Scott Naff, an officer for the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, reportedly paid for his food in the drive-thru line, but was allegedly refused the food when he got to the window. Naff’s wife, Cathy, told the newspaper that the employee saw the uniform and told her husband: “I ain’t serving no police.”
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/07/20/virginia-mcdonalds-employee-refuses-to-serve-uniformed-police-officer.html

:^/

Unequivocally and absolutely agree with that...

All things being equal, there is no such thing as too much training..

I am also surprised that there was only about three years worth of experience in that squad car, between the two officers. That can't be standard operating procedure, can it?

It's not.. And that surprised me too.. A 2 Yr rookie and a 1 Yr jeep riding together? That's just BEGGING for trouble..

But, as I mentioned, I don't know the staffing situation at Minn PD.. Maybe a large number of sergeants were out sick.

Maybe if Officer Noor were riding with a supervisor instead of a jeep, he would have been calmer and less likely to make such a mistake...

We just don't know...

By the way, I was here early this morning because I desperately needed a distraction and I want to thank you for being here - it was a great help, Michale! :)

"One is honored to be of service."
-Robin Williams, BICENTENNIAL MAN

:D

If Officer Noor exhibited indications of incompetence during the application and/or training phase, he should NOT have been moved along SOLELY to improve diversity...Would you agree with that???

I agree wholeheartedly with that.

If poor training, in general, proves to be operative here, as it may very well be in other places across the US, would you advocate for better training of police officers?

I am also surprised that there was only about three years worth of experience in that squad car, between the two officers. That can't be standard operating procedure, can it?

I can easily entertain that idea...

But I would need FACTS to come to that conclusion..

We can speculate til the cows come home, as we have been doing...

But, without FACTS, that is all it is... Speculation...

It's like masturbation.. Really fun, but ultimately not very productive... :D

I can easily entertain that idea...

Because, that can easily be addressed and improved.

And the VERY first thing to address and improve is to get rid of the lowering of standards and enforcing diversity solely for the sake of diversity...

If Officer Noor exhibited indications of incompetence during the application and/or training phase, he should NOT have been moved along SOLELY to improve diversity...

Would you agree with that???

Because, that can easily be addressed and improved.

If so, it's simply another case of Political Correctness going horribly wrong...

Of course, it's all speculation...

But if you want to speculate that incompetence was a factor in the shooting, I am (of course) free to speculate how an incompetent officer made it thru training and OJT...

I also question the wisdom of putting a 2 year rookie in a patrol car with a 1 year jeep.. However, I don't know Minneapolis PD's staffing issues, so I am not in a position to condemn the move..

I just noted it and was surprised by it..

And I agree as well...

And 99.9% of the time, we get that high degree of competence..

The problem arises when the general ignorant public (present company excepted and I sincerely mean that) crucifies officers for shootings without all the facts being in...

Officer Noor made a mistake.. This is obvious...

But was it a mistake from malice, a mistake from incompetence or an honest mistake that has no bearing on the competence of the officer..

We DON'T know that yet.. But, as I said, an officer deserves the benefit of any and all doubt...

Officer Noor shot and killed an innocent person. That is something he is going to have to live with for the rest of his life..

He shouldn't have to endure being falsely crucified on top of that...

That's all I am saying...

Would you say that it's logical to conclude that, if one lowers STANDARDS for hiring police officers, that it's likely that one get lower COMPETENCE in the hired police officers...

The two incidents are not in any material way similar.

That's your opinion. But it's an opinion borne of complete ignorance in the field..

I don't mean that as an insult...

"There is no dishonor in not knowing everything"
-SubCommander T'al, STAR TREK, The Enterprise Incident

But to a cop, the incidents are similar enough to be of concerned...

And any cop or cop-related person will tell you the same thing...

In the context we're discussing, the differences are small and irrelevant to the incident....

That is YOUR takeaway and it is wholly misguided.

I don't see how that quote from the report indicates anything about hiring standards reducing the level of competency of prospective officers.

You should know as well as anyone that it is the training officers receive after they are hired and how they respond to that training that determines their competency.

Yea.. I say the EXACT same thing when ya'all post links from WaPoop or HuffPoop....

But I ALSO posted the actual report and quoted the relevant portion for you... :D

"www.justice.gov!!!??? Give me a freakin' break!!!"

:D

At a time when police officers across the nation have “never been this scrutinized,” Angelo said the Chicago Police Department should be looking at raising standards — not lowering them.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/police-union-boss-troubled-over-talk-of-relaxing-hiring-standards/

To you, perhaps..

To a cop on the beat?? To a cop on patrol?? To a cop with decades of experience???

