I just as nicely asked that if I DO find the points, will you concede that you were wrong and I was right..

Actually, your response was not "just as nicely" because it insinuates I am/was accusing you when I was/am not. BUT... BUT... and this is a big BUT... I am going to let this slide because I see that you are discussing this with A01 also so therefore probably getting people confused as you have done before.

So, to review:

* I am not accusing you of being wrong, just saying I don't remember a lot of people claiming the U.S. election of Trump would tank the stock market.
* I do remember that type discussion regarding the Brexit vote.

Since you're discussing this with someone else, I will concede the point on my behalf but will not by any stretch of the imagination concede for anyone else and presume to speak for anyone else by putting words in their mouth and/or lumping them together... like YOU do.

I will go on record now that I'll bet your proof is not going to live up to your characterization of: hysterical BS proclamations that the stock market would bottom out or explode if President Trump was elected.

So, I'll... with the utmost respect and admiration, ask again..

Who are you and what have you done with Michale?

If I PROVE my point, will you concede that you were wrong and I was right??

You are proving my point here with this putting words in my mouth. I did not say you were wrong... nor did I ever accuse you of being wrong. I took great pains to say it was not an accusation, and I reiterated my point. I simply said I did not remember anyone doing this and asked you if perhaps you had confused it with the Brexit vote, where several of us definitely said the market would tank if the vote was for Brexit.

In YOUR opinion.. :D

Obviously my opinion, and obviously some opinions happen to be facts. And since you keep insisting repetitively that I admit I was wrong when I never accused you of being wrong, it seems as though you are doing your level best to provide ample evidence that my opinion is, in fact, correct. :)

You're lying to dodge.
Not unexpected.

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Pathetic sarcasm meter you've got too... or are you lying yet again?

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I know, right!!

After the cowardice and LEAD FROM BEHIND (AKA The Coward Of The Country) bullshit from Odumo and his minions, President Trump's and General Mattis' bravery and courage is a welcome breath of fresh air...

"She's a breath of fresh ass... I mean a breast of fresh air.."
-Artimus Gordon, WILD WILD WEST

:D

I just as nicely asked that if I DO find the points, will you concede that you were wrong and I was right..

I have been burned too many times by ya'all to spend time researching only to have the facts ignored...

So, I'll... with the utmost respect and admiration, ask again..

If I PROVE my point, will you concede that you were wrong and I was right??

I would like to take the opportunity to outline what I think is a huge problem of yours.

In YOUR opinion.. :D

Once you substantiate all the BS you have spewed, I'll be happy to reciprocate..

Demanding something of others that you refuse to do yourself is hypocrisy..

And THAT'S how you handle bullies!!!

Way Ta Go, President Trump!!!!

If I post the facts and prove that I am dead on, will you concede the point?? :D

I would like to take the opportunity to outline what I think is a huge problem of yours. I asked you a simple question, and I took great pains to reiterate on more than one occasion that it was a question and not to be confused with an accusation... repeat... repeat.

So you come back with your bullshit and act like it's a damn accusation. Just answer the damn question. You're acting as though everyone here said this, and you keep posting it claiming we did. So it's a simple question.

So you said: And if Weigantians hadn't made such hysterical BS proclamations that the stock market would bottom out or explode if President Trump was elected, I wouldn't be pointing out how wrong they all were... :D

So please just answer whether or not you may have confused this with the Brexit vote, and if not, I would be interested in seeing "such hysterical BS proclamations that the stock market would bottom out or explode if (obviously no one called him president at the time) Trump was elected."

Thank you. :)

Go general!!!

Not turning the other cheek is truly exemplary and unusual in these parts.

Let's praise children for eating all their ice cream too.

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You made the claim about cheerleading for the stock market... you back it up.
Name names, dates and times.

You demanding I prove a negative may be par on your putt-putt course, but it won't sell here.

Of course, that still wouldn't explain Trump's bull.

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Cointelpro and Operation Chaos are proven history... complete with congressional hearings and top secret document verification released through the FOIA.

The hippies got something right.
- Dodgeball

Criminal behavior targeting leftists from the nations top law enforcement agency and intelligence agency is well worth remembering as it remains a fact of life.

(the British just had an inquiry about government agents infiltrating activist groups, and the police in Germany just got caught making false claims about G20 protestors in Hamburg... so it's not just a problem in America)

Or are you just bitter that your lies and false equivalency about BLM were called out in a thread dominated by a discussion of a white supremacist killing an innocent protestor and injuring 15 others, and making Trump look ever worse with his pathetic response?

