Railing against it does no good...

With someone with a -R after their name, it's FULLY AND COMPLETELY GUILTY SOLELY BASED ON RUMOR, INNUENDO AND INFERENCE....

Kinda sucks...

My beef is that it's not consistent.. Especially considering the NOT-45 prosecutions...

eli lake's article treats the flynn situation as a zero sum game. if someone in the media or in late night comedy takes the facts we currently have to their most extreme possible conclusion, the only available alternative is to vociferously condemn the messenger and treat the alleged perpetrator as if he were the victim?

there's already substantial evidence that flynn committed numerous violations. were they intentional? did they compromise national security? that part we don't know yet. flynn has invoked his fifth amendment rights and resisted congressional requests for documentation of his alleged crimes. that's his prerogative and his right. however, innocent until proven guilty is for a court of law, not public opinion.

JL

Maybe Flynn committed treason. But so far no one has presented any evidence, just innuendo. That's not justice.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-26/trump-s-allies-convicted-of-high-crimes-without-a-trial

Once upon a time, there were respectful and respected Weigantians who wouldn't stoop to this kind of bullshit...

Apparently, they are no extinct... :^(

You (and most everyone else here) are always defending the "integrity" of the New York Times..

How do you feel about the Grime posting secret information on the bombing in Manchester that put lives at risk??

There was absolutely NO NEWS VALUE in that information, it didn't help the public understand the issue or prepare for anything.. It's SOLE purpose was to embarrass the President and the fact that it put innocent lives at risk didn't matter a bit..

Somehow, I don't think you can use the word "integrity" in the same sentence as the NY Grime....

Why is it, when there is all this alleged evidence and all these alleged FACTS that "proves" President Trump colluded with the Russians...

Why is it that NO ONE... let me repeat that for the cheap seats... **NO ONE** is willing to go on the record with all these leaks and accusations??

Ya'all know it, yer just afraid to concede the facts...

Look for a HUGE downturn of support for the leakers and the Democrats who enable them..

The American people won't stand for it...

As usual, the Dumbocrats overplayed their hand...

Neil, remember how you were looking forward to Comey's testimony last Monday??

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/25/robert-mueller-emerging-gatekeeper-all-russia-probes-and-congress-wary/102143246/

Here's why it didn't happen..

And there isn't going to be much in the way of relevant public testimony until Mueller is done..

Pretty smart of President Trump to allow a loyal Republican to be appointed as SP.... :D

Video of the April 15 assault exploded on right-wing websites in the days following the clash as scores of cybersleuths began identifying Eric Clanton as the masked man seen bashing a Trump backer in the head, causing serious bleeding.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Former-professor-arrested-in-beating-at-Berkeley-11174575.php

Of course, you will want to condemn this scumbag Left Winger, right???

I won't hold my breath...

I am just going by what YA'ALL say about Fox News people.

But, how bout that.. Yer lousy Dem *STILL* lost...

So much for ya'all's claim of a BIG DEM WAVE, eh?? :D

But, y'know, GOP toadies always accept the word of the billionaire over the working man.

Well, we can discount the Fox News employees because, as ya'all claim, they ALWAYS lie..

So, we have the alleged victim and the alleged perpetrator...

They are telling two completely different stories..

I know who YOU believe.. Solely based on political bigotry....

And will you shut up til Mueller releases his report??

sheeyaa right....

...and then he threw the reporter to the floor. Not that substantially different.

Except that his version STILL conflicts with that of FOUR other people in the room - three Fox employees, and the Guardian reporter.

Brennan was testifying to what he knew before the inauguration. He didn't forget what he had seen prior to turning it over to Congress, and we certainly didn't apparently hear a lot of classified information. Feinstein has her opinion, and she's entitled to it.

Mueller's the one who'll ultimately call balls and strikes.

Which ya'all swore by when she said what ya'all wanted to hear... :D

Details aside, the fact that Gianforte slammed the reporter to the ground is undisputed,

No, it IS disputed...

According to Gianforte, the incident is completely different..

And the one eyewitness changed her story...

And now the story changes..

Ya see?? The difference between what ya'all WANT to believe and the facts...

Senator Feinstein did..

And I could prove that to you if I thought for a micro-second you would actually concede the point...

Yes, once Brennan turned over the info to the FBI, he had no knowledge of what was going on..

Senator Feinstein did..

