V: Ve have emails between ze Clintons and [REDACTED] regarding beeg donations to ze Clinton foundation. Could you use zat?

Don Jr: Sure! That sounds nifty!

Manafort: Actually, that's probably too specific. She could say that she solicits lots of billionaires, and that he's just one of dozens.

Kushner: Did she contact dozens of Russians?

V: Nyet. Only zis one, and anozer got a form latter. Democrats not wery popular vit Russian olygarchs zis days.

Manafort: We need something that paints with a broader brush, something she can't shrug off with a quip.

Kush: If only we could get into the DNC. Lots that we could use there.

V: Ve hacked zem last year. Beeg snooz. Wery boring.

(stunned silence)

Manafort: Jesus. You have a back door to the DNC?

V: Da. Zince last yeer. Eff-bee-aye caught hack, nobody care. Door steel vide open.

Kushner: Anything about Bernie Sanders in there?

V: Ve can luke for zat. I zink German voman zere not like Zanders mush. He ees Juvish, I zink, no?

Kush: If you mean Debbie Shultz, she's a jew, too.

V: Vell, she hits him. How you say - 'no luf lost' zere.

Manafort: Hmm. If you could dump a bunch of emails like that onto the internet, we could make a lot of hay out of that.

V: Okay, I tell zem: dump emails, you make hay.

Kush: And keep us out of it. We don't want this to look like it's our doing. Try to get something from Hillary or her close advisors too.

Manafort: Yeah, someone like Podesta, he's a bastard. Probably cursing a blue streak at Bernie right now.

V: Hillary ees too careful. Podesta mebbe. Okay, I do. Ve dump emails, you geet Magnitsky sanctions leefted.

Kush: We have to get into office first.

V: Okay, but a deal ees a deal, right?

Manafort: A deal's a deal. Don't worry. You do your part, we'll do ours.

Don Jr.: Nifty!

-------end scene---

Of course, the Russians did go back into the DNC server and hacked Podesta too. The Russians dumped the first batch on a site set up by a cut-out 'Guccifer', but the press decided that combing through it was too much work, and the story almost died. Then Roger Stone gave that same material to Nigel Farage, who gave it to Julian Assange, who made it world-famous by doling it out a little at a time on Wikileaks. The rest ees heeztory.

If there aren't jobs for those graduating from college, then why would there be jobs for those that aren't going to college? I understand the concept of "supply & demand", but as nypoet22 pointed out, it's the high cost of an education that is the problem, not having an education!

Of course those security-minded pubbies have yet to do squat about Kushner's previous failures-to-disclose. But then since republicans have already sold us out to Russia what would be the point?

Sorry ta hear you weren't feeling well..

I am also going to have to forgo any response to this or any future comment for the next couple days...

I am taking the grandkids camping into the great unknown wilderness... May the gods have mercy on my soul...

If I'm not back in 2 days......

Just wait longer! :D

"If I'm not back in 5 minutes.... Just wait longer!!"
-Jim Carrey, ACE VENTURA: PET DETECTIVE

:D

In some other thread last week you asked about generality in my opinion that the person could legitimately have been identified in that instance.

I'm posting here just to write that I'm not ducking the question; it's an important one. I was under the weather for a couple days, and now I'm a little swamped.

But, spoiler alert: The partisan content of this or some mirroring hypothetical doesn't matter to me. That has inviolable aspects of protected speech; it can be placed in the arena of political cartoons. An umbrella of protection of that speech may well entail anonymity.

However, once it was re-tweeted offically - whether potus meant it as anything but good Queens-style fun, or something more serious-- it necessarily expanded. At that point it co-joins with and absorbs aspects of a political message presented to the public. In that, it would be of a species with PAC-based tv ads, such as were threatened against Heller. HanAssholeSolo likely has not filed disclosure forms.

Hmm. Pretty big spoiler. And I have a conference call in three minutes now. Good thing those damned things never start on time, especially on a Monday.

The whole assertion of "extortion" by CNN is another part of this, but I should go.

I was going fast above, and reserve the right to extend and revise my comments.

Yeah, I never even heard of him. I guess we disagree.

Oh, don't worry, we won't have to. The Republicans are going to try again to shoot themselves in the head with a healthcare bill.

