Comments on: Trump's Base Support Begins To Erode http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/ Reality-based political commentary Wed, 06 May 2026 04:08:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107104 Michale Sat, 05 Aug 2017 06:21:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107104 <I>my guess is polarization. republicans from blue states and democrats from red states switch for self-preservation. some of those states are so polarized that the minority party can no longer win, no matter how much an individual candidate is liked by the voters.</I> In other words, politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle will likely look out for themselves first and foremost and switching from one Party to the other Party is not indicative of one Party being "better" than the other Party... That about sum it up?? my guess is polarization. republicans from blue states and democrats from red states switch for self-preservation. some of those states are so polarized that the minority party can no longer win, no matter how much an individual candidate is liked by the voters.

In other words, politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle will likely look out for themselves first and foremost and switching from one Party to the other Party is not indicative of one Party being "better" than the other Party...

That about sum it up??

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107074 nypoet22 Fri, 04 Aug 2017 18:50:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107074 @ts, nixon was a very bright guy, but nothing like the showman donald is. it may be going faster, but that movement is mostly in circles. @liz/michale, my guess is polarization. republicans from blue states and democrats from red states switch for self-preservation. some of those states are so polarized that the minority party can no longer win, no matter how much an individual candidate is liked by the voters. JL @ts,

nixon was a very bright guy, but nothing like the showman donald is. it may be going faster, but that movement is mostly in circles.

@liz/michale,

my guess is polarization. republicans from blue states and democrats from red states switch for self-preservation. some of those states are so polarized that the minority party can no longer win, no matter how much an individual candidate is liked by the voters.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107050 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:35:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107050 <I>Seriously, I haven't delved too much into it..</I> TRANSLATION: <B>I was being shallow and just looking to score points.</B> :D Seriously, I haven't delved too much into it..

TRANSLATION: I was being shallow and just looking to score points.

:D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107049 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:33:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107049 <I>Why did the governor make the switch, Michale?</I> My guess is that he wanted to be on the winning side.. :D Seriously, I haven't delved too much into it.. It just seems that every time a GOP'er defects to the DEM Party, the rank and file Weigantians (NEN) swoon how this "proves" that the GOP sucks.. I was simply curious if that works in reverse.. :D But, if you would like to discuss it in detail, I'll be happy to research it.. Why did the governor make the switch, Michale?

My guess is that he wanted to be on the winning side.. :D

Seriously, I haven't delved too much into it..

It just seems that every time a GOP'er defects to the DEM Party, the rank and file Weigantians (NEN) swoon how this "proves" that the GOP sucks..

I was simply curious if that works in reverse.. :D

But, if you would like to discuss it in detail, I'll be happy to research it..

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107048 Elizabeth Miller Fri, 04 Aug 2017 12:20:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107048 Why did the governor make the switch, Michale? Why did the governor make the switch, Michale?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107047 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:31:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107047 Ya'all have your polls which have a PROVEN track record of being wrong as wrong can be... <B>Krauthammer: Trump's West Virginia rally shows he has a 'formidable army' of supporters Conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer labeled President Donald Trump’s rally in West Virginia on Thursday night a “very important demonstration” by the president to reaffirm that his base still had his back.</B> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/krauthammer-trumps-west-virginia-rally-shows-has-formidable-army-supporters.html And then there is the reality.... President Trump's base is just fine... :D Ya'all have your polls which have a PROVEN track record of being wrong as wrong can be...

Krauthammer: Trump's West Virginia rally shows he has a 'formidable army' of supporters

Conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer labeled President Donald Trump’s rally in West Virginia on Thursday night a “very important demonstration” by the president to reaffirm that his base still had his back.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/krauthammer-trumps-west-virginia-rally-shows-has-formidable-army-supporters.html

And then there is the reality....

President Trump's base is just fine... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107038 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:41:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107038 <I>Having lived through Watergate, the Trump remake seems to be progressing much, much faster.</I> TRUMP IS TOAST prediction #7986 Having lived through Watergate, the Trump remake seems to be progressing much, much faster.

TRUMP IS TOAST prediction #7986

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107035 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:27:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107035 So, in the spirit of serious conversation and discussion.. What is the significance of West Virginia's governor becoming a Republican and leaving the Democratic Party?? So, in the spirit of serious conversation and discussion..

What is the significance of West Virginia's governor becoming a Republican and leaving the Democratic Party??

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107033 Michale Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:19:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107033 <I>More specifically, this strongly suggests that Mueller is contemplating criminal charges. You don’t need a grand jury for anything else.</I> Of course Mueller is contemplating criminal charges.. He has to justify his existence SOMEHOW.. Any real evidence to support that President Trump is the target of those charges?? No?? Didna think so... More specifically, this strongly suggests that Mueller is contemplating criminal charges. You don’t need a grand jury for anything else.

Of course Mueller is contemplating criminal charges.. He has to justify his existence SOMEHOW..

Any real evidence to support that President Trump is the target of those charges??

No??

Didna think so...

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107029 TheStig Fri, 04 Aug 2017 02:41:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107029 Having lived through Watergate, the Trump remake seems to be progressing much, much faster. Having lived through Watergate, the Trump remake seems to be progressing much, much faster.

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107028 TheStig Fri, 04 Aug 2017 02:38:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107028 CW- "Real Clear Politics aggregates recent polls, and included in today's average are five polls that are pretty outdated." I have never liked the RCP rolling average. Since the various polling firms have individual biases, and they tend to report in a fairly consistent pattern, the rolling average introduces a wave pattern that tends to obscure long term trends. Even so, Trump's disapproval has been increasing overall since Feb - and the trend has been basically linear for the last 6 months. There aren't a lot undecideds, so Trump approval declines in almost mirror image. If the rates don't change, Trump runs out of support about 6 months before the Congressional Elections. If you are an alert rat on the SS Trump, you are looking to jump onto anything that floats. That psychology explains a lot of the bipartisanism that has started to crop up in Congress. CW- "Real Clear Politics aggregates recent polls, and included in today's average are five polls that are pretty outdated."

I have never liked the RCP rolling average. Since the various polling firms have individual biases, and they tend to report in a fairly consistent pattern, the rolling average introduces a wave pattern that tends to obscure long term trends.

Even so, Trump's disapproval has been increasing overall since Feb - and the trend has been basically linear for the last 6 months. There aren't a lot undecideds, so Trump approval declines in almost mirror image. If the rates don't change, Trump runs out of support about 6 months before the Congressional Elections. If you are an alert rat on the SS Trump, you are looking to jump onto anything that floats. That psychology explains a lot of the bipartisanism that has started to crop up in Congress.

