Comments on: What About All The Others In The White House Without Permanent Security Clearances? http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/ Reality-based political commentary Sun, 10 May 2026 13:21:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115922 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 17 Feb 2018 01:45:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115922 Chris (in response to Michale), <I>But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional." It's all in interpretation, in other words...</I> That is the most sense I've read on this particular aspect of this issue in a very, very long time! Chris (in response to Michale),

But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional."

It's all in interpretation, in other words...

That is the most sense I've read on this particular aspect of this issue in a very, very long time!

]]> By: goode trickle http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115920 goode trickle Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:40:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115920 <I> Facts from today's indictment.. NO AMERICANS WERE KNOWING PARTICIPANTS... Russians worked FOR and AGAINST the Trump Campaign... The outcome of the election was NOT ALTERED IN ANY WAY.... Oh people, people, people.. Did you set your sites sooo high, only to see them crash and burn.... </i> As usual not quite.... for those interested in honest to god real un-adulterated facts. Here is the indictment. https://tinyurl.com/y8cubzv9

Facts from today's indictment..

NO AMERICANS WERE KNOWING PARTICIPANTS...

Russians worked FOR and AGAINST the Trump Campaign...

The outcome of the election was NOT ALTERED IN ANY WAY....

Oh people, people, people.. Did you set your sites sooo high, only to see them crash and burn....

As usual not quite.... for those interested in honest to god real un-adulterated facts. Here is the indictment.

https://tinyurl.com/y8cubzv9

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115919 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:44:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115919 Michale 114 <i>Crazies who want to mass murder people are the problem. With or without guns.. </i> Ah, but "crazies" without AR-15s and similar "military-style" weapons have a whole lot harder time accomplishing mass murder, regardless of whether or not they desire. <i>AND AGAIN with the attacks on family.. :^/ </i> Awwww, come on, snowflake. How is asking you about beating your wife an attack on your family? It quite obviously is NOT; it's a very common example of a loaded question. See CW's Friday Talking Points [471], paragraph 1: http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/09/ftp471/#more-15093 This is exactly the utter nonsensical garbage you constantly employ, e.g. your question: <i>"Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws??"</i> No one here is likely afraid to try mental health laws, but why are you afraid to try removing military grade weapons from the hands of the majority of citizens? Or we could go with your "mental health laws" and let everybody have a <b>tank</b>. I'm up for it. Anyone here mind me owning a fully functional <b>M1</b> with a really excellent gun? Hope not. ;) Michale
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Crazies who want to mass murder people are the problem. With or without guns..

Ah, but "crazies" without AR-15s and similar "military-style" weapons have a whole lot harder time accomplishing mass murder, regardless of whether or not they desire.

AND AGAIN with the attacks on family.. :^/

Awwww, come on, snowflake. How is asking you about beating your wife an attack on your family? It quite obviously is NOT; it's a very common example of a loaded question.

See CW's Friday Talking Points [471], paragraph 1:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/09/ftp471/#more-15093

This is exactly the utter nonsensical garbage you constantly employ, e.g. your question: "Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws??"

No one here is likely afraid to try mental health laws, but why are you afraid to try removing military grade weapons from the hands of the majority of citizens? Or we could go with your "mental health laws" and let everybody have a tank. I'm up for it. Anyone here mind me owning a fully functional M1 with a really excellent gun? Hope not. ;)

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115918 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:23:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115918 <i>Assumes facts not in evidence..</i> Only to math deficient knuckle draggers who refuse to look up the statistics... <i>So, why not give the mental health angle a try... Why are you so against preventing the psychos from getting guns???</i> It's an and problem not an either/or. Mental health services will not alone fix this problem... Assumes facts not in evidence..

Only to math deficient knuckle draggers who refuse to look up the statistics...

So, why not give the mental health angle a try...

Why are you so against preventing the psychos from getting guns???

It's an and problem not an either/or. Mental health services will not alone fix this problem...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115917 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:48:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115917 <I>So you're saying guns are part of the problem.</I> Crazies who want to mass murder people are the problem. With or without guns.. <I>When did you stop beating your wife? :)</I> AND AGAIN with the attacks on family.. :^/ Good bye... So you're saying guns are part of the problem.

Crazies who want to mass murder people are the problem. With or without guns..

When did you stop beating your wife? :)

AND AGAIN with the attacks on family.. :^/

Good bye...

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115916 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:46:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115916 Indictments... I said it before, and I'll say it again... <b>more coming</b>. Pay attention, people. You might learn something. :) Indictments... I said it before, and I'll say it again... more coming.

Pay attention, people. You might learn something. :)

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115915 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:44:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115915 Michale 108 <i>And the gun problem part has been addressed by sensible gun laws... </i> Your opinion. <i>There are no facts to support the claim that MORE gun laws will "fix" the problem.. </i> Your opinion. <i>There is PLENTY of anecdotal and common sense evidence to support the claim that keeping guns out of crazy people's hands will go a long way towards preventing crowd based mass shootings... </i> So you're saying guns are part of the problem. <i>We have tried restrictive gun laws.. Didn't work..</i> Your opinion. <i>Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws?? </i> When did you stop beating your wife? :) Michale
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And the gun problem part has been addressed by sensible gun laws...

Your opinion.

There are no facts to support the claim that MORE gun laws will "fix" the problem..

Your opinion.

There is PLENTY of anecdotal and common sense evidence to support the claim that keeping guns out of crazy people's hands will go a long way towards preventing crowd based mass shootings...

So you're saying guns are part of the problem.

We have tried restrictive gun laws.. Didn't work..

Your opinion.

Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws??

When did you stop beating your wife? :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115914 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:41:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115914 Facts from today's indictment.. <B> NO AMERICANS WERE KNOWING PARTICIPANTS... Russians worked FOR and AGAINST the Trump Campaign... The outcome of the election was NOT ALTERED IN ANY WAY....</B> Oh people, people, people.. Did you set your sites sooo high, only to see them crash and burn.... Facts from today's indictment..

NO AMERICANS WERE KNOWING PARTICIPANTS...

Russians worked FOR and AGAINST the Trump Campaign...

The outcome of the election was NOT ALTERED IN ANY WAY....

Oh people, people, people.. Did you set your sites sooo high, only to see them crash and burn....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115913 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:36:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115913 <I>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. :)</I> In this case, it is.. :D Between Trump's exoneration and the great economy AND Americans getting bonuses and bigger paychecks.... Looks like the mid-terms are gonna be pretty rosy for President Trump and the GOP.. :D Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. :)

In this case, it is.. :D

Between Trump's exoneration and the great economy AND Americans getting bonuses and bigger paychecks....

Looks like the mid-terms are gonna be pretty rosy for President Trump and the GOP.. :D

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115912 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:34:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115912 Michale 106 <i>Looks like Mueller just exonerated President Trump.. :D</i> Looks like Donald Trump lied about Russia being a hoax, and looks like a few indictments does not an entire investigation make. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. :) Michale
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Looks like Mueller just exonerated President Trump.. :D

Looks like Donald Trump lied about Russia being a hoax, and looks like a few indictments does not an entire investigation make.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115911 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:32:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115911 <I>. If some nutcase attacked me with a BB gun, I'd knock his fool ass to the ground.</I> And that has WHAT to do with guns??? <I>I think a good start in solving the "gun problem" would be to admit that it's not an either/or proposition. Guns as well as people are indeed part of the problem. :)</I> And the gun problem part has been addressed by sensible gun laws... There are no facts to support the claim that MORE gun laws will "fix" the problem.. There is PLENTY of anecdotal and common sense evidence to support the claim that keeping guns out of crazy people's hands will go a long way towards preventing crowd based mass shootings... We have tried restrictive gun laws.. Didn't work.. Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws?? . If some nutcase attacked me with a BB gun, I'd knock his fool ass to the ground.

And that has WHAT to do with guns???

I think a good start in solving the "gun problem" would be to admit that it's not an either/or proposition. Guns as well as people are indeed part of the problem. :)

And the gun problem part has been addressed by sensible gun laws...

There are no facts to support the claim that MORE gun laws will "fix" the problem..

There is PLENTY of anecdotal and common sense evidence to support the claim that keeping guns out of crazy people's hands will go a long way towards preventing crowd based mass shootings...

We have tried restrictive gun laws.. Didn't work..

Why are you so afraid to try mental health laws??

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115910 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:28:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115910 Michale 103 <i>In that regard fire, like a gun, is a tool... Thank you for proving my point... </i> I didn't prove your point. You said you could prove guns weren't "truly the problem." Some weapons are "truly the problem" and require a professional with a bigger weapon. If some nutcase attacked me with a BB gun, I'd knock his fool ass to the ground. I think a good start in solving the "gun problem" would be to admit that it's not an either/or proposition. Guns as well as people are indeed part of the problem. :) Michale
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In that regard fire, like a gun, is a tool...

Thank you for proving my point...

I didn't prove your point. You said you could prove guns weren't "truly the problem." Some weapons are "truly the problem" and require a professional with a bigger weapon. If some nutcase attacked me with a BB gun, I'd knock his fool ass to the ground.

I think a good start in solving the "gun problem" would be to admit that it's not an either/or proposition. Guns as well as people are indeed part of the problem. :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115909 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:22:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115909 And in other news... <B>DOJ indicts 13 Russians for election meddling, says no Americans were 'knowing participants'</B> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html Looks like Mueller just exonerated President Trump.. :D And in other news...

DOJ indicts 13 Russians for election meddling, says no Americans were 'knowing participants'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html

Looks like Mueller just exonerated President Trump.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115908 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:16:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115908 <I>Guns are the problem. You arm everyone and you might lessen mass shootings a bit, but the lives saved would be a drop in the bucket compared to the additional deaths due to non-mass shootings and suicides.</I> Assumes facts not in evidence.. We know that restrictive gun laws don't work.. Chicago, Baltimore, DC... So, why not give the mental health angle a try... Why are you so against preventing the psychos from getting guns??? Guns are the problem. You arm everyone and you might lessen mass shootings a bit, but the lives saved would be a drop in the bucket compared to the additional deaths due to non-mass shootings and suicides.

Assumes facts not in evidence..

We know that restrictive gun laws don't work.. Chicago, Baltimore, DC...

So, why not give the mental health angle a try...

Why are you so against preventing the psychos from getting guns???

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115907 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:09:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115907 Guns are the problem. You arm everyone and you might lessen mass shootings a bit, but the lives saved would be a drop in the bucket compared to the additional deaths due to non-mass shootings and suicides. Mass shootings garner headlines but it's the average of 37 people who also died that day due to gun violence, and the next day, and yesterday, and today and tomorrow and the day after. Triple that if you include suicides. That is the problem. Statistically you are the greatest threat to yourself with a gun, followed by a family member or friend, followed by an acquaintance or business associate. Way, way down the list is being shot by a random person... Guns are the problem. You arm everyone and you might lessen mass shootings a bit, but the lives saved would be a drop in the bucket compared to the additional deaths due to non-mass shootings and suicides. Mass shootings garner headlines but it's the average of 37 people who also died that day due to gun violence, and the next day, and yesterday, and today and tomorrow and the day after. Triple that if you include suicides. That is the problem. Statistically you are the greatest threat to yourself with a gun, followed by a family member or friend, followed by an acquaintance or business associate. Way, way down the list is being shot by a random person...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115906 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:06:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115906 <I>Professional firefighters also fight fires by setting other fires, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that the fire isn't "truly the problem." :)</I> In that regard fire, like a gun, is a tool... Thank you for proving my point... Professional firefighters also fight fires by setting other fires, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that the fire isn't "truly the problem." :)

In that regard fire, like a gun, is a tool...

