http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

There are large majorities in both parties who support the opposite of the headline positions.

The issue is used as a litmus test by both sides, as it is a good vote winner. My old friend, an evangelical pastor, feels that his side is "losing the pro-life" battle and it is the #1 issue for him and his wife. If he "won" all that would happen is that a lot of supporters of "women's rights" would feel they are "losing" and it would become their #1 issue.

The problem for Republicans is that overturning Roe vs. Wade would result in abortion being illegal in red states, and some purple states. In those purple states the additional motivation to vote Democrat could well tip the balance - most Republican lawmakers in these states would be very unhappy, but are caught in a vise of their own making.

ya mean, like ya'all do with President Trump???

When has anyone here had the opportunity to view Trump’s private communications to be able to do that? Trump’s tweets are for public view, so those are free game to comment on.

I do look forward to Mueller releasing the private communications between Putin and Trump’s campaign. I wonder if we will find that Trump giving up on the US’s objection to Russia claim to Crimea had been the plan all along!

How awesome would THAT be!!???

Yer right.. Let's leave the question up to the woman for ANY of their children..

Casey Anthony is a good example...

:^/

ya mean, like ya'all do with President Trump???

Because, when you think about it, there is a strain of conservativism that entertains the idea that government's authority ends at our skins. We should not be prosecuted for what we think, or how well we maintain our health. Chili Fajitas are our own business and base jumping is our decision regardless of the risk.

So why not leave the decision freely up to the woman in question? Isn't control of one's own body the very bedrock of conservativism and libertarianism? It boggles the mind that there would be an exception in this one case. In this context, Roe v. Wade makes the liberal counter-argument, that the fetus has rights after viability that supercede its biological dependency.

You do understand this was the ruling of the Supreme Court? And as for inconsistency, where are Libertarians on drivers licences? At their Presidential Debate in 2016 the eventual candidate was booed for saying that he thought drivers licences were a good idea.

Where do you stand on drivers licenses - evil government interference or imposing jack-booted rules on the ability of a drunk 7-year-old to careen down the freeway at 100mph?

Republicans getting some shit thrown back at them as well. Strzok essentially confirmed that he knows of classified evidence of reciprocal communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians. About Mueller's investigation, Strzok says, "It is not politically motivated, it is not a witch hunt, it is not a hoax."

Gowdy is trying to beat the horse until it's hamburger. Several Democrats breaking in to protest Gowdy's behavior, as he was coming very close to acting like a stereotypical Southern prosecutor, bellowing hyperbole. At the end of one exchange, he was chided by a New Jersey congresswoman who sarcastically added, "this isn't Benghazi."

NOT WINNING!!! :-D

So, you are happy your own country is not winning...

Sad...

Have you always had reading comprehension problems, it is it a recent development?

I wrote (using YOUR verbiage from [40]), that she was "unable to live OUTSIDE the womb ON HER OWN". Clearly she ahd been able to do so for 8 0r 9 decades, but at that point she was unable to do so ON HER OWN.

How did you get from that clear and concise statement, that she was "inside someon's vagina"?

Actually, don't bother - I'd really prefer NOT to know the answer to that.

"Trump says NATO withdrawal is 'unnecessary' after allies agree to increase spending
The U.S. president claimed NATO allies had made unprecedented commitments to increase spending on their own defense, before adding he believed he could pull out of the group without Congressional approval.
However, this would be "unnecessary" because allies had agreed to increase their defense spending.
“We had a very intense summit,” German Chancellor told reporters after the meeting.

WINNING!!! :D"

"But French President Emmanuel Macron Thursday rejected Trump's assertion.

"There was a communiqué released yesterday it was very detailed and I invite you to read it ... It shows the measures approved by all the member states. This communiqué is clear, it reaffirms a commitment to 2% in 2024. That is all," Macron said."

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Well, your ignorance has definitely been consistent! A 4 week old fetus cannot be kept alive outside of the mother’s womb. Premature babies that were only in their 16th week have a slim chance of surviving in a neo-natal pediatric ICU. They are physically developed enough that they have a chance of living outside of the womb.

