his loyal GOP followers, and taking a few of them down with him as well. Despite a recent increase in bravado among GOP talking heads (i.e.,the 'Red Wave' *giggle*) the voter enthusiasm edge remains with the Democrats. The Numbers suggest that we could even lose ground in the Senate (historically bad year for Dems there, it's said), but the House is in sight, and that's got us all buoyed.

So, does simple disagreement invariably constitute a "Put-Down" in your mind?

Perhaps you should define "put-down" for me.

Re "We'll have to see Mueller's report to know the true extent that the Russian's interferance ultimately affected vote totals."

You've gotta be kidding! How can he, you, me or anybody POSSIBLY know how subliminal messaging affected vote totals.

Read John M's [14] which seems to epitomise the Dem/lib take on the whole Russian meddling/Russian Collusion thing. If that represents something close to how you, and pretty much everybody around here except for me, sees the Russian influence thing, there no way anybody but God himself could ever know "how it all affected vote totals", right?

All of your comments are put-downs, in one form or another, whether they are directed to one of us or to your fellow citizens.

Is it really necessary to do that every single time you post a comment?

Well I'm sure that that's the spin that the Trumpfans would prefer. The fact that Hillary finished with more votes nationwide than Obama got in 2012 mitigates against that explanation.

The winning and losing of the 2016 election was a process, not an event. We'll probably have to see Mueller's Report to know the true extent of the Russian plot and the extent to which their interference ultimately affected vote totals.

Toe the political correct frakin' line or your history..

Jeezus H Frakin' Christ!!!!

I did not mean to denigrate you or your commitment with the word compulsion. I don't have any problems at all with political passion. But political passion is needed to now be directed toward the threats to the nation's fabric, which can --and should-- primarily be addressed by voting. Remember that Trumpians believe this to be true as well; only the perceived threats are different, not their passion.

I'll be happy to engage discussion of your crusade (and using that word, I hope you're not of Islamic faith ;) in good time. Like you, I consider unconstrained money in elections to be an abomination. My point, though, is that this is not the time.

As Donny Deutsch remarked this morning, this is the election of our lifetimes. If you can mobilize voters this time who would not otherwise vote, than I'd hope you would mobilize them to not waste their votes in protest. Particularly so, among voters who are de-facto disenfranchised by gerrymandering reinforced by corporate money. The stronger the vote, the clearer the message.

Image is everything. No one is going to take you seriously if your site looks neglected no matter who writes about it. They don't take you seriously, they don't sign up. Argue all you want, but it's marketing 101. It shows you are serious and not just some random crank, which seems to be the image you are currently going for. That is why I needle you about the link in your name above each post you post here. Independently, ya who cares. Added to all the stuff ListenWhenYouHear mentioned in the other thread, and 1Demand looks like a place to steal your info, rather than enact political change.

You are focusing on the theoretically possible and ignoring the probable. It would not take any more resources to bring your site up to snuff. Cut down on the posts here, read some of the plentiful guides on how to run and update a blog that are free and all over the net, and bam! you are legit. No money required, just hard work on your part. It's that last bit that seems to be your personal obstacle...

Re all those voter stats about college students, blacks and other voter blocs.

One can equally well explain those changes in voting patterns by the fact, as somebody stated here elsewhere recently, that "The Dems nominated the worst candidate in the whole U.S., and she got beaten by the second worst candidate."

It's a manifestation of desperation to create Russian Boogiemen/internet trolls as the villains, when it could just as easily be the old "Occams Razor" principle.

Because the way votes are reported, the same candidate would win and each local reporter would ignore the write in's unless they noticed an unusually large number of them. Big if there. And a bigger if they bothered to research and write a story about it even if they noticed. Then if you look at traffic monitoring site like Alexia, you will find CW.com does not get enough traffic to even be listed. Are you hoping the NYT will pick you up if CW does? Does anyone there even read this blog? Yes, in theory what you want could happen but statically its up there with winning the big prize on powerball. Nice fantasy but keep your day job.

If you want a chance of actualizing change: put your house in order. Fix your site, add to it, make it relevant. Make it something that CW would want to write about. You are showing a pattern of neglect that is quickly moving from persistence to creepy stalking...