Or maybe you'll trot out a story about someone throwing a rock in an attempt to justify the murder again?
Not that you offered any evidence of course, but the notion that a cracked windshield is worth a life and other injuries does reek of yet another desperate attempt to defend the indefensible... and an underlying motivation... but that's just my opinion.

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There is no acceptable defense at this point for Blotus, for his horrible sidekicks, for his criminality and cowardice, and especially for the violence he has loosed upon us. He has wanted Americans to be afraid of him, and afraid of his murderous followers. I am afraid of them in that they are armed and dangerous, and I'm not. They could kill me easily. They could hurt me easily. They will hurt and kill people physically weaker than them. Unarmed people. There is no forgiving that and no excusing that.

But from the second America's morons elected Blotus a showdown was inevitable. I am heartened at the outcry against these nazis. There are more decent Americans than these murderous thugs. Our system is fighting back, our citizens are fighting back. And there is redemption for people who blew it with their votes, know it, acknowledge it, and learn from it.

Blotus hit 34% in Gallup today. He will go lower. This may be the tipping point. Because it, too, is inevitable.

And meanwhile, what about General what's his name who was going to straighten Blotus out? Did he force Blotus's insincere teleprompter speech I wonder? Will he force Bannon, Miller etc. out? Because they have to go. As does Blotus.

"The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot."

Yep, I can think of a bunch of racist scumbags who fit that bill..

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

Ooorraaaaaaa

"There is nothing better than getting shot at and missed. It’s really great."

Heh... been there....

"You cannot allow any of your people to avoid the brutal facts. If they start living in a dream world, it’s going to be bad."

And that's what it's like around here.. Bad...

"I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all."

One of my favorites...

Lil Runt Kim made a big mistake trying to test the mettle of SecDef Mattis...

Go MAD DOG!!! :D

That's why I never took Right Wingers seriously when they ranted about Odumbo in EXACTLY this same manner..

I mean, TRY to think about it objectively..

THE PRESIDENT IS A NAZI!!!

is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than

THE PRESIDENT IS A MUSLIM MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!!!!!

Both totally hysterical "truth" without a HINT of factual evidence....

You people (NEN) are no different than the Hysterical Right Wingers ya'all condemned throughout the Odumbo years...

Yea... NO bigotry there... :D

Of course, then you concede that Mueller and Comey are morons..

"Oh NO!! THEY are OK because they are doing what I want!!!"
-Balthasar

:D

If I post the facts and prove that I am dead on, will you concede the point?? :D

Go Paula! You go, girl!

Like I said...

It's impossible to take ANYONE seriously who hysterically rants about the President in such a manner..

That's why I never took Right Wingers seriously when they ranted about Odumbo in EXACTLY this same manner..

There will be no leadership from him on this because he is a white nationalist/nazi himself. And he has nazis in his cabinet.

Yep... and unless and until Trump removes Miller, Gorka, and Bannon from the people's White House, why should anyone conclude otherwise? Many of the righties want to compartmentalize the issue and move on, but this issue didn't happen in a vacuum; the Birther-in-Chief has a long history that precedes his 2016 campaign by decades.

At least he finally uttered the words he seems so intent on avoiding for reasons that are unclear to me ... neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK, other hate groups ...

I believe for the same reason he won't criticize Putin, as this article does a marvelous job in explanation:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-putin-connections-to-american-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-2017-8

But, his little address today, starting off as it did with his great economic achievements, struck me as not only being late but still not nearly enough.

Totally agree with EM's entire post... EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. It's the simplest thing you could possibly do as President of the United States... to denounce Nazis, white nationalists, and white supremacists giving Nazi salutes and shouting "sieg heil" and the N-word at passers-by... so why won't this President do that in no uncertain terms?

And as long as Stephen Miller, Sebastian Gorka, and Steve Bannon... former CEO of Breitbart, the "platform for the alt-right"... are allowed a place in the White House as policy advisors and Chief Strategist to the President of the United States, why would anyone dismiss the idea that President Trump is providing a platform for the alt-right?