Now as far as this forum's conversation goes, newspaper stories are fair game. You've posted a few yourself, so I'm sure you agree.

Yes I have.. And the vast majority were filled with FACTS and on the record statements from REAL people...

Ya'all have yet to find me ANY facts on your Trump accusations...

Sissi’s use of the word “impossible” was understandable. The optics in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where Trump gave his principal address, might have seemed implausible even a few weeks ago. But it happened: The rulers of 50 Arab nations gathered in one place to applaud an American President’s exhortations against Islamist “extremism.”

And then there is the reality of the Trump administration....

Besides, no one's suggesting that investigations into Trump's dozen or so scandals (so far) should be based on newspaper stories. Indeed, if the WH truly wants to get this behind them, they should be completely forthcoming with real documents, be they transcripts, tapes, or bank deposit slips.

Now as far as this forum's conversation goes, newspaper stories are fair game. You've posted a few yourself, so I'm sure you agree.

But let's talk about Dem Senator Dianne Feinstein..

Just as recently as last Thursday DiFi, who has access to a multitude of information that Brennan does not, has confirmed that there is "Well, evidence that would establish that there's collusion. There are all kinds of rumors around. There are newspaper stories, but that's not necessarily evidence."

Do you understand that?

Newspaper stories *ARE NOT EVIDENCE*... So says Dem Senator DiFi...

Now I don't listen to DiFi as a matter of course.

But YA'ALL do... At least when she says something ya'all want to hear...

So, let's put it to rest..

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.. THERE IS NO FACTS to support ya'all's hysteria...

Then they are nothing but bullshit....

But I do sympathize. I mean we tried to warn you that Trump would bring more drama than a Shakespeare Festival. Trump voters invoked the whirlwind, so it's no time to complain about loosing your hats.

The problem is you and hystericals LIKE you are creating the very problems you "warned" us about..

You are fulfilling your own prophecy..

Leaks rarely come with footnotes, documentation, and annotation. But a large number of these leaks have been verified to be true, by none other than the Big Tomato.

But I do sympathize. I mean we tried to warn you that Trump would bring more drama than a Shakespeare Festival. Trump voters invoked the whirlwind, so it's no time to complain about loosing your hats.

To someone like you, I do..

To someone like THEY, I speak like YOU do..

It also walks like a duck.

But has NO FACTUAL substantiation..

That's the part you always ignore...

But you can and do speak like 'they' do.
It quacks like a duck.

Oh those?? Those weren't leaks..

It also walks like a duck.

That IS funny!

But oh so factually accurate.. :D

Hell, might as well call Romney an outsider. Makes as much sense.

I thought we were talking abut me, not 'they'..

I can't and won't speak for 'they'...

In the White House? In the National Security Council?

In private meetings?

Oh those??

Those weren't leaks..

Those were just out and out bullshit with no facts or substantiation...

In the White House? In the National Security Council?

In private meetings?

Good try.

It seems every Trumper claims non-partisan status. Part of hating everyone, I suppose.

But they hire Republicans.
They vote for Republican bills.
They spew Republican talking points.
They party like it's 1959.
They claim to be anti-establishment, but put Wall Street and Priebus and Ryan in charge.

Hell, might as well call Romney an outsider. Makes as much sense.

That IS funny!

Yes, I missed that. Probably because it was surrounded by non-factual assertions.

Says the queen of non-factual assertions.. :D

Still, I will acknowledge you made this statement and will remember it for future reference.

Danke.. that is very nice of you. I mean that...

We don't know because they are too cowardly to go on the record..

But there are PLENTY of Odumbo hold-overs and my money is on them..

Yes, I missed that. Probably because it was surrounded by non-factual assertions.

Still, I will acknowledge you made this statement and will remember it for future reference.

They were all hired by Trump?

Which, ironically enough, coming from ya'all doesn't surprise me a damn bit...

My NPA status is well-documented and well-acknowledged...

No, you are ignoring the point..

You are ignoring the FACT that all the leaks and leakers have ONE thing in common.

They want to bring down Trump..

And now it's going to cost innocent lives..

Not that any of ya'all (NEN) care about that... As long as Trump is hurt, ya'all don't care about innocent lives..

Hah. Right.

Trump needs to mend his own roof. The democrats have NOTHING to do with this.

The funny thing is, I condemned it without any prompting.

