They’ve got federal prisons in Florida, I believe, so it could happen.

Yes, sir! Eglin, Marianna, Pensacola, Tallahassee, and several in Coleman and Miami.

Breaking the judge’s gag order is very stupid on its own, but to do so with Russian operatives is just priceless! ‘No ties to Russia,’they say! Hahahahaha!

I know, right!? And don't forget Bayrock, Trump SoHo... speaking of which, has anyone at all heard recently from Felix Mikhailovich Sheferovsky a.k.a. Felix Sater? Hmmmm... wonder what he has been doing lately. Actually, no I don't wonder. :)

And for those that believe Mueller charging Flynn for lying means that Trump is innocent since Mueller wouldn’t charge his star witness with lying need to rethink that position. If Flynn’s testimony isn’t necessary to charge Trump because the evidence is strong enough not to need it, then Flynn pleading to lying doesn’t hurt their case against Trump at all. If he claims that he was ordered to lie by Trump, it only makes things worse for Trump!

Too true, and you don't exactly get a proffer from the FBI if you have nothing to offer. :)

Playing catch up here.

Love your posts. :)

"Still didn't see anything about a constitutional right to have a cake made..."

Why is it even any of the baker's business what the cake is used for in the first place???

If I want to smash the cake in someone's face, feed it to the cat, or use it for a gay wedding, what concern is that of that baker???

Not really...

All you have to do is realize that they are foisting their own prejudices and bigotries onto you..

Projection... :D

:-)

Yea.. What HE ^^^^ said...

hell, I forgot where I was at... I am just gonna start again at 150

150

Still didn't see anything about a constitutional right to have a cake made...

you come across as the stern school teacher at times - or at least to me, and the huffy middle schooler other times.

YIKES!

Sure: Title II of the Act prohibited discrimination in all...public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce, i.e., any business open to the public.

The baker in question is seeking several exemptions from the act, by asserting that it violates his first amendment rights to practice his religion (asserting that Christianity doesn't condone homosexuality), and to free speech (because cake-making is an 'art').

The former argument probably won't fly because it's been tried before, and never swayed the Court, and the latter argument, while novel, is overly broad - one could assert, then, that any occupation could be considered an 'art' subject to the same 1st Amendment exemption, and thereby undermine the entire Civil Rights regime.

130

The Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Nothing about a cake in there...

Maybe you can find it and point it out..

125

I agree, that looks bad for him.. However, speaking for me personally, it would not be my place to second guess an officer. If HE felt there was a need to fire all I would/could say is that I did not..

124

The Civil Rights Act of 1964.

From the description I read, when they were crab-walking the subject down the hall, his hand went into the ladies purse that was there... It's reasonable for the officer to think the subject was going for a weapon...

It seems strange that he was the only officer to fire if that happened. If he can explain and convince a jury that he believed he was justified in the use of deadly force when he fired and killed the suspect, he will go free.

Point to me the Constitutional Amendment that says you have a right to have a cake made....

You can't, ergo yer argument is bullshit..

123

All of it. If this customer were black or hispanic the law would be clear: serve the public or take down your public shingle and do contract work. You might be able to assert "no shoes, no service" in the facility, but you can't say, "my religion classifies blacks as untouchables" and get away with denying service on that basis, even though that may be true of your religion. But in that case, don't try to put "Christian" on your passport because that's not a christian tenet - Jesus said that we should love and treat everyone equally in plain enough language that even SCOTUS should get it.

"What part . . . was unclear?

How about ALL of it? The phrase itself is 'prima fascia' unclear!

LWYH [221]

"your religious rights cannot trump another's civil rights"

'Civil rights' are defined as the rights that accrue to a person by virtue of his citizenship. They include such as the right to vote, the right to utilize publically-funded facilities (i.e., public schools, public roadways, etc.), first ammendment rights, and similar citizenshi-related rights.

They do NOT include the right to never be offended, the right to perpetual happiness, or the right to claim the fruits of the labors of others.

"Nope.. It's about a person's right to freely practice their religion..

Businesses should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, under certain conditions.."

Which is what, anti-discrimination laws are all about in the first place, if you understood that. As those anti-discrimination laws SET the conditions!