And if Weigantians hadn't made such hysterical BS proclamations that the stock market would bottom out or explode if President Trump was elected, I wouldn't be pointing out how wrong they all were... :D

You keep posting this accusation over and over. I don't recall anyone saying this (not to be confused with an accusation... I'm asking). Are you perhaps confusing the Brexit vote with the U.S. election? <-- A question... not to be confused with an accusation. Thank you. :)

At least he finally uttered the words he seems so intent on avoiding for reasons that are unclear to me ... neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK, other hate groups ...

But, his little address today, starting off as it did with his great economic achievements, struck me as not only being late but still not nearly enough.

He didn't spell out the vicious agenda of these groups and I'm not even sure if he understands what these hate groups are about or that the threat they pose goes way beyond Charlottesville or the real fear of these groups that so many of his fellow citizens feel when they are reminded of the abhorrent history of the KKK at the sight of hundreds of angry white men wielding torches ...

No, the president didn't go nearly far enough.

Maybe next time ...

Yes.. I disagree with their ACTIONS of hurting and killing people...

What's your point??

So we had already established that yesterday... that you disagreed with their actions... and me stating today that you disagreed with them isn't the equivalent of me saying you disagreed "SOLELY because there is disagreement" when we've obviously already established yesterday that you disagreed with their actions. Nowhere did I say you disagreed with them "SOLELY" for one reason.

Apparently, you think I am fooling a lot of people because you hysterically try to spin what I say to make your bogus point. :D

I don't have to spin what you said on this same webpage since I can quote it and link to it.

Michale: These racist dirtbags attack people solely because they are a different color or a different religion..

Kick: Sure, if you're directly attacked, you would naturally have a right to defend yourself, but if you're advocating the use of firearms against a group you don't like for being violent, then you're simply responding to dirtbaggery by becoming a dirtbag (no offense, borrowing your term).

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/11/netroots-energized-and-looking-forward/#comment-107603

That was yesterday. You're obviously advocating violence against a group you disagree with. Nowhere in my post today did I say you were advocating violence "SOLELY because there is disagreement," although... seriously... it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to determine your disagreement with a group you refer to as "Only Black Lives Matter," just to highlight that which is so obviously obvious. :)

Yer trying too hard.. Everyone can see that..

You're projecting again. It's your daily routine that if anyone makes a valid point, you simply put words in their mouth and dismiss them. The CEO of Merck? Put words in his mouth and dismiss him as a hypocrite at post [211].

Own it... it's your standard operational bullshit that plays out here near daily. :)

Go Paula! You go, girl!

It's true - while we knew the Right was filled with idjuts, we just never thought that the entire right were morons. Believing the best about people, and all that. Truly, that mainstream Republicans would vote for this manic clown came as a complete shock to us.

We won't make that mistake again, trust me.

There will be no leadership from him on this because he is a white nationalist/nazi himself. And he has nazis in his cabinet.

Once again, the "truth" according to Paula.. :D

THIS is exactly why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take ya'all seriously...

It's nothing but hysterical bullshit.....

That also happened days ago and the condemnation from the Left??

{{chhhiirrrrrpppppppp}} {{cccchhhiirrrrrrppppppp}}

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/508086/

Donald Trump Is Following His Usual White Nationalist Playbook

There will be no leadership from him on this because he is a white nationalist/nazi himself. And he has nazis in his cabinet.

Yea, the NORKS said the same thing about Odumbo..

Was it valid then??

Of course not.. It's *ONLY* valid when it's said against a person with a '-R' after their name...

Party bigotry.. Nothing more...

No.. No one here in Weigantia takes Trump seriously...

No one amongst the Left Wingery takes Trump seriously...

Ya'all never did..

And THAT is why he won the election... :D

Don't ya'all feel like idjuts.. :D

Really? When nobody from here to Zanzibar takes a single thing Trump says seriously? How many more times will Tillerson and Mattis have to step forward to 'clarify' the president's remarks, or will Sarah Huckabee Sanders have to assert that he was only "joking"?

Even the North Koreans called out Trump for what they called a "load of nonsense". Since that's not really an english phrase, I assume that a more accurate translation would be "load of bullshit".

It takes one to know one, as they say.

That's what I like about you, JL.. Next to Liz, yer the ONLY one who will give President Trump credit when it's due...

JL

Yea, the Left is as pure as the driven snow.. :^/

As usual, you make claims that have absolutely NO SUBSTANTIATION or facts to support.. :D

I have been cheering the rise of the stock market because it shows how absolutely WRONG Weigantians have been with their hysterical anti-Trump predictions..