Ya'all (NEN) won't even condemn Left Wingery violence WITH prompting..

That's one of the biggest differences between me and the majority of ya'all..

Dem/GOP doesn't matter to me in the least..

Wrong is wrong, regardless of Party...

Do you condemn Gianforte's attack on the reporter?

Uh... I already did....

:D

Michale; So here we have yet another test of your principles and regard for democracy. A billionaire Republican candidate, according the 3 witnesses, grabbed a reporter by the throat, slammed him down to the ground and punched him in the face. This in response to questions about the GOP healthcare bill.

Do you condemn this? So far you simply asserted everyone here would applaud such behavior if the candidate was a Democrat, which is a weak-ass dodge. You like to postulate hypotheticals about something you claim others would do, as a way of avoiding judgment about something someone actually did.

Do you condemn Gianforte's attack on the reporter?

In their zeal to bring down President Trump, they put innocent lives at risk...

Americans will turn against the Democrats and leakers now..

Well, the majority of Americans will.. The leakers will still have plenty of support here in Weigantia no matter how many innocents are killed.. :^/

He was the CIA chief. Ahem.

May is angry at the leaks, as it President Trump

That's putting the best possible spin on it. You seem to keep forgetting that the Dems aren't in charge anymore. This is your team fucking up, cowboy.

If ya'all (NEN) had the choice between getting leaks that hurt Trump, but also cause the deaths of innocent people, ya'all (NEN) would still opt for the leaks..

That is how low ya'all (NEN) have sunk and how sad ya'all (NEN) have become....

Oh.. So when he said just a few months ago that there was nothing there at all, he was lying???

[98] Ahem. Did you read the article? May is angry at the Trump Administration for leaking like a rusty pail.

May is angry at the leaks, as it President Trump..

Ya'all LOVE the leaks, even though it puts innocent lives at risk..

THAT is as scumbaggy as it gets....

M[78] NOW that Brennan says what you want to hear, NOW his testimony is gospel

This testimony is under oath. And he confirms: plenty to investigate, there.

Great job, Dumbocrats..

Because of ya'all's illegal activities, this country is less safe...

But the Left Whinery doesn't care about the safety of the country.. All they care about is bringing down Trump and it doesn't matter to them at all if it costs innocent American lives...

And just a few hours ago I opined that maybe all the rightwing violence approving stuff might just cause some people to do violent things.

And your opinion is based on political bigotry and, as such, is meaningless...

If it had been a Left Winger who had body slammed a Fox News reporter, you would have been cheering that Leftie on and wanting to give him/her a medal..

Don't bother denying it because we both know it's a factual claim..

Irregardless of these facts, such violence has NO place in civilized behavior...

A point none of ya'all make when there is Left Winger violence...

Says the guy who just spent 3 million dollars putting a wall around his new digs...

The blatant hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and sad....

"You can't win.. I've got GOD on my side!!"
-Leland Gant, NEEDFUL THINGS

:D

Don't tell me, let me guess..

You have some "errands" to run so you have to go now, right???

BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

PWNED

So, who am I to believe..

I really don't give two shits about who you believe. Believe CW and quit squealing like a little piglet when someone posts a link to a newspaper or magazine article because you don't the content of the article. :p

Just like you were PWNED just a min ago when you posted anti-Trump bullshit from ANONYMOUS sources vis a vis NATO..

Isn't it funny that those who claim inside knowledge that paints President Trump in a bad light nearly ALWAYS speak ONLY on condition of anonymity??

That right there should your biggest clue..

But, being a Party bigot, you don't care about anything regarding FACTS or reality...

As long as you can spew your bullshit, yer a happy camper.. :D

What part is confusing at all? That's pretty basic stuff unless, of course, you have a reading comprehension problem, which you have proven many times over that you possess.

Not confusing at all..

Hot Lips accused me of posting to rightwing sites, just not posting opposition to her idea of rightwing ideology...

I realize, you having had yer pee pee whacked numerous times in the last few hours, you are flailing around for ANY sort of face-saving bullshit..

But Hot Lip's intent was clear as yours is..

You've been PWNED, Victoria... Face the facts.. :D

Ahhhh But Hot Lips was talking about me POSTING to rightwing outlets...

Ah, I see your problem, it's a reading comprehension one. She actually said exactly the opposite; she was talking about you visiting right-wing sites and NOT posting anything to refute the shit you spew back on this website, which we all know you do.