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107026 TheStig Fri, 04 Aug 2017 02:06:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107026 LeaningBlue - 53 Interesting post. Russia's only good card is fossil fuel and that's not the card it was in the previous century. Behind the klepto veneer, Russia is pretty desperate - they can't even make enough babies to keep their population stable. The vast agricultural hinterland is being abandoned. Desperate people are risk prone. Trump is pretty worried too as more shoes drop on. Bad mojo. LeaningBlue - 53 Interesting post. Russia's only good card is fossil fuel and that's not the card it was in the previous century. Behind the klepto veneer, Russia is pretty desperate - they can't even make enough babies to keep their population stable. The vast agricultural hinterland is being abandoned. Desperate people are risk prone. Trump is pretty worried too as more shoes drop on. Bad mojo.

]]> By: LeaningBlue http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107020 LeaningBlue Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:25:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107020 In terms of base erosion, we can't forget the Kremlin. If you haven't done so, this full statement deserves a careful reading, keeping in mind that while it's a public Facebook post, it's written by and for diplomats as well. https://www.facebook.com/Dmitry.Medvedev/posts/10154587161801851 Someday soon, a discussion has to start about international order in an age of escalating resource scarcity. For at least four thousand years, successful rulers of great powers concentrated on assurance of vital resources. Whatever the President was, is, could have been, or will be, he sees the same synergy, denominated in billions of barrels, that the Russian state sees. The union of the world's greatest extraction technology with what could prove out to be the greatest extractable reserves in the world. Genuine energy independence, deliverable in pipelines under the ice free arctic if Canada is cut in, and by tankers if not. Medvedev writes that for the "US establishment," Trump is a "non-systemic player [which] has to be removed." The US establishment can think of reasons six ways from Sunday why even entertaining such a deal with devils is so far outside norms of international order as to almost certainly lead to regional and great-power wars. If he fails -and it seems incresingly certain that he is going to- that should start a discussion of how the USA should pursue its long term social and economic domestic objectives while at the same time being mindful of its international responsibilities and prerogatives in an era of increasingly unreliable or scarce resource supplies. The ending prepositional phrase above is what's new. Neither the climate change deniers, nor Al Gore, nor the Paris Accord will admit to the world's resource predicament. Although for different fears, I'm as dystopian as the President seemed in his acceptance speech and inaugural address and elsewhere. I think there's a high probability that such a discussion will continue to be blocked by the political class until the responses and outcomes are forced in ways that won't be pretty. In terms of base erosion, we can't forget the Kremlin. If you haven't done so, this full statement deserves a careful reading, keeping in mind that while it's a public Facebook post, it's written by and for diplomats as well.
https://www.facebook.com/Dmitry.Medvedev/posts/10154587161801851

Someday soon, a discussion has to start about international order in an age of escalating resource scarcity. For at least four thousand years, successful rulers of great powers concentrated on assurance of vital resources.

Whatever the President was, is, could have been, or will be, he sees the same synergy, denominated in billions of barrels, that the Russian state sees. The union of the world's greatest extraction technology with what could prove out to be the greatest extractable reserves in the world. Genuine energy independence, deliverable in pipelines under the ice free arctic if Canada is cut in, and by tankers if not.

Medvedev writes that for the "US establishment," Trump is a "non-systemic player [which] has to be removed." The US establishment can think of reasons six ways from Sunday why even entertaining such a deal with devils is so far outside norms of international order as to almost certainly lead to regional and great-power wars.

If he fails -and it seems incresingly certain that he is going to- that should start a discussion of how the USA should pursue its long term social and economic domestic objectives while at the same time being mindful of its international responsibilities and prerogatives in an era of increasingly unreliable or scarce resource supplies.

The ending prepositional phrase above is what's new. Neither the climate change deniers, nor Al Gore, nor the Paris Accord will admit to the world's resource predicament.

Although for different fears, I'm as dystopian as the President seemed in his acceptance speech and inaugural address and elsewhere. I think there's a high probability that such a discussion will continue to be blocked by the political class until the responses and outcomes are forced in ways that won't be pretty.

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107019 TheStig Thu, 03 Aug 2017 22:27:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107019 Paula - 51 Thanks for the links! Paula - 51 Thanks for the links!

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107018 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:53:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107018 http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/now-theres-a-grand-jury-investigating-the-trump-russia-connection/ Short and SWEET! -- here's the entire entry: <i>The Trump-Russia investigation is entering a new phase. The Wall Street Journal has the story: Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, according to people familiar with the matter. ….Grand juries are powerful investigative tools that allow prosecutors to subpoena documents, put witnesses under oath and seek indictments, if there is evidence of a crime….“This is yet a further sign that there is a long-term, large-scale series of prosecutions being contemplated and being pursued by the special counsel,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas. <b>More specifically, this strongly suggests that Mueller is contemplating criminal charges. You don’t need a grand jury for anything else.<b></i> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/now-theres-a-grand-jury-investigating-the-trump-russia-connection/

Short and SWEET! -- here's the entire entry:

The Trump-Russia investigation is entering a new phase. The Wall Street Journal has the story:

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, according to people familiar with the matter.

….Grand juries are powerful investigative tools that allow prosecutors to subpoena documents, put witnesses under oath and seek indictments, if there is evidence of a crime….“This is yet a further sign that there is a long-term, large-scale series of prosecutions being contemplated and being pursued by the special counsel,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas.

More specifically, this strongly suggests that Mueller is contemplating criminal charges. You don’t need a grand jury for anything else.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107017 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:04:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107017 <I>That puts 26 states in the country that are fully in GOP hands...</I> By comparison, Democrats only have total control in 5 states.... The Democrat Party has been fully, completely and unequivocally rejected by patriotic Americans... That puts 26 states in the country that are fully in GOP hands...

By comparison, Democrats only have total control in 5 states....

The Democrat Party has been fully, completely and unequivocally rejected by patriotic Americans...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107016 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:59:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107016 <B>Democrats begin to see Pelosi as a 2018 problem</B> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article165213507.html Democrats will NOT win in 2018 with Pelois at the helm... It's THAT simple.. Democrats begin to see Pelosi as a 2018 problem
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article165213507.html

Democrats will NOT win in 2018 with Pelois at the helm...

It's THAT simple..

