Yea.. A DECADE ago..

And Dems have been *LOSING* ever since...

WHY is that??

Because the American people realize that Democrats are selling bullshit and the American people just ain't gonna buy it anymore...

domhoff goes into quite a bit of detail about how the two party system got to where it is, i just ran out of energy to post about it.

@kick,

much obliged :)

@michale,

dems won in 2006 without obama, and donald trump is the epitome of "celebrity politician." read a book!

https://youtu.be/kZhJlGV2s_k?t=23s

a majority of the electorate actually prefers the democratic platform to the republican one, they just don't trust democrats to go to the mat for the ideals they claim to support. after so many years of "splitting the baby," there's a credibility gap.

fewer people support the republican platform, which as liz says is "anti-enlightenment / ignores basic fundamental truths and evidence-based assertions." however, they have a much better track record for trying to achieve their stated goals, and therefore tend to get more reliable turnout.

JL

the theorist whose views most closely mirror my own is GW Domhoff. i'll post a link, but i'll also try to summarize:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/class_domination.html

Very nice post and interesting link.

Thank you so much for posting it. :)

And then turns around and delivers on every promise he can...

But the IMPORTANT part of your comment is the "LISTEN" part..

Democrats don't LISTEN anymore. They dictate...

YOU WILL NEED THIS.. YOU ONLY NEED THAT.. YOU SURE DON'T NEED THE OTHER THING...

That is why the Democrat Party is decimated in the here and now..

They got fooled by the euphoria of the Obama phenom into thinking that the American people REALLY like the Democrat Party and really BELIEVE in what the Democrat Party was selling..

But Obama was nothing more than a celebrity Politician. A Clint Eastwood for Mayor... A Jesse Ventura for Governor... A Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor... A Dwayne Johnson for President....

Without an Obama, when the field is level, Americans turned back to the Party that most match their values and wants and needs..

And that is the Republican Party...

Until the Democrat Party can fundamentally change the way they treat Americans, they will remain the minority Party for the rest of our lives...

It's really that simple...

That doesn't seem to take into account the fact that the two parties have diverged so much from each other that one relies, at least to some extent, on common sense solutions and believes in science and enlightenment. Whereas the other party has developed into one with an anti-Enlightenment agenda that ignores basic fundamental truths and evidence-based assertions.

Neither does it take into account the emergence (and re-emergence) of truly up-wing leaders like the Governor of California, Jerry Brown.

It makes sense to think that in this time of Trump there should be more Brown-like leaders who step forward with future-oriented vision and the courage to carry out that vision in the face of special interests and dark money.

From what I can tell, the Democratic party is the best hope there is for the survival and continued evolution of the idea of America or of what I like to call the promise of America. I hope there are enough visionary leaders - Democrat or Republican - who are able to cut through the barriers set out in that article you cite.

the theorist whose views most closely mirror my own is GW Domhoff. i'll post a link, but i'll also try to summarize:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/class_domination.html

essentially, the US has a flexible upper class, based mostly on economic power, with its own set of rules to assimilate anyone newly wealthy and to keep the rest of us subservient. they use money and social influence to set the terms of political debate, within which the rest of us have no choice but to operate. this is not cynical manipulation, it's just part of upper class culture.

to a limited extent, voters can choose which members of the elite classes hold power. however, a narrow range of choices in policy and leadership has already been cooked into our society. what's going on now is that the rest of the country is starting to catch on to the fact that their influence on the direction of the country is largely an illusion. many people incorrectly blame this condition on whichever the "other party" happens to be, when in reality it's just what america always was.

donald trump got popular because even though he is a member of the elite class, he still talks and acts like a member of the lower classes. plus he is savvy enough to listen and tell people back what they desperately wish to hear. i'll bring back your jobs, i'll make everything great, and he's willing to be vulgar to try to make the changes he wants. the upper and political classes are in no danger of going broke and losing their healthcare - their passion seems more like a show than genuine concern for the country's working people.

and if it's all really a show anyway, why not elect a real showman?

that's my best guess.

JL

the political class in general is very out of touch with what their constituents want and need.