Do you have a speech impediment that causes you to confuse “room” and “womb”, because I doubt your mom spent the last two decades of her life living in someone’s vagina! But then again, freaks gonna get freaky, so maybe she did.

you had your mom on a heart and lung machine for a decade? or you mean she had assistance in tending to her needs? if you want to take the statement to extremes, very few of us could truly survive completely on our own. i doubt most of today's americans could last very long without society to provide a supermarket and air conditioning. but there's survival and then there's survival.

JL

Even new-born full-term babies are unable to "survive outside the womb ON THEIR OWN". My mother, from sometime in her late 80's until she died at 99, was "unable to survive outside the womb ON HER OWN"!

I seriously doubt you'd have been OK with a 'retroactive abortion' anytime during that 12 or 14 yr period of her life???

If the Dem/Lib attitude really AIN'T "hypocrisy" as all Dems/Libs keep telling us, it's definitely inconsistency!

Trump also said that North Korea has agreed to denuclearization, and that was bullshit, too! Trump seems to believe that the other members of NATO agreed to up their contributions from 2% to 4%; only problem is that no one else in the meeting actually agreed to this.

Watching Trump answer reporters questions was surreal. When Trump talks about the NATO nations he sounds like a macho- tough guy who doesn’t take crap from anyone! But let the topic shift to Russia and Putin and Trump becomes a child who will do anything to get the person he idolizes to like him. Seriously, Trump admitted that his goal is for he and Putin to become friends!

And why does Trump think he needs to ask Putin whether Russia interfered with our election? Our intelligence agencies (and the Senate investigation) have already made it clear that Russia is guilty. So much for his tough-guy routine! Not that anyone believes Trump would actually say to Putin that he doesn’t want him to help Trump get re-elected.

It isn’t “some magical process”, it is when the fetus is able to survive on its own outside of the womb that most people draw the line on abortions (This occurs, typically, around the 23rd week). It is “science”. It is also common sense.

The argument that the fetus is “alive” at conception and therefore must be protected ignores the obvious flaw in this argument: sperm, required to fertilize the egg, are also alive and no one is rushing to protect them from winding up trapped in a tissue, dying in the waste basket. We don’t have a memorial service every time a woman has her period, either.

While I am not in favor of abortions after 23 weeks, I recognize that there are times when they may be appropriate and necessary. If the fetus is determined to have no heartbeat or brain activity, there is no reason to force the woman to carry it any longer.

As for the other end of that curve, are you suggesting that we require families to keep family members on life support until their bodies shut themselves down? You didn’t say “suicide”, but “pulling the plug” has the exact same result.

The anti-abortion backers aren’t “pro-life”, they are “pro-birth”. They seem to believe that God puts a little version of our fully developed bodies into a woman’s womb at conception. This lack of scientific knowledge is something they wear like a badge of honor.

So, that would be a no...

To the charge that the investigation into Trump was politically motivated, Strzok has a simple answer: then why was it kept secret until after the election?

heh.

Not true. Amazing the way your side can get the facts wrong right out of the gate like that. Stormy was arrested because someone (perhaps someone known to the arresting officer?) managed to reach out and touch her during a performance.

Not sure what the crime rate is in Columbus, Ohio, but I'm sure that local residents will be relieved to know that valuable law enforcement resources have been committed to keeping them safe from the corruption caused when a customer manages to lean out and at swipe at the leg of an exotic dancer as she passes..

...politically motivated nonsense.

That answer your question??

:D

I accept your concession. :D

Of course ya don't mind.. That's how ya can get thru your day.. Changing the meaning of words and comments that you disagree with to something you agree with.. :D

It's called LIVING IN A BUBBLE :D

Trump is as popular as Obama was in the middle of his first presidential term, survey says
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article214749845.html

Don'tcha all just HATE it when FACTS and REALITY are so.. so... inconvenient to ya'all's hysterical ideological slavery?? :D

Porn star Stormy Daniels arrested while performing in Ohio strip club
Por star Stormy Daniels, who has made headlines for an alleged affair with Donald Trump, was arrested during a performance at a Columbus, Ohio, strip club, according to her attorney.
Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti in a Twitter post claimed the arrest "was politically motivated, and "reeks of desperation."
The actress is suing Trump and the president's former lawyer seeking to void have a nondisclosure agreement she signed to keep quiet about her purported tryst with Trump. The White House denies any affair.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/12/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-columbus-ohio-while-performing-avenatti.html

Democrat Heroine arrested for fondling!!

