Comments on: Democrats Offer Up "A Better Deal"

By: ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [447] -- Donald Trump, Loser

ChrisWeigant.com » Friday Talking Points [447] -- Donald Trump, Loser — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:50:42 +0000

[...] Democrats Offer Up “A Better Deal” [...]

By: michale

michale — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:06:29 +0000

As a matter of fact, I have been known to be right on more than one occasion... :D

You're wrong about this.

No, I am not wrong about this.

I HAVE been known to be right on more than one occasion..

Everything is not about you.

Says the person who, eventually, makes EVERYTHING about me.. :D

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:28:12 +0000

Michale 153 And you totally agreed with me that the Democrat Party needs to win back Trump voters... Again, wrong. I agreed with Neil regarding where to invest campaign funds, and because I mentioned "Trump voters" along with urban/city voters, you conflated that to mean that I was saying the Democratic Party couldn't win without Trump voters. Trump won the Electoral College by winning 46% of the electorate. A candidate would not necessarily need to win a single one of these voters in order to win a future election. It's not complicated. Ya know your lips won't turn to fire if ya agree with me.. :D Did you miss the part where I said if there was a viable third-party candidate then I would agree with you? <--rhetorical question. Donald Trump won 46% of the electorate. Do the math, and if you still can't understand why a future candidate wouldn't require a single one of them to win, then CRACK A BOOK. :) As a matter of fact, I have been known to be right on more than one occasion... :D You're wrong about this. My post to Neil had nothing to do with you or your argument about Trump voters. You hijacked and conflated one issue with another. First, it wasn't about you. Second, you don't seem to be able to discuss political issues without hijacking, conflating and/or fabricating, and all that does is make you appear needy. Everything is not about you.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 02:46:00 +0000

Michale 151 Looks like you were addressing the issue perfectly.. And you totally agreed with me that the Democrat Party needs to win back Trump voters... Wrong. You are conflating two issues as if they are the same thing. Neil was talking about where money would be better invested, and I agreed with him and commented that "IMO, the Democratic Party would be better served by investing in getting apathetic voters to actually show up and vote and winning back those Independent voters who reluctantly voted for Trump." You are conflating the fact that I think money would be better spent on getting out the big city/urban vote and flipping those Independent voters who reluctantly voted for Trump to mean that I think the Democratic Party can't win without the Trump voters, and in the process, no offense, but you're actually proving your dearth of critical thinking skills. Just because I think it would be better to invest in winning over certain voters should not be incorrectly conflated to mean that I think the Democratic Party can't win without them. I wrote about where campaign dollars would be better spent, and you conflated it with your own argument. If Democrats can get urban/city voters off their butts to actually go vote, they won't need a single Trump voter in order to win (barring a viable third-party candidate). Think McFly, think! Looks like you were addressing the issue perfectly.. I was agreeing with Neil about where campaign dollars would be better invested. We weren't discussing whether or not Trump voters would be a requirement to win a future election. And you totally agreed with me that the Democrat Party needs to win back Trump voters... No, I didn't. Believe it or not, my statement had nothing to do with you at all. You simply hijacked my comment to Neil about where better to invest and insisted that this meant I agreed with your argument... utter nonsense on your part and illustrates your inability to differentiate separate issues. If you can't see the difference between the issues, then seriously... CRACK A BOOK and get an education.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:28:02 +0000

Michale
148

The fact that you ONLY look at the Flame Wars is evidence of where you WANT things to be..

The fact is, you LIE... constantly, and this lying about others proves nothing more than the fact that you're a prolific LIAR.

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:06:52 +0000

http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/25/called-fact-checkers-keep-butchering-facts-obamacare/

This is why it's impossible to believe "fact checkers"... Because their "facts" are nothing more than biased opinions that have no basis in REAL facts...

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:37:35 +0000

BREAKING NEWS!!!
CLINTON BOOK WILL BLAME COMEY, RUSSIA, SEXISM AND MISOGNY FOR HER DEVASTATING LOSS TO DONALD TRUMP... **BOMBSHELL**
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/343755-clinton-book-to-double-down-on-russia-comey-message

In short, NOT-45 puts the blame everywhere but where it belongs...

At least Democrats are coming around to reality...

“When you lose to somebody who has 40 percent popularity, you don’t blame other things — Comey, Russia — you blame yourself. So what did we do wrong? People didn’t know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that.”
-Chuck Schumer

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:07:21 +0000

But, if you DO want to talk about how some Weigantians raked Scalia over the coals... JL: Sorry to offend your sensibilities but his dying doesn't change the fact that he brought shame to the Supreme Court and, through his actions, accomplished a great deal of harm. Notice, I referenced his actions and judicial decisions, I didn't say he was a bad person -- I won't expound on that at this time. Of course, that is not quite as bad as saying that SCALISE deserved to be shot for his political beliefs, but it's close enough.. Just to clarify... What is bolded is NOT what JL said but rather someone speaking TO JL.... Wanted to make sure that was clear...

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:05:18 +0000

Interesting read from that comment Neil linked..

MICHALE: Considering how badly Reid mangled Senate rules to favor the Democrat Party with regards to the filibuster, there ain't NO WAY that there is going to be ANY vote on Obama's nominee.

JOSHUA: that is certainly possible. however, unless the nominee is an absolute flaming liberal, that tactic would be highly likely to backfire on the seven or eight vulnerable senate seats the republicans will be defending in november, as well as the GOP presidential nominee.

i.e. in that scenario the GOP senate leadership would win the battle but lose the war - especially when there are at least two more justices likely to be appointed in the next president's first term.

in my view, a wiser strategy on mcconnell's part would be to ultimately confirm the nominee, but arrange the confirmation battle to play out in a way that lulls the liberal base and motivates the conservative base.

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:42:22 +0000

Neil,

But, if you DO want to talk about how some Weigantians raked Scalia over the coals...

JL: Sorry to offend your sensibilities but his dying doesn't change the fact that he brought shame to the Supreme Court and, through his actions, accomplished a great deal of harm. Notice, I referenced his actions and judicial decisions, I didn't say he was a bad person -- I won't expound on that at this time.