Can you account for that? I mean, what gives ... especially in this era of Trump?

A few months ago, I relayed an incident from 40 years ago when I used terms like "my religion" and "protestant"..

So you could at least acknowledge the fact that someone who didn't read your posts from 5 or 10 years ago might read your recent post and think you were a Christian because you used those phrases and then insisted you were tolerant of all religions.

As to why I haven't mentioned my religious agnosticity much recently??

I didn't ask that question and don't care. Spin it however you want to, you asked why anyone would think you were a Christian, and I answered.

If you can't acknowledge that your post might lead someone to believe that, then your willful ignorance is again showing, and that's not at all an uncommon occurrence on these boards. :)

What *IS* your obsession with my body parts, Victoria???

Now there's some real comedy and projection, being that it's YOU who is the one who does this frequently in your posts.

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/07/06/at-least-were-not-the-other-guys-really/#comment-104663

Not getting any at home??? :D

It seems in your frequent projection, perhaps you've confused this political board with a different website. If you'd like to discuss your intimate personal life or that of others, why don't you seek out the players' board and find someone "agnostic" who is interested in fat, bald, and uneducated. *LOL*

the political class in general is very out of touch with what their constituents want and need.

@michale,

you're right, i had forgotten about that thing i thought donald did well; obama can't take credit for it. still waiting for another.

@kick,

maybe i'm just out of my vulcan mind...

@bclancy,

alas, i thought it was a prank too.

JL

I had to actually find the contest on the DCCC's website before I believed it was real!

How do you account for why Democrats don't take full advantage of the situation to put their vision - a general vision that most of the country supports - front and center and demonstrate real leadership?

Are they simply incapable or do they just prefer to rest on their presumed laurels?

I just don't get it ... :(

Ahhhhhh The old I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I rebuttal.

Nope. It's the brand spanking new "Michale-is-such-a-Party-bigot-that-he-can't-even-admit-it-was-stupid-for-the-Trump-Administration-to-fail-to-book-a-hotel-room-in-Germany rebuttal.

If you could argue otherwise, there'd be no need to insult me with your elementary school style weak insults. *LOL* :)

But they only have themselves to blame...

When they run on a platform of divisiveness and hatred and bigotry and hatred of America and they pit American against American......???

Well, eventually patriotic Americans get fed up with that and throw the bums out of office....

And considering that the Democrat Party is going to double down on the hatred and bigotry and pitting American against American???

It doesn't look like it's going to get any better for the Dem Party anytime soon...

I had thought my opinion couldn't be much lower of the DCCC and party leadership generally. I would've expected some bland, meaningless tripe from them. This is worse than that, especially the "have you seen the other guys" one. Wow. Just wow.

So around 5 and 10 years ago, you stated you were agnostic, but only months ago you used the terms "my religion" and "Protestant" in the same sentence and then went on to explain you were tolerant of all religions.

No.. Around 40 years ago, I used terms like "my religion" and "protestant"...

5 and 10 years ago (amongst many other times) I stated I was agnostic..

A few months ago, I relayed an incident from 40 years ago when I used terms like "my religion" and "protestant"..

As to why I haven't mentioned my religious agnosticity much recently??

Because *NO ONE* here would be STOOPID enough to think I was a christian...

And yet, here you are.. :D

That's why people might think you're a Christian. It's not complicated no matter how you want to spin it.

Says the spin master.. :D

NO ONE here, with more than 2 brain cells to rub together, would think I was a christian..

Which is probably why you do... :D

You are projecting again, goober. :)

Whatever you have to tell yerself to sleep at night.. :D

You were asking for JL's help; that WAS the point.

Whatever you have to tell yerslef to sleep at night. :D

Apparently you've got time on your hands among other things.

What *IS* your obsession with my body parts, Victoria???

Not getting any at home??? :D

I'm not the one whining for help; again, you are projecting.

Yer not fooling anyone, Victoria.. All your comments are NOTHING but whining.. :D

I'm going to assume Mr. Spock is JL,

Do you know what happens when you make an assumption??