They are similar enough....

There is an old adage amongst cops..

It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

It's an adage that cops live... and die.. by.

Read the report yourself...

B. Hiring
Agencies are increasingly adopting a holistic view of what skills and strengths an applicant
brings to a law enforcement agency, in part by being willing to reevaluate information
revealed during background checks, including previous drug use.
Law enforcement is a profession that, for good reason, requires extensive vetting, research,
and investigation before choosing to hire an officer. Standards undoubtedly have an important role
to play in the process. But certain barriers – including background investigations that treat all arrests
and criminal convictions alike regardless of type of offense or how recent the occurrence, or even
screen out those voluntarily admitting to drug use alone (without any conviction) – can prevent the
agency from hiring the diverse officers it needs to connect with and serve the entire community.
Cognizant of this challenge, many agencies have begun to re-evaluate such barriers and more
holistically evaluate what an applicant can contribute to the agency and the community by also
considering facts about one’s experience, skills, or record in a broader, comprehensive context.

The simple fact is that the Obama Administration forced police agencies under their thumb to relax standards for hiring police officers..

That, coupled with a dearth of recruits, has lead to today's police force being a lot looser in the standards department...

I know you don't want to hear it but when you complain about the standards of competence of police officers in the here and now, you need only look to the hiring practices to know why this is..

IF, in fact, it is....

Cops responding to a call... Sitting in their car.. An unknown person fast approaching..

Actually, the two incidents are not similar and certainly not in the fashion you say, at all!

Considering all the facts, Officer Noor's actions appear to be reasonable on their face...

Cops responding to a call... Sitting in their car.. An unknown person fast approaching..

You let the cops come to you... You don't rush up to police officers, especially when they are responding to a call..

I know you don't.. But it's factually accurate...

SHOCKING Obama Action..Orders Law Enforcement Agencies to Ignore Standards in Hiring Minorities!

In a push to hire minority police officers, the Obama administration is asking the nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies to forgive drug use, disregard the criminal records of candidates from “underrepresented communities” and lower standards on written and physical exams. It’s part of the administration’s Advancing Diversity in Law Enforcement initiative following a string of officer-involved shootings involving African Americans. Key to the mission is the racial diversification of local law enforcement agencies so that they “better reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.”
http://democratbusters.com/index.php/2016/11/15/shocking-obama-action-orders-law-enforcement-agencies-ignore-drug-use-hiring-minorities/

There are additional examples...

A few weeks ago, a NY cop and mother of 3 was brutally executed in an ambush that was VERY similar to the circumstances of the Australian woman's shooting...

Officer Noor probably made a mistake but it was an understandable mistake given the climate that has been created...

I don't believe that for a second, Michale.

I have NEVER had a problem in that regard... :D

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/19/australian-woman-shot-by-minnesota-police-reported-possible-sexual-assault-911-transcript-shows.html

Liz, you were right. I was wrong about what was reported..

My apologies.

What is responsible for lowering standards when it comes to hiring police officers.

What did you mean when you said, "They have pushed and forced PDs and SOs to lower their hiring standards to make the police forces "more diverse" ???

Obama had thousands of PDs and SOs under his thumb thru the use of "Consent Decrees"...

Obama had told those departments that they need to lower their hiring standards in an effort to make their agencies more diverse..

It USED to be that a police officer candidate couldn't have a criminal record and their entire life was scrutinized for any indication of incompetence..

These days, in MANY agencies, you can get hired if you have a felony on your record, as long as it's not a violent felony...

When you loosen gold standards and take practically all comers, you just HAVE to know that there are going to be a few bad apples...

So, if you have an issue with the competency of police officers these days, you need look no further than the Obama Administration and the Democrat Party...

THEY insisted that standards be lowered when hiring police officers..

And I am sure you would agree that, if you lower standards, you get lower competence...

What is responsible for lowering standards when it comes to hiring police officers.

You are not being clear in what you are trying to say.

What did you mean when you said, "They have pushed and forced PDs and SOs to lower their hiring standards to make the police forces "more diverse" ???

If the only thing that concerns you about that story is that Liberals will say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to buy firearms in this country, causing you to instantly believe that they are coming for your guns....You might be a Republican!

Love the Jeff Foxworthy imitation! :D We're not as different as you would like to think, eh? :D heh

I guess that makes me NOT a Republican because the only thing that concerns me about that story is that an innocent American lost her life because the Odumbo administration and their kind refused to follow the laws that weren't ideologically acceptable..

I guess that makes me a human being.. :D

I was wondering where you were going with that ...

All you had to do was ask.. :D

In still other words, the competency of a law enforcement officer is not directly proportional to the level of pigment in his or her skin. To suggest that it is so is outrageous.