:D And you just hate it because you know I am dead on ballz accurate.. :D

A dishonest dodge yet again.

Coming from you, that's a compliment.. :D

As usual, you are now falsely claiming that the cheering for the stock market is simply to refute unnamed Weigantians, when you have in fact been using it to tout the effectiveness of Trump making something great again, when it's mostly benefitting the few, and not benefitting the majority... and is a poor indicator of the health and vitality of our economy.

A dishonest dodge yet again.

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I know you're arguing with a type who makes false claims... i.e. claiming cop killers are BLM activists when they weren't, or that antiFas are left wingers when you don't need to be a left winger to oppose fascism (see current news reports about Repubs condemning fascists). when condemning fascism doesn't make you a left winger (see status quo Democrats), when antiFas itself doesn't claim to be a left wing organization, and when the counter-demonstration in Cville wasn't even organized by that group... but I do still feel the need to comment about this-

"I do however remember when left wingers went on a riot rampage in Seattle at the World Trade Conference, being widely condemned, as well as other instances since."

The people who chose to riot in Seattle were not part of the left wing organizations who were peacefully demonstrating in Seattle.
Opportunities to riot attract people who seek opportunities to riot.
And while I'm sure there are exceptions, those people generally do not conform to left wing ideologies.

I'm not aware of any investigation in Seattle that determined the political ideologies of those arrested for violence.

And, just for the sake of relevance, anyone familiar with Cointelpro or Operation Chaos or some of the incidents around Occupy, history has shown that violence that has occurred during left wing protests has often been the result of agent provacateurs.

So, it is worth considering that the left is intentionally targeted and falsely blamed in an effort to smear them, and that joining in by repeating such claims puts you on iffy ground in a general sense.

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So, honestly.. Why should anyone believe ya'all have any credibility???

So, in other words, all the of encouragement for President Trump to say something was hypocritical because it wasn't going to be acceptable anyways..

Thank you for proving my point...

Not half as happy as the basket of deplorables who marched at that rally, who believe that Trump's two days of tacit approval is all they need to know about where the President stands on the matter.

As John Oliver said last night: “Nazis are a lot like cats. If they like you, it’s probably because you’re feeding them.”

After two days of silence on the matter, Trump's statement about racism today carries all of the sincerity of a schoolboy apologizing while his mother stands beside him, holding his ear.

And alt-right guru Bannon is still at his post, organizing his 'poisons' shelf.

The message was heard loud and clear, but it wasn't the message that Trump reluctantly made today.

"You DO know how to talk to me, JOHN SHEPARD!!!"
-Todd, STARGATE ATLANTIS

:D

Which doesn't CHANGE the **FACT** that we have the Dumbocrat Party to thank for the KKK...

Considering the hysterical bigotry on display by the CURRENT Dumbocrat Party, it's obvious that today's Party has a LOT in common with the Party that started the KKK..

Sorry, if it upsets you, but the Dumbocrat Party's history and the KKK's history is intertwined and will be for all of eternity..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

The modern KKK is all your modern Repukeocrat party's problem, they are the ones who currently own it, lock, stock and barrel, cupcake.

If I were a Republican, you might have a point..

But I am not, so you don't.. :D

"And who do we have to THANK for the KKK???

Yep.. The Dumbocrat Party..

The KKK is all yers, sunshine.. Without the Dumbocrat Party, there wouldn't have BEEN any KKK...."

More BULLSHIT and FALSE equivalency again. You ignore the switch that took place between the Republican and Democratic parties during the Johnson and Nixon administrations. They effectively switched places. Neither one currently shares anything in common with their historical ancestors other than their current names.

The modern KKK is all your modern Repukeocrat party's problem, they are the ones who currently own it, lock, stock and barrel, cupcake.

Like I said..

President Trump could do EXACTLY as you want him to and you would STILL find something to bitch about..

I can't, since I was not a member then and it happened in 1999.

What about the "other instances since"???

I'll make it easy for ya...

Within the last year...

gOT mILK?? :D

And if Weigantians hadn't made such hysterical BS proclamations that the stock market would bottom out or explode if President Trump was elected, I wouldn't be pointing out how wrong they all were... :D

Kick: And although I don't have the pleasure of being an "M"... I too agree with EM, NM, and JM. :)

Oh yeah, I agree too. Endorsement given.

"Ya'all happy now???