Of course, that is not quite as bad as saying that SCALISE deserved to be shot for his political beliefs, but it's close enough..

I stand by my assertion that there are several Weigantians who would cheer if Trump was taken out...

And I have the facts to back up that assertion...

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:17:43 +0000

Neil,

Quit the BS Michale. Weigentia did not celebrate Scalia's death. Here is a typical quote from the time:

I accept your apology, in case you were wondering.. :D

heh

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:40:29 +0000

Today’s liberal Russia hawks would have us believe that they’ve always been clear-sighted about Kremlin perfidy and mischief. They’re displaying amnesia not just over a single law but the entire foreign policy record of the Obama administration. From the reset, which it announced in early 2009 just months after Russia invaded Georgia, to its removal of missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland later that year, to its ignoring Russia’s violations of the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (while simultaneously negotiating New START) and its ceding the ground in Syria to Russian military intervention, the Obama administration’s Russia policy was one, protracted, eight-year-long concession to Moscow. Throughout his two terms in office, Obama played down the threat Russia posed to America’s allies, interests and values, and ridiculed those who warned otherwise. “The traditional divisions between nations of the south and the north make no sense in an interconnected world nor do alignments of nations rooted in the cleavages of a long-gone Cold War,” Obama lectured the United Nations General Assembly in 2009, a more florid and verbose way of making the exact same criticism of supposed NATO obsolescence that liberals would later excoriate Trump for bluntly declaring.

When it abandoned missile defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic that same year—announcing the decision on the anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland, no less—the Obama administration insisted that the move wasn’t about kowtowing to Moscow but rather more robustly preparing for the looming Iranian threat. Notwithstanding the merits of that argument, perception matters in foreign policy, and the perception in Central and Eastern Europe was that America was abandoning its friends in order to satiate an adversary. That characterizes the feelings of many American allies during the Obama years, whether Israelis and Sunni Arabs upset about a perceived tilt to Iran, or Japanese concerned about unwillingness to confront a revisionist China. Liberals are absolutely right to criticize the Trump administration for its alienation of allies. But they seem to have forgotten the record of the man who served as president for the eight years prior.

Three years later, in the midst of what he thought was a private conversation about arms control with then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, Obama was famously caught on an open microphone promising that he would have “more flexibility” (that is, be able to make even more concessions to Moscow) after the presidential election that fall. (Imagine the uproar if Trump had a similar hot mic moment with Putin.) Later that year, after Mitt Romney suggested Russia was America’s “No. 1 geopolitical foe,” Obama ridiculed his Republican challenger. “The 1980s are now calling and they want their foreign policy back,” Obama retorted, in a line that has come back to haunt Democrats. An entire procession of Democratic politicians, foreign policy hands and sympathetic journalists followed Obama’s lead and repeated the critique. According to soon-to-be secretary of state John Kerry, Romney’s warning about Russia was a “preposterous notion.” His predecessor Madeleine Albright said Romney possessed “little understanding of what is actually going on in the 21st century.”

This is EXACTLY why it's impossible to take Democrats seriously when they go on and on about Russia...

Because if "collusion with Russia" is REALLY the issue here, then it's the Demcorats who are the colluders and it's Democrat collusion that hurt this country immensely..

Nothing but the facts....

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:33:16 +0000

Ya'all want to know what my biggest nightmare is here in Weigantia?? That ya'all actually think things thru and come back with: "Yer absolutely right, Michale.. It IS pure and unadulterated hypocrisy... You called it.." I burst awake in a cold sweat at the thought of that actually happening..... I would have the same deer-in-headlights look that Tom Cruise had in A FEW GOOD MEN when he got Col Jessup to admit that he (Jessup) did, in fact, order the Code Red.. Like, "Oh shit!!! NOW what!!!???" :D heh

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:00:09 +0000

Newly declassified memos detail extent of improper Obama-era NSA spying

The National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation violated specific civil liberty protections during the Obama years by improperly searching and disseminating raw intelligence on Americans or failing to promptly delete unauthorized intercepts, according to newly declassified memos that provide some of the richest detail to date on the spy agencies’ ability to obey their own rules.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/343785-newly-declassified-memos-detail-extent-of-improper-obama-era-nsa

And the outcry from the Left???

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But NOW.... Now the intelligence agencies are the Left Wingery's bestest bosom buddies because they are going after President Trump..

Yea... NO hypocrisy there... :^/

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:31:40 +0000

Well, lookie here..

Trump Eyes Tax-Code Overhaul, With Emphasis on Middle-Class Break

WASHINGTON—On the day the Senate moved on long-promised health-care legislation, President Donald Trump signaled his next priority: overhauling the tax code to push corporate rates down and give middle-class taxpayers a break, even if it means some of the wealthiest pay more.

“The people I care most about are the middle-income people in this country, who have gotten screwed,” Mr. Trump told The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, reiterating that he wants to bring down the corporate tax rate to 15%. “And if there’s upward revision it’s going to be on high-income people.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-tax-code-overhaul-with-emphasis-on-middle-class-break-1501027057

A welcome break for middle-class Americans.. :D

And, if required, the rich will pay a little more to give middle-class Americans a break..

Why, that sounds JUST LIKE what Dumbocrats would do...

IF Dumbocrats actually CARED about middle-class Americans..

But Dumbocrats would rather just insult them and attack them...

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:27:29 +0000

This being your claim and given the fact that Trump being such a "fascist" and "incompetent" and "ADD" and all the other names ya'all call him, it should be EASY to find comments ya'all made about President Trump back when he was a Democrat.... Or, are you saying that President Trump only became a "fascist" or a "con man" when he became a Republican.. That he WASN'T any of those things when he had a -D after his name.. Is THAT what you are saying???

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:21:49 +0000

California secession campaign can start gathering signatures
http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article163629198.html

A country without California...

Dare to dream.. :D

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:59:44 +0000

Kick,

And you totally agreed with me that the Democrat Party needs to win back Trump voters...