Why you asking me!?

It was Odumbo's National Security Adviser who made the statement..

Ask him!

I understand, however, that Obama moved aggressively behind the scenes,

Cite???

How would that have moved the needle, exactly? You saw what happened when the heads of our intelligence community released a statement about the Russians. Trump was ready with his 'rigged election' argument, and the press was far more interested in pussy, anyway.

I understand, however, that Obama moved aggressively behind the scenes, moves that have almost certainly been undone by now by the Russiaphiles in the White House. Obama also famously seized two compounds used by the Russians, and slapped more sanctions on them publicly. That was the action that Flynn told the Russians they shouldn't retaliate for, remember? He assured them that all that would be undone, eventually.

But who needs fancy listening posts when you can just ask the President for whatever you need to know? I'm sure the Russians aren't worried about it.

I am ALL FOR the Dumbocrats talking about NOTHING but Russia until the 2018 mid-terms..

NOTHING will guarantee a solid majority for the GOP in the HOUSE and SENATE than the Dumbocrats talking about Russia 24/7..... :D

By all means.... Continue.. :D

Cite??

None of any of this was the work of Democrats. The Spotlight on the Russians was put on them by Trump himself, and by those around him.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.. :D

Democrats weren't even thinking about them before that, much, and didn't even make much of Trump's odd praise for Putin until the DNC was hacked, and the fingerprints on that hack turned out to be Russian. I can't, in fact, remember a week prior to Trump's announcement that he was running for the presidency that Russia was a major story. Then Trump hired a bunch of guys who were also known for their ties to Russians - Carter page, for instance, whose name had already popped up in a NY Russian espionage case (as a dupe, no less), was the first person Trump introduced to the press as his 'National Security advisor', followed by Manafort, the lounge singer lookalike who had last been seen propping up the former would-be dictator of the Ukraine. Then Flynn. And Flynn's disproved denials of Russian contacts led to revelations that other members of Trump's inner circle had also failed to reveal meetings with Russians, including his Attorney General, his Son in Law, and now his son.

None of any of this was the work of Democrats. The Spotlight on the Russians was put on them by Trump himself, and by those around him.

If ya'all *REALLY* want to talk about Russian collusion....

Obama’s former national security adviser, Thomas Donilon, says as much in a new interview for The Global Politico, telling me there’s “no doubt about it” that Obama should have publicly pinned the blame on the Russians much sooner and taken more aggressive steps to retaliate.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/10/tom-donilon-global-politico-215356

Obama colluded with Russians and gave them a pass on "hacking" the election....

So, let's talk about Russia if ya'all really want to...

Why would Odumbo let the Russians "hack" the election???

If the election were held today...

NOT-45 WOULD STILL LOSE!!!!!

OUCH!!! That's GOTTA hurt!!!! :D

And there is a 98% chance that NOT-45 will win the election!!!! :D

Howd' THAT work out for ya'all?? :D

Back when the GOP did it, ya'all screamed hysterically about ODS...

Now that ya'all are doing it, it's perfectly acceptable..

Hypocrisy much??

MUCH too much....

Trump's Russia connections are not an issue either...

Ya'all don't CARE about ANY connections to Russia. If you did, you would condemn NOT-45 MORE than Trump because she has MORE connections..

So, the issue isn't Russia..

For ya'all and the entirety of the Left, the *ONLY* issue at work here is obstructing President Trump and making him a one term, if not impeached, POTUS..

So, spare the BS about Russia...

The facts CLEARLY prove beyond any doubt that ya'all don't care about Russia..

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad....

C'mon M. It's mid-summer - could you restrain yourself from blowing so much hot air? That sort of vague "you too-ism" might hold some water over in the jungle swamp of the right, but out here in the real world, Hillary isn't even an issue, and Trump is neck-deep in in Russian mobsters, and promoting Putin's nonsensical 'cyber-coordination' idea.

The key figure in the whole thing, Denis Katsyv, was represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya who was in the meeting with Trump’s inner circle..

Preet Bharara was of course fired while conducting [a case against Katsyv] and it was recently settled for about 6 million dollars without Katsyv or his companies having to acknowledge any guilt.

I would like to know who exactly was involved in setting up the plea deal with Katsyv. That could be interesting.