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107015 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:58:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107015 <B>West Virginia Governor to Switch from Democrat to Republican WASHINGTON — Gov. Jim Justice of West Virginia, a Democrat who was elected last year even as President Trump carried the state by 42 points, is expected to announce Thursday night at a rally with Mr. Trump that he is changing parties, according to three sources familiar with the plans.</B> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/us/politics/west-virginia-governor-to-switch-from-democrat-to-republican-trump.html And the hits just keep on coming... :D That puts 26 states in the country that are fully in GOP hands... West Virginia Governor to Switch from Democrat to Republican

WASHINGTON — Gov. Jim Justice of West Virginia, a Democrat who was elected last year even as President Trump carried the state by 42 points, is expected to announce Thursday night at a rally with Mr. Trump that he is changing parties, according to three sources familiar with the plans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/us/politics/west-virginia-governor-to-switch-from-democrat-to-republican-trump.html

And the hits just keep on coming... :D

That puts 26 states in the country that are fully in GOP hands...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107014 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:12:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107014 For those who claim that President Trump can't fire Mueller??? <B>“The bottom line is that President Trump has the raw power to fire Mueller — despite it being a catastrophically bad decision that should lead to his impeachment,”</B> -Neal Katyal, Lead Author Special Counsel Rules Yer wrong.... For those who claim that President Trump can't fire Mueller???

“The bottom line is that President Trump has the raw power to fire Mueller — despite it being a catastrophically bad decision that should lead to his impeachment,”
-Neal Katyal, Lead Author Special Counsel Rules

Yer wrong....

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107012 TheStig Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:33:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107012 33-DH I didn't say the low poll numbers of Congress are meaningless, they are a red flag showing that people are not happy with the Congress. What's meaningless is comparing the unpopularity of Congress with the unpopularity of President Trump. It's an apples to oranges comparison. The institutions of Congress and the Presidency are clearly separated and have different functions. As a practical matter you need to tinker with both. Consider this. I like my I house, but I like my car less. Should I get a new car based on that simple statement? I dunno, it depends on a lot of factors not obvious from the overall one on one comparison. The one to one comparison of house to car is meaningless because it has no practical utility. I'm not a single issue voter. No candidate is ever going to match my profile of the ideal candidate. I don't like pay to play politics, but that's one issue and deeply ingrained in our system since DAY ONE OF THE REPUBLIC. Likelihood of winning factors into my election day calculus, and factors fairly highly. What you trying to convince me to do is become a single issue voter, based on source of campaign finances. That's an important issue, but not the only one, and not even the dominant one in the aggregate. You are proposing a faith driven Children's Crusade. The original did not end well for the Children, who packed plenty of faith but lacked experience, arms, logistics and a plan. Go if you must, I'm defending my little manor. If a Proxmire shows up in my district, I'll be suiting up to follow him into the fight. 33-DH

I didn't say the low poll numbers of Congress are meaningless, they are a red flag showing that people are not happy with the Congress. What's meaningless is comparing the unpopularity of Congress with the unpopularity of President Trump. It's an apples to oranges comparison. The institutions of Congress and the Presidency are clearly separated and have different functions. As a practical matter you need to tinker with both.

Consider this. I like my I house, but I like my car less. Should I get a new car based on that simple statement? I dunno, it depends on a lot of factors not obvious from the overall one on one comparison. The one to one comparison of house to car is meaningless because it has no practical utility.

I'm not a single issue voter. No candidate is ever going to match my profile of the ideal candidate. I don't like pay to play politics, but that's one issue and deeply ingrained in our system since DAY ONE OF THE REPUBLIC. Likelihood of winning factors into my election day calculus, and factors fairly highly. What you trying to convince me to do is become a single issue voter, based on source of campaign finances. That's an important issue, but not the only one, and not even the dominant one in the aggregate.

You are proposing a faith driven Children's Crusade. The original did not end well for the Children, who packed plenty of faith but lacked experience, arms, logistics and a plan. Go if you must, I'm defending my little manor. If a Proxmire shows up in my district, I'll be suiting up to follow him into the fight.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107011 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:32:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107011 <I>"National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster has concluded that Rice did nothing wrong, according to two U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to me on condition of anonymity. That might explain why Trump has yet to declassify more information on the prior administration’s unmasking requests."</I> Cite??? Other than the Left Wing version of Info-Wars??? Sorry, Liz.. But that's just TOO low-hanging fruit.... "National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster has concluded that Rice did nothing wrong, according to two U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to me on condition of anonymity. That might explain why Trump has yet to declassify more information on the prior administration’s unmasking requests."

Cite???

Other than the Left Wing version of Info-Wars???

Sorry, Liz.. But that's just TOO low-hanging fruit....

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107010 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:19:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107010 http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/mcmaster-susan-rice-did-nothing-wrong/ <i>"National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster has concluded that Rice did nothing wrong, according to two U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to me on condition of anonymity. That might explain why Trump has yet to declassify more information on the prior administration’s unmasking requests." Yes, that would explain it, all right. Rice did nothing wrong; McMaster (and therefore Trump) know she did nothing wrong; and declassifying further information would simply make that clear. It’s much more fun to let things dangle. That allows the conspiracy-theory crowd to continue believing that Rice is a partisan hack who lied about Benghazi and tried to smear Trump’s campaign team.</i> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/mcmaster-susan-rice-did-nothing-wrong/

"National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster has concluded that Rice did nothing wrong, according to two U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to me on condition of anonymity. That might explain why Trump has yet to declassify more information on the prior administration’s unmasking requests."

Yes, that would explain it, all right. Rice did nothing wrong; McMaster (and therefore Trump) know she did nothing wrong; and declassifying further information would simply make that clear. It’s much more fun to let things dangle. That allows the conspiracy-theory crowd to continue believing that Rice is a partisan hack who lied about Benghazi and tried to smear Trump’s campaign team.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107008 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:05:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107008 Yer wish is my command.. :D I'll ease up on 'em... Yer wish is my command.. :D

I'll ease up on 'em...

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107006 TheStig Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:01:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107006 Thursday's Trump Tweets started a bit earlier than yesterday, but are still unusually mild mannered. Bombastic, with some dubious claims, but clearly written and nothing said that would require the WH or WH staff to put more lawyers on retainer. No ellipses causing The Joint Chiefs to wonder if we are going to war in the next 20 minutes. So, is this two day trend attributable to the new Chief-of-Staff? Are Trump tweets being reviewed and edited? We will just have to wait for more tweets and additional leaks to the NYT, WAPO etc. Thursday's Trump Tweets started a bit earlier than yesterday, but are still unusually mild mannered. Bombastic, with some dubious claims, but clearly written and nothing said that would require the WH or WH staff to put more lawyers on retainer. No ellipses causing The Joint Chiefs to wonder if we are going to war in the next 20 minutes.