You make an ASS out of YOU... And umption...

Are you done making an ass out of yourself?? Because, if yer not, I'll be happy to keep pointing it out.. :D

Ahhhhhh The old I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I rebuttal.

Sad.....

Grow up, Victoria... :D

And what does that make YOUR candidate who got totally DEVASTATED by that "joke"???

A BIGGER joke, eh?? :D

You actually think you're a political agnostic? *LOL* You worship Trump as if he were your messiah, and if anyone makes a valid criticism about the stupidity of either Trump or the Trump Administration, you then claim their stupidity and poor planning of this week somehow reflects on another candidate retroactively. You always have to deflect any current criticism of your messiah back on the election of 2016 as if it means anything in the past; it doesn't. It's the same "election deflection" you do all the time because you can't admit the idiots in the Trump Administration who forgot to book a hotel room made an ignorant mistake.

Your Party bigotry is showing. :)

It proves the point that you have no point..

You were asking for JL's help; that WAS the point.

Do I need JL's help to show what a lame luser you act like??

You called for his help so apparently you needed it.

I was simply giving JL the opportunity to disavow Partisan Bigotry and come down on you and Balthy for the same things that he comes down on me for..

So you needed his help and whined like a toddler for him to come to your aid.

I was disappointed, but I can understand his position..

So my point was correct that you were calling for JL's help, and you got your fee fees hurt.

If he were to call ya'all on ya'all's many transgressions, he would be spending a LOT more time here in Weigantia and I am certain he has better things to do..

So CRACK A BOOK and learn something instead of whining like a toddler for other people's help.

Me?? I don't.. :D One of the joys of retirement.. heh

Apparently you've got time on your hands among other things.

Anywho... I'll let you go lick your wounds now.. :D

I'm not the one whining for help; again, you are projecting.

"Never cross brains with Mr Spock. He will cut you to pieces every time.."
-Ensign Hikaru Sulu

I'm going to assume Mr. Spock is JL, and you're the dimwit who keeps posting the same lame line over and over again because you refuse to CRACK A BOOK and learn something new. :)

So around 5 and 10 years ago, you stated you were agnostic, but only months ago you used the terms "my religion" and "Protestant" in the same sentence and then went on to explain you were tolerant of all religions.

That's why people might think you're a Christian. It's not complicated no matter how you want to spin it.

Or has yer pee-pee been whacked sufficiently???

You are projecting again, goober. :)

The attacks became increasingly personal and increasingly violent. Strangers were telling me it would have been cheaper to make a new kid, as if anyone in the history of the world could ever replace this bright light of mine, the boy who loves animals and can’t keep himself from kissing babies and always wants to sleep with one arm wrapped around my neck.

Trumpers. Or Russian trolls (whom Trumpers think are just ducky).

Which nonsense is that?? There is so much to choose from.. :D

Trump colludes with Russia...

Russia changes NOT-45 votes to Trump votes..

President obstructs justice....

Which nonsense are you referring to??

You have already stated that President Trump DID do something good..

If you want to retract that in favor of Party bigotry, go ahead..

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/

:D

We can address that question if he does something good.

Exactly...

The Partisan Bigotry is well documented...

And Obama and all the rest of the Left Wingery has been doing the same to President Trump..

Again, what's the point??

President Trump wishes to move on from the Russian meddling into the 2016 election. Why can't he leave the constant denigration of Obama behind, too?

Because it's well documented that Obama was informed about the Russian interference in the election but Obama did NOTHING because he thought it wouldn't matter.. Obama thought that NOT-45 would win..

I mean, he's acting in every way he can to undo much of what Obama has done. Isn't that enough?

If Obama and the LEft wouldn't start none... There wouldn't BE none...

Obama left Trump in much better shape than his predecessor, with a brisk economy, falling deficit, and low unemployment. It will be up to Trump and the GOP not to upset the apple cart. If the economy is still chugging along a year from now, Trump can take credit for not screwing it up. If not, by then it won't do any good to blame the Democrats.

"And everything good that Trump does is because of Obama, right? :^/"

YES, THAT's EXACTLY RIGHT!