Thank you for proving my point...

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115905 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:03:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115905 <i>If you have a problem with an armed crazy, what's the first thing you do.. You call a person with a gun to come help you... If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right?? Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem... </i> Professional firefighters also fight fires by setting other fires, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that the fire isn't "truly the problem." :) If you have a problem with an armed crazy, what's the first thing you do..

You call a person with a gun to come help you...

If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right??

Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem...

Professional firefighters also fight fires by setting other fires, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that the fire isn't "truly the problem." :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115904 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:59:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115904 <I>If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right?? Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem...</I> How many crowd based mass shootings do you hear about in a Police Station?? Or a National Guard Armory?? Obviously the presence or prevelance of guns is NOT a determining factor... I can tell you what IS a determining factor.. Gun Free Zones... With one or two exceptions, ALL Crowd Based Mass Shootings have taken place in gun free zones... Obviously the logical inference is that if we get rid of gun free zones, the number of Crowd Based Mass Shootings will go down... Here's another interesting stat for you.. In Crowd Based Mass Shootings where no one in the crowd was armed, the average casualty rate is ll... In Crowd Based Mass Shootings where one or more of the crowd was armed?? The average casualty rate is 4... Once again, the FACTS clearly indicate that it's a myth that a good guy with a gun is a myth... If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right??

Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem...

How many crowd based mass shootings do you hear about in a Police Station?? Or a National Guard Armory??

Obviously the presence or prevelance of guns is NOT a determining factor...

I can tell you what IS a determining factor..

Gun Free Zones...

With one or two exceptions, ALL Crowd Based Mass Shootings have taken place in gun free zones...

Obviously the logical inference is that if we get rid of gun free zones, the number of Crowd Based Mass Shootings will go down...

Here's another interesting stat for you..

In Crowd Based Mass Shootings where no one in the crowd was armed, the average casualty rate is ll...

In Crowd Based Mass Shootings where one or more of the crowd was armed?? The average casualty rate is 4...

Once again, the FACTS clearly indicate that it's a myth that a good guy with a gun is a myth...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115902 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:43:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115902 CRS, Thank you for a spot of sanity here in the People's Republic Of Weigantia... <I>Yeah, the crazy people are the problem, but they're a helluva lot tougher to deal with than the tools they're using.</I> Troo.. Absolutely troo... So, let's take steps to make sure those crazy people CAN'T GET those tools, eh?? Com'on!!! You and I!! Let's do it!! <I>Problem is, crazy ain't against the law. You can only deal with the crazies AFTER all the other people are dead, and then, it's too late!</I> And owning a gun isn't against the law either.. Matter of fact, it's the anti-thesis of "against the law".. It's enshrined as a Constitutional right.. So, if it's a choice between mental health laws and laws on a Constitutional Right... Well, I think the choice is clear... Especially since it can be proven beyond ANY doubt that guns are not the problem... HOw??? I am glad you asked.. If you have a problem with an armed crazy, what's the first thing you do.. You call a person with a gun to come help you... If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right?? Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem... CRS,
Thank you for a spot of sanity here in the People's Republic Of Weigantia...

Yeah, the crazy people are the problem, but they're a helluva lot tougher to deal with than the tools they're using.

Troo.. Absolutely troo...

So, let's take steps to make sure those crazy people CAN'T GET those tools, eh??

Com'on!!! You and I!! Let's do it!!

Problem is, crazy ain't against the law. You can only deal with the crazies AFTER all the other people are dead, and then, it's too late!

And owning a gun isn't against the law either.. Matter of fact, it's the anti-thesis of "against the law".. It's enshrined as a Constitutional right..

So, if it's a choice between mental health laws and laws on a Constitutional Right...

Well, I think the choice is clear...

Especially since it can be proven beyond ANY doubt that guns are not the problem...

HOw???

I am glad you asked..

If you have a problem with an armed crazy, what's the first thing you do..

You call a person with a gun to come help you...

If guns are truly the problem, then YOU would be crazy to call a person that has ANOTHER gun, right??

Ergo, GUNS aren't the problem...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115901 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:39:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115901 And for the FBI, the hits just keep on coming... We now come to learn that not only was the FBI notified in Sep of 2017 that the Parkland scumbag shooter expressed an intent to shoot up a school.. NOW it's been learned that the FBI got a specific tip about the person with full info on how to find him a month ago... I guess the FBI was too consumed with chasing phantom Russian Collusion than to be concerned about actually saving innocent people's lives... And for the FBI, the hits just keep on coming...

We now come to learn that not only was the FBI notified in Sep of 2017 that the Parkland scumbag shooter expressed an intent to shoot up a school..

NOW it's been learned that the FBI got a specific tip about the person with full info on how to find him a month ago...

I guess the FBI was too consumed with chasing phantom Russian Collusion than to be concerned about actually saving innocent people's lives...

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115900 C. R. Stucki Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:28:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115900 Michael [91] Yeah, the crazy people are the problem, but they're a helluva lot tougher to deal with than the tools they're using. Problem is, crazy ain't against the law. You can only deal with the crazies AFTER all the other people are dead, and then, it's too late! Michael [91]

Yeah, the crazy people are the problem, but they're a helluva lot tougher to deal with than the tools they're using.

Problem is, crazy ain't against the law. You can only deal with the crazies AFTER all the other people are dead, and then, it's too late!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115899 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:05:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115899 <I> A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH.</I> <B>FBI report shows importance of armed citizens in stopping mass murder sprees</B> https://www.naturalnews.com/047378_murder_sprees_armed_citizens_FBI_report.html And yet, HUNDREDS of innocent people have been saved due to that "macho fantasy"... Of course, you don't care about those lives being saved because it TOTALLY DESTROYS your bullshit and hysterical anti-gun narrative... Now I am going to take my own advice and step away from the keyboard for a few.. Your kind makes me physically ill... A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH.

FBI report shows importance of armed citizens in stopping mass murder sprees
https://www.naturalnews.com/047378_murder_sprees_armed_citizens_FBI_report.html

And yet, HUNDREDS of innocent people have been saved due to that "macho fantasy"...

Of course, you don't care about those lives being saved because it TOTALLY DESTROYS your bullshit and hysterical anti-gun narrative...

Now I am going to take my own advice and step away from the keyboard for a few.. Your kind makes me physically ill...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115898 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:58:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115898 <I>Hollywood is NOT real life.</I> July 18 1984... Don't you dare try and tell me what is and isn't real life, son.. You piddle around as a keyboard warrior and I was out there facing these issues IN REAL LIFE.. How many Crowd Based Mass Shootings have YOU been part of?? So, frak off and die and don't you dare lecture me on what is and is not real life.. You don't have the experience to do so... Hollywood is NOT real life.

July 18 1984...

Don't you dare try and tell me what is and isn't real life, son..

You piddle around as a keyboard warrior and I was out there facing these issues IN REAL LIFE..

How many Crowd Based Mass Shootings have YOU been part of??

So, frak off and die and don't you dare lecture me on what is and is not real life..

You don't have the experience to do so...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115897 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:43:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115897 <I>This recent shooting it seems everyone knew the guy was off but that is not always the case...</I> It rarely is NOT the case... <B>CHARLESTON MASSACRE: MENTAL ILLNESS COMMON THREAD FOR MASS SHOOTINGS</B> http://www.newsweek.com/charleston-massacre-mental-illness-common-thread-mass-shootings-344789 I get it.. Democrats really DON'T want address mass shootings because it gives them a political woody every time a bunch of people are killed by a psycho with a gun.. I get it... Democrats would rather exploit the problem than fix it... This recent shooting it seems everyone knew the guy was off but that is not always the case...

It rarely is NOT the case...

CHARLESTON MASSACRE: MENTAL ILLNESS COMMON THREAD FOR MASS SHOOTINGS
http://www.newsweek.com/charleston-massacre-mental-illness-common-thread-mass-shootings-344789

I get it.. Democrats really DON'T want address mass shootings because it gives them a political woody every time a bunch of people are killed by a psycho with a gun..

I get it... Democrats would rather exploit the problem than fix it...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115896 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:41:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115896 <I>BULLSHIT. How many school boards can't hire or retain enough qualified teachers now because they won't pay or can't afford to pay a high enough salary? You want to add to the financial burden on top of that by requiring school districts to pay for a gun and training teachers in their use as well, really??? Good luck with that!</I> I didn't address the economic issues. *MY* only concern was saving children's lives.. I am not surprised that you put economics over that.. <I>MORE BULLSHIT. Trump just REPEALED an OBAMA regulation that would kept more guns out of more people with mental health issues.</I> You mean "mental health issues" like not being able to balance their check book!??? <B>**THAT**</B> is what you call "mental health issues"??? It was FAST AND FURIOUS-lite.. An end run around the 2nd Amendment... Even the ACLU joined President Trump in getting rid of that travesty and obvious Odumbo ploy to restrict gun ownership... <I>ALSO BULLSHIT. The school had a resource officer with a gun in school. He did NOT prevent CRUZ from killing 17 people. A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH. It's part of the toxic masculinity bullshit regarding gun ownership that is causing this mess in the first place. You are NOT Matt Dillon or Dirty Harry, and never will be. Hollywood is NOT real life.</I> And you are being hysterical and hate-filled... Economics over children's lives?? Really??? You are not in a position to have a rational debate right now.. Take a step away from your keyboard and calm down.. Come back when you can be rational.. BULLSHIT. How many school boards can't hire or retain enough qualified teachers now because they won't pay or can't afford to pay a high enough salary? You want to add to the financial burden on top of that by requiring school districts to pay for a gun and training teachers in their use as well, really??? Good luck with that!

I didn't address the economic issues.

*MY* only concern was saving children's lives..

I am not surprised that you put economics over that..

MORE BULLSHIT. Trump just REPEALED an OBAMA regulation that would kept more guns out of more people with mental health issues.

You mean "mental health issues" like not being able to balance their check book!???

**THAT** is what you call "mental health issues"???

It was FAST AND FURIOUS-lite.. An end run around the 2nd Amendment...

Even the ACLU joined President Trump in getting rid of that travesty and obvious Odumbo ploy to restrict gun ownership...

ALSO BULLSHIT. The school had a resource officer with a gun in school. He did NOT prevent CRUZ from killing 17 people. A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH. It's part of the toxic masculinity bullshit regarding gun ownership that is causing this mess in the first place. You are NOT Matt Dillon or Dirty Harry, and never will be. Hollywood is NOT real life.

And you are being hysterical and hate-filled... Economics over children's lives?? Really???

You are not in a position to have a rational debate right now.. Take a step away from your keyboard and calm down..

Come back when you can be rational..