So, is this two day trend attributable to the new Chief-of-Staff? Are Trump tweets being reviewed and edited? We will just have to wait for more tweets and additional leaks to the NYT, WAPO etc.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107005 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:35:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107005 Word. :-) Word.

:-)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107004 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:14:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107004 Hay... If ya'all are feeling a little overwhelmed, can't hang and need me to ease up and take it easy on ya'all... Just say the word.. :D Hay...

If ya'all are feeling a little overwhelmed, can't hang and need me to ease up and take it easy on ya'all...

Just say the word.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107003 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:09:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107003 <B>Half of Detroit’s 8 mayoral candidates are felons</B> http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/08/02/half-detroit-mayoral-candidates-felony-convictions/104244406/ Democrat governance... :^/ Half of Detroit’s 8 mayoral candidates are felons
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/08/02/half-detroit-mayoral-candidates-felony-convictions/104244406/

Democrat governance... :^/

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107002 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:07:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107002 Don, <I>Is all that meaningless or less than meaningless or did you choose not address it because you only want to address meaningless issues to reinforce your support of the Big Money Democrats (if that is who you support) and help maintain the status quo?</I> Of course, it's all meaningless in their eyes... You don't toe the Big Money Democrat Line, everything you say is "meaningless"... Of course, you and I both know that facts and reality say different.. But people like TS, et al are living in a delusional fantasy world where Democrats are always right and win every election and NOT-45 is POTUS and KOOM-BYE-YA is the song of the day... Don,

Is all that meaningless or less than meaningless or did you choose not address it because you only want to address meaningless issues to reinforce your support of the Big Money Democrats (if that is who you support) and help maintain the status quo?

Of course, it's all meaningless in their eyes...

You don't toe the Big Money Democrat Line, everything you say is "meaningless"...

Of course, you and I both know that facts and reality say different.. But people like TS, et al are living in a delusional fantasy world where Democrats are always right and win every election and NOT-45 is POTUS and KOOM-BYE-YA is the song of the day...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107001 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:05:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107001 <I>Michale: here's a direct link to the story that Paula was referring to: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/australia-mexico-transcripts/</I> Any evidence to support the transcript is factually accurate??? It *IS* WaPoop after all.. And since you are on record as making the Absurdum Fallacy argument (or whatever JL calls it) then you accept that, since WaPoop has a well-documented history of pushing anti-Trump BS..... Yer gonna need more than single sourced anonymous BS to back up yer claims.. Remember.. Ya'all make the rules.. I simply decimate yer arguments by them... :D Michale: here's a direct link to the story that Paula was referring to:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/australia-mexico-transcripts/

Any evidence to support the transcript is factually accurate???

It *IS* WaPoop after all.. And since you are on record as making the Absurdum Fallacy argument (or whatever JL calls it) then you accept that, since WaPoop has a well-documented history of pushing anti-Trump BS.....

Yer gonna need more than single sourced anonymous BS to back up yer claims..

Remember.. Ya'all make the rules.. I simply decimate yer arguments by them... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-107000 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:02:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-107000 Ya see, here is the credibility dilemma ya'all face when it comes to touting polls..... On the one hand, the polls are totally and utterly whacked when it comes to President Trump... This is well-documented.. <B>"But THIS time, the polls are right!!!!!"</B> ya'all hysterically exclaim.. aww right... aww right... THIS time the polls are right... <B>DUMBOCRATS HAVE WORSE POLL NUMBERS THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!</B> So, if ya'all want to claim the polls are right this time, that means you MUST concede that President Trump has better approval numbers then yer Dumbocrats!!! EITHER way, the Left is frak'ed.... :D Ya see, here is the credibility dilemma ya'all face when it comes to touting polls.....

On the one hand, the polls are totally and utterly whacked when it comes to President Trump... This is well-documented..

"But THIS time, the polls are right!!!!!" ya'all hysterically exclaim..

aww right... aww right... THIS time the polls are right...

DUMBOCRATS HAVE WORSE POLL NUMBERS THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!

So, if ya'all want to claim the polls are right this time, that means you MUST concede that President Trump has better approval numbers then yer Dumbocrats!!!

EITHER way, the Left is frak'ed.... :D

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106999 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:56:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106999 [32] Balthasar -- yes, the link was in the story I shared -- I just like the blogger's commentary on it, and graphic. [32] Balthasar -- yes, the link was in the story I shared -- I just like the blogger's commentary on it, and graphic.

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106997 Balthasar Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:53:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106997 Michale: here's a direct link to the story that Paula was referring to: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/australia-mexico-transcripts/ Michale: here's a direct link to the story that Paula was referring to:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/australia-mexico-transcripts/

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106996 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:09:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106996 <I>They have an excerpt in which Blotus tries to get Enrique Peña Nieto to agree to just not talk about the wall funding because Blotus knows Mexico isn't going to pay for it, but the meatheads are still screaming for that to happen and Blotus is cornered. Nieto says "no".</I> Do you have any FACTS to back up yer claim?? Because, if you don't, you're just a lying troll... They have an excerpt in which Blotus tries to get Enrique Peña Nieto to agree to just not talk about the wall funding because Blotus knows Mexico isn't going to pay for it, but the meatheads are still screaming for that to happen and Blotus is cornered. Nieto says "no".

Do you have any FACTS to back up yer claim??

Because, if you don't, you're just a lying troll...

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106995 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 14:55:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106995 My goodness, this one is fun! <i>WaPo just posted a scoop using leaked transcripts of calls Trump had with Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto shortly after taking office. The conversations reveal Trump to be a peevish, vain weakling who’s more concerned with his image than how policy affects Americans. Hoocoodanode, right? rump’s negotiating strategy appears to consist of whining and begging foreign leaders not to publicly pants him for telling cynical lies during the campaign.</i> They have an excerpt in which Blotus tries to get Enrique Peña Nieto to agree to just not talk about the wall funding because Blotus knows Mexico isn't going to pay for it, but the meatheads are still screaming for that to happen and Blotus is cornered. Nieto says "no". https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/08/03/worlds-greatest-negotiator-in-action/ My goodness, this one is fun!

WaPo just posted a scoop using leaked transcripts of calls Trump had with Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto shortly after taking office. The conversations reveal Trump to be a peevish, vain weakling who’s more concerned with his image than how policy affects Americans. Hoocoodanode, right?

rump’s negotiating strategy appears to consist of whining and begging foreign leaders not to publicly pants him for telling cynical lies during the campaign.