I never said it was....

But you are missing the point..

It's the LOWERING OF STANDARDS that lowers the competency of Law Enforcement..

Not the increased diversity..

Yes there are..

My *guess* based on the facts so far is that, given the climate of cop ambushes these days, Officer Mohammed Noor heard this loud bang and saw something that caused him to think his or his partner's life was in imminent danger..

As you point out, Officer Noor is not talking and that is unfortunate..

All things being equal, this indicates (to me, at least) that Noor feels he did something wrong..

But all things AREN'T equal.. Given today's climate of crucifying the cop first, last and always Noor can hardly be blamed for wanting to remain silent and making sure his ducks are all in a row.....

They have pushed and forced PDs and SOs to lower their hiring standards to make the police forces "more diverse"...

I was wondering where you were going with that ... I suppose I should have guessed.

Diversity in police forces is a very good thing. Police forces should be as representative of the community they serve as is humanly possible.

In other words, increased diversity does not equate with reduced competency, not in individual officers nor in collective police forces - not in any way, shape, or form.

In still other words, the competency of a law enforcement officer is not directly proportional to the level of pigment in his or her skin. To suggest that it is so is outrageous.

I did indeed.. :D

I agree. But, I also believe that the public deserve a high degree of competence whenever the use of deadly force is concerned.

As I have pointed out, you have to blame Obama and the Democrats for that.

They have pushed and forced PDs and SOs to lower their hiring standards to make the police forces "more diverse"...

When you lower standards guess what happens??

You get lower standards...

(In my most Southern drawl): If you make unsupported accusations about a group of people as if they were factual....you might be a lying troll!

I'll remind Paula of that the next time she does it... :D

If you don't want to do a ride along, ask your local police department if they offer a citizens academy or have access to a FireArms Training Simulator that you could try. The FATS machines let you play the role of an officer who is confronted with multiple scenarios in which you have to decide when firing your gun is the proper response to what you are facing, It definitely is an eye-opener to how little time an officer usually has to determine whether or not to use deadly force. There are a good number of YouTube videos that show the machines in use.

I think the use of the FATS machine should be MANDATORY for ANY citizen that wants to criticize LEOs...

As an officers who puts their lives on the line each and every day so that we will be safe, cops deserve the benefit of EVERY doubt we can afford them..

I agree. But, I also believe that the public deserve a high degree of competence whenever the use of deadly force is concerned.

You seem to be under the impression that I, number one, am not a huge supporter of law enforcement officers and, number two, that I don't understand the importance and danger involved in the work they do to keep all of us safe and secure.

You are mistaken, on both counts, if that's what you think.

I also understand that officers face any number of scenarios on a daily basis during which they must make split second, life and death decisions about whether or not to discharge their firearms.

My impression, given the small number of facts that are already publically known, is that the situation involving the woman from Australia is not one of those scenarios.

The facts of this particular case of an officer involved shooting may prove me wrong and I will certainly adjust my thinking accordingly if that is that is the case.

This is quite obviously one example of a cop who wasn't properly trained or a cop upon whom the training was lost. He could have shot his partner for pete's sake!

Or it was an officer that thought they saw something that either was or was not justification for them using deadly force. Or it was an officer checking his firearm who had an accidental discharge. There are far too many possible scenarios to even guess.

If you don't want to do a ride along, ask your local police department if they offer a citizens academy or have access to a FireArms Training Simulator that you could try. The FATS machines let you play the role of an officer who is confronted with multiple scenarios in which you have to decide when firing your gun is the proper response to what you are facing, It definitely is an eye-opener to how little time an officer usually has to determine whether or not to use deadly force. There are a good number of YouTube videos that show the machines in use.

(In my most Southern drawl): If you make unsupported accusations about a group of people as if they were factual....you might be a lying troll!

If the only thing that concerns you about that story is that Liberals will say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to buy firearms in this country, causing you to instantly believe that they are coming for your guns....You might be a Republican!

I would guess that the officer who fired the shots will be charged in the shooting death. I read that he is not answering questions related to what happened, which is his right to do, but that is typically done when one is trying not to incriminate themselves.

It's terrible that it occurred, and hopefully the press won't drop the story if he is charged and found guilty of manslaughter/murder. If he is acquitted, it would be great for the press to explain WHY and HOW that occurs instead of making it just sound like the police are given special treatment by the courts.

The investigation will hopefully provide us with the answers we seek.

Estimated increase in the number of people who are uninsured by 32 million in 2026 relative to current law and average premiums estimated to double by 2026.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939

I knew it was one of those guys. At least you got the reference.