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When you are being intentionally vague and trolling, I mind not arbitrarily deciding my own meaning to your posts.

If you want to talk about involuntary euthanasia, then spit it out rather than dance around it. Though I still think it is a poor attempt at manufactured hypocrisy...

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"Uhh, that would be me."
-Beach Jock, BEDAZZLED

:D

"Uhh, that would be me."
-Beach Jock, BEDAZZLED

:D

I find it terminally weird that you repeatedly accuse me of claiming to be a "know-it-all" expert in regards to matters of a political and/or ideological nature, where there exists no 'truth' and no 'error', no 'right' and no 'wrong', but only matters of personal opinion.

So, now I suppose you can accuse me of claiming to be an expert on the subject of 'weird', right?

And right there is the exact problem with Democrats. They are interested in "philosophy"...

Whereas the discussion is the LAW....

Dunno if I would call it serious. :D

"Any intelligent guesses as to where they might be heading???"
"Iran?? Iraq?? Saudi Arabia??"
"Well, those are guesses. Don't know if I would call them 'intelligent'.."
-AIR FORCE ONE

We'll just harass the living daylights out of all the illegal Russian judges to set them up for impeachment down the road.

If you Dems/Libs are willing to justify terminating a human life at some arbitrary point along the left end of the bell curve, logic and consistency demands the right to terminate it at the same point on the downward end of the curve, otherwise you're being hypocrites, right?

Do you have a clue of the philosophy behind Roe vs. Wade?

The "arbitrary point" is the core to the ruling.

Also, how much study and research have you done into embryology that makes you the expert around here?

I've re-read my [6] twice, and nowhere do I find any mention of "suicide". 'Suicide' is by definition, voluntary on the part of the person being killed, is it not?

Abortion (Killing an unborn person) is , likewise by definition, INvoluntary on the part of the person being killed, is it not?

Are ya'all willing to give the GOP a stronger majority in the Senate in exchange for a token show of opposition against Kavanaugh that will, at best, simply delay the inevitable??

Serious question there.. Would appreciate a serious answer..

Weigantians!!! It's you!!! :D

DOH!!!!

SIX weeks old.. My bust. Thanx for pointing that out..

As to the rest.. Who cares WHY it has a heartbeat at 6 weeks old. It does...

It's incredibly hypocritical of Democrats to be so hysterically concerned about the children of criminals on the southern border but enthusiastically support the wholesale slaughter of TENS OF MILLIONS of innocent children of innocent Americans...

Go ahead, Democrats..

Pile on Judge Kavanaugh...

I double dog dare you...

Not sure if it would work, but an inventive idea none-the-less.

Democrats think that an arbitrary "rule" of their OWN making has the force of law??

Talk about desperation..... :D

Ya'all need to come to grips with reality..

Ya lost...

Yer gonna lose..

You will continue to lose as long as you refuse to acknowledge that President Trump is YOUR president and he is doing some really great things for this country..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed.."
-Captain Smilin Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

A baby has a heartbeat at sex weeks old...

i think i'll end there, this analogy is getting morbid.

JL

What are you going on about? Assisted suicide is generally supported by a majority of Democrats and Republicans. Democrats currently poll in the 80's in support, Republicans in the 60's in support.

Your manufactured hypocrisy needs a good dose of catching up on the issue...

As an ideological libertarian, I personally favor any woman's right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Hell, if it were up to me, we might have some mandatory abortions, in fact I can even see the need for 'retroactive" abortions (chew on those two concepts, Weigantians!)

What I cannot abide is the typical Dem/lib argument in support of abortion rights that seeks to pick arbitrary points along the unbroken continuum of human existence, at which by some magical process, the fetus is instantly transformed from sub-human to human.

Human life typically advances along a sort of "bell curve" path - we tend to start life wearing diapers and making unintelligible noises, and we tend to end life wearing diapers and making unintelligible noises.

If you Dems/Libs are willing to justify terminating a human life at some arbitrary point along the left end of the bell curve, logic and consistency demands the right to terminate it at the same point on the downward end of the curve, otherwise you're being hypocrites, right?

It is like a rabbit judging ice dancing - Trump can't insult anybody in a subject he is completely clueless in.

What a buffoon.

No worries, CW, we knew they'd shove some horror show through.

Not sure if it would work, but an inventive idea none-the-less.