Because as you know, it takes at least 6 months to a YEAR for a NEW President to turn the HUGE ship of state around to a new course from that of the FORMER President.

"Of course, defeating the Soviet Union doesn't enter into your thoughts at all, right??

Typical Left Winger... :^/"

EXCEPT, I remember telling you a while back that I voted for Ronald Reagan TWICE. I actually happen to have liked his foreign policy towards the old Soviet union, and I will give him credit there where credit is due.

ALSO, do you forget that Reagan and Gorbachev ALMOST came to an agreement to COMPLETELY eliminate nuclear weapons all together? And that it only foundered due to Reagan's insistence not to give up his Star Wars initiative?

Typical Right Winger! :-)

Donald Trump has been denigrating President Obama and everything he has done for many years now, at every opportunity and this has continued into the Trump administration, on US soil and abroad.

President Trump wishes to move on from the Russian meddling into the 2016 election. Why can't he leave the constant denigration of Obama behind, too? I mean, he's acting in every way he can to undo much of what Obama has done. Isn't that enough?

Reagan was a lousy president. Just about everything he got credit for was someone else's doing

Yes, that IS what the Left Wing says... :D

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/07/15/article-4675262-421E606400000578-252_636x475.jpg

Proof POSITIVE that President Trump colluded with the Russians!!!!!

Yea.. The Democrat Party *IS* a joke...

Of course, defeating the Soviet Union doesn't enter into your thoughts at all, right??

Typical Left Winger... :^/

And what does that make YOUR candidate who got totally DEVASTATED by that "joke"???

A BIGGER joke, eh?? :D

What a bunch of clowns.

Cite???

Apparently, it's the one who uses the ad hominem fallacy...

But *ONLY* if that person is NOT a Democrat Party zealot...

I am trying to abide by ya'all's rules, but it's confusing sometimes..

no, just an ad hominem fallacy. the bigus dorkus is all you ;p

JL

The whole 45 regime is a joke. Just digest this for a second because it is quite amazing. The guy who bragged about his business and in particular his hospitality expertise didn't book a hotel for the Hamburg G20 trip!.

Yup, they fired up Air Force One and forgot they needed somewhere to sleep in Hamburg.

What a bunch of clowns.

The whole PARTY is a joke right now..

THAT's what you don't get...

I've been holding back on my thoughts on the economy, because one swallow does not make a spring, however since Michale has opened the door, there are some dark clouds gathering.

TRUMP IS TOAST prediction #6,189 :D

I've been holding back on my thoughts on the economy, because one swallow does not make a spring, however since Michale has opened the door, there are some dark clouds gathering.

I'm hoping they are blown away by strong growth in the second half of the year, however GDP growth has been very anemic, auto sales have dropped off significantly, job growth has been weak (hence the low expected number of 179,000 - just to stand still we need to create over 200,000 jobs per month).

The dollar has leveled out wrt to the basket of major currencies, and you can almost taste the desperation from the Fed to raise interest rates quickly and reload their monetary weapons before the next downturn.

45 isn't talking about Q1 performance of course (probably because it isn't mentioned on Fox News and he is blissfully ignorant), but GDP growth dropped to 1.4%. Everybody started muttering about "weather" and other excuses, and predicted a surge in Q2. Well for those of us who follow GDPNow, etc. the Q2 predictions have petered out as Q2 progressed.

Just as one swallow does not make a summer, one raven does not make a Shakespearean tragedy (it is usually three ;). But the number of raven sightings is outpacing the "swallows".

Just a final note on the June estimate - 179,000 is a very low bar based on weakness concerns in H1 - the number for June 2016 was 261,000 (thanks Obama!).

"Fair enough... It's gonna be like the Reagan years around here!! :D"

You mean with a deficit ballooning out of control and passing the largest tax increase in history during his second term? Because THOSE WERE both Ronald Reagan's actions and legacy. That's historical FACT.

The "Better Deal" tagline works well. Add three simple bullet points:

- Government that works for all Americans
- When America gets richer, regular Americans should get their fair share
- Healthcare is a right, not a luxury

Seems simple enough.