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115894 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:31:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115894 <i>ADDRESS THE CRAZY PEOPLE...</i> The problem is: how do you determine who is crazy? Most of the "postal" style workplace shooters were fairly normal until they snapped. This recent shooting it seems everyone knew the guy was off but that is not always the case... ADDRESS THE CRAZY PEOPLE...

The problem is: how do you determine who is crazy? Most of the "postal" style workplace shooters were fairly normal until they snapped. This recent shooting it seems everyone knew the guy was off but that is not always the case...

]]> By: John M http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115893 John M Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:26:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115893 [82] Michale "You want to stop school shootings specifically? Arm the teachers.." BULLSHIT. How many school boards can't hire or retain enough qualified teachers now because they won't pay or can't afford to pay a high enough salary? You want to add to the financial burden on top of that by requiring school districts to pay for a gun and training teachers in their use as well, really??? Good luck with that! "You want to stop mass murder incidents in general?? Create a convergence of mental health databases with gun own/carry applications.." MORE BULLSHIT. Trump just REPEALED an OBAMA regulation that would kept more guns out of more people with mental health issues. "I know from personal experience that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun..." ALSO BULLSHIT. The school had a resource officer with a gun in school. He did NOT prevent CRUZ from killing 17 people. A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH. It's part of the toxic masculinity bullshit regarding gun ownership that is causing this mess in the first place. You are NOT Matt Dillon or Dirty Harry, and never will be. Hollywood is NOT real life. [82] Michale

"You want to stop school shootings specifically? Arm the teachers.."

BULLSHIT. How many school boards can't hire or retain enough qualified teachers now because they won't pay or can't afford to pay a high enough salary? You want to add to the financial burden on top of that by requiring school districts to pay for a gun and training teachers in their use as well, really??? Good luck with that!

"You want to stop mass murder incidents in general??

Create a convergence of mental health databases with gun own/carry applications.."

MORE BULLSHIT. Trump just REPEALED an OBAMA regulation that would kept more guns out of more people with mental health issues.

"I know from personal experience that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun..."

ALSO BULLSHIT. The school had a resource officer with a gun in school. He did NOT prevent CRUZ from killing 17 people. A good guy with a gun is a macho fantasy MYTH. It's part of the toxic masculinity bullshit regarding gun ownership that is causing this mess in the first place. You are NOT Matt Dillon or Dirty Harry, and never will be. Hollywood is NOT real life.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115892 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:10:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115892 <I>I really only have ONE thought on the whole gawdam problem - we've gotta bring an end to the mass murders committed by crazy people. </I> And, as you state the problem, the solution becomes abundantly clear.. ADDRESS THE CRAZY PEOPLE... <I>I don't like the idea of national registry,</I> I don't mind it because there already is a national registry... ATF Form 4473... <I>I don't think bump-stocks should even exist,</I> I pray to non-existent gods every night, thanking them that the Vegas scumbag shooter used bump stocks... If he hadn't, the casualty rate would have been quadrupled.... <I> they're NOT the ones committing mass murders.</I> That is not factually accurate... Of the approx 163 guns that were present/used in Crowd Based Mass Shootings, almost one hundred of them were handguns... You see, that's my point about "assault" rifles... Put you and me in a holodeck with Ferengi and I can take down as many Ferengi with my Glocks that you can with an AR15... Or give me a really souped up 4x4 car and I can do WAY more damage with that than you can with 2 AR15s with 50 round mags and bump stocks... The choice of TOOL is meaningless.. The *ONLY* way to competently address the issue with ANY hope of success is to address the CRAZY PERSON and not the tool he or she chooses... THAT is the entire point of all my comments.. I really only have ONE thought on the whole gawdam problem - we've gotta bring an end to the mass murders committed by crazy people.

And, as you state the problem, the solution becomes abundantly clear..

ADDRESS THE CRAZY PEOPLE...

I don't like the idea of national registry,

I don't mind it because there already is a national registry...

ATF Form 4473...

I don't think bump-stocks should even exist,

I pray to non-existent gods every night, thanking them that the Vegas scumbag shooter used bump stocks...

If he hadn't, the casualty rate would have been quadrupled....

they're NOT the ones committing mass murders.

That is not factually accurate...

Of the approx 163 guns that were present/used in Crowd Based Mass Shootings, almost one hundred of them were handguns...

You see, that's my point about "assault" rifles... Put you and me in a holodeck with Ferengi and I can take down as many Ferengi with my Glocks that you can with an AR15...

Or give me a really souped up 4x4 car and I can do WAY more damage with that than you can with 2 AR15s with 50 round mags and bump stocks...

The choice of TOOL is meaningless..

The *ONLY* way to competently address the issue with ANY hope of success is to address the CRAZY PERSON and not the tool he or she chooses...

THAT is the entire point of all my comments..

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115891 C. R. Stucki Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:00:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115891 Michale [89] I really only have ONE thought on the whole gawdam problem - we've gotta bring an end to the mass murders committed by crazy people. There's no sense in me offering specifics/details that only deal with the problem by nibbling around the edges. I don't like the idea of national registry, I don't think legitimate long-guns even have any need for detachable magazines, regardless of capacity, I don't think bump-stocks should even exist, and don't worry about concealed carry folks, they're NOT the ones committing mass murders. Michale [89]

I really only have ONE thought on the whole gawdam problem - we've gotta bring an end to the mass murders committed by crazy people. There's no sense in me offering specifics/details that only deal with the problem by nibbling around the edges.

I don't like the idea of national registry, I don't think legitimate long-guns even have any need for detachable magazines, regardless of capacity, I don't think bump-stocks should even exist, and don't worry about concealed carry folks, they're NOT the ones committing mass murders.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115890 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:37:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115890 CRS... On another forum I have been debating a guy who proposes these new gun laws.. 1. A national registry 2. Mag Cap limitation 3. Ban on Bump Stocks And in return for these, Democrats agree to 50-State reciprocity on all Conceal/Carry permits... What's yer thoughts on that?? CRS...

On another forum I have been debating a guy who proposes these new gun laws..

1. A national registry

2. Mag Cap limitation

3. Ban on Bump Stocks

And in return for these, Democrats agree to 50-State reciprocity on all Conceal/Carry permits...

What's yer thoughts on that??

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115889 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:35:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115889 <i>Yea, tell yourself that you can go up against the might of the NSA and prevail.. :D</i> You need to watch fewer movies and learn more tech...and probably a bit of history as well starting with Bletchley Park... Yea, tell yourself that you can go up against the might of the NSA and prevail.. :D

You need to watch fewer movies and learn more tech...and probably a bit of history as well starting with Bletchley Park...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115888 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:25:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115888 <I>We already live in that world, sunshine... No we don't.</I> Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.. <I>If one takes the proper precautions, it would take enough time, money, manpower, and subpoena's to find the author of a single post that the authorities are unlikely to even try, and certainly not "within the hour".</I> Yea, tell yourself that you can go up against the might of the NSA and prevail.. :D Whatever you have to do to make it thru your day :D We already live in that world, sunshine...

No we don't.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night..

If one takes the proper precautions, it would take enough time, money, manpower, and subpoena's to find the author of a single post that the authorities are unlikely to even try, and certainly not "within the hour".

Yea, tell yourself that you can go up against the might of the NSA and prevail.. :D

Whatever you have to do to make it thru your day :D

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115887 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:21:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115887 <i>We already live in that world, sunshine...</i> No we don't. <i>You make a post in this forum about causing harm to a certain chief executive and you can bet the FBI will be at your door within the hour...</i> If one takes the proper precautions, it would take enough time, money, manpower, and subpoena's to find the author of a single post that the authorities are unlikely to even try, and certainly not "within the hour". We already live in that world, sunshine...

No we don't.

You make a post in this forum about causing harm to a certain chief executive and you can bet the FBI will be at your door within the hour...

If one takes the proper precautions, it would take enough time, money, manpower, and subpoena's to find the author of a single post that the authorities are unlikely to even try, and certainly not "within the hour".

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115886 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:20:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115886 <I>Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized!</I> Heh Troo dat... :D Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized!

Heh Troo dat... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115885 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:07:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115885 <I>Do we really want to live in a world where law enforcement can easily find and investigate the author of a single forum comment?</I> We already live in that world, sunshine... You make a post in this forum about causing harm to a certain chief executive and you can bet the FBI will be at your door within the hour... You can also bet if this scumbag had made a comment about having PROOF that President Trump colluded with the Russians, the FBI would have been at his door within a few minutes... It's a brave new world, sunshine.. :D Do we really want to live in a world where law enforcement can easily find and investigate the author of a single forum comment?

We already live in that world, sunshine...

You make a post in this forum about causing harm to a certain chief executive and you can bet the FBI will be at your door within the hour...

You can also bet if this scumbag had made a comment about having PROOF that President Trump colluded with the Russians, the FBI would have been at his door within a few minutes...

It's a brave new world, sunshine.. :D

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115884 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:04:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115884 <i>Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized!</i> What a frighteningly moronic thing to say. You need to get out more and interact with people from a wider variety of view points... Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized!

What a frighteningly moronic thing to say. You need to get out more and interact with people from a wider variety of view points...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115883 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:02:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115883 <I>You think gun law solutions not feasible, mental-health laws would be infinitely more unrealistic as far as eliminating mass murder.</I> I do... You want to stop school shootings specifically? Arm the teachers.. You want to stop mass murder incidents in general?? Create a convergence of mental health databases with gun own/carry applications.. I have carried since I was 17 years old... Almost 40 years... I know from personal experience that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun... Going after the tools of the 'trade' won't do anything but force the determined to seek other tools... It's only by going after the PERSON can there be a reasonable chance of success in stopping these atrocities from happening... You think gun law solutions not feasible, mental-health laws would be infinitely more unrealistic as far as eliminating mass murder.

I do...

You want to stop school shootings specifically? Arm the teachers..

You want to stop mass murder incidents in general??

Create a convergence of mental health databases with gun own/carry applications..

I have carried since I was 17 years old... Almost 40 years...

I know from personal experience that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun...

Going after the tools of the 'trade' won't do anything but force the determined to seek other tools...

It's only by going after the PERSON can there be a reasonable chance of success in stopping these atrocities from happening...

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115882 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:01:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115882 <i>Looks like the FBI dropped the ball...</i> Do we really want to live in a world where law enforcement can easily find and investigate the author of a single forum comment? Looks like the FBI dropped the ball...

Do we really want to live in a world where law enforcement can easily find and investigate the author of a single forum comment?

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115881 C. R. Stucki Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:55:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115881 Michale You think gun law solutions not feasible, mental-health laws would be infinitely more unrealistic as far as eliminating mass murder. Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized! Michale

You think gun law solutions not feasible, mental-health laws would be infinitely more unrealistic as far as eliminating mass murder.

Anyway, if broad-based mental-health laws got enacted, we wouldn't have anybody to argue politics with. Our Dem/Lib buddies would all be institutionalized!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115880 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:53:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115880 https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fbis-near-brush-with-suspect-in-fla-school-shooting-draws-scrutiny/2018/02/15/e4d09b92-1275-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_floridawarnings-935pm-winner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6f7446464d73 Looks like the FBI dropped the ball... Too busy chasing the phantom Russian Collusion BS instead of yunno actually PROTECTING American lives.. :^/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/fbis-near-brush-with-suspect-in-fla-school-shooting-draws-scrutiny/2018/02/15/e4d09b92-1275-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_floridawarnings-935pm-winner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6f7446464d73

Looks like the FBI dropped the ball...