The hilarious part of this sordid affair is that Don Jr. seems to be as guileless as his father, when it comes to denials - he's managed instead to have confirmed many of the most damning details from the press reports.

But THOSE connections don't seem to bother you at all..

"Gee!!! I wonder why that is!!???"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

It's STILL not enough to nullify the election and make NOT-45 POTUS....

President Trump is STILL your president...

Let us pause for a moment and consider the Magnitsky Act. Sergei Magnitsky was an auditor from a Russian law firm who uncovered the biggest case of tax fraud in the history of Russian kleptocratic corruption, which is something. In response, Magnitsky was arrested and put on trial for tax evasion in front of a bunch of crooks in lovely kangaroo suits. He died in prison of untreated medical problems and (probably) from being beaten to death by the good people from the Interior Ministry. In 2012, the Congress passed a law that froze the assets and effectively rendered non-persons 18 Russian officials who were tied in some way to the persecution and murder of Sergei Magnitsky. This got up the nose of Vladimir Putin, who responded by suspending the adoption of Russian children by American families. He also launched a PR blitz headed by a well-connected hack lawyer named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Which is where Junior comes in.

Yep, Putin is such a cool guy -- Trumpers love him! Because their leader (Orange-man) can do no wrong even when he kisses up to a killer.

Further:

What I believe I see here is an incredibly corrupt American family doing business with criminal gangs that are way, way out of their league, and that are in league with the institutions of government, and the formidable security apparatus, of an authoritarian state. Talk about punching out of your weight class. This isn't cheating some poor subcontractor. These people throw you out windows. And the Trumps have being doing business in this financial abattoir for years. This doesn't make them sharp. This makes them compliant minnows in a shark tank.

you're partially right. however, supply and demand operate differently in factor markets than they do in product markets. the demand for natural resources, tools for production and human labor depends on whether those factors can be used to produce a wanted good or service. at the moment our country has a massive surplus of unskilled or semi-skilled labor, and a shortage of highly skilled labor. labor that is skilled but not specialized is still in demand, but market forces make it cost too much to pay for enough labor to safely meet production demand.

thus, the problem is not a surplus of university education, it's high cost of education combined with the low cost of goods and services. not enough citizens can afford to continue their education to levels of quality that are sufficient for factor markets, so people with more limited college education are saddled with more debt than their value on factor markets can sustain. firms end up having to import or outsource their skilled labor in order to afford to produce their goods and services.

JL

This is the kind of world that Odumbo and the Dumbocrats have given us..

It's no wonder President Trump won the election!

I ALREADY DID address the original point. But as usual, you either fail or refuse to see it, because it totally refutes and contradicts your fun of just bashing everyone with a "D" after their names.

No you did not...

You said NOTHING re: the differences between military operations and civilians being brutally murdered due to lack of security arrangements..

MULTIPLE investigations cleared Clinton and Obama of being directly at fault for what happened in Benghazi. But for whatever reason you can't see to either accept that or to let it go.

And, once again, you ignore my point.

Odumbo and Clinton *LIED* about what caused Benghazi..

Can you address that??? No, you cannot..

You really can't say that Ambassador Stevens bears no personal responsibility for breaking protocol and ignoring standard operating procedures? Is that what YOU are really trying to say?

I am asking you for FACTS to support that claim...

But you have none, so you simply go off on a tangent and blame the victim...

You did't PROVE anything. And regarding the ops in Yemen, which is a total non sequitor vs Benghazi,

I completely agree that it's totally NON-SEQUITOR.. *I* am not the one who brought it up.. It was either Balthy or Listen who brought up that comparison..

The fact that it's completely non-sequitor *WAS* my original point and I am glad we agree on that...

Thank you for FINALLY addressing my point and double thank you for agreeing with it.. :D

How do ya'all reconcile ya'all's great and dead on ballz accurate comments with ya'all's support for illegal immigrants and illegal immigration??

Those two positions are diametrically opposite and I am sincerely curious how you reconcile those two positions..

In addition to the burden on employers, especially small businesses, these high wages are also harming low-skilled workers who need experience, as employers will aim to hire someone “worth” $15.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/ingrid-jacques/2017/07/08/jacques-liberal-policies-flop/103531694/

As I have always said and the FACTS bear out..