Ya know your lips won't turn to fire if ya agree with me.. :D

As a matter of fact, I have been known to be right on more than one occasion... :D

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:42:26 +0000

Russ, Wikipedia isn't an article. Nor did that entry refer to him as "Trump -D" as he was never an elected official. So, you KNEW there wouldn't be any article that identified TRUMP-D yet you asked for one anyways.. Where is the logic in that?? The point here is simple.. Ya'all claim that ya'all's opinion of Trump hasn't changed because he went from a -D to a -R... This being your claim and given the fact that Trump being such a "fascist" and "incompetent" and "ADD" and all the other names ya'all call him, it should be EASY to find comments ya'all made about President Trump back when he was a Democrat.... If ya can't back up your claim, that makes you, according to you, a lying troll..

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:38:08 +0000

I was actually not addressing that issue

IMO, the Democratic Party would be better served by investing in getting apathetic voters to actually show up and vote and winning back those Independent voters who reluctantly voted for Trump...

Looks like you were addressing the issue perfectly..

And you totally agreed with me that the Democrat Party needs to win back Trump voters...

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:35:47 +0000

But you accused me of supporting Trump when he had a -D behind his name, which earns you the title of LYING TROLL!!!

You made the claim that your opinion of Trump is the same now as it was back then..

You can't back it up so that makes you, according to your own litmus test, a LYING TROLL.. :D

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:34:47 +0000

I'd say there's a decade of comments archived here that prove the fallacy of that statement.

Yes you can find some flame wars where I responded in kind when I was attacked.

But you can also find some really great discussions and debates, very friendly ones.

The fact that you ONLY look at the Flame Wars is evidence of where you WANT things to be..

By: michale

michale — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:34:46 +0000

I'd say there's a decade of comments archived here that prove the fallacy of that statement.

Yes you can find some flame wars where I responded in kind when I was attacked.

But you can also find some really great discussions and debates, very friendly ones.

The fact that you ONLY look at the Flame Wars is evidence of where you WANT things to be..

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 03:08:46 +0000

Michale, Wikipedia isn't an article. Nor did that entry refer to him as "Trump -D" as he was never an elected official. We don't identify individual citizens by their political party. And good luck proving that I ever supported anything Trump has done or said before this past election. You could tell me he's my long lost relative and I would still be repulsed by the man. But you accused me of supporting Trump when he had a -D behind his name, which earns you the title of LYING TROLL!!!

By: Kick

Kick — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 00:48:26 +0000

Michale 121 Yea... The SAME polling that showed NOT-45 had a 98% chance of winning in a 50-State sweep.. No, not the same polling. Polling that is compared only to itself over time to reveal trends. I just marvel at ya'all's gullibility and continuing to believe ONLY the polls that say what you want to hear.. Kind of like I just marvel at your gullibility and continuing to believe Donald Trump because he says what you want to hear, but it's not like that at all. You simply compare the same poll to itself in order to identify trends in the data, regardless of whether or not the data "say what you want to hear." So, in other words, you agree with me that the Dumbocrat Party needs to win back Trump voters... I am glad we agree... :D I was actually not addressing that issue or even thinking about it when I responded to Neil. I was agreeing with Neil that he's right that it would be a better investment for the Democratic Party to increase urban turnout versus reaching out to "blind partisans." At the current time, I don't agree that the Democratic Party needs to win back Trump voters to win the 2020 presidential election since Trump won by a fraction of 1% in 3 states, a narrow win in the electoral college. From a purely mathematical standpoint and leaving emotional issues out of the equation, the Democratic Party needs a bigger turnout in a few states in order to win in 2020... so appealing to Trump voters in order to win isn't mandatory. I do agree it would make things a whole lot easier if they do win back some Trump voters. Now, if things change in the future... say a third-party candidate becomes viable... then I would certainly agree that Democrats will need to win back some Trump voters.

By: Kick

Kick — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:55:55 +0000

Michale 142 But that's impossible with people like you around... I have proven time and time again that we can all have good, solid and intelligent discussions around here without any name-calling or personal attacks.. I'd say there's a decade of comments archived here that prove the fallacy of that statement. If you won't start shit, there wouldn't be shit.. See comment above.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:46:44 +0000

You don't want name-calling and personal attacks???

Then QUIT name-calling and making personal attacks on people...

It's THAT simple.....

Man up and accept the truce...

Or it's just going to keep going and going and going and going...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:43:55 +0000

Don't know about anyone else, but I had no idea who Trump was "before 1987," personally... only really paid any attention at all after his teevee show started... But there are those who have stated that their opinion of Trump with an -R after his name is the EXACT same opinion of Trump when he had a -D after his name.. They make that claim, but can't back it up... Surely if Trump was the HUGE "con man" and "fascist" and "imbecile" that ya'all think he is today, back then...... SURELY it would have been commented upon back then, eh?? But, it's amazing... The ONLY information we can find is Trump schmoozing with Democrats and Democrats lauding Trump with honor and taking Trump's money and showering praise on Trump.. Obama wanted his daughters to BE Trump, fer christ's sake... The simple fact is, all of the Trump name-calling STARTED when Trump announced his campaign as a Republican... It's just like Sarah Palin.. She was loved and respected by Democrats.. RIGHT up to the point that she accepted the VP nomination.. Then she was Satan in a mini-skirt... ALL of the hatred manifested against Trump is SOLELY based on the fact that he is a Republican... No other explanation fits all the facts..

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:38:45 +0000

What is it exactly you think you do here regularly on this forum if it isn't enjoying the attacking and insulting of people who think ideologically different than you?

Discussions and debates without attacks and insults..

But that's impossible with people like you around...

I have proven time and time again that we can all have good, solid and intelligent discussions around here without any name-calling or personal attacks..

But people like you CAN'T have that, so you gum up the works and make things NOTHING but a Flame War..

If you won't start shit, there wouldn't be shit..

This has been proven time and time again.. Even Russ said you are the match that starts everything...

You don't want name-calling and personal attacks???

Then QUIT name-calling and making personal attacks on people...

It's THAT simple.....