Too busy chasing the phantom Russian Collusion BS instead of yunno actually PROTECTING American lives.. :^/

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115879 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:45:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115879 Gotcha ;D Gotcha ;D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115878 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:45:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115878 <I>I have trouble imagining a single shot break action or clipless bolt action gun being used as an "assault" gun...</I> Really?? If you shoot at someone with it or hit someone over the head with it, what's the charge?? <B>ASSAULT</B> :D I have trouble imagining a single shot break action or clipless bolt action gun being used as an "assault" gun...

Really??

If you shoot at someone with it or hit someone over the head with it, what's the charge??

ASSAULT :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115877 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:42:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115877 <I>What do you think about LawGiver SMART handguns that are DNA encoded??? </I> Ya know, the Lawgiver?? The gun from that AWESOME Sly Stallone movie JUDGE DREDD.... <I>Michale runs and hides before the Grand Poobah can bitch-slap him silly.. </I> :D What do you think about LawGiver SMART handguns that are DNA encoded???

Ya know, the Lawgiver?? The gun from that AWESOME Sly Stallone movie JUDGE DREDD....

Michale runs and hides before the Grand Poobah can bitch-slap him silly..

:D

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115876 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:37:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115876 <i>ALL guns can be "assault" guns...</i> I have trouble imagining a single shot break action or clipless bolt action gun being used as an "assault" gun... ALL guns can be "assault" guns...

I have trouble imagining a single shot break action or clipless bolt action gun being used as an "assault" gun...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115875 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:33:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115875 <I>Any gun person an easily differentiate military from civilian/sporting. It would kinda be like paraphrasing that old 'pornography' thing, "We don't know how to define it, but we all know it when we see it".</I> So basically, if it LOOKS military, it's an assault rifle?? :D Sorry, I was going for humor.. :D Epic fail, yes I know. But, you raise the exact point I am making.. ALL guns can be "assault" guns... <I>Re "New Law" 1) No assault-type/military oriented long guns. </I> If you can't define it, you can't make a law against it.. It's a rule, I think.. :D <I>2) Max 4 round capacity for center-fire long guns.</I> Completely irrelevant.. And very easy to prove... Let's you and I hook up at a range.. You have a rifle with 2 20 round magazines and I have the exact same rifle with 10 4 round clips... At the word FIRE, we start firing... I would be done with my firing and in the club house enjoying a beer before you were halfway thru your second mag... And anyone with a modicum of training, even self training, could get close to such a feat... Mag capacity is a placebo law.. a WIBN law.. Gives one the satisfaction of having done SOMETHING, but has absolutely no impact on reality... <I> 3) Long-guns must be engineered to fire backwards when pointed at a human target.</I> Oooooo A "smart" bullet.. Yea, it's feasible.. Have the bullet infused with an AI that can detect when the bullet is being fired for nefarious and/or illegal reasons.. I like it.. But we're not there yet... What do you think about LawGiver SMART handguns that are DNA encoded??? We actually have that now... Regardless, the central point remains.. Any law that CAN be passed under the auspices of the 2nd Amendment HAS been passed... There's nothing left in the cupboard as far as gun laws are concerned.. So, what's left?? Mental Health laws... Any gun person an easily differentiate military from civilian/sporting. It would kinda be like paraphrasing that old 'pornography' thing, "We don't know how to define it, but we all know it when we see it".

So basically, if it LOOKS military, it's an assault rifle?? :D

Sorry, I was going for humor.. :D

Epic fail, yes I know.

But, you raise the exact point I am making..

ALL guns can be "assault" guns...

Re "New Law" 1) No assault-type/military oriented long guns.

If you can't define it, you can't make a law against it.. It's a rule, I think.. :D

2) Max 4 round capacity for center-fire long guns.

Completely irrelevant..

And very easy to prove...

Let's you and I hook up at a range.. You have a rifle with 2 20 round magazines and I have the exact same rifle with 10 4 round clips...

At the word FIRE, we start firing...

I would be done with my firing and in the club house enjoying a beer before you were halfway thru your second mag...

And anyone with a modicum of training, even self training, could get close to such a feat...

Mag capacity is a placebo law.. a WIBN law.. Gives one the satisfaction of having done SOMETHING, but has absolutely no impact on reality...

3) Long-guns must be engineered to fire backwards when pointed at a human target.

Oooooo A "smart" bullet.. Yea, it's feasible.. Have the bullet infused with an AI that can detect when the bullet is being fired for nefarious and/or illegal reasons.. I like it..

But we're not there yet...

What do you think about LawGiver SMART handguns that are DNA encoded??? We actually have that now...

Regardless, the central point remains..

Any law that CAN be passed under the auspices of the 2nd Amendment HAS been passed...

There's nothing left in the cupboard as far as gun laws are concerned..

So, what's left??

Mental Health laws...

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115874 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:27:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115874 Chris- <i>OK, how many of the hunting brand guns are foreign and how many are still American brands? I'm just curious, because you seem to be describing a trend here...</i> It's more market penetration of all guns. All the foreign brands, much like cars, have always been here but they are more popular now. Glock being the prime example. As far as hunting goes, I have only an anecdotal example: My uncle shoots almost exclusively Beretta shotguns where he used to shoot more american brands. Chris-

OK, how many of the hunting brand guns are foreign and how many are still American brands? I'm just curious, because you seem to be describing a trend here...

It's more market penetration of all guns. All the foreign brands, much like cars, have always been here but they are more popular now. Glock being the prime example. As far as hunting goes, I have only an anecdotal example: My uncle shoots almost exclusively Beretta shotguns where he used to shoot more american brands.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115873 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:21:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115873 TS 60 <i>It is no accident that the 2nd amendment begins with the phrase "A well-regulated militia" It is also no accident that the gun lobbyists and their attendant retinue of judicial,political and media whores routinely cover half the law in editorial whiteout. </i> It is also no accident that the "whores" routinely cover a partial ruling of the Supreme Court in "editorial whiteout" {well done, TS} as well, obscuring the fact that the Supreme Court also ruled that the "right to keep and bear arms" <b>is subject to regulation</b>, such as: * limits on the rights of the mentally ill and felons * concealed weapons prohibitions * laws imposing conditions on commercial sales * laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations * prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. The Supreme Court in their decision also stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment, and anyone that tries to convince anyone else otherwise is either ignorant or obfuscating. :) TS
60

It is no accident that the 2nd amendment begins with the phrase "A well-regulated militia" It is also no accident that the gun lobbyists and their attendant retinue of judicial,political and media whores routinely cover half the law in editorial whiteout.

It is also no accident that the "whores" routinely cover a partial ruling of the Supreme Court in "editorial whiteout" {well done, TS} as well, obscuring the fact that the Supreme Court also ruled that the "right to keep and bear arms" is subject to regulation, such as:
* limits on the rights of the mentally ill and felons
* concealed weapons prohibitions
* laws imposing conditions on commercial sales
* laws forbidding the carrying of weapons in certain locations
* prohibitions on the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

The Supreme Court in their decision also stated that this was not an exhaustive list of the regulatory measures that would be presumptively permissible under the Second Amendment, and anyone that tries to convince anyone else otherwise is either ignorant or obfuscating. :)

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115872 C. R. Stucki Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:20:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115872 Michale Re "Assault" terminology. Of course, it's pretty much an arbitrary description, but so would any possible alternative be. I'd go with such descriptors as 'short' (by shoulder-firing standards), 'small calibre', rapid-fire', 'military oriented', 'high-capacity', etc. Whatever we come up with, it would just have to be an 'agreed-upon' type of definition. Any gun person an easily differentiate military from civilian/sporting. It would kinda be like paraphrasing that old 'pornography' thing, "We don't know how to define it, but we all know it when we see it". Re "New Law" 1) No assault-type/military oriented long guns. 2) Max 4 round capacity for center-fire long guns. 3) Long-guns must be engineered to fire backwards when pointed at a human target. (OK, that last one might not be feasible, but great idea.) Michale

Re "Assault" terminology. Of course, it's pretty much an arbitrary description, but so would any possible alternative be. I'd go with such descriptors as 'short' (by shoulder-firing standards), 'small calibre', rapid-fire', 'military oriented', 'high-capacity', etc. Whatever we come up with, it would just have to be an 'agreed-upon' type of definition.

Any gun person an easily differentiate military from civilian/sporting. It would kinda be like paraphrasing that old 'pornography' thing, "We don't know how to define it, but we all know it when we see it".

Re "New Law" 1) No assault-type/military oriented long guns. 2) Max 4 round capacity for center-fire long guns. 3) Long-guns must be engineered to fire backwards when pointed at a human target.

(OK, that last one might not be feasible, but great idea.)

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115871 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:07:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115871 If you want to kick the gun industry in the gut, do absolutely nothing, as counter-intuitive as that is. When gun nuts feel safe, they sit on their guns, if they don't they buy guns. The arms industry is not going to go away but we could see quite some contraction if the current levels of gun sales are maintained. Don't stir the pot, keep the gun enthusiasts and those they influence nice and comfy... Otherwise, personally I think the 2nd amendment does buy this country something. We are uninvadable. Even if we drop the military to pre-WWI levels, we would give generals that thought to invade nightmares. Think Afghanistan, but instead of arms pouring in to arm particular groups, every man woman and child having a gun and most importantly, the ammunition to use it. That may not a valuable trait in the modern world. But along with the third amendment, it's something I would be very hesitant to get rid of. We live in a fragile world that could and probably will go to shit in the future. Those two amendments might turn out to be valuable. On the other hand, I think the first half of the 2nd amendment could be used to help the problem. Institute a militia. Anyone who owns a gun must register with the militia. They must go through gun safety courses and a heavily watered down version of basic training. They must submit a list of all guns owned on a reoccurring basis so the militia can determine which owned guns would be most appropriate for a primary and if available a secondary weapon. Those guns would have to be inspected regularly to make sure they were safe, clean and battle ready. All militia members are required to meet at least yearly for the aforementioned weapon inspection and continued training, as well as shooting contests, and other more fun activities. "A well regulated Militia" is a huge blanket that a very wide array of regulation can be imposed and still be constitutional, but there has to be an actual militia for it to work. If you want to kick the gun industry in the gut, do absolutely nothing, as counter-intuitive as that is. When gun nuts feel safe, they sit on their guns, if they don't they buy guns. The arms industry is not going to go away but we could see quite some contraction if the current levels of gun sales are maintained. Don't stir the pot, keep the gun enthusiasts and those they influence nice and comfy...

Otherwise, personally I think the 2nd amendment does buy this country something. We are uninvadable. Even if we drop the military to pre-WWI levels, we would give generals that thought to invade nightmares. Think Afghanistan, but instead of arms pouring in to arm particular groups, every man woman and child having a gun and most importantly, the ammunition to use it. That may not a valuable trait in the modern world. But along with the third amendment, it's something I would be very hesitant to get rid of. We live in a fragile world that could and probably will go to shit in the future. Those two amendments might turn out to be valuable.