Democrat policies ALWAYS sound good in theory.. That's why they most always poll so well...

But, in reality, they are simply non-workable, unsustainable and, more often then not, have the OPPOSITE effect, hurting the very people they are proposed to help...

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/australian-journalists-searing-assessment-of-trump-strikes-a-chord-around-the-world-in-viral-video-20170709-gx7t5a.html

Now, the gov't (local, states, feds) cover less of the cost and we all have student loan debt and good higher edu is prohibitively expensive.

Lower corp taxes help ensure a lower-quality talent pool requiring H-1s. Perhaps the answer is those businesses pay the taxes necessary to educate a US workforce. Just saying.

This is why our current policy of importing graduates is short sighted.

I want to be careful with my words here, so give me some latitude. Asians' income is higher than Whites, which is higher than Blacks and Latinos (see http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/). I work with a lot of top quality engineers who immigrated from India, China, Taiwan, etc. and I'd speculate that part of the difference between White and Asian income is due to this group (note: I'm a post grad immigrant from the U.K.).

We cannot blame companies for bringing in talent if they cannot find it here. There are claims that companies undercut American graduates with cheaper Asian immigrants, but that is only at the most junior levels and a simple minimum salary for H-1s would fix this if it is a problem, however the demand in the Bay Area alone for well educated talent far outstrips the H-1 visa program numbers.

We are creating the next generation of the "left behind" because the cost for tertiary education is beyond most people. It cost me about $100,000 to put each of my kids thru 4 years of state school in California and I saved for 15 years to be able to afford it, and all of them worked while at school and are either through in less than 4 years or on target to do so.

We need to invest in the health and education of America. Not because we are "liberals" but because we are Americans who want American capitalism to win - you know, like Republicans used to want before the Church took them over.

#1: Don't think that UBI is the way to go and am pretty sure it's not politically feasible at the moment. Something akin to WPA is much more do-able and serves a similar purpose. At some point, this was CW's point and I agree with him.

#5: Santorum ('12) also spoke about College not being necessary for all. He was wrong, as is DH. University may not be right for all, but some college (i.e. 2-Yr) is necessary in today's world. I teach at a CC and we have auto programs and a welding program and other programs like that. The truth is that in today's world, you can't do auto repair without some College (e.g. we now plug a car into a computer to do diagnostics); you can't do Manufacturing without some College, even if it is dedicated career-tech ed. We used to do that in HS's, but we don't any more. Therefore, people need at least some post-HS edu.

IMHO the best thing the GOP did when they took the House was to institute term limits on Committee Chairs. This really enabled the next gen to move up. Dems have no mechanism to allow that. Seniority is everything to the Dems, much to the our detriment.

Point #2 looks at a problem that is fix-able, but the fix offered doesn't do it. Bringing factories back to small-town America is a pipe dream akin to bringing back coal jobs.

Point #1 needs to be two parts. You've outlined the first part well, but the second part needs to be legislating a middle-class overtime fix b/c Obama was too slow in implementing one and it's now on hold.

Because people like ya'all refuse to hold ya'all's Party leaders accountable when the screw up..

Ya'all DEFEND their screw-ups and continue to elect them and then wonder why ya'all can't get quality leaders...

Ya'all get the leaders you deserve....

"You CAN'T address the original point about the difference between military ops vs NOT-45's totally massive frak-up so you go off on some non-sequitor bender about how it was Ambassador Steven's fault he got himself and 3 other Americans killed..

When I prove THAT to be complete and utter felgercarb, you try and deflect by blaming the GOP because they cut State Dept funding.."

I ALREADY DID address the original point. But as usual, you either fail or refuse to see it, because it totally refutes and contradicts your fun of just bashing everyone with a "D" after their names.

MULTIPLE investigations cleared Clinton and Obama of being directly at fault for what happened in Benghazi. But for whatever reason you can't see to either accept that or to let it go.

You really can't say that Ambassador Stevens bears no personal responsibility for breaking protocol and ignoring standard operating procedures? Is that what YOU are really trying to say?