They have an excerpt in which Blotus tries to get Enrique Peña Nieto to agree to just not talk about the wall funding because Blotus knows Mexico isn't going to pay for it, but the meatheads are still screaming for that to happen and Blotus is cornered. Nieto says "no".

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/08/03/worlds-greatest-negotiator-in-action/

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106994 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 14:46:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106994 Martin Longman on Blotus' making up story to cover for Junior's getting-stolen-goods meeting: <i>Instead, I’ll just give a little timeline. Sometime around June 20th, the president learned that the media was aware of a meeting his son had organized at Trump Tower with Kremlin-affiliated Russians. At that point, he presumably asked for all relevant information about the meeting and tasked people with organizing a response. While he was in Germany at the G20 meeting, he and his advisers learned that the story was about to break. They strategized about what they could use as a defense. The president spontaneously joined Putin at the July 7th dinner with no American interpreter present and discussed the Russian adoption cover story with him. On July 8th, on Air Force One, he drafted or “dictated” the Russian adoption cover story over the protests of his legal team. After the story broke, Trump insisted that he had no prior knowledge of the meeting. He and his lawyers and surrogates insisted he had no role in drafting the statement.</i> http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/08/02/it-looks-like-trump-and-putin-colluded-on-adoption-story/ Martin Longman on Blotus' making up story to cover for Junior's getting-stolen-goods meeting:

Instead, I’ll just give a little timeline. Sometime around June 20th, the president learned that the media was aware of a meeting his son had organized at Trump Tower with Kremlin-affiliated Russians. At that point, he presumably asked for all relevant information about the meeting and tasked people with organizing a response. While he was in Germany at the G20 meeting, he and his advisers learned that the story was about to break. They strategized about what they could use as a defense. The president spontaneously joined Putin at the July 7th dinner with no American interpreter present and discussed the Russian adoption cover story with him. On July 8th, on Air Force One, he drafted or “dictated” the Russian adoption cover story over the protests of his legal team. After the story broke, Trump insisted that he had no prior knowledge of the meeting. He and his lawyers and surrogates insisted he had no role in drafting the statement.

http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/08/02/it-looks-like-trump-and-putin-colluded-on-adoption-story/

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106992 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:47:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106992 TS, <I>Yes, but it's basically meaningless.</I> Yea.. When President Trump's numbers are bad, that means EVERYTHING... When yer Democrat numbers and your media numbers are WORSE it's "meaningless"... How ya'all can indulge and wallow in such blatant Party bigotry with a straight face and ANY sense of self-credibility is truly astounding... TS,

Yes, but it's basically meaningless.

Yea.. When President Trump's numbers are bad, that means EVERYTHING...

When yer Democrat numbers and your media numbers are WORSE it's "meaningless"...

How ya'all can indulge and wallow in such blatant Party bigotry with a straight face and ANY sense of self-credibility is truly astounding...

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106991 TheStig Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:36:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106991 DH-2 "Aren't Trumps poll numbers still higher than Congress?" Yes, but it's basically meaningless. Congress always has relatively low popularity....but your own congressperson almost always polls higher than "Congress." DH-2

"Aren't Trumps poll numbers still higher than Congress?"

Yes, but it's basically meaningless. Congress always has relatively low popularity....but your own congressperson almost always polls higher than "Congress."

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106990 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:37:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106990 CW, <I>From reading these, you're just going to LOVE today's article. Heh. And please remember, when responding to it, how happy you were to brag about the Rasmussen 50% approval poll just a few weeks ago... :-)</I> Having said all of the afore, yes... I am kinda bummed that President Trump is not doing a LOT better... BUT.... But, like ya'all did with Obama, I put more of the blame on President Trump's obstruction-happy opponents than I do on President Trump.. And yes.. Acting now like ya'all did then ALSO bums me out.. :D CW,

From reading these, you're just going to LOVE today's article.

Heh.

And please remember, when responding to it, how happy you were to brag about the Rasmussen 50% approval poll just a few weeks ago...

:-)

Having said all of the afore, yes...

I am kinda bummed that President Trump is not doing a LOT better...

BUT....

But, like ya'all did with Obama, I put more of the blame on President Trump's obstruction-happy opponents than I do on President Trump..

And yes..

Acting now like ya'all did then ALSO bums me out.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106989 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:11:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106989 JFC, <I>The Orange One didn't make promises. He made "suggestions" because he need the flexibility to do what the president of China tells him to do.</I> Cite?? If you can't back up what you claim, then you are a lying troll... Hay, don't get mad at me.. I don't make the rules.. :D JFC,

The Orange One didn't make promises. He made "suggestions" because he need the flexibility to do what the president of China tells him to do.

Cite??

If you can't back up what you claim, then you are a lying troll...

Hay, don't get mad at me..

I don't make the rules.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106988 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:10:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106988 <B>DREAMer accused of brutally raping woman in Seattle suburb A 23-year-old DREAMer in Washington state is accused of brutally raping a 19-year-old woman in her apartment complex's gym and leaving her with severe facial injuries -- including a broken jaw and dangling ear. The woman ended up stumbling home with missing teeth, a bloody head and wearing only a black tank top, according to court documents obtained by Fox News. She was working out in the gym in Burien, a Seattle suburb, before the June 25 assault and did not know her attacker, police said. Salvador Diaz-Garcia, an illegal immigrant who was a recipient of Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, is now facing second-degree assault and rape charges in the vicious attack. He also faces child molestation charges for allegedly assaulting a 14-year-old the same day the rape occurred.</B> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/dreamer-accused-brutally-raping-woman-in-washington.html Ah yes... Let's have illegal immigrants here in the US... What could POSSIBLY go wrong... :^/ DREAMer accused of brutally raping woman in Seattle suburb

A 23-year-old DREAMer in Washington state is accused of brutally raping a 19-year-old woman in her apartment complex's gym and leaving her with severe facial injuries -- including a broken jaw and dangling ear.

The woman ended up stumbling home with missing teeth, a bloody head and wearing only a black tank top, according to court documents obtained by Fox News. She was working out in the gym in Burien, a Seattle suburb, before the June 25 assault and did not know her attacker, police said.

Salvador Diaz-Garcia, an illegal immigrant who was a recipient of Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, is now facing second-degree assault and rape charges in the vicious attack. He also faces child molestation charges for allegedly assaulting a 14-year-old the same day the rape occurred.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/dreamer-accused-brutally-raping-woman-in-washington.html

Ah yes... Let's have illegal immigrants here in the US...