"There's your cite."

Actually, that would be Bill Engvall and it would be "Here's Your Sign"... :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk

:D

Thank you..

As an officers who puts their lives on the line each and every day so that we will be safe, cops deserve the benefit of EVERY doubt we can afford them..

Well, looks like we dodged a bullet here. Monday night Tropical Storm Don was named, a weak little low in the middle of the Atlantic. It's gone now, with only one snarky little punch from WaPo yesterday: Tropical Storm Don weakening on approach to Windward Islands, forecast to ‘degenerate’

As tempting to mainline media metaphor mavens as a Hurricane Don would have been, even that could have been much, much worse.

Yea, we're a little early in the year for big storms..

Hurricane Floyd in 99 came mid September and Hurricane Matthew last year was early October..

Of course, I am being geo-centric and talking about hurricanes that hit in our area..

Both Floyd and Matthew was a HUGE disappointment.. We were promised a Cat 4 and it BARELY was a Cat 1 when it hit our area.. Hell, I don't even get out of bed for anything less than a Cat 2....

It's funny.. The Global Warming fanatics predicted we would be INUNDATED with CATEGORY 7 super storms about now, due to Global Warming..

Yet, it's been TWELVE YEARS since we have had a major (CAT 3+) hurricane strike on the US...

Fear mongerers suck!!! Get all my hopes up and then find out that they are full of scheisse.... :D

But when an ILLEGAL immigrant let loose by a Sanctuary City plugs 5 bullets into an innocent woman, the Left doesn't give a rat's ass???

As tempting to mainline media metaphor mavens as a Hurricane Don would have been, even that could have been much, much worse.

The on-deck Pacific storm name is Hillary.

Something CAN be done about that.

Vote Democrats out of office...

You see the movie POLICE ACADEMY...

"You're Welcome"
Obama and the Democrat Party

Something CAN be done about that.

Vote Democrats out of office...

You see the movie POLICE ACADEMY...

"You're Welcome"
Obama and the Democrat Party

It's also what happened with the Darren Wilson shooting and, once again, ya'all turned out to be WRONG...

Why not WAIT for the facts to come out??

This is quite obviously one example of a cop who wasn't properly trained or a cop upon whom the training was lost. He could have shot his partner for pete's sake!

No it's NOT 'obvious' to someone who is looking for FACTS..

Given the climate that Odumbo and the Dumbocrats have created where cop ambushes are up 42%, the reaction of this officer is, on the face of it, COMPLETELY understandable..

Why not wait for FACTS before condemning him...???

"There's your cite."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

That doesn't help your case at all.

For instance, Gallup shows that, since his inauguration, Trump's approval among Republicans has dropped from 89% down to 87%

Not much, considering that they should have been thoroughly embarrassed by him by now.

But among independents, who do still apparently have a sense of common decency, his approval rating has plummeted from 42% to just 33%.

And among the small group of Democrats who 'approved' of him on inauguration day, he's also dropped almost by half, from 13% down to 8%.

So his largest drop in support is among precisely those that, as you say, don't fall along "normal Democrat/Republican lines", and his only consistent support is among those who identify as "Republican".

I don't need to do that to understand what big city/small town cops are facing out there on the streets. It's dangerous out there and they are supposed to be trained to handle these dangers.

This is quite obviously one example of a cop who wasn't properly trained or a cop upon whom the training was lost. He could have shot his partner for pete's sake!

No.

OK, throw him in jail for murder right now...

Got it... :^/

I would dare say that YOU might do the EXACT same thing given the circumstances...

Do a ride-along with big city cops in the inner city/ghetto...

At least SEE what they go thru before you pass judgement...

You can thank Odumbo and the Dumbocrats for that...

Yes.. It happens..

He panicked.

He acted without thinking.

Assumes facts not in evidence...

He needs to be taken off of the streets.

Perhaps..

So, now we have gone from executing the cop to throwing him in jail to house-arrest...

Would you be satisfied if he just lost his badge???

And, the cops who know how to do their jobs need to buck the tradition and speak up about this utter incompetence.

OK, so sentence him to life in prison is perfectly acceptable even though all the facts are not in???

Is THAT what you are saying???

He panicked.

He acted without thinking.

He needs to be taken off of the streets.

I am simply saying you are reacting emotionally without all the facts...

Un-fricken-believable!

Is it???

A cop responds to a prowler call and hears what sounds like a gunshot and returns fire..

How, EXACTLY, is that "Un-fricken-believable"....

I would dare say that YOU might do the EXACT same thing given the circumstances...

Un-fricken-believable!

Again..

BASED ON WHAT!??