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:33:54 +0000

Michale [133] -

Don't know about anyone else, but I had no idea who Trump was "before 1987," personally... only really paid any attention at all after his teevee show started...

-CW

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:32:26 +0000

Neil,

You tell me.

Trump is still President..

There.. ya been told! :D

heh

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:32:02 +0000

McCain speech reaction article is now up...

-CW

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:31:11 +0000

M: [116] But did you have THAT story when Trump had a -D after his name?

Absolutely, and I can prove it: Behold, Democrat Gerry Trudeau from 1987, presaging events of a decade later.

OK, so all you have to do is prove that you are Gerry Trudeau and yer golden..

DID YOU have the opinion of Trump that you do now when Trump was a Democrat..

NO, you did not...

By: Kick

Kick — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:30:35 +0000

Michale
89

You see, that is the problem with people like you and Victoria and Paula, etc etc etc..

Ya'all enjoy attacking and insulting people who think ideologically different than ya'all a *LOT* more than ya'all like winning elections...

What is it exactly you think you do here regularly on this forum if it isn't enjoying the attacking and insulting of people who think ideologically different than you? <-- rhetorical question

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:27:20 +0000

MLB

Add to that, the regular trolling and bullying of people using this type disgusting and insinuating language and assigning it to the group can actually trigger constant NSA monitoring of the forum and those who comment here.

BBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I have to credit you.. That's a really unique accusation..

MICHALE IS GOING TO BRING THE NSA DOWN ON US!!!!!

BBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Still having that battle with the witless person that is you, eh?? :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:25:59 +0000

Neil,

Quit the BS Michale. Weigentia did not celebrate Scalia's death. Here is a typical quote from the time:

If I were talking about Scalia, you would have a point..

But I was talking about the Scalise shooting to which a few Weigantians felt he "deserved" to be shot..

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:25:01 +0000

LB,

I don't know if those can be conflated, but in either case, I'm genuinely shocked by such comments.

As was I when Weigantians celebrated SCALISE's shooting..

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:24:16 +0000

When did Trump EVER have a -D after his name? Find me one article where he was identified as "Trump-D",

Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. Trump was a Democrat prior to 1987.[279]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

because I sure as hell NEVER considered him a Democrat.

As we have well established, your OPINIONS on things really don't have much to do with reality.. :D

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:12:01 +0000

LeaningBlue [125] -

RE: McCain's speech. I'm busily editing today's article, which covers my reaction to McCain's speech...

should be up in 1/2 hour or so...

-CW

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:03:53 +0000

neilm [79] -

Trump mentioned Levitt? I gotta read that speech...

I grew up in a Levitt home, in a Levitt suburb, personally.

-CW

By: Kick

Kick — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:01:20 +0000

Russ
110

Kick nailed it in describing the type troll you are and you are only proving her right with comments like this. Disgusting!

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:49:46 +0000

Kick -

Not sure why the filter began eating your comments. I've approved them all (except a few duplicates).

My apologies, I'll keep an eye on it for the next few days...

-CW

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:33:42 +0000

Quit the BS Michale. Weigentia did not celebrate Scalia's death. Here is a typical quote from the time:

nypoet22 wrote:
whatever we may think of scalia's legal opinions or partisanship, we can't deny that the man cared deeply about our country and gave himself fully to his work. i think the scalia vacancy is a careful what you wish for situation, for both parties.

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/02/12/ftp378/#comment-70133

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:32:06 +0000

Add me to the list here of those endorsing Neil's comments. M: [116] But did you have THAT story when Trump had a -D after his name? Absolutely, and I can prove it: Behold, Democrat Gerry Trudeau from 1987, presaging events of a decade later. Doonesbury went on to do an entire series of cartoons about a fictional Trump run, and absolutely nailed it with eerie precision. You can a lot of it online: google "Trump Doonesbury" for more.

By: Kick

Kick — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:26:55 +0000

neilm 93 No they don't. The Democrats got the most votes in 2016. They need to get the more of their vote out - with the gerrymandering etc. the Democrats need to win about 53-47 to get past the line. Investing in "getting out the vote" and a lively, young candidate, is far more likely to deliver results than convince people to change their minds. Also, I suspect that a lot of switch voters are probably wondering why they did and will figure out for themselves that a party that has focused like a laser on tax cuts for billionaires isn't really on their side after all. Exactly right. If the health care issue hasn't convinced voters that Trump wants a win at all costs without regard to the people who will be hurt and in direct contradiction to his campaign promise to voters that he would NOT cut Medicaid or Medicare, then there's most likely no amount of money that will convince them.

By: LeaningBlue

LeaningBlue — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:20:18 +0000

[114] I call them as I see them. I can think of at least a half-dozen commenters here that would cheer if Trump were assassinated. One only has to recall the "Scalise deserved it" comments around here to know that that is true. I don't know if those can be conflated, but in either case, I'm genuinely shocked by such comments. Thirty percent of the country, give or take, is now tribally aligned on each side. Partisanship is going to continue. John McCain's speech included things I'm sure we would have heard in his Inaugural Address, if he had had the opportunity to deliver one. Nobody heard it. All most of us heard is that he's still got his Gov's list of amendments he needs, and he's at least the third vote to defeat any of the bullshit currently on the table. Personal item, re: AFSC. Number 12 with two Letters. Navigator/ewo-type jobs. In my day, there was precious little electronics needing warlike officiation, and plenty of naviguessing.

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:09:44 +0000

and that ridicule is the best way to puncture extreme puffery.

Howz that workin so far?? :D

45 Approval rating: 39.6%
45 Disapproval rating: 55.9%

Source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

You tell me.

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:07:14 +0000

Yea.. THAT's your story NOW..

But did you have THAT story when Trump had a -D after his name??

No you did not..

When did Trump EVER have a -D after his name? Find me one article where he was identified as "Trump-D", because I sure as hell NEVER considered him a Democrat. Any association with the Dems was because the rich people that he wanted to impress were Democratic supporters.

I don't really consider him to deserve the -R after his name, because he doesn't hold any Republican values. He just realized that their voting base was more gullible and would be an easier group to con!