Of course not.. Yer Party bigotry won't allow you to be satisfied with ANYTHING President Trump says...

President Trump did something that Odumbo couldn't EVER do...

Condemn evil with specificity...."

Bullshit. And NO, I am not entirely happy. But at least he FINALLY did say SOMETHING. Though it really would have mattered more and made the most impact, had he made the statement right after the event had happened. Instead he waited until after 48 hours had passed and after receiving tremendous political blow back, even from his own party, over how inadequate his first statements were. It's almost a case of too little too late now, and an attempt at political damage control, rather than out of any real moral outrage or concern. In fact, it smacks a lot more of political cowardice and a fear of unfavorable consequences, rather than courage and statesmanship. That IS going to be the perception.

"I do however remember when left wingers went on a riot rampage in Seattle at the World Trade Conference, being widely condemned, as well as other instances since.

Yea??? Here in Weigantia???

Show me.... Prove it..."

I can't, since I was not a member then and it happened in 1999.

Shocker... :D

As long as ya'all concede that your claims are not the truth, then I won't say boo.. :D

87% of all stocks are owned by the 1%.

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It is also my opinion that he has an uncanny ability to attract voters with messages they want to hear and to keep their support even when he fails to live up to those messages."

John M: I too agree with both Elizabeth and neilm.

And although I don't have the pleasure of being an "M"... I too agree with EM, NM, and JM. :)

Yea, you told me.. But your actions here belay that claim..

I don't recall any left wing murderers. -

Really?? Never heard of James Hodgkison???

Never heard of 5 cops being gunned down in Dallas?? 3 cops in Baton Rouge??

But you prove my point for me... YOu ignore ANY violence from the Left..

Unlike the KKK, for example, which has never ceased its violence since the 1860's right up to the present day.

And who do we have to THANK for the KKK???

Yep.. The Dumbocrat Party..

The KKK is all yers, sunshine.. Without the Dumbocrat Party, there wouldn't have BEEN any KKK....

"So, you wouldn't speak out against it at all?? You would just accept it and defend the employer's legal right to do that??

Yea.. Like I said..

AT night..

Not LAST night.. :D"

Like others have warned you Michale, please don't put words in my mouth or assume what I would do, especially when I have already told you otherwise.

I don't recall any left wing murderers. - I take that back, or at least I have to modify it a little, IF you want to go ALL the way back to the 1970's and groups like The Weathermen or the Red Army Faction etc. They were also condemned and we have not seen their kind of left wing radical violence since.

Unlike the KKK, for example, which has never ceased its violence since the 1860's right up to the present day.

Yea and the scumbags who destroyed Berkeley were ALSO at an anti-fascist demonstration..

Funny how no one (NEN) here condemned THAT destruction...

At an OBLM protest, FIVE cops were gunned down in cold blood..

Funny how no one here condemned OBLM for that...

I realize that your "truth" is that there is no hate and violence and intolerance coming from the Left..

But the FACTS paint a completely different picture...

James Hodgkison... The fact that you forget that proves my point..

I do however remember when left wingers went on a riot rampage in Seattle at the World Trade Conference, being widely condemned, as well as other instances since.

Yea??? Here in Weigantia???

Show me.... Prove it...

Ya'all happy now???

Of course not.. Yer Party bigotry won't allow you to be satisfied with ANYTHING President Trump says...

President Trump did something that Odumbo couldn't EVER do...

Condemn evil with specificity....

"But when it's Left Wing scumbags assaulting and killing people and burning neighborhoods, it's "Ho hum, what's new on TV??"

The hypocrisy is pathetic..."

Now who's trying to SPIN things??? Again, false moral equivalency.

The woman who was killed as part of the ant-fascist demonstration, in no way is on the same level with the Nazi demonstrators who showed up with guns and in body armor. I don't recall any left wing murderers. I do however remember when left wingers went on a riot rampage in Seattle at the World Trade Conference, being widely condemned, as well as other instances since.

What's your point??

Unlike ya'all, I disagree with those actions, REGARDLESS of any PARTY considerations..

Ya'all (NEN) cannot make the same claim...

Where were all ya'all's Berkeley condemnations??

Non-existent..

So, you wouldn't speak out against it at all?? You would just accept it and defend the employer's legal right to do that??

Yea.. Like I said..

AT night..

Not LAST night.. :D

Yes.. I disagree with their ACTIONS of hurting and killing people...

What's your point??