What you can't seem to grasp, and for the life of me I don't understand why, is that you ARE free to practice your religion, up until the point that it starts to IMPINGE on someone else's OTHER constitutional rights.

You, as a Christian, for example, cannot burn a witch at the stake, simply because practicing your Christian religion requires you to do so.

It is so funny to see Michale twist himself into a pretzel in order to avoid being wrong.

"No Obamacare repeal.

TrainWreckCare gutted..

Good enough.."

Except Obamacare is NOT gutted, is still around, and no legislation has yet been passed affecting it.

"No middle class tax cut.

Except that there is.."

Except when there is NOT. No legislation is passed yet.

"No wall.

Except that there is. Prototypes are done and being evaluated.."

Architectural plans are NOT the same as actual construction. That's like claiming the existence of a hope chest is the same as an actual wedding having taken place when you haven't even been proposed to yet.

I'm tired of winning.

I'm tired of LOSING

There.. Fixed it for you.. :D

And I'm tired of Michale's obfuscations. There, REALLY fixed it for you. :-)

What part of "under certain conditions" was unclear???

121

So if there was a town with 10 doctors and all refused to treat red haired kids just because, you'd be OK with that?

Nope.. It's about a person's right to freely practice their religion..

Businesses should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, under certain conditions..

Your religious rights cannot trump another’s civil rights!

Religious rights ARE civil rights...

The kicker is that the police DID the right thing by charging the officer who shot the suspect. The fact that he was the only officer out of the six with their guns drawn to open fire is pretty much a “he’s guilty” sign for the jury.

I think the cop will be exonerated..

From the description I read, when they were crab-walking the subject down the hall, his hand went into the ladies purse that was there... It's reasonable for the officer to think the subject was going for a weapon...

It also needs to be taken into account that the Vegas shooting is still very much uppermost in the minds of street officers.. The heightened awareness is a natural consequence of that..

But you were on of the few voices of reason on there.. Not surprising, considering it was The Atlantic.. :D

That's supporting the religious rights.

Nope, it’s about the right to discriminate in Jesus’ name.

It’s about tearing down as many protections granted to us by the Obergefell ruling as possible.

It’s about bitter closet cases attacking those that had the courage to live their life honestly and doing so out of spite and jealousy.

The Supreme Court ruled long ago when Southern whites tried to say that serving blacks in white diners would violate their religious beliefs that a person can practice their religion how they see fit — as long as it does not interfere with the rights of anyone else. Your religious rights cannot trump another’s civil rights!

By the way, I liked your comment over at the Death Of Daniel Shaver article over at The Atlantic...

The anti-cop hysteria is strong there. Kudos for being a voice of calm and reason.. :D

Thanks! The author should have stated that the police were not able to secure the scene because they were not sure where the third person was, which is why the police didn’t just walk over and handcuff the two on the ground. He stated at the start of the story that the third guy had left before police arrived, but that wasn’t something the police were aware of when the shooting occurred.

The kicker is that the police DID the right thing by charging the officer who shot the suspect. The fact that he was the only officer out of the six with their guns drawn to open fire is pretty much a “he’s guilty” sign for the jury.

Fair enough - I'll lighten up, but it is difficult to understand your emotions via comments - you come across as the stern school teacher at times - or at least to me, and the huffy middle schooler other times.

I'd rather you kept posting.

Do you really think I'm a drama queen?

:-)

Neil, you really need to lighten up - especially now, in this period we call the Trump era.

In the words of my favourite Eagles song, take it ee-ee-asy.

Btw, I'll never stop posting. You can bet the farm on that - unless, of course, it's in Iowa. (Yes, I've been known to hold a grudge for that long.)

Let's try that again ...

Neil, you really need to lighten up, especially now, in this period we call the Trump era.

Btw, I'll never stop posting. You can bet the farm on that - unless, of course, it's in Iowa. Yes, I've been known to hold a grudge for that long.
In the words of my favourite Eagles song, take it ee-ee-asy.