What could POSSIBLY go wrong... :^/

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106987 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:04:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106987 So much for the BS claim that President Trump isn't accomplishing anything.. :D So much for the BS claim that President Trump isn't accomplishing anything.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106986 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:03:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106986 President Trump... <B>5th Trump judicial nominee confirmed, outpacing Obama, Bush President Donald Trump has outpaced his immediate predecessors when it comes to having his choices for federal judgeships confirmed. The Senate this week approved a fifth Trump nominee, placing Trump on a faster pace for approvals than either President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush. Most recently, Alabama lawyer Kevin Christopher Newsom was confirmed to a seat on the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, on a 66-31 vote, with 16 Democrats joining the GOP on the affirmative side, the Washington Times reported. Newsom was the third Trump pick for circuit judge to be approved so far. Combined with one district judge and the Supreme Court appointment of Neil Gorsuch, the Trump administration and the Republican-led Senate are well ahead of the normal pace for judicial approvals. “The Trump administration has moved faster on filling judicial vacancies compared to the past administrations, thanks to its commitment to working with and extensively consulting all senators, regardless of political affiliation, to select high-caliber nominees,” Kelly Love, a White House spokesperson, told the newspaper.</B> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/5th-trump-judicial-nominee-confirmed-outpacing-obama-bush.html Making America Great Again :D President Trump...

5th Trump judicial nominee confirmed, outpacing Obama, Bush

President Donald Trump has outpaced his immediate predecessors when it comes to having his choices for federal judgeships confirmed.

The Senate this week approved a fifth Trump nominee, placing Trump on a faster pace for approvals than either President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.

Most recently, Alabama lawyer Kevin Christopher Newsom was confirmed to a seat on the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, on a 66-31 vote, with 16 Democrats joining the GOP on the affirmative side, the Washington Times reported.

Newsom was the third Trump pick for circuit judge to be approved so far. Combined with one district judge and the Supreme Court appointment of Neil Gorsuch, the Trump administration and the Republican-led Senate are well ahead of the normal pace for judicial approvals.

“The Trump administration has moved faster on filling judicial vacancies compared to the past administrations, thanks to its commitment to working with and extensively consulting all senators, regardless of political affiliation, to select high-caliber nominees,” Kelly Love, a White House spokesperson, told the newspaper.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/5th-trump-judicial-nominee-confirmed-outpacing-obama-bush.html

Making America Great Again

:D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106985 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:01:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106985 <I>Or maybe you could post links when you decide to quote us'all Michale?</I> If the "ya'all" doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you and you shouldn't have a problem with it.. But hay... I aim to please.. :D But if it will make you happier, I'll re-institute the NEN disclaimer.. Or maybe you could post links when you decide to quote us'all Michale?

If the "ya'all" doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you and you shouldn't have a problem with it..

But hay... I aim to please.. :D

But if it will make you happier, I'll re-institute the NEN disclaimer..

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106984 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:59:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106984 <I>President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise.. Rare as that is...</I> Actually, he has a better track record than Odumbo.. How did that Gitmo Closing work out for ya'all?? :D JOBS... Economic Turnaround Illegal Immigration The Wall President Trump is keeping a LOT of his promises.. And, if President Trump had a -D after his name, ya'all would be agreeing with me.. :D President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise..

Rare as that is...

Actually, he has a better track record than Odumbo..

How did that Gitmo Closing work out for ya'all?? :D

JOBS...

Economic Turnaround

Illegal Immigration

The Wall

President Trump is keeping a LOT of his promises..

And, if President Trump had a -D after his name, ya'all would be agreeing with me.. :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106983 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:57:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106983 <I>For the first six months of his presidency, Donald Trump has always been able to count on a "floor" of public support of around 40 percent. </I> And Trump's support is STILL around 40%... :D For the first six months of his presidency, Donald Trump has always been able to count on a "floor" of public support of around 40 percent.

And Trump's support is STILL around 40%... :D

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106982 John From Censornati Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:44:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106982 The Orange One didn't make promises. He made "suggestions" because he need the flexibility to do what the president of China tells him to do. The Orange One didn't make promises. He made "suggestions" because he need the flexibility to do what the president of China tells him to do.

]]> By: neilm http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106981 neilm Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:39:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106981 <i>Didn't ya'all claim that Bannon was here to stay??</i> Didn't you claim that Mars was made from Cheese and the "Moon/Cheese" conspiracy was nonsense as it was obvious to you that the Moon was made from Marshmallow? Or maybe you could post links when you decide to quote us'all Michale? Didn't ya'all claim that Bannon was here to stay??

Didn't you claim that Mars was made from Cheese and the "Moon/Cheese" conspiracy was nonsense as it was obvious to you that the Moon was made from Marshmallow?

Or maybe you could post links when you decide to quote us'all Michale?

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106979 Balthasar Thu, 03 Aug 2017 09:52:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106979 <i>President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise..</i> Rare as that is... President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise..

Rare as that is...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106978 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 09:31:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106978 President Trump... <B>Foxconn considering a second Wisconsin facility — this one in Dane County</B> http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/02/foxconn-considering-second-wisconsin-plant-one-dane-county/533918001/ Making America Great Again.... :D President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise.. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, MORE JOBS and STILL MORE JOBS.... President Trump is going to see Reagan-1984 numbers in 2020... :D President Trump...

Foxconn considering a second Wisconsin facility — this one in Dane County
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/02/foxconn-considering-second-wisconsin-plant-one-dane-county/533918001/

Making America Great Again....

:D

President Trump is following thru with his campaign promise..

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, MORE JOBS and STILL MORE JOBS....

President Trump is going to see Reagan-1984 numbers in 2020... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106977 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 09:28:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106977 Didn't ya'all claim that Bannon was here to stay?? http://www.weeklystandard.com/inside-the-mcmaster-bannon-war/article/2009109 Maybe not... :D Didn't ya'all claim that Bannon was here to stay??

http://www.weeklystandard.com/inside-the-mcmaster-bannon-war/article/2009109

Maybe not... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106976 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 09:04:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106976 <I>You haven't shown that to be true. Even if 82% of those people surveyed claimed to have contemplated suicide, that doesn't mean that 82% of all trans individuals have contemplated suicide! Your "group" consists only of people that took the survey.</I> Even if 57% of the people surveyed claim to be against President Trump, that doesn't mean that 57% of all Americans are against President Trump.. Ya'all's group consists of ONLY those who took the poll.... And it's entirely likely that the vast majority of the people taking the surveys are JUST people who don't like Trump to begin with... If 60% of the people who TOOK the poll are Anti-Trumpers than it would naturally follow that the poll would reflect the anti-Trumper attitude.. Polls don't mean dick as the 2016 Presidential Election proved beyond ANY doubt.. But ya'all swear by the polls because they say what ya'all want to hear... <B>"Simple logic"</B> -Admiral James T. Kirk You haven't shown that to be true. Even if 82% of those people surveyed claimed to have contemplated suicide, that doesn't mean that 82% of all trans individuals have contemplated suicide! Your "group" consists only of people that took the survey.