Going back to doing what I said made you a lying troll, is that it? This false narrative to avoid responding to my comments regarding Trump's mental health.

I also find it odd that you failed to deny that you would be happy if Trump were killed. You are the only one here who would take joy in his death; most of us would just rather wait til he is charged and forced out....but at least you would do so for reasons that are self-serving....a beautiful tribute to Trump, I guess.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:01:55 +0000

Who would have thought that Democrats would end up being the Grand Old Party?

Healthcare? If Republicans can be blamed for failing for seven years to put together a decent alternative to the Affordable Care Act, surely Democrats can be blamed for knowing it needed an overhaul and not getting out in front of it before 2016. They had to have seen it coming.

And Tom Perez, now chair of the Democratic National Committee, states that the top priority is to defeat Trump if he runs for a second term.

Well, OK. But “How?” is the question.

And then there are the missteps. Maybe it made sense to throw support, mostly in the form of money, to Jon Ossoff, who competed in a special election against Republican Karen Handel in Georgia’s 6th District. Ossoff did push the race into a run-off and Trump had narrowly defeated Clinton in that district, so Ossoff may have had a shot.

But Georgia has been red for 20 years. In the end, Democrats should have never presented the contest as do or die for the party, thus making the loss more significant than the win might have been. It was a costly experiment that showed Democrats, once again, playing from a position of weakness.

A major overhaul is past due for the Democrats. That means taking advantage of the implosion of the Trump administration as a time to finally get their house in order.

As my Dad used to say if I dawdled over my homework: “You’re going nowhere until you finish, so buckle down.”

The same can be said of Democrats.

It's funny cuz it's true.. :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:55:56 +0000

I think Neil is totally correct here, particularly since a healthy chunk of those "blind partisans" like their coverage under the ACA Cite??? .. polling shows he's losing them anyway. Yea... The SAME polling that showed NOT-45 had a 98% chance of winning in a 50-State sweep.. I just marvel at ya'all's gullibility and continuing to believe ONLY the polls that say what you want to hear.. Such self-delusion is a marvel to behold.. :D and winning back those Independent voters who reluctantly voted for Trump... So, in other words, you agree with me that the Dumbocrat Party needs to win back Trump voters... I am glad we agree... :D

By: Kick

Kick — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:48:14 +0000

neilm 74 We are creating "medical deserts" with our capitalist approach to medicine in this country and it is going to get worse unless we either get single payer or we dramatically strengthen the ACA (refund the parts the Republicans defunded and expand Medicaid to all states). Exactly right. Our country is dividing into rural vs. urban, overturning the ACA is going to accelerate this divide, to the detriment of the rural communities and their access to local and affordable medical coverage. And exactly right again. Frankly, I don't think reaching out to blind partisans is in the Democrats best interest. I think that the money, time and effort invested in increasing the urban turnout will go a lot further than the same investment trying to convince rural Republicans that their leadership isn't looking out for them. I think Neil is totally correct here, particularly since a healthy chunk of those "blind partisans" like their coverage under the ACA but think that Obamacare needs to be repealed. Boosting turnout would be the best return on investment by far. IMO, the Democratic Party would be better served by investing in getting apathetic voters to actually show up and vote and winning back those Independent voters who reluctantly voted for Trump... polling shows he's losing them anyway.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:38:21 +0000

The average age of Congressional GOP leadership is 46...

The average age of Congressional Dumbocrat leadership is 73...

And ya'all DON'T see a SLIVER of a problem!??

Maybe the problem is your eyesight....

I'm just sayin'....

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:36:22 +0000

Democrats snoozing through their wake-up call

Putting aside for a moment the state of ruin in the Trump White House, I’m seeing nothing but chaos coming from Democrats. Granted, it takes a while to recover from a disaster, and it is especially discouraging when the disaster is of your own making, like burning down the house because you left something unattended on the stove.

But no matter the circumstances, you pick yourself up and move on, maybe even make some improvements.

But here it is, months after the election, halfway through 2017 with 2018 breathing down their necks, and Democrats have yet to look in the mirror, which actually reflects the past, or to look beyond themselves to a constituency that looks nothing like it did in 2008.

Where do we start with all the Democrats have gotten wrong?

First, they did not anticipate the backlash from the party’s greatest achievement. The election of the first African-American president was the straw that broke the back of conservatives and middle-income white Americans who were quickly becoming the minority and not happy about it at all.

Democrats failed to notice their party’s freefall, as evidenced by the loss of about 900 legislative seats from 2008 to 2016. While it’s not untypical that a two-term presidency starts to lose a little luster during its waning years, these numbers definitely signal a shift in mood among the American people – a shift not quite away from civil rights, but definitely more focused on the right to prosper as an individual, the equivalent of the Republican’s siren song.

And not to diminish her exceptional public service over many decades, but Hillary Clinton was an entitlement candidate and an unimaginative one at that. If Trump represents a 1950s separatist, Clinton is a bit of a relic of the 1960s, when the Democrats’ whimsical party platform was, “… it is the creation of an enduring peace in which the universal values of human dignity, truth, and justice under law are finally secured for all men everywhere on earth.”

How do you turn all of that into action?

Apparently, the Dumbocrat Party is COMPLETELY clueless on how to do it... :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:32:39 +0000

And GOPcare lives to fight another day!!!!

Won't ya'all have egg all over your faces when GOPcare ends up on President Trump's desk!!! :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:26:54 +0000

Now I have to assume that you, too, are suffering from some mental illness if you believe that line! He is a con man.

Yea.. THAT's your story NOW..

But did you have THAT story when Trump had a -D after his name??

No you did not..

Did ANYONE on the Left have that story when Trump had a -D after his name and was showering Democrats with money??

No they did not..

So, please... Spare me your righteous indignation...

Your condemnation of President Trump, in the here and now, is *solely*, *completely* and *unequivocally* based on the fact that he has a -R after his name..

That's it... That is *ALL* that it is...

The fact is, Trump is one of the most successful businessmen in history...