"Rep. Conyers slid his hand up my skirt and rubbed my thighs while I was sitting next to him in the front row of a church," Grubbs said in the affidavit. "I was startled and sprang to my feet and exclaimed, 'He just ran his hand up my thigh!' Other staffers witnessed the event."

Conyers is toast...

What IS it with Democrats???

Not factually accurate..

When you take all the times that ya'all have called out Republicans, my contribution of calling out Democrats is a mere fraction of that. And a SMALL fraction ta boot.. :D

We have already talked about Michale being the poster child for Dunning-Kruger - and it is the same lack of self awareness that underpins this other weakness - seeing your own faults in everybody else.

Says the guy who can't address the facts, but can only attack the messenger. :D

Amusing.

Whatever you have to do to distract yerself from the shithole that the Dumbocrat Party has become is fine by me.. :D

I understand what a dark cloud you are living under, Neil.. I forgive you.. :D

Some people simply CAN'T admit the facts because of their slavery to Party ideology..

Michale calls out Democrats more than every other person on the board calls out any political party, and then throws out the "slave to party ideology" accusation.

We have already talked about Michale being the poster child for Dunning-Kruger - and it is the same lack of self awareness that underpins this other weakness - seeing your own faults in everybody else.

Amusing.

And Elizabeth, I'm probably not the only one who is bored of your threatening to take your ball and go home when you decide somebody isn't good enough for you. Either stop posting, or stop threatening to stop posting, don't keep making a middle school drama out of it.

By the way, I liked your comment over at the Death Of Daniel Shaver article over at The Atlantic...

The anti-cop hysteria is strong there. Kudos for being a voice of calm and reason.. :D

105

And ya'all wonder why the hysterical Left Wingery has absolutely ZERO credibility with patriotic Americans. :^/

104

That's not going against the LGBDDTTTIQQAAPP community...

That's supporting the religious rights. And you want to lay a wager on how the SCOTUS will rule?? :D

You are the one without any credibility.

Says the guy who has been WRONG about every Trump prediction to date.. :D

103

That said, I have been far from wrong about how Trump’s first year has gone. You claimed he was going to leave the LGBTQ community alone, I said he wouldn’t. The DOJ has entered amicus briefs supporting the Colorado baker’s right to discriminate against gay couples by refusing them service.

You are the one without any credibility.

And, if he doesn't??

Are you going to admit you're wrong??

Of course not.. You CAN'T admit you're wrong because you're ideological slavery won't LET you admit you're wrong...

But here's the thing and there is just NO getting around it..

You have been WRONG about President Trump for almost TWO YEARS....

There is ZERO credibility in your claims..

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA.....

102

But, Michale, isn't that fake news?

I'm confused ...

You see where I'm going with this.

For those who want to pooh-pooh the HUGE error that ABC FakeNews made with the Flynn charge...

As usual, the FACTS paint a totally different picture...

Once again, the question needs to be asked..

What *IS* it with Democrats???

The latest news supports our view that Mr. Mueller is too conflicted to investigate the FBI and should step down in favor of someone more credible. The investigation would surely continue, though perhaps with someone who doesn’t think his job includes protecting the FBI and Mr. Comey from answering questions about their role in the 2016 election.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/muellers-credibility-problem-1512432318

Because Neil knows he is wrong, but he just can't admit it..

It's a common tactic of those who have severe cases pf PTDS.. It's why things have gone so downhill around here..

Some people simply CAN'T admit the facts because of their slavery to Party ideology..

I'm done here.

Wouldn't you agree?

If they have already decided it is constitutional then what is the point of the lower courts proceeding?

I am guessing it’s a combo of the two!

I don’t see Manafort wintering in Florida.

They’ve got federal prisons in Florida, I believe, so it could happen.

Breaking the judge’s gag order is very stupid on its own, but to do so with Russian operatives is just priceless! ‘No ties to Russia,’they say! Hahahahaha!

And for those that believe Mueller charging Flynn for lying means that Trump is innocent since Mueller wouldn’t charge his star witness with lying need to rethink that position. If Flynn’s testimony isn’t necessary to charge Trump because the evidence is strong enough not to need it, then Flynn pleading to lying doesn’t hurt their case against Trump at all. If he claims that he was ordered to lie by Trump, it only makes things worse for Trump!

