I don't believe there is a single poster who is the least bit afraid of you, Michale. If you had any real problem with name calling, you wouldn't insist on referring to anyone who disagrees with you as the "Hysterical Left." Your issue is your desire to shove everyone else here into a box of your own making... Your issue is about controlling the board.

A little self-awareness would do you some good. Once you allow yourself to realize that you really have no control over another man's property, you'll be free to allow others to express themselves without resorting to censorship and playing victim... while continuing to practice the very behavior you're whining about.

Paula is right; you want authoritarianism and a fawning "citizenry" while you play victim and fart buckets on the entire "country"... very much like your Orange Worship... the issue is control.

Liz: You want us to all be stuffed into a small room with no windows, while the traitor stuffs himself with beans and then does nothing but fart repeatedly, laugh about it, and expect us to pretend the room doesn't stink.

If you want to engage in intelligent discourse, why do you repeatedly ask the traitor for his thoughts? He NEVER offers anything except rightwing talking points followed by streams of lies. All you do is hand him plate after plate of beans. But we've had this conversation before - not gonna waste my time.

Thank you, Kick. I will..

You do the same.. :D

I am not going to argue with you, Kick...

If you want to defend your right to name-call and make personal attacks on Weigantians here, that's your choice..

You say you're not going to argue with me, but then you proceed to put words in my mouth that I never said. My issue wasn't with defending my rights to call anyone names. My issue was with you telling everyone to cease the name calling while you continued to do it yourself. It's not complicated. Reframing what a poster says is your typical modus operandi.

Just don't expect anyone (who is NOT part of the problem) to support you...

I believe you have missed my entire point that it was you who made the rules and then continued to hurl your regular and often repeated insults. Your attempt to frame other posters as the problem while it's you who is continuing the behavior is the entire issue. Get a mirror and figure it out, please.

Moving on to another page now. Over and out. :)

Once again.. This is solely about stopping the name-calling and personal attacks against Weigantians..

Pot-kettle. :)

The fact that you have a problem with that is very telling....

The fact that you complained about name calling and promulgated the banning of posters for doing it yet you were the one who continued doing it is also very telling.

You made rules for everybody else, but you turned right around and were the first to ignore them and hurl your regular often repeated and standard insults. No one else did that except you. Insisting that name calling bothers you and attempting to censor other posters while you continue to do it is Exhibit A. Figure it out, please.

Meanwhile, have a nice day. :)

If you want to defend your right to name-call and make personal attacks on Weigantians here, that's your choice..

Just don't expect anyone (who is NOT part of the problem) to support you...

While you hop over to another page and continue doing exactly that?

Your actions are indicative that name calling isn't an issue for you since you... in fact... continued to do it. Your issue is obviously control of the forum.

If you can't do that, well... Let the chips fall where they may...

Who was it that continued the name calling? In fact, it was you. So as I said, your issue is obviously control.

I can't make it any simpler than that...

Like I said, your issue isn't the name calling; it's the control of the forum. Obviously. :)

The fact that you have a problem with that is very telling....

Michale: That was a past commentary. The agreement was going forward..

This attempt of yours to have other posters banned while you continue to gleefully hurl insults at those posters you're accusing and attempting to silence is indicative that name calling isn't your issue... while it seems that "control" of the forum actually is.

All you have to do is quit the name-calling and personal attacks on Weigantians and there won't be ANY issues..

Why do you argue against that??

"We have the RIGHT....."
".. To wage war, captain? To kill millions of innocent people? To destroy life on a planetary scale? Is that the 'right' you are defending??"
-STAR TREK, Errand Of Mercy

It's mind-boggling that this should even BE a discussion...

If you can't do that, well... Let the chips fall where they may...

I can't make it any simpler than that...

She's afraid because she knows it will be the end of her time here..