DEMOCRATS 2018
We Win Moral Victories, Not Elections

That about sums things up perfectly!! :D

For which part??? :D

That you had any growth at all throughout most of his presidency is a great testament to the competency of the Obama administration.

That growth happened IN SPITE of Obama's actions..

Not DUE to Obama's actions...

From over-regulating the gas and coal industries to forcing small businesses to forget their religious rights and adhere to arbitrary Identity Politics, the Obama administration was CLEARLY anti-business...

Let's see where the numbers are for Trump after eight years, alright?

Fair enough... It's gonna be like the Reagan years around here!! :D

Let's see where the numbers are for Trump after eight years, alright?

That's not the tale the numbers tell.

That's EXACTLY the tale the numbers tell..

Obama is the ONLY POTUS in US History to have less than 3% growth his ENTIRE presidency...

That's spin..

If Obama was referring to the roads and bridges as he said, he would have said, "You didn't build THEM"...

But he was referring to the business that was built, which is why he said "THAT"...

Regardless of that, it is simply inarguable that Obama and his administration was NOT "business friendly"...

President Trump *IS* business friendly and THAT's why the economy is doing so much better under President Trump than it could EVER do under Obama or a (thank the gods it didn't happen) NOT-45 Administration...

That's not the tale the numbers tell.

That's EXACTLY the tale the numbers tell.. Obama is the ONLY POTUS in US History to have less than 3% growth his ENTIRE presidency...

Obama's orgy of regulation held this economy back for 8 long years...

That's not the tale the numbers tell.

Remember Obama's YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT BUSINESS bullcarp???

Well, that's not quite what he said but, his "you didn't build that" (referring to all of the infrastructure and education that allows business to thrive) was a seriously inelegant phrase that left him open to all kinds of criticism ... criticism which he failed utterly to silence.

We'll just have to agree to disagree...

Obama's orgy of regulation held this economy back for 8 long years...

It's only since President Trump was elected and started getting rid of Obama's job killer regs has businesses in the US feel good about themselves again..

Remember Obama's YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT BUSINESS bullcarp???

You and President Trump have a few people to thank for the continued job growth but Secretary Geithner and President Obama top that list.

Let's give some credit where credit is due!

President Trump...

Making America Great Again

Eat yer heart out, Odumbo!!! :D

Given the context of that discussion, your "hypersensitive" characterization also seems like an insincere effort to justify the dismissal of an anti-establishment viewpoint without engaging on the specifics.

I'm afraid you have the context all wrong. I would never justify the dismissal of an anti-establishment viewpoint or even an anti-Enlightenment viewpoint without fully engaging on the specifics. That's how I roll, in fact.

My inquiries as to the sex of the individual ANONYMOUS commenter, such as yourself, have to do solely with their, and your, propensity for taking offense and/or claiming ad hominem attacks, a sure sign in my mind of a response typed out by a girl.

I could be wrong in my assessments, but I don't think it's happened yet. Has it? :)

Hehehehehe

Now THAT was funny....

Ahh yes.. The Left Wingery...

Such a non-violent, tolerant and respectful lot.. :^/

And finally, the worst stinker of the lot. Really? "Have you seen the other guys?" Wow. That's just... wow.

That was NOT-45's entire campaign!!

It worked SO WELL for her..

Why not having the DCCC adopt it! :D

And you need Democrat rank and file to do the exact same thing...

Your elected Democrats follow ya'all's example!!

They will do WHATEVER ya'all let them get away with...

If you want to see who is responsible for the malfeasance of ya'all's elected Democrats...

You need do nothing but look in the mirror..

Think about it...

the more they lie, the more the Dems must defend the truth.

And THEREIN lies the crux of ya'all's problem..

ALL ya'all care about is "truth"... But truth is subjective and can depend on a variety of factors... As long as ya'all demand ONLY "truth", you will only GET the "truth".. Or at least, your elected Democrats version of it..

What ya'all SHOULD demand is FACTS.....