I think if the SCOTUS was leaning toward the notion that the ban was unconstitutional, then they would probably not have stayed the lower court's ruling. Instead, they would have left the lower court's ruling in place and wait for the appeals to proceed.

Wouldn't you agree?

Correct?

Congrats, break out the champagne :)

I don't know - do you?

I'm just observing and laughing Michale. You and 45 are running around changing the story all over the place.

3. OK, but collusion isn't a crime.

As I stated earlier, I expect no evidence of collusion between 45's campaign and Russia to be found, because I don't think there is any.
-Neil

You have PTDS bad, neil... Yer starting to contradict yerself.. :D

In other words, Neil, it sure sounds like a win to me.

Yes it is..

This is EXACTLY why it's impossible to take the hysterical NeverTrumpers seriously..

The REFUSE to acknowledge reality...

TrainWreckCare gutted..

Good enough..

No middle class tax cut.

Except that there is..

No wall.

Except that there is. Prototypes are done and being evaluated..

I'm tired of winning.

I'm tired of LOSING

There.. Fixed it for you.. :D

Do you think the Supreme Court would have allowed the ban to go into full effect pending lower and Supreme Court rulings if they didn't think the latest version of the ban had merit?

If that is all you got as a win in 10 months it is beyond sad.

1. No contact with any Russian.

2. OK, there was contact, but no collusion

3. OK, but collusion isn't a crime.

I need some more popcorn.

No middle class tax cut.

No wall.

I'm tired of winning.

This is all you can count as a win?

What did he win? We don't have terrorists killing 10,000+ Americans every year - we have stupid gun laws for that.

Supreme Court allows full enforcement of Trump travel ban

The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to fully enforce a ban on travel to the United States by residents of six mostly Muslim countries.
https://www.apnews.com/b8244def36484dfb93fd958962b7d649/Supreme-Court-allows-full-enforcement-of-Trump-travel-ban

And the hysterical anti-Trumpers hopes and dreams are once again, flushed down the toilet....

WWWOOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH

Another win for President Trump...

But I have to concede.. President Trump was wrong..

I am *NOT* getting tired of winning!! :D

Nice try... Lame.. But nice try..

This allegedly occurred 40 years ago.. She waits just a few weeks before the biggest election of Moore's life to come forward...

She has an axe to grind with Moore because he took her mother's side in a competency hearing...

She claims to have "proof" but refuses to let anyone examine it...

All of these *FACTS* call into question her credibility...

I know, I know.. You don't care about FACTS when it comes to attacking someone with a -R after their names..

But they are FACTS nonetheless..

An OBJECTIVE assessment of the FACTS indicates that this is nothing but a political hitjob...

What *FACTS* do you have that proves your case???

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH.... NADA....

So you don't believe the women because it is inconvenient timing for you?

I have.. They are allegations only... If true, then Moore should be castrated....

Having said that, the timing is suspect, the connect to the Democrat Party is undeniable, the accuser has an axe to grind with Moore and claims there is documented evidence but refuses to relinquish it..

Given all these FACTS, your claims against Moore are SOLELY based on Partisan bigotry and Party slavery...

This presupposes that casting a vote is the only valid form of political participation, that superdelegates were ever expected to swing a nomination, that primary electorates constitute "the People", and that "one person one vote" is an adequate formula for a democratic outcome. All of these suppositions are dubious at best. The statement also insinuates that there's something wrong with having anti-democratic components in a political system.

Let's start with the idea that "one person one vote" is an adequate formula for a democratic outcome. Suppose we have 26 people, from Aisha through Zebediah, who have to choose one of their number to perform some chore. Aisha would prefer to make Bill do it, with Charlotte as her second choice, then Daniel, Edith, and so on (looping back to herself as last choice, right after Zebediah); likewise, Bill would prefer to stick Charlotte with the task, with Daniel as his second choice, then Edith. And so on. A little consideration will show that "one person one vote" is a non-answer in this case.