You've made it quite clear now that you wish to have at least TS and me silenced and/or censored off the boards... but you're wrong again if you believe for one second that I'm "scared" or "deathly afraid" of your lobbying of the author and enlistment of other posters to have people banned from his own website.

I would wager that you've correctly determined that you can't run me off in the same fashion that you've run off other posters. I will continue to post and support this forum until I am banned by the author. In the meantime, do what you need to do to maintain control of another man's forum.

You've bragged several times on this board regarding how you've run other posters off this forum, and now you want to censor people and enlist other posters to lobby the author to have people censored for name calling? No offense, but you complaining about name calling is rather like the proverbial "pot calling the kettle black."

Quit speaking for CW.. He is a big boy and can decide on his own..

If you believe TS is "speaking for CW," what exactly is it that you believe you're doing? It seems to me like he simply voiced his opinion of the rules you promulgated for CW's blog. Why is his opinion not any more valid than your own?

You are so desperately scared that things will get better here because that means your kind will be gone..

Why is it that you insist on speaking for TS or me or anyone else on this forum and assigning feelings to others? TS doesn't seem the least bit desperate to me, in my honest opinion. TS also isn't afraid of words on a page. When he wishes to avoid the posts he deems trolling or unpleasant [yours], he simply toggles them on and off and asks people very nicely not to feed the trolls. Since he rarely engages in the name calling, I'm not sure why anyone would remotely come to the conclusion that his "kind will be gone."

Grrrrr

Will CHANGE in here...

Not participating in flaming is all well and good and very important, no doubt..

But to actually affect (effect??) change in here, one must actively call out those who DO continue to engage in the flaming and personal attacking and name-calling..

IMNSHPO, *THAT* is the only way that things will in here...

i already try very hard not to engage in flame wars, but sure, if you'd like it to be a formal commitment i'm game.

JL

Oh... I thought it was from EVAN ALMIGHTY

"Be the change..."

:D

Exactly.. Liz and I are trying..

As the only other remaining Founder, do you want to join in??

And you are becoming very desperate that things might actually change around here and those who constantly attack people and name-call commenters will no longer be welcome..

That was a past commentary. The agreement was going forward..

Victoria is running scared.. She is deathly afraid that this no name calling and no personal attacks thing might actually catch on or, worse, became an enforced rule..

She's afraid because she knows it will be the end of her time here..

You may like the status quo but those who have been here the longest remember a more fun time and a more pleasant place...

Quit speaking for CW.. He is a big boy and can decide on his own..

You are so desperately scared that things will get better here because that means your kind will be gone..

On twitter: "An associate of Michael Cohen reportedly told @CNN he's willing to cooperate with investigators: "He knows a lot about Trump ... If they want information on Trump, he [Cohen] is willing to give it."

If he's flipping now, he'll be getting new lawyers very soon.

Flip Mikey, flip!

He'll either do it now or do it later... They always do. :)

Pretty smart guy, that Gandhi. ;)

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. ~ Gandhi

It's that last bit about not waiting to see what others do that I like the best.

be the change.

I that your 2 cents? <--- joking :)

My purpose here, for the moment, is to eliminate juvenile comments.

Your contribution to this effort would mean a great deal.

I realize you believe you're helping. I truly do. However, I am not the one suggesting punishments on one page of this forum while breaking the rules I've promulgated for everyone else on another page of this forum directly thereafter... all while enlisting another poster to come to my aid.

It's about time that you figured out the dynamics you're enabling when you allow yourself to be gaslighted. Live and learn, Elizabeth... please. :)

My purpose here, for the moment, is to eliminate juvenile comments.

Your contribution to this effort would mean a great deal.

I have a mother, Elizabeth. I'm not looking for another one. Thank you for asking, though. :)

Why do you comment on CW.com. In other words, what is your purpose here?