But ya'all won't because you KNOW that your elected Democrats are as far from FACTS as ya'all accuse the GOP of being...

Once again, to see the problem, you need do nothing but look in a mirror..

Because yer elected Democrats are simply a reflection of YOUR beliefs and YOUR attitudes..

It couldn't be any other way...

<I.And that is an ad hominem bigus dorkus attack (I get that right, JL?? :D )that proves you have NO FACTS to support your argument..

Whining for JL's help again proves my point.

It proves the point that you have no point..

Do I need JL's help to show what a lame luser you act like??

"Haaaardly"
-John McClane, DIE HARD III With A Vengeance

I was simply giving JL the opportunity to disavow Partisan Bigotry and come down on you and Balthy for the same things that he comes down on me for..

I was disappointed, but I can understand his position..

If he were to call ya'all on ya'all's many transgressions, he would be spending a LOT more time here in Weigantia and I am certain he has better things to do..

Me?? I don't.. :D One of the joys of retirement.. heh

Anywho... I'll let you go lick your wounds now.. :D

"Never cross brains with Mr Spock. He will cut you to pieces every time.."
-Ensign Hikaru Sulu

I have NEVER stated I was a christian.. I have gone to GREAT lengths to state that I am not a christian or religious in the least...

Cite?

But his religious aspects rubs me the wrong way, as all religious aspects do.. I am as agnostic as they come and I firmly believe that "freedom OF religion" also means "freedom FROM religion"...
chrisweigant.com/2011/08/12/ftp177/#comment-15663

Like being religiously agnostic, I am also politically agnostic.. I am neither beholden nor enslaved by any Party or it's Dogma..
chrisweigant.com/2007/07/31/scandal-fatigue/#comment-320

Do you need more??

Or has yer pee-pee been whacked sufficiently???

:D

Gods, yer so easy, Victoria....

The Dumbocrats don't have a snowball's chance in hell of having anything meaningful to say for at least the next 7.5 years...

Damn, I thought 'she' referred to you know who ... oh, well, same sentiments on my part, essentially.

Yer not alone... I thought the same thing..

Go back and read your comments about me prior to the one I quoted in 17.
I'm guessing you would call it justifiable insincerity though.

19

Given the context of that discussion, your "hypersensitive" characterization also seems like an insincere effort to justify the dismissal of an anti-establishment viewpoint without engaging on the specifics.

Honestly, how would you feel if your well informed views based on facts and critical thinking, about say the Iran nuclear deal, were dismissed as girly?

That said, I'm still not comfortable with the perpetuation of the stereotype.

And the Maher debate seems like a selective use of a human trait that has spanned the ages in both sexes whenever something people feel strongly about is challenged.
I don't know the context he brought it up in, but his whole shtick is based on the concept... as in his hypersensitivity about other peoples hypersensitivity.

A

All but two in Congress supported Trump's act of war and violation of international law in Syria, and the entire corporate media and, if I recall correctly, everybody here who commented except neil bought into the narrative that was trotted out to justify it, despite the source of the information.

Given the recent history, a little more skepticism would be the wise path to take, no matter how y'all feel about Assad.

Now, the preliminary report from the OPCW used the term "sarin like symptoms", thus feeding into that narrative. Not sure if that was a sign of bias, or just unintentional.
The OPCW report on the 2013 sarin attack (which was also used in an attempt to launch a US intervention by blaming Assad without proof) refused to reach any conclusions about who was responsible... and a similar result this time will allow the potentially false narrative to stand.

And, to my knowledge, no actual investigation has been undertaken on the ground at the site of the recent attack.

That said, the point I was hoping to convey was that the tactics discussed in the article are used by some here across a wide variety of topics beyond Syria... usually in defense of the establishment or one of the major parties.

A

If Democrats go too hard left with all the "agenda items," they risk sounding exactly like Trump, making promises they can't possibly ever keep.

Spot on! There has to be a commitment to bringing honesty and integrity back into politics. We, the people, need to be able to trust that the journalists that we get our news from are reporting the facts. We need politicians that are willing to call out their own party when the legislation before them has serious problems. The Democrats need to strive for integrity with as much determination as the GOP is willing to be dishonest -- the more they lie, the more the Dems must defend the truth.