I hope you're not deluding yourself that you're fooling anyone else but yourself. :)

Apparently, you think I am fooling a lot of people because you hysterically try to spin what I say to make your bogus point. :D

Yer trying too hard.. Everyone can see that..

You can spin it all you want...

How is saying ISLAMIC TERRORISTS describing ALL of Islam??

Answer: It isn't.. It's specifying a specific group....

The chickens have come home to roost, and Charlottesville is what we see as the result.

Yea, it's funny how ya'all say that about Charlottesville..

But when it's Left Wing scumbags assaulting and killing people and burning neighborhoods, it's "Ho hum, what's new on TV??"

The hypocrisy is pathetic...

"So, are you saying that you would NOT have a problem with a guy being fired SOLELY because it attended an LGBTQRSTUV rally???

Com'on, JM!!

I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night..."

I did NOT say I would personally agree with it, but unlike the instance of the cake for a gay wedding, I would acknowledge that in this instance, they would still be perfectly within their legal rights to do so.

Uh... Yes you did..

Wrong. We had a conversation yesterday wherein we had already established that you disagreed with their violence, and obviously you're not advocating taking up arms against them because you agree with them.

Nowhere did I encourage fellow Americans to take up arms against people they disagree with...

Why would you encourage fellow Americans to take up arms against people you agreed with? We'd obviously already covered the fact that you disagreed with their violence. You disagree with their actions so obviously you disagree with them and encouraged "open season."

NOW whose making up shit and spin'ing her ass off... :D

Who is Michale. I'll take "Issues Already Discussed On This Webpage" for $500, Alex. *LOL* Also, if you'd like to be referred to as "her," I'm sure the group could accommodate that. Those were direct quotes from our conversation yesterday where we'd already established that you disagreed with these groups because of their violence... no spin required on my part, merely quoting statements from yesterday versus the utter nonsensical exercise of yours wherein you pretend every post is conversation that is wholly contained within one comment box.

The same reason I don't allow myself to buy into your bullshit spin.. :D

You "buy into" and post the bullshit spin of a multitude of alt-right websites and admittedly love the pathologically lying con artist that is the BLOTUS -- Big Liar of the United States -- yet you claim to take issue with spin. Nice try, though. I hope you're not deluding yourself that you're fooling anyone else but yourself. :)

"Where was that sentiment from ya'all when Odumbo refused to call Islamic evil by it's name??

Ahh yes... Ya'all don't care about evil or it's name..

It's nothing but PARTY UBER ALLES"

Take a good look in the MIRROR Michale, and ask yourself:

Don't you realize there is a difference??? Between IMPLYING ALL of Islam or Christianity (or Mexicans or immigrants, or refugees) as criminals, or terrorists, or evil, and all NAZIS or KKK members as such???

Trump is being JUSTLY criticized for trying to make that same FALSE MORAL EQUIVALENCY.

The chickens have come home to roost, and Charlottesville is what we see as the result.

*IF* it happens, we'll burn that bridge when we come to it.. :D

But, I have a track record of condemning President Trump when I feel he deserves it..

Unlike most of ya'all who refused to condemn Odumbo at all... :D

"President Trump

STOCKS SOAR...

Making America Great Again

Gotta love it... :D"

And when the stock market inevitably turns down and falls again like it always does???

Or IF Trump does something really stupid that spooks the stock market???

Will you still give Trump credit then for making America great again??? Or will you equally criticize him for it???

So, are you saying that you would NOT have a problem with a guy being fired SOLELY because it attended an LGBTQRSTUV rally???

Com'on, JM!!

I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night...

:^/

Like I said...

Where was that sentiment from ya'all when Odumbo refused to call Islamic evil by it's name??

Ahh yes... Ya'all don't care about evil or it's name..

It's nothing but PARTY UBER ALLES

"So, if some business fires a straight employee for attending a Pro-LGBQRSTUV rally, that is perfectly acceptable???

Gotta love the double-standards and blatant hypocrisy..."

Who's??? Yours???

It would in fact be perfectly legal. Especially since he was not fired for an innate condition over which he has no control, his "straightness" but over his conduct that his employer felt reflected poorly on their business image. Now, whether he should be free to do whatever he wants on his own time away from work, without any impact on his job, is another question entirely.

Anti-discrimination laws protect you from arbitrary sanctions based on physical characteristics like race, gender, sexual orientation (both gay and straight) etc.