This is the reason I don't engage with Mr. Harris' compulsion on election financing. It doesn't make any sense to discuss what choices need to be made in remodeling a house if the foundation is not solid.

After (and if) we restore stability to our democracy by defeating the forces of transactional isolationism, how to repair the damage to both our domestic and international orders can proceed.

Wrong question. The question you should be asking, is, did all of those efforts influence ANYONE to vote differently than they might have otherwise?

A quick look at the record suggests: yes, of course it did. College-age voters stayed home or voted for third party candidates in higher numbers than they had in previous elections. Black voting totals were way down. Rural republican numbers went way up, particularly in western Wisconsin, where local colleges usually balance the vote.

Communist Jill Stein's numbers in Wisconsin went from 1% (in 2012) to 6% (2016), and Libertarian Gary Johnson went from 2% (2012) to 7% (2016).

You could blame that all on Hillary, and many do, but then, that's exactly what they'd want us to do, isn't it? Nationwide, Hillary actually out-performed Obama, while Trump did about the same as Romney had. It was the distribution of those votes in swing states that changed - evidence that specific targeting of voters in key areas made the difference.

O"K, one question - Did all those high-tech, ultra sophisticated efforts fool YOU!!

I know the answer, it ain't just NO, i't HELL NO, implying that you were too smart to be fooled, but the great unwashed masses all were deceived, right??

Rampant elitism, right?"

WRONG. You are the one being elitist and deliberately burying your head in the sand like an ostrich.

It doesn't have to fool everybody, just enough.

How many ordinary bright people fall for scams every day? A phone call, from the police or IRS saying wire them money or put money on a prepaid card? Finding a wallet and saying deposit some money in a joint account as a sign of good faith, then we will withdraw it and split it. Happens all the time, right? People GET fooled and played.

"A helluva bunch of Dems/Libs (and likely a few Weigantians) actually believe that the Russians penetrated our voting machines, and cast bogus ballots for Trump, which is why Trump won. They don't know, and out of ignorance, don't care, that voting machines are not even connected to the internet!"

True. But Russians HAVE hacked electronic poll books — tablets and laptops, loaded with check-in software, that have increasingly replaced the thick binders of paper used to verify voters’ identities and registration status.

This HAS lead to things like: Voters being told they were ineligible to vote and being turned away at the polls, even when they displayed current registration cards. Others being sent from one polling place to another, only to be rejected. Scores of voters were incorrectly told they had cast ballots days earlier.

There are at least 21 states whose election systems were targeted by Russian hackers, according to interviews with nearly two dozen national security and state officials and election technology specialists.

The assaults on the vast back-end election apparatus — voter-registration operations, state and local election databases, e-poll books and other equipment — have received far less attention than other aspects of the Russian interference, such as the hacking of Democratic emails and spreading of false or damaging information about Mrs. Clinton. Yet the hacking of electoral systems was more extensive than previously disclosed, The New York Times found.

Sorry all to hell, Miss Hypersensitivity, but please note, I would NEVER "disrespect" you!

OK, one question - Did all those high-tech, ultra sophisticated efforts fool YOU!!

I know the answer, it ain't just NO, i't HELL NO, implying that you were too smart to be fooled, but the great unwashed masses all were deceived, right??

Rampant elitism, right?

"Obviously, you misssed my whole point."

Obviously you are the one who missed the whole point.

"I maintain that the "criminal actions" did NOT "benefit my candidate"! (Actually, Trump was not my candidate, but that's another subject.)"

Which directly contradicts what our own intelligence agencies are saying, since they agree that the Russian actions did indeed demonstrably benefit both Trump and the Trump campaign. Even Putin in Helsinki came right out and said he wanted Trump to win. Imagine if an American President made such a statement about favoring a British Prime Minister in an election, for instance!

"What does it actually MEAN when anybody says "Russia attacked out election system", or "Russia attacked our democracy", or "Russia subverted our democratic process" etc.?"

Here's what it means:

1) The scale of the Russian campaign was to spend tens of millions of dollars spent over several years to build a broad, sophisticated system that can influence American opinion.