For that matter, maybe if chores could be allocated systematically, instead of on a one-time basis, each person would prefer instituting some reasonable system and being done with it, over getting their way on a one-time decision but having the group be faced with the same hassle next time a chore has to be assigned. Just saying "one person one vote" doesn't tell who decides what options are available to vote on. A nomination process is supposed to embody precisely that kind of intelligent deliberation.

Seems disingenuous to me..

Seems disingenuous to me..

Epstein has close connections to Bill Clinton, as has been frequently reported on, and to the best of my knowledge, not denied.

If Epstein, Clinton or 45 have harmed any underage girl in any way they should be thrown in jail.

Isn't this fun?

Why don't you talk about Epstein's Clinton connections, Neil???

Seems disingenuous to me..

Now THAT's what I am talking about....

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

You ain't got nuttin.. :D

But you can always defend Al Frakit.. :D

As I stated earlier, I expect no evidence of collusion between 45's campaign and Russia to be found, because I don't think there is any.
-Neil

You can't make this stuff up. All he needs to add is a comment about letting them eat cake and we have "Bumpkin Bingo".

Seems the guy likes underage girls. He lives in the "Virgin Islands", perhaps there's a connection there!!!

And is best buddies with Bill Clinton who visited Epstein's island numerous times with over 20 flights on the Lolita Express...

SO, you have nothing but ad honimem attacks..

Got it..

I just Googled 'Jeffrey Epstein'. His lengthy Wikipedia entry does not mention the name of Donald Trump. Of course, he is originally a New Yorker, and I presume Trump knows every single person in town, so maybe that justifies the "Trump Friend" characterization.

Seems the guy likes underage girls. He lives in the "Virgin Islands", perhaps there's a connection there!!!

Nixon tried that emergency escape route as well - didn't work out too well for him.

To say that Dershowitz's opinion is compromised would be to understate the matter by several degrees. His cred with the right stems largely from his support for hard-line policies in Israel, along with his stated support for the torture of terror suspects by the US. When Jimmy Carter called Israel's settlement policy an obstacle to the peace process, Dershowitz offered to debate him on the issue. Carter replied, "There is no need to debate somebody who, in my opinion, knows nothing about the situation in Palestine." In the final days of the Obama presidency, Dershowitz vehemently criticized the administration's decision not to veto a UN resolution that made the same point, calling the act 'anti-Israel'.

Lately, Dershowitz, who would likely end up on Trump's legal team if Mueller returns indictments implicating Trump, has been arguing on behalf of Trump, asserting for example that presidents can't be charged with obstruction of justice, ever, because they are granted control of the federal law enforcement apparatus by law, including investigations into their own activities. As Richard Pildes, Professor of Constitutional Law at NYU has pointed out, that issue has already been litigated by the Supreme Court, which dismissed similar arguments in Morrison v. Olson (1988).

Ooooooo bad time to be a Democrat.. :D

Why not???

Because I might be wrong. Plus you are posting hysterically, why would I align myself with that sort of panic attack?

Thanks for the entertainment on this FTP Michale - by my count you are at about 20 of the 30-40 posts I predicted less than 20 hours ago convincing yourself that nothing can possible go wrong for 45. I expected it to take you a few days to get to 30 - you are going at 3x the pace I would have guessed.

I have not forgotten..

But yet, you don't correct anyone when they go off the deep end regarding Russian Collusion??

Why not???

How is that not hypocritical???

It would also by hysterically funny - I mean, you know how thin skinned 45 is :)

Yes, he could be wrong.

But YA'ALL could be wrong as well.. And there aren't many people here who will concede that..

Let's all just take a deep breath and wait for Mueller to tell us what happened.

And yet, NO ONE here can do that...

It is fun to see 45 squirm

Any facts to support that??

No?? Didna think so..

I mean, it isn't as if the Democrats would repeat the Benghazi!!! farce if they won either the Senate or the House next year or anything, right?

They probably would.. And ya'all would be cheering them on..

How is that not hypocritical???

Neilm, May 20,2017:
As I stated earlier, I expect no evidence of collusion between 45's campaign and Russia to be found, because I don't think there is any, but if Mueller feels that there is a larger story around Russian influence on the election and the current White House, and starts digging into 45's business dealings, the likelihood of a resignation/pardon deal dramatically increase.

