Yes... :D

uh, michale? does this variety of word salad happen every time someone provides facts that prove your statements completely inaccurate, or is it reserved only for friends?

JL

You stole from my kin!

~o' brother where art thou

founded and funded by the koch brothers.

Ad Absurdum Connecticium

And The John McCain Institute is funded by uber-Dumbocrats Soros and Teneo..

I don't care who runs your Green Hornet institute

It's "statistics" are biased and one sided and meant to push an agenda that is counter to American values....

How does one "obstruct" a fraudulent investigation brought SOLELY and COMPLETELY for political purposes?

Answer. You can't...

There is not obstruction of an investigation of a crime because there was no crime...

There was no Obstruction Of Justice, because there was no justice.... There was only political bigotry, hatred and hysteria...

Things are so bad that I’m going to have to give Trump the last word. On June 15 he tweeted, “They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story.” Unless there is some new revelation, that may turn out to be pretty accurate commentary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/opinion/russia-investigation-trump.html?ref=opinion

From the NY GRIME, of all places! :D

But give credit where credit is due..

“They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story.” Unless there is some new revelation, that may turn out to be pretty accurate commentary.

That sums up this whole sad affair perfectly....

Gee, I wonder why!?? :D heh

Son, you ain't OFFERING a debate..

All you have is childish name-calling and immature personal attacks..

This is just like the time you claimed I don't wager "properly" and then promptly ran away crying when I told you to set the wager...

Trumplings bashing the wrong theatre companies.

Really!!! Trump supporters did THAT!!???

Better get your rifle and start shooting them!!!

THAT is what Demcorats think is "proper"..... :^/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40332236

Trumplings bashing the wrong theatre companies.

A

Personal details of nearly 200 million US citizens exposed

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40331215

Violating privacy for profit.

A

You can't even keep your lies straight.
First I'm a communist, now an anarchist?
It takes a herpetologist to keep up.

And standing ain't playing wallflower.
You're still dodging the debate.

A

Happy Juneteenth!
152 years, and still fighting.

A

And living in a fantasy anarchist world where Iran is the good guy is your shtick.. :D

Keep running.

Still here.. Still standing.. :D

Projection, denial, and wimping out on engagement is your shtick.

Keep running.

A

"they don't see them as pertaining to them, or "issues" are beyond their level of political engagement."

And comprehension... particularly with the unintentional irony.

I have no doubt you are correct about many voters though. It's too bad that Ossoff is an establishmentarian corporatist. If he actually represented the left, the charges would only be false instead of being ridiculous and false.

A

You can't win.. I have god on my side!!!
-Leland Gant, NEEDFUL THINGS

:D

Yer just smelling your own bullshit and calling it victory.... :D

Your projection smells like victory.

Still running away too I see.

A

Republican: Congressional shooting will win us Georgia election http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40331765

There's always voters who don't vote around issues, because either they don't see them as pertaining to them, or "issues" are beyond their level of political engagement.

Many of those do vote against demons. With omnipresent Demon Hillary slain, this shooting personifies the Hydra Demon of the Left, and there's a big election tomorrow. Turnout.

Iddn't it funny how the narrative ALWAYS seems to shift about the time that the original narrative has collapsed under the weight of it's own bullshit??

:D

Of course you [michale] raise a domestic political angle...

Of course he does. There's a palpable sense that now that the president's team has confirmed an investigation (at least in the Schroedinger's Cat sense), the Obstruction trip wire is set as tight as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the narrative shift slightly toward abuse of power. That's closer to one of the administration's major offenses, seen through the lens of an extensive and enabled administrative state.

aaawwwwwww That's sweet of you.. Really..

Thank you...

"I'm fatter... er FLATTERED..."
-Eddie Murphy, THE NUTTY PROFESSOR

:D

And yet, here I am, exposing you for the whining lying cry baby you are..

Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Shall I call you a WAAAAmbulance?? :D

if i thought you were a lost cause perhaps i'd stop trying.

JL

Oops.
Sorry.
You've officially been labeled part of the red menace for wanting the rule of law to be applied equally in response to my comment.

It wasn't my intent to expose you.

A

"facts"?
Pathetic.