You did't PROVE anything. And regarding the ops in Yemen, which is a total non sequitor vs Benghazi, all you did was mouth a bunch of empty platitudes about how great a commander Trump is, as usual, when Trump couldn't even figure out how to use a latrine on his own without having some poor slob hold his hand and help him find things in the dark.

First off, Obama WASN'T wrong.. He lied. He was briefed MANY times that upwards of 15-20 million Americans would LOSE their health insurance.. But he kept on spewing the lies..

Secondly, you DIDN'T just say "Obama was wrong".. If you had, even though it's bullshit, that would have been SOMEWHAT redeeming..

What you DID say was "Obama was wrong, but it wasn't really his fault because everyone knows that Obama is perfect"...

In other words, you excused the fact that Odumbo lied and tried to make it like he was the hero..

EXACTLY like a Party zealot does...

You are wrong, again.

That's your claim.. But it's the claim of a Party zealot who has absolutely NO FACTS to back it up..

But thanks for answering that question I was wondering about... It's clear you've chosen the dishonest sack of dicks route.

Just as you have chosen the Party Bigot/Zealot route..

I would rather be a sack of dicks than a Party slave and bigot...

"5. Bernie was WRONG!!!!!!!!!
The problem is that we are sending too many people to college."

What if it was not ONLY college? What if you got a stipend or a voucher from the government, that you could then use to go back to college and get another degree, or get your first degree, whether you are 18 years old or 50 years old. Or medical school. Become a doctor if you agree to go into say family practice in a small rural town for a minimum of two years afterward. You'd be required to sign a contract to do so before getting your voucher. Or, why doesn't it even have to be college? It could be a vocational school. Learn how to be a welder or a hairdresser if you want and you think that's your passion. Same thing.

But thanks for answering that question I was wondering about... It's clear you've chosen the dishonest sack of dicks route.

How can this be a problem? You aren't suggesting that jobs are going unfilled because the people who would fill it are in school, so I am not sure why it is a problem for people to seek a higher education. The medical profession is going to need a large number of workers to take care of our growing number of elderly that are living longer lives. Teachers are needed in lots of communities. While I realize that there are plenty of majors that are crap and don't offer much hope for finding a good paying job after graduation -- Art History & Philosophy are two that come to mind -- getting a good paying job tends to be easier to find with a degree than without one.

Are you a college graduate? I'm just curious because I have an uncle that is always making this argument. He is also the only one of my father's siblings that did not go to college.

"Obama screwed up... Obama lied" and left it at that...

But you have to mitigate, extenuate and spin everything...

You are wrong once again.

Like I said..

You always spin it so Odumbo is right and everyone else is wrong.. :D

The sure sign of a Party zealot....

You can *NEVER* concede when Odumbo screws up...

I have no problem conceding that Obama screwed up at times, and neither did Obama. He admitted that he was wrong to claim that if you liked your doctor that you'd get to keep them -- mainly because he had no control over that. The ACA was written in a way that specifically prevented insurance providers from HAVING to drop plans people were already on, and that is why he made the claim. However, he never considered that the insurance companies might choose to drop pre-existing plans in favor of new ones that made them more money. Obama was wrong, and he admitted to that mistake and apologized for it.

You are wrong once again.

As long as she ain't taking her shoes and socks off!!! :D

I would NEVER!!! :^*

I didn't have any problem...

https://www.google.com/#q=Obama+knocks+patriotism+on+4th+of+july

Probably because Obama can't say ANYTHING about a mass shooting, other than to push an Anti-American and Anti-gun political agenda that has NOTHING to do with saving lives from gun violence...

The same thing you have always said every single time Obama says something about a shooting.

You're not fooling anyone, Michale.

No more than ya'all have a Trump obsession..

No more than the entirety of the Left had a Bush obsession during the Obama years...

Ya'all set the rules...

I just play by them....

But honestly, don't you consider it odd that Obama didn't voice any condemnation for the mass shooting by a Democrat Bernie Bro...

It's almost as if Obama didn't care...

It appears you have an Obama obsession.

If Obama wants to preach tolerance and respect, maybe Obama should point out to Democrats that it's not nice to go on a shooting rampage and specifically target Republicans...

Or maybe Obama is just too busy having fun on his whirlwind celebrity vacations to even care....

I wasn't talking about you... :D

But even THAT position is whacked..