The fact is, Trump obliterated 16+ of the most successful, experienced and well-funded GOP candidates in the country...

The fact is, Trump *DEVASTATED* the biggest, meanest, most experienced and most well-funded political juggernaut in the history of politics..

These are all indisputable FACTS...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:16:25 +0000

Russ,

So, if you REALLY want to point fingers at "disgusting"...

You need only look as far as several Weigantians....

Or do you deny that there would be MORE than a few Weigantians who would NOT relish Trump's passing...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:03:57 +0000

Russ,

I call them as I see them. I can think of at least a half-dozen commenters here that would cheer if Trump were assassinated.

One only has to recall the "Scalise deserved it" comments around here to know that that is true.

Sorry if the facts disturb you but they are facts none the less.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:00:24 +0000

Don,

Touche :)

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 19:11:59 +0000

Frankly I'm almost at the point where is is like laughing at somebody who really should be getting help.

I agree with Neil! Just read any transcript of Trump's interviews or speeches where he isn't reading from a teleprompter and see for yourself! The man spews incoherent word salads, jumps from topic to topic wildly, is unable to focus or directly answer a question, and constantly repeats the same sentences regardless of what is being discussed. If you have ever had a family member who has suffered from dementia, you would recognize that Trump needs help!

And yet, that person who YOU think needs help...

1> Is one of the most successful businessmen in history...

Now I have to assume that you, too, are suffering from some mental illness if you believe that line! He is a con man. You have no way to prove that he is as successful as he wants you to believe because he is terrified of releasing his tax returns.

Trust me, the moment Trump faces criminal charges that will likely come, his attorneys will quickly resort to claiming that he is not mentally able to face charges...and they will be right.

By: ListenWhenYouHear

ListenWhenYouHear — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:51:41 +0000

Michale,

Just when I thought you couldn't be any more disgusting...

Admit it... The idea of Trump getting assassinated put a little smile on your face.. :D

The only person here who that would make happy is YOU because it would allow you to spew your bullshit lies that we all WANTED HIM DEAD!!!

Kick nailed it in describing the type troll you are and you are only proving her right with comments like this. Disgusting!

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:42:02 +0000

You don't get it - I don't personally hate the guy

No, YOU don't get it.

Because that is how it comes across...

That ya'all DO hate the guy.....

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:41:23 +0000

I just think he is unfit to be President

That's your opinion and I respect that..

Based on the facts, it's also wrong...

and that ridicule is the best way to puncture extreme puffery.

Howz that workin so far?? :D

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:39:40 +0000

Admit it... The idea of Trump getting assassinated put a little smile on your face.. :D

You don't get it - I don't personally hate the guy - I just think he is unfit to be President and that ridicule is the best way to puncture extreme puffery.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:26:37 +0000

Frankly I'm almost at the point where is is like laughing at somebody who really should be getting help.

And yet, that person who YOU think needs help...

1> Is one of the most successful businessmen in history...

2> Defeated some of the most experienced and richest GOP candidates in history...

3> UTTERLY and TOTALLY devestated the biggest, meanest, most experienced and most well-funded political juggernaut in the history of the planet....

So, given these FACTS....

Anyone who thinks that THAT^^^^ guy needs help????

Probably needs a LOT more help....

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:21:54 +0000

Let me know when you think that 45 is seriously mentally impaired and I'll stop making fun of him.

Now THAT is a load of BS.. If Trump get's assassinated, you'll be laughing at him that he didn't duck.. :D

heh

Admit it... The idea of Trump getting assassinated put a little smile on your face.. :D

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:19:45 +0000

Jeezus, Neil.. Yer REALLY reaching here... :D

Frankly I'm almost at the point where is is like laughing at somebody who really should be getting help.

Let me know when you think that 45 is seriously mentally impaired and I'll stop making fun of him.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:18:50 +0000

Investing in "getting out the vote" and a lively, young candidate, is far more likely to deliver results than convince people to change their minds.

I hear NOT-45 is free... Heheheheheheheheheheeh

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:14:44 +0000

I'm still stunned at the text of the speech 45 gave yesterday to the Boy Scouts. Seriously, this man is a taco or two short of a combination plate. Yer "stunned" and "serious" when Melania doesn't hold the President's hand.. That's AAA+++ hysterical hatred... Did you get a badge?? :)

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:10:27 +0000

an unbelievable tribute to you and all of the other millions and millions of people that came out and voted So when he said "you" he meant "your parents"? Man you are desperate to worship this clown - this is A++ fanboy level - did you get a badge?

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:08:32 +0000

I'm still stunned at the text of the speech 45 gave yesterday to the Boy Scouts. Seriously, this man is a taco or two short of a combination plate.

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:03:39 +0000

"Do we remember that date? Was that a beautiful date? What a date."

45 relating to his audience yesterday ... no, not the local Republican Party but a bunch of kids.

Kids today will not look forward to Christmas or their Birthday's any longer but to November 8th to celebrate 45's win. Just like kids on North Korea look forward to important dates in their delusional leader's life.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:01:18 +0000

"So I have to tell you what we did, in all fairness, is an unbelievable tribute to you and all of the other millions and millions of people that came out and voted for Make America Great Again."

You can't make this stuff up.

Of course he was referring to their adult family..

Jeezus, Neil.. Yer REALLY reaching here... :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:00:35 +0000

but yes, I agree, if the Democrats don't actively try to save 45's voters they will be frakked. Maybe once they have been frakked a few more times but their leadership they will get it. Trying to explain reality to them doesn't work.
-Neil

Did I misunderstand what you were saying???

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:57:13 +0000

And 45 was good enough to thanks the Boy Scouts for their votes:

"So I have to tell you what we did, in all fairness, is an unbelievable tribute to you and all of the other millions and millions of people that came out and voted for Make America Great Again."

You can't make this stuff up.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:56:44 +0000

No they don't. The Democrats got the most votes in 2016.

And if the most votes had ANY relevance, you would have a point... But they don't so you don't..

The simple FACT is that Dumbocrats MUST win over Trump voters if they want to win elections..

You said so yourself...

