Thank you for ceding the point.

And if Moore was guilty of what Polanski was guilty of, you would have an argument..

But he's not, so you don't...

Especially since there are FACTS that prove this is nothing but a political hit job...

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Different time and place, eh? December 1977 was eight months after Roman Polanski was arrested in Hollywood for sexual relations with a minor not much younger. The judge in that case wanted to give Polanski 50 years, which is why he ran.

Unless you're saying that the cultural climate in Alabama was more liberal than that of Hollywood at that same time, I'd guess that Moore knew that what he was doing was wrong in any state.

And yet, she HID the fact that she altered the signature. She wouldn't even let ANY forensics be done on the yearbook..

NOW we know why..

The only way it would get thrown out of a court case is if Moore is the judge! Moore couldn’t say he that he didn’t hit on girls 14 years younger than him back

Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.. But it was a different time and place..

Like I said in the current FTP, if you judge Soon To Be Senator Moore based on the man he may have been 40 years ago, then you MUST judge Odumbo based on the man he was 10 years ago. The man who said that marriage was between a man and a woman ONLY..

You also must judge the Democrat Party based on what it was 100 years ago. The racist Party of the KKK....

Are you willing to do that??

Of course not...

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She didn’t ALTER anything he wrote! Nothing he wrote was changed. What she did was add the date and location it had occurred and noted that he was the DA. Pretty standard stuff with yearbooks.

The only way it would get thrown out of a court case is if Moore is the judge! Moore couldn’t say he that he didn’t hit on girls 14 years younger than him back then because he ended up married to one of the girls! His wife was classmates with the 14 year old he is accused of having assaulted.

No, she admitted to adding the date and the address where it was signed after he wrote the message and signed it.

Newsflash.. That's ALTERING..

al·ter
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verb
gerund or present participle: altering
change or cause to change in character or composition, typically in a comparatively small but significant way.

The handwriting specialists still say he wrote the message and signed his name.

And she altered it to be more incriminating. Her intent was to deceive...

You and I both know that if there was a cause built around that yearbook, it would have been thrown out of court..

Moore is a bigot, a liar, and child molester...

Roy Moore is COMPLETELY innocent of ANY accusations made against him..

This is FACT...

Deal with it..

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That's because the accusations were clearly false and solely designed to derail President Trump's campaign, as evidenced by the FACT that the women accusing Trump couldn't disappear fast enough after Trump won..

Basically you failed the test - you can't name one bill or executive order that has actually helped the economy.

I wasn't aware I was taking a test...

Thanks, Chris. I've lurked a long time, off and on. If it's any interest, I'm a native Californian who has now lived in the UK for over 40 years. I make a considerable effort to be an informed voter.

The UK has also discovered that well-known public figures in different fields have used their fame and power to abuse women and children, sometimes for many years.

First off, welcome to the site!

Your first comment was held for moderation, and I apologize for the delay in approving it. From now on, you will be able to post your comments and have them appear instantly. Just don't post more than one link per comment, as multilink comments are automatically held for moderation.

As for your comment, you indeed raise a good point, about the possibility for men to evolve over time.

And, once again, welcome to the site.

-CW

If I remember correctly, that participation rate "turnaround" actually amounted to more like a 'leveling off' (as in 'quit falling') I don't think it has meaningfully actually risen for years.

So, it turns out that one of Moore's accusers ADMITS to altering the yearbook signature to incriminate Moore....

No, she admitted to adding the date and the address where it was signed after he wrote the message and signed it. The handwriting specialists still say he wrote the message and signed his name.

Moore is a bigot, a liar, and child molester...no wonder Trump likes him so much!

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300060

Care to claim credit for 45 Michale?

A major Olympic cheating scandal is uncovered by accident by an American documentary filmmaker and a Russian scientist, when they realize their combined knowledge points fingers at Russia's secret sports doping program.

Explains why the Russians are banned from the Winter Olympics (and should have been banned from Rio 2016). Explosive stuff. And the soundtrack is excellent.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/icarus_2017

Except he molests over a dozen women and you give him no blame, yet he does nothing to help the economy and you give him all the credit.

Basically you failed the test - you can't name one bill or executive order that has actually helped the economy.

He's the commander in chief.. He gets the blame, he gets the credit..

You didn't mind giving Odumbo credit for everything good that happened while HE was POTUS...

Oh that's right. Odumbo has a -D after his name, so that's different..

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More fake news from CNN....