They do not protect you from the consequences of any actions you take.

You can't be discriminated against for being an alcoholic.

You CAN however be fired from your job for drunk driving.

No, I am just getting tired of everyone demanding citations, yet refusing to provide citations for ANY of their claims..

"It is my opinion that Donald Trump does not possess the requisite knowledge nor the inclination to learn to act competently as the president of the United States of America.

It is also my opinion that he has an uncanny ability to attract voters with messages they want to hear and to keep their support even when he fails to live up to those messages."

I too agree with both Elizabeth and neilm.

"Prove it.

I'll be happy to..

Once you provide all the citations I have requested from you.. :D"

You sound JUST as EVASIVE as Trump, which is hardly surprising. Maybe I should let Orrin Hatch help you out?

"We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home."

Or this other gem that has been widely quoted this morning:

"When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changed you."

Thank you, JM for helping me to prove my point.. :D

But it's STILL someone's "truth"...

Which is exactly my point..

Many MANY "truths" are not factual and are dependent on perspective and point of view...

My point in bringing that up is to show that dictionary definitions are not always factually accurate..

"marriage
noun
a legally accepted relationship between a man and a woman in which they live as husband and wife, or the official ceremony which results in this:
[ C ] a long and happy marriage

Is it REALLY just "my opinion"???

Or is it factual??"

It MAY be YOUR OPINION, but it is NO LONGER FACTUAL, as the DEFINITION of marriage has changed since that statement was written.

A more accurate, truthful and factual definition of marriage would now read as: a legally accepted relationship between any two individuals (regardless of sex or gender) in which they live as spouse and spouse, or the official ceremony which results in this:

Just like the definition of the universe and our place in it before and after Copernicus changed from an Earth centered one, where the sun went around the Earth, to a sun centered one, where the Earth revolves around the sun instead.

STOCKS SOAR...
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/geopolitics-and-earnings-remain-front-and-center-for-wall-street.html

Making America Great Again

Gotta love it... :D

There are monsters in America and their leader is a fat, orange-faced, spray-headed, traitorous disgrace.

And here we have Paula's "truth"... :D

Great timing.. :D

There is no going back from this weekend.

Ooooooooooo TRUMP IS TOAST PREDICTION #10,964

:D

I'll be happy to..

Once you provide all the citations I have requested from you.. :D

Anyone with a brain could see it coming.

There are monsters in America and their leader is a fat, orange-faced, spray-headed, traitorous disgrace.

There is no going back from this weekend.

Uh... Yes you did..

As I said, encouraging your fellow Americans to take up arms against people they disagree with would be fighting dirtbaggery by becoming a dirtbag.
-Kick

Nowhere did I encourage fellow Americans to take up arms against people they disagree with...

Since you're obviously not encouraging the use of firearms against these groups because you agree with them,

NOW whose making up shit and spin'ing her ass off... :D

So "you are sure Heather's mother feels that way," but you weren't saying that yesterday, and today when presented with facts that refute what you said yesterday, you simply ignore those facts in favor of your opinion with the utterly nonsensical response: "I am sure."

Nice spin.. :D

why don't you allow yourself to consider the possibility that the "scumbag" who perpetrated this act for whatever reason may have simply decided to do so using the reasoning:

The same reason I don't allow myself to buy into your bullshit spin.. :D

Mueller is an Anti-Trumper who stocked his team with other Anti-Trumpers to make it easier to take down President Trump...

Prove it.

“It’s not a First Amendment issue,” she said. “Remember, that only protects you from actions by the government based on your speech. It doesn’t protect you from actions by your private employer. It’s also probably not a discrimination issue, because going to a rally like this, participating like this, doesn’t make you a member of a protected class.”

So, if some business fires a straight employee for attending a Pro-LGBQRSTUV rally, that is perfectly acceptable???

Gotta love the double-standards and blatant hypocrisy... :^/

If I had advocated taking up arms against people SOLELY because there is disagreement, you would have a point..

But I didn't, so you don't...

Of course I have a point, and once again and as per usual, you take my words and spin them in order to dismiss them... it's what you do here nearly daily. Nowhere did I say you were advocating taking up arms against people "SOLELY because there is disagreement."

I said:

* It's "not part of the solution to dehumanize your fellow citizens by referring to them as animals and encourage others to take up arms against them."

* "If you're advocating the use of firearms against a group you don't like for being violent, then you're simply responding to dirtbaggery by becoming a dirtbag.