Even if 57% of the people surveyed claim to be against President Trump, that doesn't mean that 57% of all Americans are against President Trump..

Ya'all's group consists of ONLY those who took the poll....

And it's entirely likely that the vast majority of the people taking the surveys are JUST people who don't like Trump to begin with...

If 60% of the people who TOOK the poll are Anti-Trumpers than it would naturally follow that the poll would reflect the anti-Trumper attitude..

Polls don't mean dick as the 2016 Presidential Election proved beyond ANY doubt..

But ya'all swear by the polls because they say what ya'all want to hear...

"Simple logic"
-Admiral James T. Kirk

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106975 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:58:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106975 <I>And please remember, when responding to it, how happy you were to brag about the Rasmussen 50% approval poll just a few weeks ago...</I> I am NEVER "happy" to brag about poll numbers.. For this exact reason.. They aren't indicative of much beyond the attitudes of the poll takers... Add to that, the *FACT* that they were so unequivocally and dead on ballz WRONG about Trump in the past..... One has to wonder why ANYONE would put faith in what they say... Ahhh yes... Because they are saying what ya'all want to hear.. :D Remember how I told ya'all (and you agreed with by the by) that the polls don't take into account the disgust that patriotic Americans feel for Democrats?? This is simply more of the same... And please remember, when responding to it, how happy you were to brag about the Rasmussen 50% approval poll just a few weeks ago...

I am NEVER "happy" to brag about poll numbers..

For this exact reason..

They aren't indicative of much beyond the attitudes of the poll takers...

Add to that, the *FACT* that they were so unequivocally and dead on ballz WRONG about Trump in the past.....

One has to wonder why ANYONE would put faith in what they say...

Ahhh yes... Because they are saying what ya'all want to hear.. :D

Remember how I told ya'all (and you agreed with by the by) that the polls don't take into account the disgust that patriotic Americans feel for Democrats??

This is simply more of the same...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106974 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:51:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106974 <I>While Trump is the physical embodiment of dishonesty and corruption, </I> You mean, Trump-R is the physical blaa blaa blaaa.. Trump-D was ya'all bestest buddy... :D While Trump is the physical embodiment of dishonesty and corruption,

You mean, Trump-R is the physical blaa blaa blaaa..

Trump-D was ya'all bestest buddy... :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106973 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:49:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106973 <I> McConnell has repeatedly said that there's no room on the Senate calendar for any big new business for the rest of the year.</I> No problem. President Trump (I just LOVE saying that!! :D ) will just take a page from Emperor Odumbo's playbook and bypass Congress and do it by Executive Order.. :D No muss, no fuss, Dumbocrats' heads explode :D McConnell has repeatedly said that there's no room on the Senate calendar for any big new business for the rest of the year.

No problem. President Trump (I just LOVE saying that!! :D ) will just take a page from Emperor Odumbo's playbook and bypass Congress and do it by Executive Order.. :D

No muss, no fuss, Dumbocrats' heads explode :D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106972 Michale Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:46:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106972 Once again, I think it is cute the way ya'all put yer faith in polls that were so utterly and devastatingly WRONG about Trump in the past.. And, as Don points out, Trumps numbers are still BETTER than the Dumbocrat Party numbers... So, if you want to live by the polls, then the Dumbocrats die by the polls... :D NOTHING posted indicates that Trump's base support is fading.. But I have posted fact after fact after fact that PROVES President Trump's base still fully supports him... :D Once again, I think it is cute the way ya'all put yer faith in polls that were so utterly and devastatingly WRONG about Trump in the past..

And, as Don points out, Trumps numbers are still BETTER than the Dumbocrat Party numbers...

So, if you want to live by the polls, then the Dumbocrats die by the polls... :D

NOTHING posted indicates that Trump's base support is fading..

But I have posted fact after fact after fact that PROVES President Trump's base still fully supports him... :D

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106970 Balthasar Thu, 03 Aug 2017 07:49:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106970 CW: The firing of the Mooch, and hiring of Gen. Kelly as Chief of staff ought to have to have a positive effect on his numbers, at least temporarily. If Kelly succeeds at turning things around, this could be a watershed moment for this administration. I give Kelly a 30% chance of curbing Trump long term, but 70% chance of stopping the bleeding in the short term. Today's horse and pony show on immigration is a sign that Trump is finally cognizant of his need to 'woo back' his base. The trouble is, these are not new immigration proposals, having been first presented back in April, and McConnell has repeatedly said that there's no room on the Senate calendar for any big new business for the rest of the year. (Everyone else, thank you for coming, see you next year!) The base could get even more restless if they start to realize that they're being patronized. CW: The firing of the Mooch, and hiring of Gen. Kelly as Chief of staff ought to have to have a positive effect on his numbers, at least temporarily. If Kelly succeeds at turning things around, this could be a watershed moment for this administration. I give Kelly a 30% chance of curbing Trump long term, but 70% chance of stopping the bleeding in the short term.

Today's horse and pony show on immigration is a sign that Trump is finally cognizant of his need to 'woo back' his base. The trouble is, these are not new immigration proposals, having been first presented back in April, and McConnell has repeatedly said that there's no room on the Senate calendar for any big new business for the rest of the year. (Everyone else, thank you for coming, see you next year!) The base could get even more restless if they start to realize that they're being patronized.

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106969 Chris Weigant Thu, 03 Aug 2017 05:52:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106969 Technical note: Between when I wrote this and the end of the day, RCP updated their numbers for Reuters/Ipsos, from 35/59 to 37/59, as newer numbers were posted. This means the final numbers for today on RCP will be slightly off from the numbers I quoted in the article. That's the way it goes... these poll numbers come in all the time, so "today's numbers" can shift around a bit. But just did want to point it out, in case anyone clicked the link and was confused at the slight discrepancy. -CW Technical note:

Between when I wrote this and the end of the day, RCP updated their numbers for Reuters/Ipsos, from 35/59 to 37/59, as newer numbers were posted.