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-CW

Hehehe I thought ya might like that one.. :D

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And as usual you can't point to one action he has taken to justify your point.

In other news, the Golden State Warriors are the NBA Champions. I'm thanking the person responsible, Taylor Swift!

I never said I didn't "follow" Fox News.. I said I don't WATCH Fox News...

FNC is one of a dozen news sites I check on a regular basis..

Of course they are going to claim Obama's wins as 45's - they are doing it with the labor markets and the economy, why not ISIS too.

Of course you are going to claim Trump's wins as Obama's :D

You should be thanking Obama every day for the current strong economy,

I thank the person responsible. President Trump.. :D

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Good description of the moral repugnance of the populism that Fox News encouraged and the Republican Party has been too cowardly to stand up to.

Whose the goofy looking guy in the glasses?? :D

OK, now THAT was funny!

:-)

-CW

I thought you didn't follow Fox News.

Of course they are going to claim Obama's wins as 45's - they are doing it with the labor markets and the economy, why not ISIS too.

Did you expect Fox News to tell the truth:

"Obama's Policies Continue to Improve the Economy, the Jobs Market, and the Downfall of ISIS"?

Point to exactly what policies 45 has implemented to improve any of those three?

(Remember that the military has already admitted that if they want to get 45 to do something they tell him that Obama wouldn't have approved it.)

Hint: There has been no material improvement in e.g. Coal jobs and the Carrier plant is still moving to Mexico, minus the jobs Indiana is paying them to keep.

This is the most clueless administration we've had in living memory, they couldn't even repeal Obamacare, let alone produce an alternative plan. They are a bunch of losers whose only accomplishment by year's end will be paying off their big donors.

You should be thanking Obama every day for the current strong economy, but making hay while you can, because the tax cuts are likely to put the dampers on it over the next year or so.

Trump, Mattis turn military loose on ISIS, leaving terror caliphate in tatters
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08/trump-mattis-turn-military-loose-on-isis-leaving-terror-caliphate-in-tatters.html

Making America Great Again

Cue NeverTrumper whiners with their "But!!! OBAMA!!! RUSSIA!!! COLLUSION!!!!" in 3.... 2.... 1....

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It isn't that people "can't recognize the problem of big money in politics", it's mostly that there doesn't seem to be any viable realistic solution short of public financing, which probably ain't gonna happen.

BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bonafide SMEAR campaign SOLELY to influence an election..

What *IS* it with you Democrats???

Say it with me..

SENATOR ROY MOORE

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HA!!!!!!

President Trump!!!!

Making America GREAT Again...

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Yea, cuz the Left are such PERFECT examples of it. :^/

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I'm not applying a legal standard. I'm not a lawyer, I don't know the legal standard. It's more like "a friend let me down standard." You modify your level of trust.

Hay, don't get me wrong. I have known that all along..

I am just surprised to see you concede it..

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Which means that "zero tolerance" policy is actually a ZERO TOLERANCE UNLESS POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS DICTATE OTHERWISE, THEN IT'S TOLERATED policy...

Remind me again of the "honor" and "integrity" of the Dumbocrat Party???

Well of course, I'm sure that was a consideration. He's a Senator, after all. The Senate is a political institution.

Please. Don't quote the lame-ass American movie, with (shudder) Sly Stallone. Judge Dredd had no speech impediment. None.

is the only way that line should be quoted. Period. Watch the British Judge Dredd movie to see what he was really all about...

hehehe I knew I was gonna get my wee-wee whacked.. :D

Did you see Karl Urban's DREDD?? It was pretty good and much more true to the Dredd legend.. I think you would like it...

Hmmph. I mean, I wouldn't quote John Travolta as Terl in Battlefield Earth, because the original was so much better than the movie!

-CW

I am one of the few who actually liked BATTLEFIELD EARTH... But I am not to discerning when it comes to movie entertainment..

I even liked WATERWORLD and LOVED THE POSTMAN

:D

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If Franken's seat would have been filled by a Republican, you can bet that Democrats would NOT have forced out Franken, but rather would have defended him with every fiber of their being...

For all their passionate claims of defending women, when the rubber meets the road, it's all about the -D/-R....

It was simply Franken's bad luck that Minnesota didn't have a Republican governor...

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Or even worse!!!!

A hand on the waist!!!!

"Oh my god what a fucking nightmare!!!"
-Marisa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY

:D

heh

I'll repost my comment regarding what Franken SHOULD have said.. Apologies in advance for the vulgarity..