Bill Maher coined the phrase, feminization of America. I chided him for that and said that a more appropriate phrase would be the "hyper-sensitization of America" but, you know what, it's mostly girls who are hypersensitive. I can say that because ... I'm a girl! And, I keep my hypersensitivities pretty close to my chest, most of the time. :)

Doing a little catch-up here.

I wrote
"Way to climb into the gutter."

You responded
"I'm sorry, Al ..."

So, I still don't care what you call me.
You should be apologizing to girls for pigeonholing them like that.
It's a very patriarchal mindset.
:)

A

PS- Of course, I'm assuming you were being sincere.

I wasn't mocking. I think it would be a great slogan, if I do say so myself. :)

It opens up an endless array of possibilities ...

Vote Democrat because we finally get it! We finally get that ... fill in a countless number of blanks!

FDR would be so proud.

I think the team motto in Dodgeball was-
Aim Low!

A

The article provides your answer.
Your question is just as offensive as the tactics addressed therein.

10

What do you say we stop ruling out other possibilities and stop treating dubious claims from pro-war interventionists with a horrible track record as fact?

A

Whatever the Democrats actually do end up offering up, it needs to be "The Real Deal" versus the old populist "bait-and-switch" bullshit and LIES spewing out of the orange blowhole of Benedict Donald a/k/a Don the Con. If Democrats go too hard left with all the "agenda items," they risk sounding exactly like Trump, making promises they can't possibly ever keep. There's a fine line to walk somewhere between reality and reality TV star cult of personality bullshit fabricating con artist.

I sure hope someone at the DCCC is reading your column, because it is spot on.

Like the support for the A Better Deal suggestion from unnamed sources, all the criticism is valid... and indeed generous.

I can't believe they would hold a contest to pick among such stinkers rather than having an open contest for good sticker suggestions. Were they afraid mocking ideas like you and Liz offered would dominate? Or are they living in such a bubble that top down dictation is all they can fathom rather than welcoming grass roots input?

I'd also call it an unintentional replay of the 2016 election... which a wise man suggested was a choice between cholera and gonorrhea.

Anyway, I am justifiably hesitant about the suggestion that A Better Deal can be chosen, and the details worked out later. Those details should have been worked out already (Chuck Schumer was duly mocked in a recent link I posted for claiming he's been working on an economic plan for "months" and it will be ready next month).

But my main concern is that the plan is for bold and effective policy changes that will actually motivate voters... rather than watered down, focus group tested, donor approved platitudes... and that the Democrats running on A Better Deal are sufficiently credible as champions of that plan.

You would think that Dems could at least reaffirm their support for the list you gave for the New Deal... and it's sad that it's even necessary.

But seriously, choosing the A better Deal slogan and then trusting that Dems can and will fill in the details with skill and effectiveness would be a huge leap of faith for many. I don't know how you maintain such optimism CW.

Here are my suggestions in the spirit of this column-

My other car is a limousine!!!

I still think they're deplorable!

We bomb other countries too!

Wall Street Rules!

We'll bring back the TPP!

Romneycare is as far as we'll go!

It'll never happen!

Everything is still great!

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What do you say we wait for the report to be issued by the United Nations and Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, due out by October.

Since the tactics laid out and debunked in this article rear their ugly head here so often, I am offering a link to this article before I comment on the new, and excellent column.

An Army of Smear Artists is Working Overtime to Undermine Sy Hersh's Syria Bombshell

http://www.alternet.org/world/undermining-sy-hershs-syria-bombshell

There are a couple of folks here who owe it to themselves and others to read this short article, and hopefully learn a thing or two... and I'm not talking about Syria.

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VOTE DEMOCRAT BECAUSE WE FINALLY GET IT

Then Democrats can take turns explaining the many things 'it' refers to and what they're going to do about it.

A better today by creating a worse tomorrow!

Indeed. It confused and lost me, at least. :)

And, that's the best thing about the second option. Heh.