On the other hand, I think the first half of the 2nd amendment could be used to help the problem. Institute a militia. Anyone who owns a gun must register with the militia. They must go through gun safety courses and a heavily watered down version of basic training. They must submit a list of all guns owned on a reoccurring basis so the militia can determine which owned guns would be most appropriate for a primary and if available a secondary weapon. Those guns would have to be inspected regularly to make sure they were safe, clean and battle ready. All militia members are required to meet at least yearly for the aforementioned weapon inspection and continued training, as well as shooting contests, and other more fun activities. "A well regulated Militia" is a huge blanket that a very wide array of regulation can be imposed and still be constitutional, but there has to be an actual militia for it to work.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115869 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:40:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115869 <I> at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem.</I> Comment #57 above give you the opportunity to do just that... Have at it.. :D at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem.

Comment #57 above give you the opportunity to do just that...

Have at it.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115868 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:39:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115868 <I>It's a media construct that has little to do with reality...</I> It's a media/political construct that has little to do with reality... It's a media construct that has little to do with reality...

It's a media/political construct that has little to do with reality...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115867 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:23:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115867 CRS, <I>Michael (and the Supremes) have clearly won this battle, but I think there's hope to be found here, at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem.</I> Yes and maybe... :D <I>It was a colossal mistake to ever permit the so-called "assault type" weapons,</I> There is no such thing as an "assault" weapon, type or otherwise.. It's a media construct that has little to do with reality... Since you are, with a couple exceptions, the ONLY one here who can be rational about things, allow me to illustrate via the Socratic method.. In your opinion, what constitutes an "assault" weapon?? CRS,

Michael (and the Supremes) have clearly won this battle, but I think there's hope to be found here, at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem.

Yes and maybe... :D

It was a colossal mistake to ever permit the so-called "assault type" weapons,

There is no such thing as an "assault" weapon, type or otherwise..

It's a media construct that has little to do with reality...

Since you are, with a couple exceptions, the ONLY one here who can be rational about things, allow me to illustrate via the Socratic method..

In your opinion, what constitutes an "assault" weapon??

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115866 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:16:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115866 I mean, honestly!! What kind of SICK SICK person would attack a man who has just lost his daughter, SOLELY because of his politics!!???? NeverTrumpers... Scumbags of the universe.... I mean, honestly!!

What kind of SICK SICK person would attack a man who has just lost his daughter, SOLELY because of his politics!!????

NeverTrumpers... Scumbags of the universe....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115865 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:59:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115865 https://twitter.com/Chet_Cannon/status/964234637760389121/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Ffar-left-group-calls-for-murdering-republicans-as-revenge-for-florida-school-shooting%2F Once again... Hysterical NeverTrumpers are sick SICK people... https://twitter.com/Chet_Cannon/status/964234637760389121/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Ffar-left-group-calls-for-murdering-republicans-as-revenge-for-florida-school-shooting%2F

Once again... Hysterical NeverTrumpers are sick SICK people...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115864 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:44:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115864 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/064eebc8b3c1d1202f01b10833b0d59aecb6ac59db896376d96d4279eded31e6.jpg The peace and tolerance of the Left Wingery.... https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/064eebc8b3c1d1202f01b10833b0d59aecb6ac59db896376d96d4279eded31e6.jpg

The peace and tolerance of the Left Wingery....

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115863 C. R. Stucki Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:22:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115863 Michael (and the Supremes) have clearly won this battle, but I think there's hope to be found here, at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem. The key to at least starting to get past the intolerable situation we're now dealing with will be found not in "restricting the right" to bear arms, but rather in restricting the TYPE of arms that will be allowed. It should help that we already HAVE some restrictions on the type, (presumably no Browning-style WWII type machine guns, etc.) It was a colossal mistake to ever permit the so-called "assault type" weapons, worthless for hunting, and the solution is to figure out a way to rectify that, which will not be simple because there are now millions of 'em out there. The only solution is to eliminate the ones already in existence, and forbid new ones. It will inevitably eventually happen, one way or another, because people will inevitably no longer be willing to tolerate what we've now got going on. Michael (and the Supremes) have clearly won this battle, but I think there's hope to be found here, at least for people of good will, to mostly solve the problem.

The key to at least starting to get past the intolerable situation we're now dealing with will be found not in "restricting the right" to bear arms, but rather in restricting the TYPE of arms that will be allowed.
It should help that we already HAVE some restrictions on the type, (presumably no Browning-style WWII type machine guns, etc.)

It was a colossal mistake to ever permit the so-called "assault type" weapons, worthless for hunting, and the solution is to figure out a way to rectify that, which will not be simple because there are now millions of 'em out there.

The only solution is to eliminate the ones already in existence, and forbid new ones. It will inevitably eventually happen, one way or another, because people will inevitably no longer be willing to tolerate what we've now got going on.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115862 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:00:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115862 Stig, If your analysis was the accurate one than the 2nd would read: <B>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."</B> Now, you and I both know that the 2nd DOESN'T say that.. It says <B>THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED</B> The well-regulated militia part simply explains WHY the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.. But, regardless of this FACT...... It doesn't matter what you or I think.. It only matters what the SCOTUS rules.. And the SCOTUS has ruled.. It's the law of the land.. Deal with it... Stig,

If your analysis was the accurate one than the 2nd would read:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Now, you and I both know that the 2nd DOESN'T say that..

It says THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

The well-regulated militia part simply explains WHY the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..

But, regardless of this FACT......

It doesn't matter what you or I think.. It only matters what the SCOTUS rules..

And the SCOTUS has ruled.. It's the law of the land.. Deal with it...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115861 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:57:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115861 It doesn't matter what you think the 2nd Amendment says, Stig.. It doesn't matter what The Grand Poobah (may peace be upon him) thinks the 2nd Amendment says... It doesn't even matter what *I* think the 2nd Amendment says.. The ONLY *FACT* that matters is what the SCOTUS thinks the 2nd Amendment says.. And the SCOTUS has ruled that THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is the ruling passage of the 2nd Amendment... So, repeal the 2nd or quit whining... It's really that simple.... It doesn't matter what you think the 2nd Amendment says, Stig..

It doesn't matter what The Grand Poobah (may peace be upon him) thinks the 2nd Amendment says...

It doesn't even matter what *I* think the 2nd Amendment says..

The ONLY *FACT* that matters is what the SCOTUS thinks the 2nd Amendment says..

And the SCOTUS has ruled that THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is the ruling passage of the 2nd Amendment...

So, repeal the 2nd or quit whining...

It's really that simple....

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115860 TheStig Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:53:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115860 CW-52, your response to resident comments sophist M -25 Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It is no accident that the 2nd amendment begins with the phrase "A well-regulated militia" It is also no accident that the gun lobbyists and their attendant retinue of judicial,political and media whores routinely cover half the law in editorial whiteout. Your analysis is worth repeating. "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional." Where most commentators of ALL STRIPES falter, you have dragged "A well regulated Militia" out of the Memory Hole and into the discussion. CW-52, your response to resident comments sophist M -25

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is no accident that the 2nd amendment begins with the phrase "A well-regulated militia" It is also no accident that the gun lobbyists and their attendant retinue of judicial,political and media whores routinely cover half the law in editorial whiteout.

Your analysis is worth repeating.

"The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional."

Where most commentators of ALL STRIPES falter, you have dragged "A well regulated Militia" out of the Memory Hole and into the discussion.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115859 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:30:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115859 Facts show that the scumbag shooter arrived at the high school in an Uber.. If we ban Ubers, then these scumbag shooters can't get to the places to perform the dastardly deed... <B>OH MY GODS!!! WE MUST BAN UBERS!!!! WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!</B> {/sarcasm} That is EXACTLY what ya'all's reasoning is... I hope ya'all can be objective enough to see the fallacy of such reasoning.. But I won't hold my breath... Facts show that the scumbag shooter arrived at the high school in an Uber..

If we ban Ubers, then these scumbag shooters can't get to the places to perform the dastardly deed...

OH MY GODS!!! WE MUST BAN UBERS!!!! WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

{/sarcasm}

That is EXACTLY what ya'all's reasoning is...

I hope ya'all can be objective enough to see the fallacy of such reasoning..

But I won't hold my breath...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115858 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:07:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115858 <I>Oh, and the only gun legislation Trump has signed was one that ended an Obama regulation that people who weren't competent to balance their own checkbook shouldn't be allowed to buy or own guns.</I> So, you suck at math and now the US Constitution doesn't apply to you??? OK, Fine... If you are so incompetent that you can't balance your own checkbook, then you can't own a gun... You also can't vote or can't exercise your freedom of speech.... Is that <B>**REALLY**</B> the road you want to travel down?? Owning a gun is as much of a constitutional right as voting or speaking freely... You want to curtail ONE constitutional right, then you MUST be willing to curtail ALL constitutional rights... Or, you can just admit that it's all nothing but a partisan agenda at work... Oh, and the only gun legislation Trump has signed was one that ended an Obama regulation that people who weren't competent to balance their own checkbook shouldn't be allowed to buy or own guns.

So, you suck at math and now the US Constitution doesn't apply to you???

OK, Fine...

If you are so incompetent that you can't balance your own checkbook, then you can't own a gun...

You also can't vote or can't exercise your freedom of speech....

Is that **REALLY** the road you want to travel down??

Owning a gun is as much of a constitutional right as voting or speaking freely...

You want to curtail ONE constitutional right, then you MUST be willing to curtail ALL constitutional rights...

Or, you can just admit that it's all nothing but a partisan agenda at work...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115857 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:42:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115857 OK people, today is ya'all's lucky day... I am going to grant ya'all the power to enact gun laws.. <B>**POOF**</B> Ya'all have the power to enact ANY gun law you want and it will INSTANTLY become the law of the land... BUT.... There are requirements... 1. The new law MUST be able to prevent or help prevent crowd based mass shootings.. 2. The new law MUST be in keeping with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.. Now, go... You have the power.. Make a new gun law..... .... ...... ........ No new gun laws??? Why is that??? Because you CAN'T make a law that fits reality in this case.. Class dismissed... OK people, today is ya'all's lucky day...

I am going to grant ya'all the power to enact gun laws..

**POOF**

Ya'all have the power to enact ANY gun law you want and it will INSTANTLY become the law of the land...

BUT.... There are requirements...

1. The new law MUST be able to prevent or help prevent crowd based mass shootings..

2. The new law MUST be in keeping with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution..

Now, go... You have the power.. Make a new gun law.....

....

......

........

No new gun laws??? Why is that???

Because you CAN'T make a law that fits reality in this case..

Class dismissed...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115856 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:47:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115856 <I>I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against.</I> There are many.. Here's the most recent... <B>Why Mental Health Bill Isn't Moving</B> https://www.rollcall.com/news/why-mental-health-bill-isnt-moving-in-congress Democrats are afraid of stigmatizing mentally ill and afraid of making the connection between mentally ill and violence.. So, they don't support mentally ill legislation... For Democrats it's ALL about social justice. And they are going to push their agenda no matter HOW many kids are gunned down by psychos.... As I said above, what's the ONE common denominator when it comes to mass murder events?? It's not guns.. It's mentally ill people.. So, you can address guns like Australia did.. Maybe the murders will go down, maybe not.. They didn't in Australia... At least not in an significant way... OR... Or you can forget the partisan agenda and address the ROOT CAUSE of these mass murder events.. The mentally ill... But Democrats don't want to do that because of social justice... I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against.