You just can't give it up, can you, Kick …

I think you missed the entire point that Michale agreed to stop the name calling on one page while continuing to do it on the other. If he's going to whine like a victim and enlist other posters such as yourself to come to his aid and admonish the entire group on his behalf while he nevertheless continues to carry on with his lies, fake quotes, and name calling as usual, then who is the one who can't give it up, Elizabeth?

You're allowing yourself to be gaslighted by him and coming to his aid on a regular basis. You regularly admonish other posters at his urging. Meanwhile, he carries on as usual and continues the name calling.

This pattern has played out so many times on this board that I would have thought you'd figure it out by now... it sure seems like everyone else has. :)

First off, we define 'rough and tumble' differently. My definition does not include personal attacks or name-calling. It does include aggressive argument on any given issue.

I'm not talking about free speech, TS. If commenters wish to make asses of themselves, then that is their basic human right. I'm also not talking about censorship or banning.

I most definitely DO NOT favour a word limit. That would be a bridge too far for me. Besides, commenters are free to edit themselves and shouldn't need a word limit to do so. I do agree with you that word limits force self-editing, leading to better and well-thought out contributions. But, again, I am dead set against word limits. I'm a die hard Biden fan, after all, you know.

Of course, readers don't have to read comments and can choose to electronically ignore certain commenters. That again, is not my point which is that comments that contain nothing more than personal attacks and name-calling and are devoid of any intelligent discussion on the issues put before us in Chris's columns serve only as a stain on my favourite blog and do a disservice to our gracious host.

I also agree with you that Chris should not have to deal with the comments situation. This is something that we can choose to do all by ourselves. My hope is that we can work to eliminate, over time, the unnecessary personal attacks and juvenile name-calling and make this a welcome place for people of good will and thoughtful disposition.

Thanks for explaining about the OBDFL! I know very little about Monty Python and understand even less. I know, I know ... I am definitely missing out! Might have to do something about that. :)

P.S I'm pretty sure I couldn't have done this with a word limit, at least not without posting in multiple, non-brief comments ... :)

Deal?

Michale agrees at timestamp:
[Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 at 11:33 PDT]

So who among us will be the first to break? Any guesses?

While he's definitely got the victim routine and his lying about other posters and those fake quotes of his down cold, Michale whines incessantly about the name calling and even instigates measures for banning of other posters.

Meanwhile, on the prior page:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/06/15/ftp488/#comment-120277

It's business as usual where he's inventing his lies while slinging the regular requisite tired overused name calling of a poster. The timestamps don't lie, and note that he really doesn't mind one iota regarding the name calling as long as he's the one doing it while whining that everyone else needs to cease... Michale lasts less than 30 minutes:
[Tuesday, June 19th, 2018 at 11:59 PDT]

Please take note of the board being gaslighted... same as usual. :)

This website exists because of one person, CW. He does a great job in my humble opinion, and is consistently a step or two steps ahead of corporate media. He sees all the rough and tumble in the posts and sometimes weighs in with a reply, but he doesn't seem to censor people or banish them. It may have happened without fanfare, but in general CW seems to have a fairly literal approach to free speech up to and including rather rude speech. This is very Jeffersonian, who more or less said, if doesn't break my leg, or take my wallet, I'm gonna let it slide. CW self identifies as a Libertarian (left leaning). Libertarians tend to be sticklers for free speech. Free speech is often rough and sometimes ugly. Libertarians believe you have the right to make an ass of yourself.

Nobody has to read any of the comments, and l use software so as to not have to scroll through useless mean spirited flim flam that some readers predictably generate. I think I would personally favor a word limit. I find I write better when the white space is limited. I think most people do. Most hard copy letters to the editor have word limits, and I think the wrting is better for it. Anyway, this column is CW's baby. That's what I mean by OBDFL...it's a nod of respect....and I stole the title from the Python programing community who bestow in on their guru. (I'm an old guy trying to learn Python).