Go ahead.
Try to provide a single citation to support your lies.

And you're still dodging as usual when you can't defend your indefensible crap.

"Run away!!!"

A

A BBC report on the recent events in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40331252

See if you can spot the obvious one-sided slant to several claims being made.

Hint- there is no mention of the ISIS attack in Tehran when "Iran's motivation" is discussed, no legal justifications for the violations of international law, and no mention of the al Qaida affiliation of the "rebels" we are supporting... but there are more.
In other words, typical Western "journalism".

Funny how "trustworthy" sources serve an agenda eh?

A

Or, here's an idea..

Take a hundred illegal immigrants into your home.. Feed them, clothe them, provide for their medical care and pay them wages.. ALL at YOUR OWN expense...

Don't want to do that??? Can't afford to do that???

But!!! But!!!! But!!!! "MOST" of them aren't criminals!!!

Why won't you take care of them!!!

Are you {GASP} a REPUBLICAN!!!???

:D

You can quote all the Left Wing garbage you want to..

But you'll NEVER convince me that illegal immigrants don't commit crimes because I *KNOW* better...

When you are willing to take and eat some skittles, knowing that "most" are not poisoned and won't kill you then, and ONLY then, will you have a logical foundation to stand on...

Until then, yer just pissing in the wind..

And yet... you know the rest.. :D

Ya'all sure spend a LOT of time trying to convince me I don't know anything...

And yet...... :D

ANYONE on the left can be a Hodgkinson...

One would think that THAT would cause the hysterical Left to take a deep breath and really examine their beliefs..

If those beliefs could lead someone like Hodgkinson to do what he did, maybe.... just maybe... there is something wrong with the hysterical Left's beliefs..

An unwillingness to even EXAMINE those beliefs would be a warning sign that one is traveling down Hodgkinson Road....

that's demonstrably false as well. as a point of fact, cato is an expressly conservative institution, founded and funded by the koch brothers. if you'd like me to find a left wing source, i'm sure i can oblige that request, but i suspect the results will not be any more to your liking.

Why would I waste my time??

sure, why waste time becoming informed on issues when it's so much easier to engage in lazy argumentation that doesn't require actually knowing anything?

JL

Matter of fact, Hodgkinson is a PERFECT example of the Left Wing [is] in the here and now...

Pro-gun and over 60?

But I am glad you concede that Hodgkinson is the typical Left Winger these days... :D

Okay, Che.... :D

Whatever you have to tell yourself to dodge the facts about yourself.. :D

Republican: Congressional shooting will win us Georgia election

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40331765

"He went on: "Moderates and independents in this district are tired of left-wing extremism. I get that there's extremists on both sides, but we are not seeing them.""

Then he defended Trump.

A

A lie, a straw man and a dodge.

A

Of course you raise a domestic political angle rather than address the illegal bipartisan warmongering against a sovereign nation that risks confrontation that could lead to global nuclear war.

You and Trump and Hillary and the Republicans and Democrats are all on the same side.

A

For some reason, these discussions tend to ignore the more serious criminality of those who create the demand, who knowingly file falsified forms, who reap the majority of the financial benefits, and who do so at the expense of American workers.

You've hit the nail on the head. A few perp walks for some high level CEOs of e.g. Meat Packers and a large portion of the demand for illegal immigrant labor disappears overnight - but this would be the Republicans holding their paymasters to the rule of the law instead of poor and downtrodden people.

It's self serving Left Wing garbage, designed to justify the unjustifiable..

Why would I waste my time??

t's still a real crime, but extenuating circumstances matter.

ONLY when it suits the hysterical Left Wing agenda...

It's hilarious how you whine and cry that I call you names and then turn around and call me names... :D

The difference is I don't whine and cry.. I just laugh my ass off...

:D

this comment is evidence you did not read the cato institute research. it IS supported by facts collected by the researchers, and is NOT a survey of the undocumented asking them whether or not they committed crimes. since the products of your own imagination are being substituted for reading the research, it's unsurprising that your conclusions end up being completely wrong.

Yea... It's not a REAL crime when illegal immigrants do it..

it's still a real crime, but extenuating circumstances matter. stealing a loaf of bread to prevent your kids from starving isn't the same as robbing a bank to buy a porsche.