"Yea, I might have squeezed here or there.. Yea, I am a huggy kind of person.. Yea, I even put my arm on some woman's waist.. Big Fucking Deal!!! Cry my a river!!! Have we gotten so politically correct that minor flirtations are worthy of execution!!!! I am what I am and fuck ya'all... I am staying put and going to continue to do the good work that I do!! Fuck ya'all!!"

I completely agree with Balthasar...

The GOP is laughing their asses off at what they made the Democrats do... If ANYONE thinks that the GOP is going to follow suit and force out one of their own over such piddley stuff, well I have a swamp in FL I wanna sell you...

I can just see the conversation now..

"But!! But!!! You HAVE to force out Senator Smith!!! We did with Franken!!!!!"
"Yea, well, yer a bunch of morons!!!!"

Just when you thought the Democrat Party couldn't get ANY stoopider, they go and surprise you.....

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I note, sorrowfully, that not many of these men have said something like 'At the time I thought this was normal guy stuff and that I had a right to treat women like this. Over the years, I have come to realise how appalling that was, I am deeply ashamed and sorry, and I apologise unreservedly to all the women I mistreated.' Then we could look at more recent behaviour to know whether the apology was genuine and proceed as we might with any other reformed behaviour. Too often, there is no evidence of changed understanding or behaviour.

As for Frank, he has a right to stand again and then it's up to the voters.

Oh, but it's tough to be a Democrat today, because, sorry CW, I couldn't disagree with you or with Ms. Gillibrand's statement here more.

Anyone who thought that sticking to a 'zero tolerance' policy that lumps a kiss on the cheek together with pedophilia and rape would give Democrats an air moral superiority with which to attack Moore must have been fairly surprised today when Franken's resignation was met with loud guffaws, pointing and catcalls from the Republican caucus.

That's because the GOP knows that it can easily turn the episode into another example of political correctness gone amok. Just as only in academia can micro-aggression be considered the equivalent of open hostility, they say, only in today's Democratic party is gentle waist-squeezing and a kiss on the cheek considered the equivalent of blatant sexual imposition.

And that moral confusion just cost us one of our best Senators (guffaw! guffaw!).

The problem with Gillibrand's 'throw it all in the same pot' dictum is that it diminishes the importance of all of the more serious accusations, while elevating mere annoyance to the status of victimhood. This is problematic for both the accused and for the most wronged accusers, who must now fight to be heard over the voices of women filling air time with their stories of the painful experience of being touched on the butt.

I don't think that Franken should run again - unless he's really drawn back to that world of hypocrisy and back-stabbing. Screw politics - all it did was take his voice off the airwaves most of the time. I'm looking forward to his next book: "Donald Trump is Another Fat Idiot with Impulse Control Issues"

“Honk if you love Jesus!
Text and drive if you want to meet him sooner!”

Our pledge drive seems to have stalled out somewhat, but maybe everyone's waiting for Friday's column or something...

:-)

-CW

Subsequent reports indicated that there was a convincing pattern of lewdness during his time in office.

We need to get back to relying on the rule of law to determine guilt or innocence when criminal allegations arise. “Indicated” , “suggests”, “hinted at”... all of these are subjective as well as suggestive.

I still think this was the GOP going after Franken like they went after Hillary... they knew he had the potential to be a powerful force for the Democrats and they wanted to nip it in the bud!

:-)

-CW

OK, I agree, that would be interesting.

Personally, I think SNL's been pretty funny for the past few years, at least it you like Alec Baldwin's Trump...

-CW

Due to laziness in fact-checking, there is an error in the above article. The process of replacing Franken means a stand-in will be named by the MN governor, but then there will be a special election in 2018, rather than at the end of what would have been Franken's full term (in 2020). Both MN senators will thus be up for election in 2018 (Klobuchar would have been up anyway).

This slightly changes the timeline of what I lay out in the article, but doesn't really change the dynamics of such a decision for Franken, so I left it as it was rather than try to correct it throughout the article. My apologies for the error.

Mea culpa maxima.

-CW

OK, that last line was pretty funny, I have to admit...

-CW

As any fan of Animal House knows, the sentence "Nobody present at any of those parties imagined themselves (at the time) as a possible future senator, and they acted accordingly" does not exactly tell the full story.

From the closing credits of the movie:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaPetruzzelli/status/633746561042780162

[Hah! -- Michale... beat you to it!]

:-)

-CW