Liz, I really do respect your viewpoint, and I do listen when you call me out. Everbody benefits from constructive criticism. Let's have the conversation, but I doubt much will change. Trolls are fact of electronic life and will always be with us. CW seems to live with it. Let's not add his battle fatgue....I don't want him retire because there is nothing out there to replace him. Peace, don't feed the Trolls. This is being written in a cafe, so editing probably pretty awful.

It's almost as if Trump has been goading the markets to drop. What's his play, I wonder?

If Putin is pulling the strings I think his play seems to be to get as many allies of America into a trade war as possible. That evens the playing field, essentially putting them on the same footing that he's on under sanctions. Clever.

Did M.C. Escher design that sentence?

Word.......

Thanks for missing the point.

I take it you won't be joining us then?

While I agree with you in principle, I would suggest that Grand Poobah likes the status of the comments even less.. Not speaking for him, just saying it's a logical assumption..

I think it is a good thing to have a reasoned discussion on posting etiquette but that is all it can be.

The problem here is we have seen what your idea of "reasonable" is... And it's part of the problem, not part of the solution..

The old blog of mystic memory was nicer, but there were fewer people using it,

That is factually not accurate.. I can name a dozen users that are no longer here, no doubt pushed away by all the hysterics the comment section has developed..

There is price to pay for growth in terms of less group cohesion.

Those few of us left who REMEMBER how pleasant things were here are not willing to pay that price...

I think we should hold making any firm commitments until Our Benevolent Dictator For Life (OBDFL) has had a chance to process and weigh in on the debate. Any treaty that We The Weigantians might devise would not be enforceable except by OBDFL who ultimately controls the great river electrons and accepts annual sacrifices during the Winter Kitten Festival (please give generously). I don't think he would enjoy that task....or take it on.

I think it is a good thing to have a reasoned discussion on posting etiquette but that is all it can be. We have no means of collective enforcement, and can only offer up serving suggestions.

The old blog of mystic memory was nicer, but there were fewer people using it, and they posted shorter posts less frequently. More participants generate more ideas making the comments more expansive and more diverse in opinion. There is price to pay for growth in terms of less group cohesion.

Keep dreaming.. :D

Mueller already exonerated President Trump on the Russian indictment that he is going to have to dismiss...

Flip Mikey, flip!

OK, so your pretense for opposing the facts is that you mind read the author's intentions..

Gotcha.. :D

For example...???

He's a frequent defender of laws that restrict the freedom of gay americans under the guise of 'religious freedom'.

X2???

So, no. That doesn't work.

Of course not... :D

But even in the text of this latest screed, Malor reveals just how insincere he can be. Take this paragraph, for instance:

Two groups would not benefit from the prohibition on family separation in this bill. First, parents who have children with a permanent immigration status go unprotected. Additionally, the childless would obviously find no shelter from this legislation. This disparity in treatment for the childless and lawful permanent residents borders on the farcical.

His pretense of concern for childless immigrants would be almost forgivable had he not added the element of calling it 'farcical', perhaps as a wink to the reader that his own rhetoric isn't meant to be taken seriously. In other words, he's openly bullshitting us, and doesn't care that we know it.

If Malor had a shop in Sim Republica, it would make only straw man arguments.

So, no. That doesn't work.

You are right!! Things ARE better when we concentrate on the issues and forgo the name-calling and personal attacks on fellow commenters!!! :D

Democrats’ Border Separation Bill Would Let Nearly All Parents Who Commit Federal Crimes Get Off Scot-Free

Every Senate Democrat has signed on to cosponsor a bill written so carelessly that it does not distinguish between foreign children at the border and U.S. citizen children.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/democrats-border-separation-bill-let-nearly-parents-commit-federal-crimes-get-off-scot-free/

Go ahead, Democrats and NeverTrumpers..

PASS this bill.. I double dog dare you!!

I am sure I'll see your name there, speaking out about Obama separating families...

Right???

Aww, come on.. It was funny.. :D

And are you suggesting that every child needs to be removed permanently from their families and put up for adoption?