2) The Russian efforts described in the indictment focused on establishing deep, authenticated, long-term identities for individuals and groups within specific communities. This was underlaid by the establishment of servers and VPNs based in the US to mask the location of the individuals involved. US-based email accounts linked to fake or stolen US identity documents (driver licenses, social security numbers, and more) were used to back the online identities. These identities were also used to launder payments through PayPal and cryptocurrency accounts. All of this deception was designed to make it appear that these activities were being carried out by Americans.

3) Additionally, the indictment mentions that the Russians had a department whose job was gaming algorithms. This is important because information warfare—the term used in the indictment itself—is not about "fake news" and “bots." It is about creating an information environment and narrative—specific storytelling vehicles used to achieve goals of subversion.

4) The content was not designed to persuade people to change their views, but to harden those views. Confirmation bias is powerful and commonly employed in these kinds of psychological operations (a related Soviet concept is “reflexive control”—applying pressure in ways to elicit a specific, known response). The intention of these campaigns was to activate—or suppress—target groups. Not to change their views, but to change their behavior. In other words, to keep targeted groups like African Americans home, and not vote for Clinton in sufficient numbers to make a difference.

That's considerably more than what you are trying to minimize and belittle with your comments. It's apparently you who don't understand.

A key goal of these Russian campaigns was "mainstreaming" an idea—moving it from the fringe to the mainstream and thus making it appear to be a more widely held than it actually is.

This corrosive effect is real and significant. Which part of the fear of “sharia law in America” came from Russian accounts versus readers of InfoWars? How much did the Russian campaigns targeting black voters impact the low turnout? ETC.

You're the one who purposefully misses the point, enjoying the art of distraction.

Be that as it may but, your disrespectful tactics are not appreciated here.

Obviously, you misssed my whole point.

I maintain that the "criminal actions" did NOT "benefit my candidate"! (Actually, Trump was not my candidate, but that's another subject.)

No rational person could believe that Sanders' backers, (the leftist of the lefties) voted for Trump (the rightest of the righties) because they discovered that Hillary cheated their guy out of the Dem nomination.

(Of course, I hasten to admit that rationality is not the long suit of Dems/Libs.)

I always thought that LWYH stood for "I'm embarrassed about what I post, so I use a pseudonym".

So as long as a foreign country’s criminal actions benefits your candidate, you have no problem with their actions, is that it?

I always thought that the “C.R.” stood for “Corrupt Republican” when “Comrade Republican ” might be more appropriate.

What does it actually MEAN when anybody says "Russia attacked out election system", or "Russia attacked our democracy", or "Russia subverted our democratic process" etc.?

A helluva bunch of Dems/Libs (and likely a few Weigantians) actually believe that the Russians penetrated our voting machines, and cast bogus ballots for Trump, which is why Trump won. They don't know, and out of ignorance, don't care, that voting machines are not even connected to the internet!

What it actually means to say "Russia attacked our election system", is that Russian hackers revealed to the whole world, that Hillary, Donna Brazille, Podesta and company (the DNC), had stacked the primary process deck to make damn sure that Bernie Sanders didn't win the nomination, and that's ALL it means!!

I'd say that anybody who wasn't smart enough or perceptive enough to have taken that fact for granted before the hackers ever posted the emails that proved it, had to be suffering from terminal political naivete. Nobody ever heard of "superdelegates"? Why do you think the Dems invented superdelegates? Not to democratize the nomination process!

People cast their votes based on wallet issues, and/or political ideology. NOBODY switched votes from Sanders to Trump because Sanders got cheated - that's prima fascia ridiculous!

Basiclly, the whole 'scandal' of Russian hacking is an attempt to 1), rationalize Hillary's 'impossible' defeat, and 2, to delegitimize Trump's win.

With any other American president, Putin would never have raised such an asinine proposition.

With Trump, Putin raised the asinine offer just to see what Trump's reaction would be. Would Trump laugh it off or would he actually take it seriously and even think it was a brilliant idea? Well, the world now knows the disturbing and sickening answer.

Why is it not appropriate to label the president a traitor for his treasonous behavior?

And, if it isn't treason, then the American president is so incompetent that he is not capable of living up to the oath of his office.

What does this president have to do to be relieved of his duties?