Paula at [59] said, and I quote:

I'm quite sure you frequent rightwing outlets because you spew their stuff.

And I'm quite sure you do NOT post objections to their stuff.

What part is confusing at all? That's pretty basic stuff unless, of course, you have a reading comprehension problem, which you have proven many times over that you possess.

Then you asked Paula to prove you visited right-wing sites. Seriously... LOL... you asked Paula to prove you visited right-wing sites like there wasn't ample proof contained in the archives. So, you see. She nailed it.

So, can you prove I post comments in ANY rightwing blogs???

Instead of proving Paula was wrong, you just went above and beyond and proved without doubt whatsoever that she was 1000% absolutely dead on balls accurate. Congratulations.

So, you lose Michael... truer words were never spoken... YOU LOSE. You persisted and insisted on proving Paula's point, and that makes you a double loser. :)

If that's not enough proof,

“It’s kind of ridiculous how they are preparing to deal with Trump,” said one source briefed extensively on the meeting’s preparations. “It’s like they’re preparing to deal with a child — someone with a short attention span and mood who has no knowledge of NATO, no interest in in-depth policy issues, nothing,” said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “They’re freaking out.”

Once again, you treat ANONYMOUS hearsay as "proof"...

Whereas the link that *I* posted actually had comments from NAMED people who went ON THE RECORD...

So, who am I to believe..

People who are willing to make statements in the clear and have them documented and attributed??

Or hysterical bigots who are ashamed to have their names associated with their comments..

It's obvious who you back... :^/

I know Bathy doesn't need my help,

Oh, Bathy needs PLENTY of help...

But YOUR kind of help simply proves MY point... :D

Once again.. Yer PWNED......

You didn't care about Brennan's testimony when he claimed under oath that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support the Russia Collusion claim...

When was this testimony under oath? I have seen Brennan testify under oath one time. He never said that.

I know Bathy doesn't need my help, but anyone can DYOFR.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/15/nato-frantically-tries-to-trump-proof-presidents-first-visit-alliance-europe-brussels/

If that's not enough proof, CW wrote something similar in the blog. You should read it sometime and learn to comprehend the written word.

That's the etymology, not the definition..

And, in the case of the TRUMP LEAKS INTELLIGENCE TO RUSSIANS bullshit, the anonymous sources aren't even IN government anymore, so they have no jobs at risk..

Ergo, there is absolutely NO REASON for them to be anonymous, EXCEPT for the fact that the story is complete and utter bullshit....

"Simple logic."
-Admiral James T Kirk

“{President Trump's} budget, if I can be honest with you, is an attempt to implement ethnic cleansing in this nation from people of color, but also poor white folk from whom services being but will be impacted the most”
-Democrat Bishop Dwayne Royster

Yep, sure sounds like, what was it Lewinsky said??

no rumor was too unsubstantiated, no innuendo too vile and no accusation too abhorrent

How sad that this is Weigantia and the Democrat Party today... :^(

Sound familiar???

When it comes to President Trump and Republicans, ya'all are acting EXACTLY how Lewinsky describes Fox News...

Ya'all must be SO proud.... :^/

And yes, the lack of NEN is noted and intentional...

I wouldn't characterize it as a "fear" so much as a sad acknowledgement of the times we are in, in the here and now... :^/

For example, your definition of "unsubstantiated" was totally self-serving and completely wrong. I proved it was wrong.. There was no forth-coming concession.. No simple: "Yer right, Michale. My bust.."

Yea, I know, I know.. It seems silly.. But you would be amazed at how far a little courtesy such as that goes...

So my acknowledgement that no concessions are forthcoming when facts are proven DOES have basis in fact..

Of course, you could argue that, since I DID put forth the argument on the definition of 'unsubstantiated' w/o expecting any concession, I should do so on the other argument.....

But that argument of yours wouldn't hold water because it was quite easy to show your definition of 'unsubstantiated' was wrong and, if you failed to acknowledge it (as you had done.. or not done... whatever...) it wouldn't be any skin off my teeth, nothing in the way of wasted time...

With the other argument, it would require considerable research, time-consuming research.. And all for what?? At best, having the argument ignored... Worse, calling into question the facts that are KNOWN VALID facts..