Where was the "common sense" when he blatantly lied to millions of Americans about being able to keep their health insurance???

I also start from the concept that the assertions you make about him come from fake news reports

For example....????

he advocated for respecting others and tolerance

Where is the respect and tolerance for President Trump??

Let's face reality.. When Obama advocates for "respect" and "tolerance" what he is REALLY saying is respect and tolerance for ONLY those who thinks as he does...

If Obama had ANY respect, he would take a lesson from President Bush on how a FORMER President is supposed to act...

But with Obama, it's ALL about Obama and to hell with the country...

Does anyone here see any similarity with the actions of the Left Wingery vis a vis President Trump and the actions of the Right Wingery vis a vis Obama??

Of course, the Right didn't go on a shooting spree specifically trying to assassinate Democrats...

But beyond that..

Is there any similarity at all between the Right's ODS and the Left PTDS??

You can't possibly be serious!

Are you okay? Seriously?

Did any of your news sources indicate that, Michale?

It has to do with being able to think critically and understand the meaning of words and sentences.

I tried for a half hour to find anything remotely resembling a transcript or video of his holiday weekend Indonesian speech and could not. Did you have better luck?

No, Michale.

I start from the concept that President Obama is a decent human being with a lot of common sense.

I also start from the concept that the assertions you make about him come from fake news reports, that you only read the headlines, and that you refuse to think critically when it comes to the former president or to many issues.

Btw, the fake news reports you rely on so often are geared to the ill-informed and gullible. Which should offend you. :)

That's because you START with the concept that Odumbo is PERFECT in every way and THEN go from there...

That's why you are so confused...

Because if Odumbo *WAS* the leader you THINK he is, we would be dealing with President NOT-45...

Since we're not, you are obviously wrong about Odumbo specifically and the Dumbocrat Party in general...

Either Democrats are *ALWAYS* right about everything and the GOP is *ALWAYS* wrong about everything... An impossibility...

OR....

You are simply incapable of being objective about ANYTHING to do with Democrats or Republicans...

When one employs Occam's Razor, the answer is quite clear...

You always have SPIN that puts Odumbo in the most perfect light possible..

Just like with his YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT and IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR...

You can *NEVER* concede when Odumbo screws up...

You're like a religious fanatic who claims god is perfect...

If, in YOUR mind, Odumbo is perfect in every way, how can you POSSIBLY claim to have a firm grasp of reality??

I can never figure out if you are just wrong or if you are a trying to be a dishonest sack of dicks when you make comments like this. If you read what was actually said instead of just trusting what your alt.right sites claim Obama "meant" by what he said, you'd see that there is a big difference

Obama warned of “an aggressive kind of nationalism” and “increased resentment of minority groups” that is occurring in some countries. He never said that patriotism was a bad thing.

4th of July holiday weekend...

and I'm pretty sure he didn't say that because it simply doesn't ring true.

It IS what he said.. And of course it doesn't ring true...

But it's to be expected from Barack GOD-DAMN-AMERICA Obama...

Well, it was actually on July 1st and I'm pretty sure he didn't say that because it simply doesn't ring true.

Exactly. Look at some of the younger Democrats like Corey Booker. Is he more innovative and courageous than Brown? I remember the primaries when for a while a lot of folks in the mainstream media though Marco Rubio was the "face of the future of the Republican Party". But Rubio couldn't be more conventional and blah. Media types just assumed he was "the future" because he was young(for a politician) and good looking(for a politician. Let's face it, not a high bar). But love him or hate him, it was Trump who was the future of the party. Point is, being young doesn't necessarily correlate to having an innovative or modern approach to politics or policy ideas. And being older doesn't necessarily correlate with being staid or establishment.

Maybe you missed Obama's Indonesian speech where he claimed that patriotism is a bad thing.. On the 4th Of July, no less..

Or this little gem about NOT-45..

Waaaa!!! Waaaa!!!!! I wanna play too!!!!
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/341052-hillary-clinton-looks-for-her-role-in-midterms

No, the idea that Obama and NOT-45 are going to fade away, as they should, is just wishful thinking on the part of the Left...

Thankfully none. We need a new generation of thinkers and leaders and Obama and Hillary hanging around will suck even more air out of the room.