Source: http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/05/19/ftp437/#comment-100471

What are you exactly predicting here and when?

I'm reading this as:

1. Mueller will wrap up the investigation and publish a report that basically says nothing bad happened involving 45 or his family

2. This will soon - before Christmas, let's say.

Am I right?

Sure. You could be right. But, and I know this might come as a surprise to you, you could be wrong.

Let's all just take a deep breath and wait for Mueller to tell us what happened.

But if you pair need to keep telling us all how much of a nothingburger it is to make yourselves feel good, post away.

I'll just be eating popcorn and enjoying the show. It is fun to see 45 squirm, and, like you pair, he's been really trying to convince himself that nothing bad can possible happen several times a day recently.

I mean, it isn't as if the Democrats would repeat the Benghazi!!! farce if they won either the Senate or the House next year or anything, right?

Yep, yep, yep... Notice how the Hysterical NeverTrumpers don't care when Hillary did the exact same thing..

They've been grasping at the proverbial straws to keep them afloat from the beginning, so now we're about to see them sink beneath the waves, and gonna enjoy every sadistic, schadenfreude minute of it!

I was kinda hoping their RUSSIA!!! COLLUSION!!!!! RUSSIA!!!! COLLUSION!!!! would carry on for at least another 8-10 months. It practically would have guaranteed a GOP Super Majority...

But it looks like the big nothing burger is getting all rotted....

Not only do they "got nothing', the NEVER HAD ANYTHING!!!! It never was and never will be illegal to get dirt on your political opponents, even if it comes from the worst foreign enemy of the U.S.

Libs are so naive/stupid that their cold-war mindset carryover left them with some kind of vain hope that getting political help from Ruskies just HAD to be illegal. (Of course, it was ONLY illegal for Republicans, and they were perfectly OK with that, because that is only 'fair').

They've been grasping at the proverbial straws to keep them afloat from the beginning, so now we're about to see them sink beneath the waves, and gonna enjoy every sadistic, schadenfreude minute of it!

Face reality, people.. Ya'all hysterical NeverTrumpers got nothing... Yer big FLYNN/LOCK HIM UP moment has come and there is simply NOTHING to it.. NOTHING that ties Trump to ANYTHING shady or illegal...

Ya'all got NOTHING....

TRANSLATION: It says what I want to hear..

:D

Well, it turns out "our system", the Patriot, probably didn't.

According to an article in the New York Times:

"The pattern of missile debris littering Riyadh suggests missile defenses either hit the harmless rear section of the missile or missed it entirely."

The incoming warhead exploded on Saudi territory, but missed its target, the airport, by 12 miles.

Nothing seems to have changed since the First Gulf War:

Scuds are inaccurate

Patriots can't kill them very often

Air defense units (and the manufacturers of their weapon systems) wildly over estimate the percentage of kills under battlefield conditions. It has been true since there have been air defense systems.

“That’s how good we are. Nobody makes what we make, and now we’re selling it all over the world.” - Donald Trump.

How Trumpian. Flashy, but overpriced.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/world/middleeast/saudi-missile-defense.html

I don't think the NYT report is blocked. It's worth a read.

Dow soars 300 points higher to record as Street cheers Senate passing tax bill
Senate Republicans managed to narrowly pass a bill to revamp the country's tax system on Saturday.
The Dow and S&P 500 both hit record highs.
Bank stocks rose broadly, with the SPDR S&P Bank exchange-traded fund (KBE) surging 2.3 percent.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/04/us-stock-futures-dow-data-tax-plan-opec-politics-on-the-agenda.html

Making America Great Again.... :D

That would be close to the political equivalent of me voting for HRC because my own party had nominated a 'world-class ass hole!! Nobody should be dumb enough to believe that even if he's hearing it from somebody who claimed to have done so. The 'somebody' is a simply lying!!

"I know, right!??"
-Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

Not only in 2016, but in every election of the Obama Administration that led up to 2016..

Over 1000 political seats lost, being in the worst political shape in over a century...

"We're good.. We just need to hone our message"
-Democrat Party..

Talk about delusional...