Since you're obviously not encouraging the use of firearms against these groups because you agree with them, and we've already established that you disagreed with them for their violence, then spare us your bullshit spin when you incessantly whine that you value facts. You cannot claim to value facts when you constantly spin them when you're presented with them.

Yes, I am sure Heather's mother feels that way.. Just as I am sure many in Heather's family feel as I would if someone took my loved one from me...

So "you are sure Heather's mother feels that way," but you weren't saying that yesterday, and today when presented with facts that refute what you said yesterday, you simply ignore those facts in favor of your opinion with the utterly nonsensical response: "I am sure."

So while you're opining that you are "sure many in Heather's family feel as I would if someone took my loved one from me," why don't you allow yourself to consider the possibility that the "scumbag" who perpetrated this act for whatever reason may have simply decided to do so using the reasoning:

Sorry, in my book, once ANY of those groups cross the line into physical violence.... It's open season. ~ Michale

EXCEPT when it's OBLM scumbags who are expressing those EXACT sentiments.. :^/

Pure, unadulterated hypocrisy....

How is this any different than Odumbo failing to specifically call out Islamic terrorists for their attacks and violence??

Answer: It's not...

No there is not...

'nuff said...

Exactly...

It's hard to know what the "truth" is...

It's EASY to know what the FACTS are.....

Mueller is an Anti-Trumper who stocked his team with other Anti-Trumpers to make it easier to take down President Trump...

If I had advocated taking up arms against people SOLELY because there is disagreement, you would have a point..

But I didn't, so you don't...

Yes, I am sure Heather's mother feels that way.. Just as I am sure many in Heather's family feel as I would if someone took my loved one from me...

That's your opinion and I respect that...

But I have a feeling the family of the woman killed by those retched forms of pond scum would disagree with you and agree with me..

Let's review how that "feeling" you had about the family of the woman killed... Heather Heyer... turned out. As I said, encouraging your fellow Americans to take up arms against people they disagree with would be fighting dirtbaggery by becoming a dirtbag. I'll leave it to you to select your own website since it's all over the Internet.

I think he’s still very young, and I’m sorry he believed that hate could fix problems. Hate only brings more hate. Heather was not about hate, Heather was about stopping hatred. Heather was about bringing an end to injustice.

She began to cry as she added, I don’t want her death to be a focus for more hatred, I want her death to be a rallying cry for justice and equality and fairness and compassion. I’m very sorry that he chose that path because he has now ruined his life as well as robbed a great many of us of someone we love very much.

No mother wants to lose a child, but I’m proud of her, she said. I’m proud of what she did.

In other news, Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier issued a statement quitting the president's American Manufacturing Council over the president's lack of leadership regarding the events in Charlotte and immediately earned a more vigorous denunciation from the president than the neo-Nazis. :(

http://www.businessinsider.com/merck-ceo-kenneth-frazier-resigns-from-trump-manufacturing-council-2017-8

'nuff said...

It IS a fact.. Mueller's legal team is populated with NOT-45 supporters/donors...

Just stating a fact...

It isn't a fact, it is an incorrect conclusion based on the thinking of a seriously underpowered brain (45's, not yours).

I'll let ya know when ya'all have some FACTS that prove it will happen.. :D

Just stating a fact...

This may play well with the fan boys and many will lap up the conspiracy theories, but the hard legal facts are the only thing that will count in court.

Lemme know when ya'all have some hard legal facts that prove President Trump did anything wrong. :D

I agree with Elizabeth.

OK, so you have the same opinion as Liz...

But it's NOT the truth....

Just so long as we're clear on that..

Well, that's YOUR opinion. :)

It is also my opinion that he has an uncanny ability to attract voters with messages they want to hear and to keep their support even when he fails to live up to those messages.

I agree with Elizabeth.

I'm not a 45 fan, so if you want to encourage his legally disastrous approach to this (i.e. ad hominem attacks on the investigators) then go right ahead.

This may play well with the fan boys and many will lap up the conspiracy theories, but the hard legal facts are the only thing that will count in court.

If 45 loses the court case his fate will be in Ryan and McConnell's hands. How much are you looking forward to that?

It is also my opinion that he has an uncanny ability to attract voters with messages they want to hear and to keep their support even when he fails to live up to those messages.

OK.. So what you are saying is not the truth, it's just your opinion...

That's great....