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:55:04 +0000

Well at least 45 wished the Boy Scouts "Merry Christmas" - you know unlike those anti-Christians who don't say "Merry Christmas" in July. They say dreadful things like "Happy Independence Day" instead. What a @#$%ing clown.

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:47:57 +0000

Democrats MUST have a plan to win over Trump voters... No they don't. The Democrats got the most votes in 2016. They need to get the more of their vote out - with the gerrymandering etc. the Democrats need to win about 53-47 to get past the line. Investing in "getting out the vote" and a lively, young candidate, is far more likely to deliver results than convince people to change their minds. Also, I suspect that a lot of switch voters are probably wondering why they did and will figure out for themselves that a party that has focused like a laser on tax cuts for billionaires isn't really on their side after all.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:00:09 +0000

Balthasar,

You see, that is the problem with people like you and Victoria and Paula, etc etc etc..

Ya'all enjoy attacking and insulting people who think ideologically different than ya'all a *LOT* more than ya'all like winning elections...

And THAT is why ya'all never win elections anymore...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:39:43 +0000

Balthy,

I think they want to drink Trump whiskey instead, abuse the children, insult the neighbors, refuse to pay the water bill, then chide the Democrats for not putting milk on the table.

Yea.. Insult and attack the voters that ya'all NEED..

*THAT* will win ya'all elections!!!

After all, it's worked so well before!!

{/sarcasm}

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:37:27 +0000

Silent on Google, Facebook, and Amazon The party criticizes corporate power, but not the powerful tech platforms. Fighting corporate power is a big theme of the Democrats' new agenda, but three of the world's most powerful companies aren't feeling the heat, at least not yet. Google, Facebook, and Amazon.com escaped criticism on July 24, when Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer of New York and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California unveiled what the party is calling its Better Deal agenda. Like I was saying.... The Democrats' "Better Deal" is nothing but a better deal for their corporate masters... Nothing new... Nothing different...

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:36:46 +0000

You can lead a horse to water ..

I think they want to drink Trump whiskey instead, abuse the children, insult the neighbors, refuse to pay the water bill, then chide the Democrats for not putting milk on the table.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:35:39 +0000

Well, it looks like we have reached a consensus..

Democrats MUST have a plan to win over Trump voters...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:27:04 +0000

Ya'all want to go after corporations for taxes??

http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-pay-lowest-tax-loopholes-2011-2

Fine.. Start with them..

But how many of those companies buy Democrat politicians???

How many of those companies use their power to further Democrat agendas???

Ya'all see yer dilemma??

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:10:29 +0000

You can lead a horse to water ... but yes, I agree, if the Democrats don't actively try to save 45's voters they will be frakked. Maybe once they have been frakked a few more times but their leadership they will get it. Trying to explain reality to them doesn't work. A-frakin-men to THAT!!! "Detente... A wonderful thing..." -Maureen Robinson, LOST IN SPACE :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:09:08 +0000

What about when Odumbo said that thing at the Jamboree??

Oh... wait.. Odumbo never WENT to the Jamboree...

Whatta moron....

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:07:36 +0000

SO, basically... Frak Trump voters... We're gonna take care of our own.. You can lead a horse to water ... but yes, I agree, if the Democrats don't actively try to save 45's voters they will be frakked. Maybe once they have been frakked a few more times but their leadership they will get it. Trying to explain reality to them doesn't work.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:06:46 +0000

When all is said and done..

Democrats need to have a plan to win over Trump voters..

I see NOTHING that indicates they have learned that lesson...

Which means they will continue to lose elections..

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:04:25 +0000

Just an excerpt from 45's speech to the Boy Scouts:

“In the end he [William Levitt, a real estate developer 45 decided to tell the Boy Scouts about for some reason] failed, and he failed badly. Lost all of his money. He went personally bankrupt, and he was now much older. And I saw him at a cocktail party, and it was very sad because the hottest people in New York were at this party. It was the party of Steve Ross who was one of the great people — he came up and discovered — really founded — Time Warner and he was a great guy.”

“He had a lot of successful people at the party. And I was doing well so I got invited to the party. I was very young, and I go in — but I’m in the real-estate business — and I see 100 people, some of whom I recognize and they’re big in the entertainment business …”

This guy has lost his woggle (FYI for the non-Scouts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woggle).

45 is telling the Boy Scouts about a Manhattan party with "hot" people he attended decades ago.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:04:12 +0000

Frankly, I don't think reaching out to blind partisans is in the Democrats best interest. I think that the money, time and effort invested in increasing the urban turnout will go a lot further than the same investment trying to convince rural Republicans that their leadership isn't looking out for them.

SO, basically... Frak Trump voters... We're gonna take care of our own..

Yea...

THAT will win the Dumbocrat Party more elections. :^/

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:02:51 +0000

Balthy,

You mean the same tried and true policies that have worked each time we've held the White House for the last 30 years. Again, see [50].

And, if they have worked so well, WHY is the Dumbocrat Party in the WORST position it's been in, in over 100 years??

Oh yea... Russians.. :^/

Do you hear how utterly demented you sound?? :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:50 +0000

Liz Peek: Schumer's "better deal": Recycling Obama's failed economic policies won't boost Democrats

If you don’t succeed at first, fail and fail again. Democratic congressional leaders who seem to be pursuing that strategy trotted out a series of failed solutions Monday to problems that only worsened under the Obama administration. They mislabeled their absurd plan “A Better Deal.”

If truth-in-labeling laws applied to political slogans, the Democrats would have to rename their new game plan “An Awful Deal.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) were joined by other top Democrats at a news conference in tiny Berryville, Va., in a laughable effort to show that big-city Democrats really and truly care about ordinary Americans and not just far-left elites.

But instead of coming up with effective and workable policies, the mislabeled Better Deal is the same old collection of anti-business, anti-growth, anti-job policies that guided the Obama White House and that resulted in eight years of sluggish economic growth and stagnant family incomes.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/25/liz-peek-schumers-better-deal-recycling-obamas-failed-economic-policies-wont-boost-democrats.html

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:59:32 +0000

You keep repeating that, as though I should be impressed that the Republican campaign of lies and fear mongering has worked until now.