So, no thank you.. I have seen THAT movie too many times to sit thru another showing.... :^/

If you can't accept the facts, then we'll just have to agree to disagree..

Of course, when has NO FACTS and NO EVIDENCE ever stopped the haters in Weigantia??? :^/

Michale can't handle the newspaper reports that we're posting and would like us to stop. All those in favor of making Weigantia a SAFE SPACE for Michale... raise your hand.

Not at all. But this is a REALITY based forum (at least, it WAS) and ya'all are doing yer best to trash it by knowingly posting total, complete bullshit that has no basis in fact..

Ya'all are making Weigantia nothing but an ENQUIRER outlet and yea, that kind of irks me..

Unlike you, I remember the good old days of substantial intellectual discussions and an atmosphere where FACTS were god...

Ya'all have made this place a cesspool of rumors, innuendos and out and out total bullshit and call it "truth"...

So, yea.. It WOULD be nice to return to that time where FACTS and ONLY FACTS were posted and commented..

But, with lusers like you, Hot Lips, Balthy, etc etc etc, I doubt we'll ever see a FACT-based forum again...

Congrats Victoria.. You have succeeded in your goal of trashing this place. Hope yer happy..

Still waiting for you to prove that I post to rightwing political sites..

You get caught in ANOTHER lie and you run away...

So typical....

And yet, no one today brought up Brennan's testimony.

You didn't care about Brennan's testimony when he claimed under oath that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support the Russia Collusion claim...

NOW that Brennan says what you want to hear, NOW his testimony is gospel?? :D

You are so transparently bigoted, it's sad.....

And you STILL have no facts to support your accusation that NATO ministers were told to limit their speeches because of President Trump's limited attention span...

Why on earth would you believe you have ANY credibility about ANYTHING when you spew lies like that???

feel free to go on thinking that, but it's not the case.

Until such time as facts arise to dispute the claim, I will go on thinking it because it's the only conclusion that fits the facts..

the facts reported are very specific, could be easily verified true or false, and are not attributed to some random anonymous person.

If they could be easily verified, then why haven't they been??

And, IF it IS a fact that they COULD be easily verified and it's a FACT that they haven't been, then that seems to argue AGAINST your case that they are, indeed, factual..

Further, a SPECIFIC anonymous source and a random anonymous source is STILL an anonymous source..

the NYT and WP leaks are attributed to government officials who have firsthand knowledge,

According to the FACTS, the sources for the TRUMP REVEALED CLASSIFIED INFO TO THE RUSSIANS are NOT in government and were NOT present at the meeting in question..

How could they have first hand knowledge??

Answer, they can't.. The Grime and WaPoop are full of shit and anyone who buys into their lies are just as bad..

and who wish to remain anonymous to protect their jobs.

So?? They are committing felonies and, as such, are not fit to HOLD their jobs.

that's an 'ad populum' fallacy. credibility isn't determined by popularity.

And yet, it's an argument ya'all make about President Trump quite often... :D

Gotcha....

donald forfeited the benefit of the doubt when he fired comey on the 9th

Oh, com'on JL.. Are you trying to tell me you have been giving the President the benefit of the doubt up to the point he fired Director Comey???

Com'on.. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night...

:D

It wasn't my accusation, sugar. It was BREAKING NEWS from journalists. If you don't like it, take it up with the journalists at their respective newspaper and STFU.

You posted the news, you treated it as fact.. It's your accusation for which you have absolutely NO PROOF or NO FACTS to support..

You own it.. Man up and support it..

You've been asked by CW and me to stop using that name... so stop.

Actually, with CW, it was a misunderstanding that has since been resolved..

With you?? I really don't give a rat's ass what you prefer...

I prefer to have ALL the name-calling stopped and that EVERY Weigantian respect every other Weigantian..

When that happens, I will respect your request..

UNTIL it happens.. F.O.D.

Not only does he "spew their stuff," he posts links to their stuff and copies their stuff here in Weigantia, and there's no less than years and years of evidence of proof here in the archives... links to your left. *LOL*

Ahhhh But Hot Lips was talking about me POSTING to rightwing outlets...

And that is something I simply don't do. As I said, I am not the type who has nervous breakdowns when their candidates lose, I am not the type who comments to bunches of political blogs..

I actually have a life where politics is a very small part...

So, can you prove I post comments in ANY rightwing blogs???

No, you can't..

So, you lose Victoria...