But among Republicans, his support is only down from something like 84% to 82%. So it seems to be holding, so far. Again, let's see what happens now that repeal-and-??? is now dead.

But President Trump's support is NOT necessarily Republican support..

THAT's a point ya'all have made time and time again...

You simply cannot gauge Trump support via normal Democrat/Republican lines...

This cop needs to go to jail.

Based on what???

Com'on Liz... This baseless and factless hysteria is completely and unequivocally atypical of you..

Let's wait til the FACTS come in before we line this cop up against the wall and shoot him, eh??

Both claims made above are accurate, up to a point.

Trump's base has not deserted him, but support has weakened.

Trump has lost any Dem and most Indy support, which is why his numbers are 40 percent overall (or worse).

But among Republicans, his support is only down from something like 84% to 82%. So it seems to be holding, so far. Again, let's see what happens now that repeal-and-??? is now dead.

But also, the fervor of that support has lessened. When you look into the divide between "strongly support" and "kinda support", Trump's strong numbers have been dropping. This shows movement away from strong support, but this hasn't translated yet into his base totally giving up on him.

So, like I said, both sides are kinda right, up to a point. Trump still holds onto his base support, but they're weakening in that support.

At least, that's what I've seen in the polls.

-CW

And the refugees are the bigger concern...

Congrats to the Trump Administration for ANOTHER SCOTUS win....

How does a cop, who is sitting in the passenger seat of the cop car, shoot out the driver's window, past his partner who was sitting in the driver's seat, and kill a woman who called 911 to report a possible sexual assault?

And, for the record, the woman wasn't reporting a sexual assault.. She was reporting a prowler...

See!!?? You CAN cite your claims!!!!

Congrats... :D

I am glad I was able to convince you to cite your claims...

Good girl, Veronica....

Supreme Court allows Trump travel ban enforcement, but says it must allow broader exemptions for relatives.

The Supreme Court on Wednesday once again compromised on President Trump’s travel ban, saying the government may enforce tightened restrictions on refugees for now but also must allow into the country more travelers from six mostly Muslim countries who have family members already here.

The short order from the court means that the administration must continue to accept those with grandparents, aunts and uncles and other relatives in the United States. The Trump administration had set a stricter interpretation of who could be allowed in under a Supreme Court decision issued last month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-allows-trump-travel-ban-enforcement-but-says-it-must-allow-broader-exemptions-for-relatives/2017/07/19/6945e01e-6bf8-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.7ec18372144b

He is a black Somali-American!!???

I don't know.. I wasn't there..

The FACTS will come out..

Why don't we wait for them before we pass judgement..

Who is being hired these days to be a cop?

Ahhhhh Apparently you don't need no facts to pass judgement...

:^/

How does a cop, who is sitting in the passenger seat of the cop car, shoot out the driver's window, past his partner who was sitting in the driver's seat, and kill a woman who called 911 to report a possible sexual assault?

How does that happen?

Who is being hired these days to be a cop?

And I am not talking about just showing up for a check-in and then ignoring the issue for a year until the next check-in...

I am talking about actively doing or paying what is necessary to become a legal American or immigrant...

Ya can't be bothered with that??

Then get the frak out....

It's that simple....

If I recall correctly, the "I have a heart" 'promise' was made after President Trump was elected and, therefore, was NOT a campaign promise..

Irregardless of that, if Trump made two diametrically opposed promises, logic dictates that he stick with the promise that is more Law & Order which was the over-all theme of Candidate Trump's campaign...

As opposed to the promise that is more ideologically pleasing to you...

it's that law enforcement is heartlessly going after people who are clearly NOT bad hombres,

They are criminals.. As such, they have no one to blame but themselves...

I like it!!!

Weigantia can be a SANCTUARY LAND!!!!!!

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

I sure could use some fresh meat, that much is certain.. :D

Oh.. My mistake..

MAD COW was spotted in Alabama...

Silly me... :D

Present company excepted, of course. :D

That's very true..

Yet, Dumbocrats EPITOMIZE...

"GOD DAMN AMERICA!!"
-Reverend Wright...

Officials: At least 12 alleged MS-13 members arrested
http://longisland.news12.com/story/35921051/official-at-least-a-dozen-arrested-in-ms-13-gang-killings

Oh yes...

OH PLEASE PRESIDENT TRUMP!! DON'T BREAK UP FAMILIES!!!!!!!

:^/

Ya know, when someone robs a bank and gets caught their "families are broke up" when the criminal goes to jail...

Why should criminal immigrants be afforded any special privilege???

If ya don't want yer family broke up???

"QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!!!!"
-Jim Carrey, LIAR, LIAR

:D