JL

Another straw man argument from the ethically depraved trumpling.

A

"The "rule of law" failed"

Almost every violent criminal creates rationalizations.
Yours is pathetic given the nature of the discussion.
By your "reasoning", every cop that shoots an innocent person, every politician and general who wages illegal war, and every bankster on Wall Street can be justifiably dealt with by vigilantes... not to mention the countless other examples.
Your position is in direct contradiction to the idea of the rule of law, and particularly disturbing for a former LEO who should know better.

Falsely calling me a "commie" in a pathetic attempt to defend your psychopathically criminal support for mass murder and torture probably makes sense to you.
Rather than debate, you simply lie in order to dodge the discussion. At least you are consistently ethically depraved.

A

Pro-gun and over 60?

Hysterically anti-Trump...

Yea... It's not a REAL crime when illegal immigrants do it..

:^/

But... But... But...

Putin and Trump are BFF and Trump is working FOR Russia..

We know it's true because Left Wing MORONS says it's true!!!

{/sarcasm}

Don't ya'all EVER get tired of being wrong???

Pro-gun and over 60?

It may be worth adding that the cases of identity theft by people trying to work are rather different than what most people think of as identity theft... and it is frequently the employers who facilitate the fraud.

For some reason, these discussions tend to ignore the more serious criminality of those who create the demand, who knowingly file falsified forms, who reap the majority of the financial benefits, and who do so at the expense of American workers.

A

Until now.....

The "rule of law" failed...

Ergo, sterner measures are deemed proper by those most aggrieved...

Of course, you also defend war crimes and advocate for torture, so your idea of "proper" violence is inherently psychopathic... so, once again, your narrative remains false and your hypocrisy staggering.

Your opinion is noted, but it's the opinion of a bleeding heart commie, so it doesn't mean much.. :D

That's the claim...

Unsupported by any facts..

Do you honestly believe that illegals will say anything BUT, "Oh yea.. I never committed ANY crimes!!!"

factcheck.org

Left Wing rag...

Yea, ad hominem fallacy.. Doesn't change the fact that FactCheck's Left Wing bias is well documented..

hysterical partisans trying to bring down their opponents is where we've been as a country for the past thirty plus years.

Yea, but the Left's never escalated it to a shooting war...

the main difference between past presidents and the current president is that he's really going out of his way to help his opponents try to bring him down.

That's an opinion...

No, actually, "properly" in your discussion with neil revolves around the rule of law, and you were advocating murder in an act of vigilantism... blatant criminality.

Of course, you also defend war crimes and advocate for torture, so your idea of "proper" violence is inherently psychopathic... so, once again, your narrative remains false and your hypocrisy staggering.

A

that is incorrect. read the research i provided. between 83% and 93% of those unlawfully present have done nothing else illegal.

Or.. More accurately, you don't WANT to believe what the data is showing you conclusively...

also incorrect. factcheck.org did a fairly exhaustive review of the studies on both sides of the issue, and found that nothing conclusive exists. correlation data actually connects stronger regulation with fewer gun deaths, while right wing generalizations based on outliers like chicago don't stand up to scrutiny. there's no causal relationship established.

But if the Left wasn't hysterical about bringing Trump down, it would not have seized on ridiculous accusation..

hysterical partisans trying to bring down their opponents is where we've been as a country for the past thirty plus years. the main difference between past presidents and the current president is that he's really going out of his way to help his opponents try to bring him down.

JL

Then the Left should start ACTING like it... Instead of cowardly shooting unarmed Americans, *SOLELY* because they are Republicans...

How do you like your Left Wing now???

As opposed to ya'all's nothingburger of Russia collusion, eh???

[169-170] it's an extreme scenario,

No more "extreme" than Neil's scenarios.. :D

but your response would still be manslaughter.

Maybe.. Maybe not...

But it would be proper...

t doesn't require identity theft for an illegal to pay and file taxes. the IRS gives tax identification numbers to anybody who doesn't have a SSN - they don't check immigration status. you have established two nominally valid categories, but made an incorrect blanket assumption about which category fits most individuals who are unlawfully present in the US. as i provided above, cato research

And if illegals availed themselves of that, you would have a point..