No.. I am simply pointing out Dumbocrats have nothing better than what has been tried and has failed time and time again..

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Republicans as if that has some relevance on the FACT that the Dumbocrat Party is in the worst shape it's been in in over a century...

Just did. You owe me a 1000 quatloos.

You call THAT an advocacy???

No wonder ya'all can't win elections...

Yer ENTIRE defense of the Dumbocrat Party consists of AT LEAST WE'RE BETTER THAN THE REPUBLICANS..

And HOW has that worked the last 8 elections???

2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 and FOUR in 2017???

Answer: It has FAILED and FAILED miserably..

And it will continue to fail...

By: neilm

neilm — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:56:15 +0000

If the Republicans do manage to overturn the ACA and put in a weakened replacement, or nothing at all, the burden is going to fall mostly on the rural poor.

The hospitals that were failing before the ACA expanded medicaid will lose upwards of 30% of their revenue, tipping many into insolvency. This can be already seen in the states that did not expand medicaid.

We are creating "medical deserts" with our capitalist approach to medicine in this country and it is going to get worse unless we either get single payer or we dramatically strengthen the ACA (refund the parts the Republicans defunded and expand Medicaid to all states).

The reasons are fairly simple. Medical services, like most products, benefit from scale. There must be a sufficient population of insured patients to support a single GP. A larger pool is required to support specialists and hospitals. Poor, uninsured people are not good customers. A newly qualified doctor with large loans is going to go where the money is, and that increasingly means larger towns and cities.

Our country is dividing into rural vs. urban, overturning the ACA is going to accelerate this divide, to the detriment of the rural communities and their access to local and affordable medical coverage.

I've documented the harm in the past (44,000 unnecessary deaths per year by taking 20+ million people's insurance coverage per year), and this harm is going to befall Republican counties more than Democrat's.

This will be a test of partisanship over personal well being. I expect many to fail this test.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:54:13 +0000

Whatever happens will be on Odumbo and the Dumbocrats. THEY will own it... That's called 'refusing to take responsibility for your actions' and is a sign of weak character. I guess it takes a Democrat to say, "The buck stops here".

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:50:46 +0000

The same tired and failed policies that have failed, failed and failed again for the last 30 years..

You mean the same tried and true policies that have worked each time we've held the White House for the last 30 years. Again, see [50].

I want you to advocate the Dumbocrat Party platform without mentioning Trump or the GOP once..

Just did. You owe me a 1000 quatloos.

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:45:46 +0000

The Democrat Party's "bold" "new" and "innovative" platform is simply a rehash of tried and failed platforms that have brought the Democrat Party to the **WORST** position it has been in, in over 100 years. You keep repeating that, as though I should be impressed that the Republican campaign of lies and fear mongering has worked until now. But Trump is the metaphorical Toto, revealing the humbug behind the curtain. Roger Ailes is gone, rotting in hell no doubt, and MSNBC is kicking Fox's ass in the ratings. The Republicans were very effective in opposition, but only managed to eke out a narrow presidential victory with no mandate, and have since demonstrated that they never actually had a plan to accomplish their lofty promises in the first place. It's all falling apart, dude. The lie has been revealed. The GOP has a majority right now, sure, but they're squandering it, and the clock is ticking down to the midterms. Enjoy your pyrrhic victory while you still can.

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:31:59 +0000

Tell that to the thousands of rural hospitals that will have to close if Obamacare is repealed.

Odumbo and the Dumbocrats should have thought of that before they put out that abysmal abortion that was TrainWreckCare..

Whatever happens will be on Odumbo and the Dumbocrats. THEY will own it...

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:30:38 +0000

And just how has he 'accomplished' that, when he hasn't signed any legislation? All he's done is signed executive orders removing environmental regulations. That's all Odumbo did when he enacted those lousy regulations.. Yet ya'all seized on that as the Second Coming.... What a difference a '-D' makes, eh?? :D

By: michale

michale — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:28:06 +0000

It sure would be to the current Republican leadership, one of whom would return us to the Bush economy, the other who would channel a libertarian author from the '50's.

Yer STILL not getting it..

The Dumbocrats have billed this as whaty **THEY** are going to do that will separate them from the GOP...

And yet, you STILL are stuck in the WELL AT LEAST WE'RE NOT CHILD MOLESTERS way of thinking..

You think the GOP is a catastrophe.. Fine.. I get that..

What are the DUMBOCRATS going to do to be better???

The same tired and failed policies that have failed, failed and failed again for the last 30 years...

I have a challenge for you..

I want you to advocate the Dumbocrat Party platform without mentioning Trump or the GOP once..

ten thousand quatloos says you can't do it...

By: Balthasar

Balthasar — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:20:47 +0000

In other words, same ol same ol.. Nothing new and innovative.. It sure would be to the current Republican leadership, one of whom would return us to the Bush economy, the other who would channel a libertarian author from the '50's. Dumbocrats have been saying they are going to do that for 30 years.. And everytime we start to do it, it gets undone by Republicans, with disastrous results. See post [50]. STILL don't enact any policies that benefit the middle class over the rich and the corporations Nonsense. The Stimulus package that Obama enacted included provisions aimed squarely at the middle class. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which the GOP wants to defund, benefits primarily the middle class. Trouble is, the GOP wants to oppose every tax hike on the rich by claiming that it's aimed at the middle class - asserting that folks who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year are 'middle class' for instance, or asserting that shell companies that make millions in revenue are actually 'small business'. All just a ruse to protect billionaires and millionaires. No, the FACT is that President Trump has opened new mines and created thousands of new mining jobs.. And just how has he 'accomplished' that, when he hasn't signed any legislation? All he's done is signed executive orders removing environmental regulations. Some companies, suddenly free to pollute the local waterways, might have re-started operations, but that hardly counts as 'new mines' or 'new jobs'. See how well THAT worked out... LESS doctors... LESS healthcare professionals. Tell that to the thousands of rural hospitals that will have to close if Obamacare is repealed.