WOW.. How did you get there from back there???

It's a simple FACT that alleged "families" illegally trying to cross the border are rarely real families...

The scenario I laid out is factually realistic..

Now, just answer the question..

DO YOU advocate leaving children with that coyote couple...

Yes or no??

You don’t realize that the DOJ has always treated illegal entry into our country as a civil matter unless other charges are warranted, do you? Fox propaganda failed to teach that I am sure. And children under 12 cannot be charged with a crime, yet these children aren’t being taken care of by Child Services — they are being held as criminals by ICE personnel.

Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we are discussing..

I told you.. No moving the goal posts for you..

I did speak out against removing kids from parents for committing misdemeanor level crimes anytime it has been discussed, regardless of who is in charge.

Facts to support??

You might want to refrain from telling me to keep my sexual fantasies to myself for stating that Stephen Miller does NOT look like a human penis and then posting,

A adult coyote and his wife is taking 5 children across the border to sell into sex slavery..

During the course of their journey, the children are raped by the coyotes... Then they are caught at the border..

Sounds like your fantasies are much darker and far more repulsive. And are you suggesting that every child needs to be removed permanently from their families and put up for adoption? Your example sounds just as stupid. Amazing that you can come up with such outrageous and outlandish “what-ifs” but you refuse to even consider Trump is Putin’s puppet.

You don’t realize that the DOJ has always treated illegal entry into our country as a civil matter unless other charges are warranted, do you? Fox propaganda failed to teach that I am sure. And children under 12 cannot be charged with a crime, yet these children aren’t being taken care of by Child Services — they are being held as criminals by ICE personnel.

Obama had a SUPER MAJORITY in Congress for several months and had a LOCK on the entire government for two years..

And he didn't do squat...

And Obama did plenty of stripping kids from their parents and put kids in wire cages....

With all due respect, I ask you..

Why didn't you say anything then???

Why, it's ALMOST as if you don't really CARE about the children, that you are just looking to score political points..

But I know that you are a really nice guy, so THAT can't be it... :D

Maybe we need to start pleading to Putin to speak out against removing kids from their parents... you know we’d see Trump quickly change his tune then!

Putin's objective - faithfully executed by Blotus - is to destroy western democracies. I know you're being facetious, but anyway...

Maybe we need to start pleading to Putin to speak out against removing kids from their parents... you know we’d see Trump quickly change his tune then!

And if we were talking about that policy then you would have a point..

But we're not, so you don't.. :D

No moving the goal posts for you.. :D

The decision to remove children from their parents was the idea of White House advisor Stephen Miller, who definitely does not look like a giant cartoon penis come to life!

This is factually not accurate and can you please keep your erectile fantasies to yourself.. :D

Entering the country without proper documentation is a federal misdemeanor.

IE a CRIME....

If a man has his children at the Best Buy and he is caught stealing a radio, guess what happens.. His children are taken from him...

"OH MY GOD, WHAT A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!"
-Marisa Tomei, MY COUSIN VINNY

What purpose does removing the children accomplish?

The same purpose it serves when any crime is committed in the US..

We now have entire facilities being created to hold these children instead of just allowing them to remain with their parents as was the past practice.

Prior to the Bush Administration..

Separating children from illegal immigrant criminals became the policy during the Bush administration and was expanded under the Obama Administration..

Consider this, Russ.. A adult coyote and his wife is taking 5 children across the border to sell into sex slavery..

During the course of their journey, the children are raped by the coyotes... Then they are caught at the border..

And *YOU* want those kids to STAY with that couple???

OH MY GODS!!! WON'T YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

I dunno.. Seems like the best course of action would be to separate the kids from the adults until the FACTS are ascertained..

Hmmmm????

But now that I'm grown, and my pursuits are more intellectual, I'm come to see the value of that little Oil Slick. Okay, ready for the metaphor? That's the value to Trump of his lies.