But since "most" illegals just use someone else's SSN, it's identity theft..

AND a crime...

[171] the data are inconclusive on the effectiveness of stronger regulation in preventing gun crimes. i guess what many here don't understand is that showing all those gruesome photos will galvanize righties to be EVEN MORE committed to arming as much as possible of the law-abiding population. they genuinely believe that more weapons will keep the public safer. to me that doesn't make much sense, but objectively i must acknowledge that the data so far are inconclusive.

Or.. More accurately, you don't WANT to believe what the data is showing you conclusively...

[172-177] what a load of moose poop. donald's wounds are mostly self-inflicted; blaming them all on wild-eyed lefties in the bowels of government or on late-night television is just plain inaccurate. even donald's most fervent supporters (including mccarthy who you referenced a couple days back) acknowledge that he and his own chosen staff have contributed significantly to his own problems.

I'll acknowledge that President Trump has contributed to his problems..

But if the Left wasn't hysterical about bringing Trump down, it would not have seized on ridiculous accusation..

Cofevve??? Really???

No, we have the military to kill traitors, and the police to lock away any survivors. Your team tried that in the 1860's and just haven't accepted that you live in the United States of America.

Yee Haw! An armed rebellion! Why, makes you wanna run downstairs and clean out the ol' shotgun, just in case one of them liberturds comes looking to take it away with their black helicopters!

Nothin' like sprinking a bit of fantasy treason on your breakfast to wake you up, eh?

Great way to distract from the giant nothingburger being produced by the party in control of all three branches of government.

[169-170] it's an extreme scenario, but your response would still be manslaughter.

it doesn't require identity theft for an illegal to pay and file taxes. the IRS gives tax identification numbers to anybody who doesn't have a SSN - they don't check immigration status. you have established two nominally valid categories, but made an incorrect blanket assumption about which category fits most individuals who are unlawfully present in the US. as i provided above, cato research

[171] the data are inconclusive on the effectiveness of stronger regulation in preventing gun crimes. i guess what many here don't understand is that showing all those gruesome photos will galvanize righties to be EVEN MORE committed to arming as much as possible of the law-abiding population. they genuinely believe that more weapons will keep the public safer. to me that doesn't make much sense, but objectively i must acknowledge that the data so far are inconclusive.

[172-177] what a load of moose poop. donald's wounds are mostly self-inflicted; blaming them all on wild-eyed lefties in the bowels of government or on late-night television is just plain inaccurate. even donald's most fervent supporters (including mccarthy who you referenced a couple days back) acknowledge that he and his own chosen staff have contributed significantly to his own problems.

Oh, come and see the violence inherent in this system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
~monty python and the holy grail

If I had said that, you would have a valid point...

But I didn't, so you don't...

It's really that simple...

So if a kid is brought as a baby to the U.S. and is not 15 years old and has no idea that s/he is illegal so doesn't make "a sincere effort to get legal", out they go, but a mass murderer who is in the INS process gets to stay.

Thanks for clarifying that Michale.

The only way that the Resistance can be halted is to insist that its efforts remain lawful. If they are not, perpetrators must be held accountable.

https://amgreatness.com/2017/06/19/trumps-way-progressive-labyrinth/

Yes!! Yes!! A thousand times, yes!!!

When you end the rule of law, the rule of power replaces it...

And in the rule of power, the group with the most guns rule...

Even if you ignore all the 2nd Amendmentors out there, the military and the police are decidedly pro-President Trump...

Does the Left *REALLY* want to take on three VERY LARGE groups of well-armed and well-trained Americans??

United States circa 2020, courtesy of today's Democrat Party

The entirety of the hysterical Wingery should have that tattooed on themselves where they can read it every day...

If the Left overturns a free, fair, legitimate and legal election, there will be hell to pay...

Ya'all can take that to the bank...

Word x10

But their problem is that impeachment is a purely political act – this isn’t going to get tried before some leftist DC judge and a 96% Democrat DC jury. No, they have to convince the Republican members of the House of Representatives to impeach and, well, have you taken a look at a political map of the US lately? It’s as red as a baseball field full of conservatives after a Bernie Bro shows up with a rifle.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/06/19/if-the-left-wins-their-soft-coup-everyone-losesbut-mostly-them-n2342884

Word.......