This means the final numbers for today on RCP will be slightly off from the numbers I quoted in the article. That's the way it goes... these poll numbers come in all the time, so "today's numbers" can shift around a bit.

But just did want to point it out, in case anyone clicked the link and was confused at the slight discrepancy.

-CW

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106967 Chris Weigant Thu, 03 Aug 2017 05:41:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106967 Speak2 [5] - I hear you, but the way I see it is that the difference between Trump's vote (46? 47? whatever it was back in November) and 40% is the GOP voters who didn't care particularly for Trump but voted for him anyway and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But over Trump's non-honeymoon period, they've fallen away. We could both be right, to some extent or another. Mine's just a gut feeling, really. Also interesting to watch is the shift in "strongly approve" numbers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/02/more-signs-that-trumps-base-is-increasingly-dissatisfied-with-his-presidency/?utm_term=.8eb11a4a5c8e Which is why your 20-25% might be on the mark, really. -CW Speak2 [5] -

I hear you, but the way I see it is that the difference between Trump's vote (46? 47? whatever it was back in November) and 40% is the GOP voters who didn't care particularly for Trump but voted for him anyway and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But over Trump's non-honeymoon period, they've fallen away.

We could both be right, to some extent or another. Mine's just a gut feeling, really.

Also interesting to watch is the shift in "strongly approve" numbers:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/02/more-signs-that-trumps-base-is-increasingly-dissatisfied-with-his-presidency/?utm_term=.8eb11a4a5c8e

Which is why your 20-25% might be on the mark, really.

-CW

]]> By: Speak2 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106966 Speak2 Thu, 03 Aug 2017 01:38:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106966 Hmmm. Trump's base of support was 40%? A better take might be that 45% of the voters are GOP-or-no-one voters (i.e. Never Dem). A portion of those (5 or so percentage points) are Never Trump-ers. It is not unreasonable to suggest that Trump's actual base of support is a rock-solid 20-25% and the remainder are GOP voters. The erosion, then, becomes GOP voters who are disillusioned some, both with Trump and with the GOP Congress. Hmmm. Trump's base of support was 40%? A better take might be that 45% of the voters are GOP-or-no-one voters (i.e. Never Dem). A portion of those (5 or so percentage points) are Never Trump-ers. It is not unreasonable to suggest that Trump's actual base of support is a rock-solid 20-25% and the remainder are GOP voters. The erosion, then, becomes GOP voters who are disillusioned some, both with Trump and with the GOP Congress.

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106964 Paula Thu, 03 Aug 2017 00:54:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106964 [1] Listen: Yep! [1] Listen: Yep!

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106963 John From Censornati Thu, 03 Aug 2017 00:34:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106963 It’s ugly business burning bridges inviting bad luck, building up those walls You’re wasting precious bullets Taking shots at anything that crawls I can see your back is against the wall You keep hoping for the best But the hammer’s gonna fall Martin Zellar It’s ugly business burning bridges
inviting bad luck, building up those walls
You’re wasting precious bullets
Taking shots at anything that crawls
I can see your back is against the wall
You keep hoping for the best
But the hammer’s gonna fall

Martin Zellar

]]> By: ListenWhenYouHear http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/02/trumps-base-support-begins-to-erode-2/#comment-106961 ListenWhenYouHear Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:48:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=14286#comment-106961 <i>Senator Jeff Flake, a Republican that Trump has repeatedly targeted with threats of a primary challenger, just released a new book that decries Trump and Trumpism in pretty strong and unequivocal language. Flake is betting that being anti-Trump is going to win him more votes than being pro-Trump, which is a decision that is getting easier for a lot of other Republicans by the day.</i> OR....maybe Flake has come to recognize that the problems that have overtaken the GOP as a whole are not the fault of one man, but a condition that has been infecting all aspects of the party for some time. The GOP's willingness to lie directly to their base did not start with Obama's win in 2008, but it is when the party completely threw out any concern for their constituents' best interests in favor of partisan interests. The Republicans, by their own admission, intentionally voted against any legislation that sought to improve the lives of Americans out of a desire to make Obama a one-term president. Eight years of doing nothing but attacking the other party's actions, even attacking the other party when it was simply enforcing laws that the Republicans were responsible for passing. This has caused Republicans to turn against legislation that had been embraced by conservatives not over philospophical disagreements, but simply because the Democrats had come to accept it as good legislation. A big start would be if the GOP would finally admit that the ACA was a good plan that could be much better, and then worked with the Democrats to make it the best that it can be for all Americans. While Trump is the physical embodiment of dishonesty and corruption, I want to believe that Flake's book isn't so much an attack on Trump as it is a call to action to address the bigger problems that led to a Trump presidency. Yes, Trump is an easy target when talking about what is wrong with the GOP, but if he was booted out of office tomorrow, it would be the equivalency of cutting one large tumor out of a body riddled with cancer. It might be necessary at the time, but it won't change the overall prognosis if that is the only action taken. Senator Jeff Flake, a Republican that Trump has repeatedly targeted with threats of a primary challenger, just released a new book that decries Trump and Trumpism in pretty strong and unequivocal language. Flake is betting that being anti-Trump is going to win him more votes than being pro-Trump, which is a decision that is getting easier for a lot of other Republicans by the day.

OR....maybe Flake has come to recognize that the problems that have overtaken the GOP as a whole are not the fault of one man, but a condition that has been infecting all aspects of the party for some time.

The GOP's willingness to lie directly to their base did not start with Obama's win in 2008, but it is when the party completely threw out any concern for their constituents' best interests in favor of partisan interests. The Republicans, by their own admission, intentionally voted against any legislation that sought to improve the lives of Americans out of a desire to make Obama a one-term president. Eight years of doing nothing but attacking the other party's actions, even attacking the other party when it was simply enforcing laws that the Republicans were responsible for passing. This has caused Republicans to turn against legislation that had been embraced by conservatives not over philospophical disagreements, but simply because the Democrats had come to accept it as good legislation.

A big start would be if the GOP would finally admit that the ACA was a good plan that could be much better, and then worked with the Democrats to make it the best that it can be for all Americans.

While Trump is the physical embodiment of dishonesty and corruption, I want to believe that Flake's book isn't so much an attack on Trump as it is a call to action to address the bigger problems that led to a Trump presidency.

Yes, Trump is an easy target when talking about what is wrong with the GOP, but if he was booted out of office tomorrow, it would be the equivalency of cutting one large tumor out of a body riddled with cancer. It might be necessary at the time, but it won't change the overall prognosis if that is the only action taken.

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