There are many.. Here's the most recent...

Why Mental Health Bill Isn't Moving
https://www.rollcall.com/news/why-mental-health-bill-isnt-moving-in-congress

Democrats are afraid of stigmatizing mentally ill and afraid of making the connection between mentally ill and violence..

So, they don't support mentally ill legislation...

For Democrats it's ALL about social justice. And they are going to push their agenda no matter HOW many kids are gunned down by psychos....

As I said above, what's the ONE common denominator when it comes to mass murder events??

It's not guns..

It's mentally ill people..

So, you can address guns like Australia did.. Maybe the murders will go down, maybe not.. They didn't in Australia... At least not in an significant way...

OR...

Or you can forget the partisan agenda and address the ROOT CAUSE of these mass murder events..

The mentally ill...

But Democrats don't want to do that because of social justice...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115854 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:30:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115854 <I>The article goes on to explain the shooter's involvement. Summary: they taught him everything and then end by saying "but we didn't want him to go shooting up a school!" Gee, unintended consequences suck, don't they?</I> Nope.. Fake News... <B>Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter</B> http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/ FACTS.... The article goes on to explain the shooter's involvement. Summary: they taught him everything and then end by saying "but we didn't want him to go shooting up a school!"

Gee, unintended consequences suck, don't they?

Nope.. Fake News...

Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

FACTS....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115853 Michale Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:29:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115853 CW, <I>Apples and oranges. Obama DID release his tax returns. Trump didn't. Them's the facts, Jack.</I> And it's not a relevant fact because the issue is TRANSPARENCY... You want to see Trump's tax returns. *I* wanted to see Obama's school records.. MY desire is just as legitimate as yours.. <I>Except, you know, for her security clearance she got for SecState...</I> The point is, she could not get that security clearance NOW, unless she was POTUS.... <I>But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional." It's all in interpretation, in other words...</I> Only because it has been interpreted in a manner you don't like... If it HAD been interpreted as YOU would like it to be interpreted, then you would be making MY argument... No?? :D It truly does work both ways.. <I>I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against.</I> And then what?? Will it change your mind? Change your argument??? <I> Especially one converging mental health with gun ownership. I dare you.</I> THAT'S the point.. ALL mental health issues SHOULD converge with gun ownership!! CW,

Apples and oranges. Obama DID release his tax returns. Trump didn't. Them's the facts, Jack.

And it's not a relevant fact because the issue is TRANSPARENCY...

You want to see Trump's tax returns. *I* wanted to see Obama's school records..

MY desire is just as legitimate as yours..

Except, you know, for her security clearance she got for SecState...

The point is, she could not get that security clearance NOW, unless she was POTUS....

But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional."

It's all in interpretation, in other words...

Only because it has been interpreted in a manner you don't like...

If it HAD been interpreted as YOU would like it to be interpreted, then you would be making MY argument...

No?? :D

It truly does work both ways..

I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against.

And then what?? Will it change your mind? Change your argument???

Especially one converging mental health with gun ownership. I dare you.

THAT'S the point.. ALL mental health issues SHOULD converge with gun ownership!!

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115851 Chris Weigant Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:49:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115851 Michale [37] - Mental health legislation? Are you <em>kidding</em> me? Let's see... Ronald Reagan threw all the mentally ill out of long-term facilities and created the "crazy homeless problem" in the 1980s (and until the present day...). Republicans have voted against every federal dollar spent on any health care, much less mental health care, for the past 30 years or so, while Dems have fought for such dollars. Oh, and the only gun legislation Trump has signed was one that ended an Obama regulation that people who weren't competent to balance their own checkbook shouldn't be allowed to buy or own guns. So on the "mental health and guns" thing, Trump and the GOP have been leading the way towards "crazy people deserve more guns, what could <em>possibly</em> go wrong with that?" front. In other words: BZZZTTT!!! Thanks for playing... I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against. Especially one converging mental health with gun ownership. I dare you. C. R. Stucki [42] - Those are fascinating facts. But what caught my eye was: you wrote to Frank Church? The "Church Committee" Frank Church? My esteem for you just went up... :-) BashiBazouk [43] (and C. R. Stucki) - OK, how many of the hunting brand guns are foreign and how many are still American brands? I'm just curious, because you seem to be describing a trend here... C. R. Stucki [44] - $500 in the mid-60s was a significant chunk of change. I mean, even a great car back then would only set you back a couple of thousand. Kick [48] - <em>Excellent</em> point! Best comment I've read yet anywhere... just had to say that... -CW Michale [37] -

Mental health legislation? Are you kidding me?

Let's see... Ronald Reagan threw all the mentally ill out of long-term facilities and created the "crazy homeless problem" in the 1980s (and until the present day...). Republicans have voted against every federal dollar spent on any health care, much less mental health care, for the past 30 years or so, while Dems have fought for such dollars.

Oh, and the only gun legislation Trump has signed was one that ended an Obama regulation that people who weren't competent to balance their own checkbook shouldn't be allowed to buy or own guns. So on the "mental health and guns" thing, Trump and the GOP have been leading the way towards "crazy people deserve more guns, what could possibly go wrong with that?" front.

In other words: BZZZTTT!!!

Thanks for playing...

I mean, seriously, name me ONE piece of mental health legislation Democrats were against. Especially one converging mental health with gun ownership. I dare you.

C. R. Stucki [42] -

Those are fascinating facts. But what caught my eye was: you wrote to Frank Church? The "Church Committee" Frank Church? My esteem for you just went up...

:-)

BashiBazouk [43] (and C. R. Stucki) -

OK, how many of the hunting brand guns are foreign and how many are still American brands? I'm just curious, because you seem to be describing a trend here...

C. R. Stucki [44] -

$500 in the mid-60s was a significant chunk of change. I mean, even a great car back then would only set you back a couple of thousand.

Kick [48] -

Excellent point! Best comment I've read yet anywhere... just had to say that...

-CW

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115850 Chris Weigant Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:25:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115850 Kick [3] - Thanks for the kind words! Now it seems there are over 100 people working in the WH without permanent clearances, and something like three dozen of them have been waiting since Trump was sworn in. Something is certainly fishy with that... Michale [5] - Apples and oranges. Obama DID release his tax returns. Trump didn't. Them's the facts, Jack. M [6] - Except, you know, for her security clearance she got for SecState... C. R. Stucki [9] - As I understand it, security clearances look for three main things: blackmailability (if that's even a word); criminal record; and general dishonesty (history of getting fired for reason, getting sued successfully for bad dealings, etc.). But in your list you forgot a big one: drug use. This is actually getting somewhat better -- admitting past marijuana use used to be an automatic disaqualifier, but these rules are much more flexible now -- as a direct result of just what you lay out: not being able to get good candidates that are that pure. Especially in the computer programmer/hacker realm. So standards do change, with the times, albeit slowly... Come to think of it, this bolsters Trump's case -- he couldn't be blackmailed for the stuff that was already out there in the media, after all. Blackmail is the threat of revealing something, but when it's alreay front-page news, it loses it's blackmail value, right? Heh. BashiBazouk [12] - <em>Let's face reality... 95% of the things you were so hysterical about during the Obama Administration doesn't warrant even a mention in the Trump Administration...</em> Thanks for telling Michale this, it saved me the trouble! :-) I have fun picturing Michale reacting to the past two weeks of security clearance fiasco... under either President Obama or President Hillary. "Apoplectic" wouldn't even begin to describe it! Heh. neilm [13] - Heh. LizM [18] - I wholeheartedly agree. Starting with Olympics coverage (sigh...). Michale [25] - I hesitate to do this, but... OK, let's start with the Second Amendment. Right now, SCOTUS has interpreted it one particular way. Granted. But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional." It's all in interpretation, in other words... OK, more in a moment... -CW Kick [3] -

Thanks for the kind words!

Now it seems there are over 100 people working in the WH without permanent clearances, and something like three dozen of them have been waiting since Trump was sworn in. Something is certainly fishy with that...

Michale [5] -

Apples and oranges. Obama DID release his tax returns. Trump didn't. Them's the facts, Jack.

M [6] -

Except, you know, for her security clearance she got for SecState...

C. R. Stucki [9] -

As I understand it, security clearances look for three main things: blackmailability (if that's even a word); criminal record; and general dishonesty (history of getting fired for reason, getting sued successfully for bad dealings, etc.).

But in your list you forgot a big one: drug use. This is actually getting somewhat better -- admitting past marijuana use used to be an automatic disaqualifier, but these rules are much more flexible now -- as a direct result of just what you lay out: not being able to get good candidates that are that pure. Especially in the computer programmer/hacker realm.

So standards do change, with the times, albeit slowly...

Come to think of it, this bolsters Trump's case -- he couldn't be blackmailed for the stuff that was already out there in the media, after all. Blackmail is the threat of revealing something, but when it's alreay front-page news, it loses it's blackmail value, right?

Heh.

BashiBazouk [12] -

Let's face reality... 95% of the things you were so hysterical about during the Obama Administration doesn't warrant even a mention in the Trump Administration...

Thanks for telling Michale this, it saved me the trouble!

:-)

I have fun picturing Michale reacting to the past two weeks of security clearance fiasco... under either President Obama or President Hillary. "Apoplectic" wouldn't even begin to describe it!

Heh.

neilm [13] -

Heh.

LizM [18] -

I wholeheartedly agree. Starting with Olympics coverage (sigh...).

Michale [25] -

I hesitate to do this, but...

OK, let's start with the Second Amendment. Right now, SCOTUS has interpreted it one particular way. Granted.

But in the future, a different SCOTUS might rule: "The phrase 'a well-regulated militia' obviously applies in the modern world to the National Guard. Therefore, we rule that any citizen has the unalienable right to join the National Guard in their state. By doing so, they will be able to keep -- in a state armory -- and bear arms in support of their country, as the Second Amendment intended. But private ownership of guns is nowhere protected by the Second Amendment, so any restrictions whatsoever upon gun ownership are fully constitutional."

It's all in interpretation, in other words...

OK, more in a moment...