So, basically ya'all want to traumatize an innocent family and victimize them all over again, just to further the Left's anti-gun agenda...

:^/

Let me lay it out for ya'all succinctly...

Any anti-gun law that CAN pass under the auspices of the 2nd Amendment HAS been passed...

No anti-gun laws proposed by the hysterical Left Wingery short of a complete BAN would not have had ANY effect on any of the crowd-based mass shootings of the last 20 years...

Even if ya'all COULD achieve a complete ban there is plenty of evidence that overly restrictive gun laws do NOT work... Chicago has proven that beyond ANY doubt...

Since I know ya'all just BOW down to and revere statistics, statistics prove that in crowd-based mass shootings were a potential victim is armed, the death count is considerably lower than a completely unarmed crowd..

This is fact...

Repeal the 2nd Amendment.. THEN you can have your gun ban..

Once again, it's that simple...

To answer your scenarios in absolute terms..

If an illegal immigrant hasn't committed any crimes and has made a sincere effort to get legal, then he or she should be allowed to stay to continue those efforts..

If an illegal immigrant hasn't made any effort to get legal and is continuing to violate the law by staying in the US illegally, then they should be deported..

It's really that simple...

"Properly" is subjective in the extreme

Given Neil's ridiculous fantasy scenario, my application of violence was extremely proper, especially since the murders that Neil's scumbag committed was my entire family...

Illegals committing the crime of paying taxes for benefits they can't collect.

No, illegals using identity theft to get the jobs in the first place...

Jones probably started with some slightly out there conspiracies (a secret cabal who rule the World and meet at Hotels and Campgrounds on an annual basis, with child sacrifices mixed in with other nefarious activities). Once he realized he could get a bunch of suckers to pay him, he probably just went off the deep end, probably surprised himself that he could get people to believe just about anything.

"Them" is a good book if you haven't read it. I'm a bit of a Ronson fan (he is the "Men Staring at Goats" guy).

Jones claimed he is a "performance artist" in his divorce when his show was brought up regarding his abilities as a parent. Limbaugh regularly hides behind "it was a joke, can't you tell" to get himself off the hook.

If these people really are just saying things to get an audience to sell to they are below pond scum. And if they actually believe it, they need to see a man in a white coat and a secure padded cell for a while ... say a couple of decades.

Alex Jones, for instance, who can't seem to discern the difference. I'm sure holocaust deniers would be more numerous too, if it weren't for all that pesky documentary evidence.

45 importing Russian lawyers to help his defense ;)

I think we need to see the shattered bodies of the victims. I understand the need to protect the identity and privacy of the families, but if there had been crime scene pictures from Sandy Hook that showed the real impact of bullets on small bodies perhaps people who think gun ownership is like a Hollywood movie might grow up.

Wow, the right wing have a bad case of squeaky bum time over Mueller.

Can I just remind them that Mueller is a Republican, and was appointed by a Republican Asst AG in a Republican administration.

Bloody hilarious.

It's exactly the time. It's the precise moment, while attention is on the topic, and while the drama is unfolding. This entire episode should be seared into the cores of every guns-without-limits supporter in America. And every one of them should have to say to themselves one of two things: my unrestricted access to guns IS more important than the lives of innocent people, even those of people who agree with me, OR my unrestricted access to guns is NOT more important than the lives of innocent people. The former should have to make the choice consciously, in full knowledge of the price their beliefs forces on others. The latter should join other gun-owners who favor reasonable restrictions, background checking, statistics gathering and all the rest.

On a personal level I'm writing comments he'll never see. I'm not going to his hospital room or calling up his wife. I'm not hassling him on Twitter. I'm just not willing to canonize the guy for getting shot, when he's spent his public life encouraging people to arm up, and persuading them to think any reasonable checks on gun ownership, etc., is unacceptable.

The terrible experience he is undergoing is one many Americans have shared. He has power they don't to do something about it. Maybe he will in the future, which would certainly be a redemption.