He knows that the lie "the Democrats started this", for instance, won't stop the Democrats from pointing out the truth eventually. But it's an oil slick - something to slow them down. While they're dealing with that, he can keep moving.

We can discuss Trump's motivation for instituting the policy in the first place - he believes that this is a way to motivate his base for the midterms, obviously. In his speech today, discussion of the election and his immigration policy was all of a single piece - even though we're used to his meandering and topic-jumping when he's off-script, and he doesn't do nuance very well, but this one doesn't require a sherpa: he believes this is a winning election strategy, and said as much today.

And worse, all of this human suffering was probably a fallback position, as in, "if the summit doesn't pan out, we'll push the immigration issue for the mid-terms".

And even if, say, Feinstien's bill garners enough votes to pass both House and Senate, Trump can then go on the campaign trail and claim that he 'fixed' the immigration issue, which can then become the next oil slick that the Democrats have to contend with as they struggle to discuss issues that motivate their base, and not his.

The point of all this is to 'hide the sausage', the sausage in this case being that awful list of Trump 'accomplishments' that Michale posted earlier. Trump Republicans may think that that's all nifty, but don't really want to defend making air dirtier, water nastier, and Wall street richer. They'd much rather wrestle Democrats in the mud of the immigration debate, where their cocksure belligerence is an advantage, and hope that they can turn out the bigots who (by their calculation) won them the last election.

Entering the country without proper documentation is a federal misdemeanor.

What purpose does removing the children accomplish? How are we made safer by ripping a crying two year old from its mother? Well, it greatly inflates the costs of detaining these people. We now have entire facilities being created to hold these children instead of just allowing them to remain with their parents as was the past practice.

Deal?

Hokay, we can try that...

But if there are threats and attacks on my family, all bets are off...

We'll see how it goes...

Just curious if you got any of those "FACTS" you claimed you had...

If those of us who wish to comment without personal attacks and name-calling through the end of the week, at the very least, then we will see by the time we get to ftp who among us are commenters of good will and thoughtful disposition.

Deal?

How did I do that!?

When you type in FTP in conjunction with a punctuation mark, Wordpress creates a hyperlink...

FTP and several periods becomes http://FTP....

FTP and period becomes FTP.

Who will join me?

How about this....

I will join you in CW's post today...

But when the personal attacks start (as you just HAVE to know that they will) then you join ME in petitioning CW to have the rule imposed...

I'll give your way a try and, when it fails, you give my way a try...

Isn't that fair??

Sure it did.. I wasn't around and the personal attacks and name-calling was still going on.. Against CRS and Don and anyone else who didn't toe Victoria's or Paula's line..

What we need to do is comment under our rules and ignore those who do not wish to follow the rules.

And give those ruled by hatred and bigotry?? That won't get us our comment section back.. It will just give them free reign to make it worse..

Asking me to do what your asking is like me asking you to quit attacking President Trump.. It's like me telling you, "Liz, just live by your own rules and President Trump will come around and make America the way you think it should be.."

You KNOW that won't happen..

And letting the scumbag name-callers have free reign in here won't get us our comment section back..

I'm in!

Who will join me?

What we need to do is comment under our rules and ignore those who do not wish to follow the rules.

It's really not that hard.

Nope.. As I have aptly proven beyond ANY doubt by my several month non-response and my MANY months absence....

That simple DOES NOT WORK...

All it does is give the haters and bigots free reign to commit the disgusting and perverted attacks... Hell, even in my ABSENCE personal attacks and name-calling was the standard around here by the likes of Paula and Veronica etc etc...

The *ONLY* way that we can have our comments section back to the way it was is to have the no name calling rule imposed and enforced..

It simply won't happen any other way because those who are the most guilty of it will continue it...

If you really mean that, Michale, then you must join me in following the rules you set out and not worry about what others decide to do or type out.