Maybe a reminder to those who use it with practically EVERY COMMENT might be in order, eh? :D

so... you refuse to make an argument because you're afraid i won't accept it? perhaps you're not so confident in the strength of that argument.

Dood!! This entire commentary is FILLED with my "making an argument".. You just don't like the argument being made cuz it's so dead on ballz accurate.. :D

I'm quite sure you frequent rightwing outlets because you spew their stuff.

Prove it?!!!!!!!!!

Not only does he "spew their stuff," he posts links to their stuff and copies their stuff here in Weigantia, and there's no less than years and years of evidence of proof here in the archives... links to your left. *LOL*

And Hotlips wins again! From her lips to God's ears. She's not just Hot: This girl is on fire! :)

But until that time and since this is a REALITY based forum, can we knock off the unsubstantiated bullshit???

Michale can't handle the newspaper reports that we're posting and would like us to stop. All those in favor of making Weigantia a SAFE SPACE for Michale... raise your hand.

No hands!

Right then, carry on with the news, links, and let's redouble our efforts. Fox running scared... Tally ho! :)

But the great thing is that you felt compelled to respond.

I won!

Yes, Paula is easily the clear winner and now invited to be a member of the Kick Ass Club.

Hotlips... Paula
Badass.... Kick
Punk....... altohone

Wear it as a badge of honor. :)

Still waiting for you to provide ANY facts to support your accusation that President Trump asked two intelligence officials to lie for him..

It wasn't my accusation, sugar. It was BREAKING NEWS from journalists. If you don't like it, take it up with the journalists at their respective newspaper and STFU.

You've been asked by CW and me to stop using that name... so stop.

feel free to go on thinking that, but it's not the case. the facts reported are very specific, could be easily verified true or false, and are not attributed to some random anonymous person. the NYT and WP leaks are attributed to government officials who have firsthand knowledge, and who wish to remain anonymous to protect their jobs. that explanation is credible. the only alternative is that either they or the reporters are telling complete fabrications, which are generally quite rare among professional journalists. given the gravity of the allegations, that would be career suicide by the reporters AND the government officials, which also means they have a very strong disincentive from doing so.

The polls of the American public PROVE beyond ANY doubt that Grime, WaPoop et al have NO CREDIBILITY..

that's an 'ad populum' fallacy. credibility isn't determined by popularity.

If this were true, you would give the President of the United States the benefit of the doubt when confronted by TOTALLY UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors and accusations..

donald forfeited the benefit of the doubt when he fired comey on the 9th with the pretext that it was because of hillary's e-mails, then said on television on the 11th that it had been pre-planned and was really about the russia thing. and that's not even taking into account all the other transparently untrue things he's said over the course of the past year and a half.

donald's pants are so perpetually on fire that there's just no room for benefit left.

JL

My my these republicans and their ties to Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana

Brennan said that he'd seen enough information about “contacts and interactions” between Russian actors and people associated with the Trump campaign to make him believe that “there was a sufficient basis of information and intelligence that required further investigation” by the FBI.

Mind you, Brennan spoke on the record, under oath.

At one point, Rep. Trey "goober" Gowdy asked Brennan to provide evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. Any such evidence is “appropriately classified” answered Brennan, who added, “this committee has access to the documents we would have provided to the bureau.”

So I'll bet that the classified portion of that briefing was really interesting.

Ah well, even the greatest of trolls eventually start to slow down -- its inevitable. Look at DT? Couple articles today were comparing how "sharp" he sounded in the 1980's during one of his lawsuit testimonies. But now he can barely string a complete sentence together.

Life can be cruel.

Reports popping up in several places. The DT-loving Repub running in Montana just assaulted a reporter. Reporter in ambulance. Story still developing.

And just a few hours ago I opined that maybe all the rightwing violence approving stuff might just cause some people to do violent things.

Whether this will turn out to be an example of that is not yet clear. We'll see.

That means that EVERYONE's argument against me is undercut by their name-calling, right?? :D

yes, name-calling weakens the argument.

I don't NEED to create a valid basis.. One already exists.. Which I could easily prove to you if I thought for a second it would result in your concession..

so... you refuse to make an argument because you're afraid i won't accept it? perhaps you're not so confident in the strength of that argument.

wife just got home, to be continued.

JL

I'm quite sure you frequent rightwing outlets because you spew their stuff.