-CW

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115847 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:02:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115847 <b>Mueller Time</b> Gates is flipping. What does Gates have to offer, you ask? Gates likely has irrefutable proof of a quid pro quo regarding the RNC platform change. https://tinyurl.com/y9foeb86 If Gates flips, the noose tightens. Mueller Time

Gates is flipping. What does Gates have to offer, you ask? Gates likely has irrefutable proof of a quid pro quo regarding the RNC platform change.

https://tinyurl.com/y9foeb86

If Gates flips, the noose tightens.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115846 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 03:22:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115846 Paula 46 <i>And really lame arguments and excuses. </i> Yes... like the false equivalency nonsense. Assuming the statistics Michale posted regarding mass murders in Australia are factually accurate, they conveniently omit the 35 gunned down in the Port Arthur massacre in an effort to prove the "equivalency." Additionally, still assuming those statistics showing equivalent number of murders are accurate, the population of Australia has increased exponentially by multiple millions during that same time period while the numbers of murders did not. Of course, it's this type of "equivalency" nonsense from the right-wing propaganda machine that keep the sheeple uninformed and the GOP in Congress doing nothing. I don't believe in a weapons ban, but I also don't believe people need guns created for no other purpose than to kill multiple people in seconds in order to protect themselves and hunt. Anyone interested in documented statistics regarding firearm deaths and the ban on rapid-fire firearms in Australia: https://tinyurl.com/ycc9raer <blockquote>Question: What happened to the trend in firearm deaths after Australia introduced extensive gun law reform in 1996, including a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns? Findings: In the 18 years before the ban, there were 13 mass shootings, whereas in the 20 years following the ban, no mass shootings occurred, and the decline in total firearm deaths accelerated. </blockquote> Paula
46

And really lame arguments and excuses.

Yes... like the false equivalency nonsense. Assuming the statistics Michale posted regarding mass murders in Australia are factually accurate, they conveniently omit the 35 gunned down in the Port Arthur massacre in an effort to prove the "equivalency." Additionally, still assuming those statistics showing equivalent number of murders are accurate, the population of Australia has increased exponentially by multiple millions during that same time period while the numbers of murders did not.

Of course, it's this type of "equivalency" nonsense from the right-wing propaganda machine that keep the sheeple uninformed and the GOP in Congress doing nothing.

I don't believe in a weapons ban, but I also don't believe people need guns created for no other purpose than to kill multiple people in seconds in order to protect themselves and hunt.

Anyone interested in documented statistics regarding firearm deaths and the ban on rapid-fire firearms in Australia:

https://tinyurl.com/ycc9raer

Question: What happened to the trend in firearm deaths after Australia introduced extensive gun law reform in 1996, including a ban on semiautomatic rifles and pump-action shotguns?

Findings: In the 18 years before the ban, there were 13 mass shootings, whereas in the 20 years following the ban, no mass shootings occurred, and the decline in total firearm deaths accelerated.

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115843 BashiBazouk Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:36:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115843 Then there are those that immediately blame it on video games... Then there are those that immediately blame it on video games...

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115842 Kick Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:29:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115842 THINK ABOUT THIS A guy goes into a public school and kills 17 people in a mass shooting and injures as many. What does the GOP say? Depends on the guy. If he's a certain type guy, they'd immediately be talking about spending billions to do something about it. If he's a certain other type guy, they'd say we don't need to rush to judgment until all the facts are in. THINK ABOUT THIS

A guy goes into a public school and kills 17 people in a mass shooting and injures as many. What does the GOP say?

Depends on the guy.

If he's a certain type guy, they'd immediately be talking about spending billions to do something about it. If he's a certain other type guy, they'd say we don't need to rush to judgment until all the facts are in.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115841 Paula Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:24:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115841 CNN Newsroom with Brooke Baldwin watches mother of dead child rage against impotent lawmakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9aKFGVp1wM CNN Newsroom with Brooke Baldwin watches mother of dead child rage against impotent lawmakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9aKFGVp1wM

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115840 Paula Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:59:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115840 [45] Kick: <i>Yes, sir... and tweets.</i> And really lame arguments and excuses. [45] Kick: Yes, sir... and tweets.

And really lame arguments and excuses.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115839 Kick Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:51:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115839 TS 7 <i>"After the children are sacrificed at their schools, the Nation responds with ritual prayers." </i> Yes, sir... and tweets. TS
7

"After the children are sacrificed at their schools, the Nation responds with ritual prayers."

Yes, sir... and tweets.

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115838 C. R. Stucki Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:34:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115838 BB My Browning 12ga O/U goose gun cost me $500 back in the mid 60's. I sold it 20 yrs ago for $1200, brobaly cost you $4000 these days. BB

My Browning 12ga O/U goose gun cost me $500 back in the mid 60's. I sold it 20 yrs ago for $1200, brobaly cost you $4000 these days.

]]> By: BashiBazouk http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115837 BashiBazouk Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:16:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115837 C. R. Stucki- Current gun economics are complex. From my understanding a whole bunch small, specialized gun manufactures have come up while, for many reasons, the old guard has declined. Remington, for example, was bought out by Cerberus Capital Management along with Marlin and a few other brands. Cerberus cut corners to maximize profits and the quality of the guns went way down. The other factor that is going on is gun sales are down across the board because Trump is in office. There was a huge spike in sales because Hillary was going to "take everyone's guns away". That fear is over and because the gun nuts stocked up last year, gun sales are down massively this year. So manufacturers that geared up for increased production are hurting now. Colt had to file for bankruptcy because they lost their military contract due to reliability issues. Also many of the European and Israeli brands are finding better penetration in the US market. I have not been in to guns for a couple of decades but my understanding, from my uncle who is an avid duck hunter, is there are plenty of high quality hunting arms available but you would probably not recognize some of the brands and be shocked by the sticker price... C. R. Stucki-

Current gun economics are complex. From my understanding a whole bunch small, specialized gun manufactures have come up while, for many reasons, the old guard has declined. Remington, for example, was bought out by Cerberus Capital Management along with Marlin and a few other brands. Cerberus cut corners to maximize profits and the quality of the guns went way down. The other factor that is going on is gun sales are down across the board because Trump is in office. There was a huge spike in sales because Hillary was going to "take everyone's guns away". That fear is over and because the gun nuts stocked up last year, gun sales are down massively this year. So manufacturers that geared up for increased production are hurting now. Colt had to file for bankruptcy because they lost their military contract due to reliability issues. Also many of the European and Israeli brands are finding better penetration in the US market. I have not been in to guns for a couple of decades but my understanding, from my uncle who is an avid duck hunter, is there are plenty of high quality hunting arms available but you would probably not recognize some of the brands and be shocked by the sticker price...

]]> By: C. R. Stucki http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115836 C. R. Stucki Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:26:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115836 Like almost all kids of my generation who were born and raised in the Rocky Mtns, when there were only half as many people in the country, shooting sports played a major role in my life. The first money I ever earned bought my first .22 cal. rifle, and by the time the ever-increasing steepness of those mountains caused me to have to give up hunting, I had a firearm specifically adapted to the pursuit of everything that walked, paddled or flew in my part of the world, 17 in total if I recall correctly, but not a single one suitable for mass shooting of people. At some point in that time (early 60's I think), there began to appear on the market a bunch of military-style firearms, which caused some alarm, and generated political pressure to have them outlawed. I didn't actually give a damn, they seemed to me totally worthless for hunting, but I wrote a letter (email hadn't even been invented) to Sen. Frank Church, and encouraged him to support the ban rather than risk seeing legitimate guns banned. He (or more likely some flunky assistant) responded that while he wholeheartedly agreed with the ban, that he couldn't support it because such would amount to "political suicide" in Idaho. The rest is history. Today, all the companies that manufactured legitimate firearms for hunters (Browning, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, etc.) are either gone or teetering on the brink. The only guns being sold are the ones that aren't good for anything BUT mass killings of people. Combining that with an ever-increasing number of mental nut cases, and here we now are. Like almost all kids of my generation who were born and raised in the Rocky Mtns, when there were only half as many people in the country, shooting sports played a major role in my life. The first money I ever earned bought my first .22 cal. rifle, and by the time the ever-increasing steepness of those mountains caused me to have to give up hunting, I had a firearm specifically adapted to the pursuit of everything that walked, paddled or flew in my part of the world, 17 in total if I recall correctly, but not a single one suitable for mass shooting of people.

At some point in that time (early 60's I think), there began to appear on the market a bunch of military-style firearms, which caused some alarm, and generated political pressure to have them outlawed. I didn't actually give a damn, they seemed to me totally worthless for hunting, but I wrote a letter (email hadn't even been invented) to Sen. Frank Church, and encouraged him to support the ban rather than risk seeing legitimate guns banned. He (or more likely some flunky assistant) responded that while he wholeheartedly agreed with the ban, that he couldn't support it because such would amount to "political suicide" in Idaho. The rest is history.

Today, all the companies that manufactured legitimate firearms for hunters (Browning, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, etc.) are either gone or teetering on the brink.
The only guns being sold are the ones that aren't good for anything BUT mass killings of people. Combining that with an ever-increasing number of mental nut cases, and here we now are.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115835 Paula Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:27:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115835 [32] neilm: Yep. [32] neilm: Yep.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115834 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:59:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115834 Of course, all of the afore from Neil and myself is nothing but ideological bent bullshit... Mine was to prove a point.. Neil's was sincere and he actually BELIEVES it.. The fact is, there is only ONE PERSON responsible for the deaths of those kids and teachers at Parkland, FL.. And that's the scumbag shooter himself... I think it's just sad and pathetic that Dumbocrats like to use those deaths to further their pathetic, unpopular and ultimately IRRELEVANT agenda... One could almost believe that Dumbocrats WANT shootings like this so that they can push their agenda.... Almost.... Of course, all of the afore from Neil and myself is nothing but ideological bent bullshit...

Mine was to prove a point.. Neil's was sincere and he actually BELIEVES it..

The fact is, there is only ONE PERSON responsible for the deaths of those kids and teachers at Parkland, FL..

And that's the scumbag shooter himself...

I think it's just sad and pathetic that Dumbocrats like to use those deaths to further their pathetic, unpopular and ultimately IRRELEVANT agenda...

One could almost believe that Dumbocrats WANT shootings like this so that they can push their agenda....

Almost....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115833 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:45:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115833 Actually, Neil.. It was your vaunted FBI who dropped the ball.. They knew in Sep of 17 that this scumbag was planning to shoot up a school.. But they were too busy chasing the phantom Russian Collusion boogeyman to pay attention to mundane boring things like SAVING AMERICAN LIVES... So, your Dumbocrats obsession with the bullshit Russian Collusion fantasy killed those kids in Parkland, FL.. Now matter HOW you want to slice it, you and your Dumbocrats OWN that school massacre.... Actually, Neil.. It was your vaunted FBI who dropped the ball..

They knew in Sep of 17 that this scumbag was planning to shoot up a school..

But they were too busy chasing the phantom Russian Collusion boogeyman to pay attention to mundane boring things like SAVING AMERICAN LIVES...

So, your Dumbocrats obsession with the bullshit Russian Collusion fantasy killed those kids in Parkland, FL..

Now matter HOW you want to slice it, you and your Dumbocrats OWN that school massacre....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115832 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:36:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115832 <I>Where are the inalienable rights of the kids in the Florida school?</I> You tell me.. By killing any and all mental health legislation, your Dumbocrats deprived those kids of their lives... Why would your Dumbocrats do that, Neil??? Maybe you should take a step away from the keyboard and cool off.. You are hysterical... Where are the inalienable rights of the kids in the Florida school?

You tell me.. By killing any and all mental health legislation, your Dumbocrats deprived those kids of their lives...

Why would your Dumbocrats do that, Neil???

Maybe you should take a step away from the keyboard and cool off..

You are hysterical...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115831 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:35:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115831 <I>Own it.</I> Sorry, that's not how facts work.. Yer Dumbocrats have shot down mental health legislation time and time again because of their social justice mentality... It's the Dumbocrat Party who is responsible for the deaths in Parkland FL much more so than those who cherish our US Constitution.. Own it, Neil.. It's all on you... Own it.