That is the only way this can begin and grow and, eventually - over a great deal of time, if need be - we'll have a comments section that we can be proud of.

BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

About as credible and reliable as info.wars or breitbart.com... :D

Once again, absolutely NO FACTS to support anything...

He has told at least one person close to him that he may as well let the president do what he wants, even if it leads to impeachment — at least this chapter of American history would come to a close.

Kelly STARTED the process that lead us to concentration camps, and doesn't care about the children. Now he doesn't care about Blotus' fate. Repubs got their tax heist and he got his white supremacist measures. Blotus has served his purpose and is now on borrowed time. Kelly will sit on his hands when the shooting starts and wait for the armed tRumpnazis to be caught and jailed (those still alive). He'll tut tut over the innocent Americans the tRumpnazis hurt or kill, but his shriveled white ass will be safe. If the nazis are defeated he'll sigh heavily and say "it was worth a try."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/19/17478448/john-kelly-gives-up-trump-impeachment

It could be...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/06/15/ftp488/#comment-120233

Would take some effort, but the reward of getting this forum back to the way it was 8-10 years ago would be well worth the effort...

This could be a place for people of good will and thoughtful disposition to engage in enlightened discussion on the issues.

But, a cursory look through the comments sections - any of them - by people of goodwill and thoughtful disposition quickly demonstrates that what passes for enlightened discussion here is little more than name-calling by people who think everything is about them.

In short, this is no place for people of good will and thoughtful dispositions.

Fun fact:

Donald J Trump is President Of The United States

:D

By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

He's a patriot. They are traitors.

Yep... Just like we did in November of 2016!!! :D

Look at the bright side, Paula..

You can still scream at the sky!!! :D

But you are really scared. All the right wingers I know are. They have been feverishly running to their propaganda outlets to feel better, and swallowing the kool aid by the gallon because they struggle to look in a mirror and accept that they voted for these types of policy and participated in the "two minutes of hate" against immigrants.

They are running out of time and they've long since run out of respect-from-the-rest-of-us. They sowed the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

TRANSLATION: NO ONE HAS ANY FACTS TO REFUTE HIS CLAIMS. BETTER TO JUST RUN AWAY AND HIDE!!

I accept your concession.. :D

Attacks and threats on my family in 3.... 2.... 1.....

He isn't worth arguing with - he certainly isn't worth providing proof of anything. He's shown repeatedly he doesn't process information he simply vomits talking points.

We are in a real fight for the survival of this country as a democracy. The tRumpnazis are fewer, they are stupid, they are cowards, but they are also crybabies and bullies. Step away from them. Let them whine to one-another while we work to save our country. Note who they are and remember what they do, but don't waste energy on them. They feed on the energy - they need it from others because they can't generate it on their own. They are are hollow - vampires - they need to make others angry to fuel themselves.

Starve them.

Point to Michale....

I'll be around.. :D

You keep saying that..

But you have absolutely NO FACTS to support your claim..

Whereas I have posted multiple reports that PROVE these policies started with the Bush Administration and/or were in place during Odumbo's administration..

You being lied to, and are desperate, so want us to believe the lies because you are in severe cognitive dissonance.

Says the guy who has NO FACTS to support his claims...

you can't lie to yourself forever unless you are a psychopath.

Says the guy who thinks President Trump didn't really win the election...

This is a new policy implemented by Trump and Sessions. It can be reversed by Trump and Sessions in a minute if they want to.

You being lied to, and are desperate, so want us to believe the lies because you are in severe cognitive dissonance. This is a "grow up" moment - hate hurts people, bigotry fuels hate. Don't fuel your life with hate, it makes your self-image story as being the "good guy" difficult and so you need to double down in victimhood ("everybody else are hypocrites!, it isn't fair to me").

Victimhood is a sad place to be because it leads to self-pity and self-hate in the end - you can't lie to yourself forever unless you are a psychopath.