Prove it..

You can't because it's nothing but bullshit..

As is everything you spew...

Nothing but bullshit...

So, that means that EVERYONE's argument about Trump is undercut by their name-calling, right?? :D

That means that EVERYONE's argument against me is undercut by their name-calling, right?? :D

if you don't have a valid basis for your doubt of the veracity of facts as reported, name-calling does not create one.

I don't NEED to create a valid basis.. One already exists.. Which I could easily prove to you if I thought for a second it would result in your concession..

second, NYT and WP have credibility regardless of what i want to believe.

No.. They ONLY have credibility in YOUR eyes BECAUSE you believe..

The polls of the American public PROVE beyond ANY doubt that Grime, WaPoop et al have NO CREDIBILITY..

They have LESS credibility than Trump has.

This is well documented..

third, you're wrong - i don't WANT to believe that the president would do the things that it's reported he did.

If this were true, you would give the President of the United States the benefit of the doubt when confronted by TOTALLY UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors and accusations..

The fact that you don't proves that you WANT to believe..

I'm quite sure you frequent rightwing outlets because you spew their stuff.

And I'm quite sure you do NOT post objections to their stuff.

So you are either an approver, or an enabler. Probably both.

As either/both, you contribute to and validate a worldview that produces people who stab innocent young men for being black.

first off, your argument is undercut by name-calling, not supported by it. if you don't have a valid basis for your doubt of the veracity of facts as reported, name-calling does not create one.

second, NYT and WP have credibility regardless of what i want to believe. they abide by journalistic standards, without which they might as well be the national enquirer.

third, you're wrong - i don't WANT to believe that the president would do the things that it's reported he did. if true, it's incredibly unfortunate and a wasted opportunity.

JL

I can assure you with complete confidence that I DO make the same exact comments on *ALL* the "rightwing outlets" I frequent..

BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The reason I am laughing at you so hard is because, with the exception of a few technical forums on occasion ( I am having trouble with my FitBit Surge right now, for example... ) this is the only forum I participate in..

You see, I have a life that has soo much more in it than just politics..

Unlike lusers who have nervous breakdowns when their candidate gets her ass handed to her in an election...

I am just not that into politics...

But bully for those who are... More power to 'em... :D

As opposed to the luser who complains that President Trump doesn't get his hand held. :D

ANd therein lies the crux of the issue..

Grime and Poop *ONLY* have credibility because it's what you WANT to believe..

Due to the ample evidence that Grime and Poop have printed bullshit in the past and have had to retract their claims, MY claim that their reports are bullshit carry more weight to an objective "court"...

You believe Grime and Poop because you WANT to believe..

I don't believe Grime and Poop because there are no facts or evidence to support their accusations and because they have a track record of printing bullshit when it comes to President Trump....

But here's the real test: does Schultzie make that same comment at any of the online rightwing outlets he frequents?

I can assure you with complete confidence that I DO make the same exact comments on *ALL* the "rightwing outlets" I frequent..

BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

so... your assertion is that there is no evidence or facts to support the claims, and NYT's and WP's assertion is that there is indeed evidence and facts to support their claims. if we were in criminal court, your assertion would hold water, since the standard of evidence there requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. since we're not, NYT and WP have enough credibility to be believed unless proven wrong. therefore, your argument doesn't hold water.

JL

After prodding, he finally comes out with a statement of condemnation about the terrible wrongness of a white supremacist stabbing to death a young black college student who was minding his own business and offered neither provocation or threat. He was simply black.

So Schultzie concedes the terribleness of that act. Good.

But here's the real test: does Schultzie make that same comment at any of the online rightwing outlets he frequents?

Does he point out to his fellow-republicans/trumpers the horribleness of the act? Does he bring it to their attention? Does he recognize his, and his fellow-rightwing-travelers' overt and covert support of white supremacists leads to the deaths of innocent people? Does he admit 45's embrace of white supremacy during his campaign encourages such people to believe their thuggery and racism is acceptable? Does he condemn the militia groups who are threatening violence if 45 goes down? Or is he fine with all of that, hmm?

Since I haven't seen any screeds condemning those behaviors I have to assume he's on board with them. And even if he felt pushed to condemn them here, does he condemn them among his buddies? Or does he agree with them. Or does he enable them by doing neither?

Enquiring minds want to know.