There you go being a killjoy again :)

I thought that choice of terminology was rather apt for the discussion... though disturbing given the context.

A

"There is nothing wrong with properly applied violence..."

Your examples above don't amount to "properly applied violence" or comport with the rule of law, and more broadly you support extreme violence up to and including war crimes.

That may have something to do with the ineffectiveness of the right wing narrative about dangerous lefties... though the Shakespeare and bad comedians examples certainly don't help.

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I was referring to the Americans and corporations who hire illegals as housekeepers, meat packers, construction workers, farm workers, etc. and pay by check, not cash.

I'm guessing you wanted me to be referring to something else.

156

Ah yes.
Illegals committing the crime of paying taxes for benefits they can't collect. How dare they!

A

Or just like Democrats who claim "love" and "peace" and "tolerance" for decades then turn around and start gunning down Republicans and making #HuntRepublicans hashtags...

"Touche'" ;^)

I know you won't concede it, so allow me to help ya out... :D

If we were talking about "random murder" you would have a point.. But we're not, so you don't..

It is like Fox News, who have been spewing hatred for decades, suddenly condemning media that spews opposite hatred.

Or just like Democrats who claim "love" and "peace" and "tolerance" for decades then turn around and start gunning down Republicans and making #HuntRepublicans hashtags...

Just another bunch of dumb fucks we have to live with I suppose. I wich they'd all deport themselves.

I COMPLETELY agree... :D

And WHY can't they collect these earned benefits??

Because they committed the crime to earn those benefits...

Good point - looks like random murder is OK, and even fun, if it is somebody Michale doesn't like.

It is like Fox News, who have been spewing hatred for decades, suddenly condemning media that spews opposite hatred.

Just another bunch of dumb fucks we have to live with I suppose. I wich they'd all deport themselves.

There is nothing wrong with properly applied violence...

The problem is that Democrats want to apply violence to Republicans *SOLELY* based on political disagreements.

I understand that ..er... "MOST"... of the Left doesn't see this as a "problem", but rather as a solution...

THAT is the problem..

That's what *I* am trying to determine..

Is Joshua talking about 7.7 million 1 month old babies??

Is it just me, or was all that talk about killing people coming from someone trying to spin a narrative about violence from the other side of the aisle a little weird?

nypoet
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I'm not sure if that is true or not.
We know many illegals work in cash businesses, but I'm not sure if "most" is accurate.
Do you have a source to share?

We know that illegals contribute billions to Social Security and Medicare every year because of deductions from their paychecks... earned benefits they can never collect... so, obviously many are not being paid in cash... but I've never seen a breakout by percentage.

A

Can a one month old baby commit a crime?

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-reform-bulletin/criminal-immigrants-their-numbers-demographics-countries#full

My inference is based on the FACT that the group is classified as ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...

Therefore the INFERENCE that the 11 million *HAVE* committed a crime is strong...

A *LOT* stronger then your claim that "most" have committed no crime...

your inference is garbage and you know it. here's the data:

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-myths-crime-number-illegal-immigrants

JL

Further, I am simply asking you to PROVE your statement that MOST of the 11 million illegals have committed no crime...

You already do...

I am simply following yer lead...

But in MY case, the inference is a LOT stronger than anything you have... :D

Of course not...

Naturalization Through Military Service: Fact Sheet
Special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorize U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to expedite the application and naturalization process for current members of the U.S. armed forces and veterans. Generally, qualifying military service includes service with one of the following: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and National Guard. In addition, spouses of members of the U.S. armed forces who are or will be deployed may be eligible for expedited naturalization. Other provisions of the law also allow certain spouses to complete the naturalization process abroad.
https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/naturalization-through-military-service-fact-sheet

so we're back to "guilty until proven innocent?" if you're going to apply it to 11 million undocumented, i get to apply it to the trump administration.

JL

And THAT is also a great comfort to those who have lost friends and family to smoking...

My point is that there are more considerations then simple statistics..

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
-Mark Twain

for every kathleen steinle there are five srinivas kuchibhotlas. who protects the legal immigrants who are victims of anti-immigrant fervor stirred up by fallacies such as generalizing the kathleen steinle anecdote?

And the relevance to our discussion is....??? What exactly??