Thankfully?

Where is this new generation of thinkers and leaders and what have they done in the past 5+ months to put forward their ideas about healthcare and how the problematic Obamacare can be fixed?

Btw, Obama and Clinton aren't sucking any air out of the room these days ...

(R)223 - 212(D)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

generic ballot has dems up 7.2%

the partisan gerrymander from 2010 redistricting gives the gop approximately a 9% advantage in seats.

conservative leaning scotus will uphold the gerrymander, not necessarily for political advantage, but because the constitution doesn't say anything about it.

therefore, dems pick up around 15 seats but gop holds the house by a margin of around 10 seats.

JL

Thankfully none. We need a new generation of thinkers and leaders and Obama and Hillary hanging around will suck even more air out of the room.

There is a gaping opportunity for a new Democratic leader to emerge - and he or she needs to be in their 40's not their 70's. I'm not being agist because I'm well past my 40's, however there are two generations of Americans who have not seen a politician of their age group play a leadership role in the Democratic Party.

Yer in for a rude awakening, my friend..

That group you are talking about is going to vote GOP...

Present company excepted, of course.. :D

If All those Republicans in Congress who were conducting so many multiple investigations of Hillary over Benghazi, were really concerned about diplomatic security, WHY were they CUTTING funding for security for State Department diplomatic missions AFTER Benghazi??? Care to explain that HYPOCRISY to me???

So, let me get this straight..

You CAN'T address the original point about the difference between military ops vs NOT-45's totally massive frak-up so you go off on some non-sequitor bender about how it was Ambassador Steven's fault he got himself and 3 other Americans killed..

When I prove THAT to be complete and utter felgercarb, you try and deflect by blaming the GOP because they cut State Dept funding..

Do I have that right???

It's an actual plan, Liz, not a mysterious one. And it has a lot of good ideas, like a public option, and curbing direct-to-consumer prescription advertising by ending the tax deduction that drug companies get for doing it.

And, apparently (except for the loons in California) the American people resoundingly and DEVASTATINGLY rejected NOT-45's so-called alleged "plan"....

THAT'S the part you simply don't get and can't... WON'T accept...

A U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman said, “We don’t comment on ongoing investigations.”
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/fbi-arrests-omaha-man-accused-of-threatening-u-s-sen/article_3d24352a-6334-11e7-8aa5-174a1c4866a5.html

Democrats.. :^/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mhairi_Black

She is quite the firebrand.

Thankfully none. We need a new generation of thinkers and leaders and Obama and Hillary hanging around will suck even more air out of the room.

There is a gaping opportunity for a new Democratic leader to emerge - and he or she needs to be in their 40's not their 70's. I'm not being agist because I'm well past my 40's, however there are two generations of Americans who have not seen a politician of their age group play a leadership role in the Democratic Party.

Balthasar,

I believe Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president. Her congressional testimony Re. Benghazi was quite impressive as were her talks at various think tanks (one she did at Brookings stands out for me).

My complaint is not with Hillary - it's with the absolute ineptitude with which she ran her last campaign for president and how she handled her email situation from the get-go.

This is hardly a knee-jerk reaction on my part. All through the 2016 campaign I was advocating for any number of changes in the way she was running her campaign because I could see where it was going and it wasn't a pretty picture.

What have either of them done - or any Democrat, for that matter - to outline a pragmatic and effective alternative to what the congressional Republicans are trying to do?

Collectively, they have done NOTHING!!!

And, THAT is why I am so frustrated and why I now believe that we are all in for another seven and a half years of Trump.

But, how many Americans are aware of that? Hmmm?

I would advise Hillary (and Obama for that matter) to do more that tweet about their ideas for healthcare, for Pete's sake!!!

It's an actual plan, Liz, not a mysterious one. And it has a lot of good ideas, like a public option, and curbing direct-to-consumer prescription advertising by ending the tax deduction that drug companies get for doing it.

I'm well aware that you're not a Hillary fan Liz, but a knee-jerk reaction like that betrays your otherwise pragmatic reputation.

Which is actually why Trump may be in the oval office for seven and a half more years.

Because the Democrats have nothing to offer on anything beyond a inane tweet about having some sort of mysterious plan.

God help the idea of America ...