Sorry, that's not how facts work..

Yer Dumbocrats have shot down mental health legislation time and time again because of their social justice mentality...

It's the Dumbocrat Party who is responsible for the deaths in Parkland FL much more so than those who cherish our US Constitution..

Own it, Neil.. It's all on you...

]]> By: neilm http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115830 neilm Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:21:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115830 <i>And that Constitution grants us with inalienable rights...</i> The first word is "Life". It is before "Liberty and the Pursuit of Freedom". Where are the inalienable rights of the kids in the Florida school? Oh, yeah, their lives are less important than your extreme interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Own it. And that Constitution grants us with inalienable rights...

The first word is "Life".

It is before "Liberty and the Pursuit of Freedom".

Where are the inalienable rights of the kids in the Florida school?

Oh, yeah, their lives are less important than your extreme interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Own it.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115829 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:19:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115829 In the 20 years prior to the Port Arthur shooting in Australia that beget the Australian gun ban do you know how many people were killed in mass murder events?? 75.... In the 20 years after Australia initiated it's gun ban, do you know how many people were killed in mass murder events?? 74.... The *FACTS* clearly show that, in Australia, a gun ban had absolutely **NO EFFECT** on mass murder events.. You hysterical anti-gun nuts need to realize that GUNS are not the catalyst for mass murder events.. PEOPLE are... But you Dumbocrats simply use these tragedies to push your unpopular anti-gun agenda... Like DH said, you don't really mind the problem as long as you can exploit the problem for political gain. Now how SICK is THAT!?? In the 20 years prior to the Port Arthur shooting in Australia that beget the Australian gun ban do you know how many people were killed in mass murder events??

75....

In the 20 years after Australia initiated it's gun ban, do you know how many people were killed in mass murder events??

74....

The *FACTS* clearly show that, in Australia, a gun ban had absolutely **NO EFFECT** on mass murder events..

You hysterical anti-gun nuts need to realize that GUNS are not the catalyst for mass murder events..

PEOPLE are...

But you Dumbocrats simply use these tragedies to push your unpopular anti-gun agenda...

Like DH said, you don't really mind the problem as long as you can exploit the problem for political gain.

Now how SICK is THAT!??

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115828 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:17:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115828 <I>The group Cruz was part of should be held liable - should be accessories - something.</I> James Hodgkison was part of the Democrat Party... Democrat Party should be "accessories"... Maybe a purse or a nice bracelet... :^/ Seek help, Paula.. Soon... The group Cruz was part of should be held liable - should be accessories - something.

James Hodgkison was part of the Democrat Party...

Democrat Party should be "accessories"... Maybe a purse or a nice bracelet... :^/

Seek help, Paula.. Soon...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115827 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:15:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115827 Neil, And, once again, you ignore the FACTS and go with hysterical non-sequitor rants.. Neil,

And, once again, you ignore the FACTS and go with hysterical non-sequitor rants..

]]> By: neilm http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115826 neilm Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:12:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115826 The gun nuts have caused another massacre in this country. They desperately try to hide behind tired old arguments. But it is simple. The NRA bought a lot of politicians. Those politicians ensured that the NRAs products were widely available with no effective restrictions. The NRA then equated guns with freedom and propagated an extreme interpretation of the 2nd amendment and brainwashed the sheep. We end up with dead kids. I don't expect the politicians to do anything. I don't expect the sheep to do anything except bleat about "freedom" and "the 2nd amendment". I do expect the decent people of America to do something. Ask everybody who represents you what they intend to do to stop more school killings. Ask them why they think that America is the only nation that has monthly school shootings. Ask them if they take NRA money and why. They will not like being asked. And they might come to the conclusion that the NRA money is toxic. This might put pressure on the gun manufacturers (Remington went bankrupt last week). This might decrease the funding for the NRA. Waiting for gun nuts to come to their senses is pointless - just look at some of the comments on this thread. The gun nuts have caused another massacre in this country.

They desperately try to hide behind tired old arguments.

But it is simple.

The NRA bought a lot of politicians.

Those politicians ensured that the NRAs products were widely available with no effective restrictions.

The NRA then equated guns with freedom and propagated an extreme interpretation of the 2nd amendment and brainwashed the sheep.

We end up with dead kids.

I don't expect the politicians to do anything.

I don't expect the sheep to do anything except bleat about "freedom" and "the 2nd amendment".

I do expect the decent people of America to do something. Ask everybody who represents you what they intend to do to stop more school killings. Ask them why they think that America is the only nation that has monthly school shootings. Ask them if they take NRA money and why.

They will not like being asked. And they might come to the conclusion that the NRA money is toxic.

This might put pressure on the gun manufacturers (Remington went bankrupt last week).

This might decrease the funding for the NRA.

Waiting for gun nuts to come to their senses is pointless - just look at some of the comments on this thread.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115825 Paula Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:49:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115825 The group Cruz was part of should be held liable - should be accessories - <i>something</i>. The group Cruz was part of should be held liable - should be accessories - something.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115824 Paula Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:44:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115824 https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz <i>A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.</i> The article goes on to explain the shooter's involvement. Summary: they taught him everything and then end by saying "but we didn't want him to go shooting up a school!" Gee, unintended consequences suck, don't they? https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz

A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

The article goes on to explain the shooter's involvement. Summary: they taught him everything and then end by saying "but we didn't want him to go shooting up a school!"

Gee, unintended consequences suck, don't they?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115823 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:50:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115823 But the question of what we can or can't learn from other countries is a moot point, as you yourself point out.. No other country on the planet has a United States Constitution... And that Constitution grants us with inalienable rights... When it comes to gun ownership, there can be no argument or debate or "learning" until such time as the 2nd Amendment is repealed or modified... This is the reality whether it's liked or not... But the question of what we can or can't learn from other countries is a moot point, as you yourself point out..

No other country on the planet has a United States Constitution...

And that Constitution grants us with inalienable rights...

When it comes to gun ownership, there can be no argument or debate or "learning" until such time as the 2nd Amendment is repealed or modified...

This is the reality whether it's liked or not...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115822 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:48:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115822 <I>Do Trump supporters think that they can learn anything from other countries?</I> I am sure some do.... I know, I do... But the question is, do YOU think that Trump supporters think they can learn anything from other countries?? Do Trump supporters think that they can learn anything from other countries?

I am sure some do.... I know, I do...

But the question is, do YOU think that Trump supporters think they can learn anything from other countries??

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115821 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:46:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115821 Do Trump supporters think that they can learn anything from other countries? Do Trump supporters think that they can learn anything from other countries?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115820 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:36:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115820 <I>It's actually borne of a love for American or, more specifically, a love for the promise of America and a wish to see it be the best that it can be.</I> But only if that "promise" is ideological acceptable... Many Trump supporters have a love for the "promise" of America... But you would disagree with them, am I right?? It all boils down to ideology... It's actually borne of a love for American or, more specifically, a love for the promise of America and a wish to see it be the best that it can be.

But only if that "promise" is ideological acceptable...

Many Trump supporters have a love for the "promise" of America...

But you would disagree with them, am I right??

It all boils down to ideology...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115819 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:35:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115819 But, since we dragged the recent school shooting into this commentary (bet I get blamed for that!! :D ) let me say... Liz, you were dead on ballz accurate... ANY gun control discussion/debate *MUST* start with the 2nd Amendment... Until such time as THAT issue is addressed by the hysterical anti-gun nuts, ANY other conversation is a non-starter from the word GUNS ARE EVIL... But, since we dragged the recent school shooting into this commentary (bet I get blamed for that!! :D ) let me say...

Liz, you were dead on ballz accurate...

ANY gun control discussion/debate *MUST* start with the 2nd Amendment...

Until such time as THAT issue is addressed by the hysterical anti-gun nuts, ANY other conversation is a non-starter from the word GUNS ARE EVIL...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115818 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:27:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115818 <I>Blotus takes Putin's orders. Does the NRA?</I> BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my gods, that is SO frakin' rich!! *NOW* the Russians control the NRA.... Tell me... Were the Russians controlling the NRA when Odumbo told Putin that he could be more flexible for Putin if Putin only helped Odumbo win the election??? My gods, Paula.. You actually BELIEVE this clap trap, don't you?? Time to call your shrink for a follow-up exam.... Yer in kooky-dooks land... Blotus takes Putin's orders. Does the NRA?

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my gods, that is SO frakin' rich!!

*NOW* the Russians control the NRA....

Tell me... Were the Russians controlling the NRA when Odumbo told Putin that he could be more flexible for Putin if Putin only helped Odumbo win the election???

My gods, Paula.. You actually BELIEVE this clap trap, don't you??

Time to call your shrink for a follow-up exam.... Yer in kooky-dooks land...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115817 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:25:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115817 It's actually borne of a love for American or, more specifically, a love for the promise of America and a wish to see it be the best that it can be. It's actually borne of a love for American or, more specifically, a love for the promise of America and a wish to see it be the best that it can be.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115816 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:24:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115816 <I>Them's some might fine hairs your splitting...</I> And let's face reality... If Odumbo wasn't POTUS and there to protect Hillary, her security clearances would have been yanked faster than a Clinton disbarment hearing.... Them's some might fine hairs your splitting...

And let's face reality...

If Odumbo wasn't POTUS and there to protect Hillary, her security clearances would have been yanked faster than a Clinton disbarment hearing....

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115815 Paula Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:24:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115815 [14] neilm: Mueller's gang and/or the FBI are looking at NRA and Russian money -- money which appears to have found its way to Blotus' campaign, as well as to other GOP candidates. One of many links: "FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump" http://www.heraldsun.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231599.html Blotus takes Putin's orders. Does the NRA? [14] neilm: Mueller's gang and/or the FBI are looking at NRA and Russian money -- money which appears to have found its way to Blotus' campaign, as well as to other GOP candidates.

One of many links: "FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump" http://www.heraldsun.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231599.html

Blotus takes Putin's orders. Does the NRA?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115814 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:22:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115814 <I>It is just that kind of typical American arrogance that holds America back as a nation.</I> Hardly... It's that typical American arrogance that MAKES America the only remaining superpower.. <B>"Arrogant!!?? OF COURSE I'm arrogant!!! I've EARNED it!!!"</B> -Q :D <I>Americans have quite a lot to learn from other countries on a number of issues.</I> Says all those other countries.. :D Borne of jealousy and envy... Nothing more.. :D It is just that kind of typical American arrogance that holds America back as a nation.

Hardly... It's that typical American arrogance that MAKES America the only remaining superpower..

"Arrogant!!?? OF COURSE I'm arrogant!!! I've EARNED it!!!"
-Q

:D

Americans have quite a lot to learn from other countries on a number of issues.

Says all those other countries.. :D

Borne of jealousy and envy... Nothing more.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/02/14/what-about-all-the-others-in-the-white-house-without-permanent-security-clearances/#comment-115813 Michale Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:20:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=15111#comment-115813 <I>Them's some might fine hairs your splitting...</I> And yet, factually accurate... Them's some might fine hairs your splitting...

And yet, factually accurate...

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