In other words, you are saying that, since EM doesn't apply the reprimand equally, she has no moral foundation to reprimand you.. :D

Sounds familiar.. :D

In other words, you're twisting my words again AND your reading comprehension problem is again on display for all the world to see. No, I'm saying exactly what I wrote:

I don't mind being reminded to tone it down, but the guys with the potty mouths seem to never get reprimanded. Bust them too, EM! :)

EM makes a good point whether she does it "equally" or not, and I think I make a good point about busting the guys too... especially you with your movie quotes that are the worst offenders (they don't post themselves).

You seem to be hung up on your utter nonsensical "moral authority" argument. No one needs a "moral authority" in order to make a good point, and no one needs to argue both sides of an issue in order to make a good point either. That load of crap is the justification you use in order to shut down debate or avoid having to debate, which the entire purpose of this board is discussing and debating political issues. Insisting people have no moral authority to comment merely proves you'd rather argue about people than actual political topics. Rather than actual political debate, you're debating about debating because it's so much easier than actually debating issues. :)

The movie quotes use the F word. Michale does not..

I simply quote them faithfully and factually..

Well, the issue was using profanity in our posts, and we all know that your comments don't compose and submit themselves. So you're guilty of using profanity in your posts.

Case closed. :)

And I repeat.. Neither has Bill O'Reilly.. So, why don't you come to his defense like you do Bill Clinton's???

And Bill O'Reilly, Bill Cosby and all the other Righties that many here attack and denigrate has not been found guilty of anything either..
There you go again - this has nothing to do with these men.

It has EVERYTHING to do with those men.

ALL of them have never been found guilty of rape..

Yet you only choose to defend the guy with the '-D' after his name..

I am asking why...

There is one issue here and one only: you have maliciously slandered Bill Clinton without ever providing a shred of evidence.

The evidence and facts that condemn Bill Clinton is plentiful.. Only someone ruled by Partisan ideology would not acknowledge it..

When asked for one cite - just one legitimate cite, you refuse to give one. Instead you rant and rave about what some other unnamed people have said about some right wingers.

You have asked for MANY cites. So many, it's impossible to keep them all straight. And when I ask you to clarify which cite you mean, you go all postal on me with a buttload of unfounded personal attacks..

The fact that you continue to refuse to provide me which cite you are referring to leads me to the logical conclusion that YOU don't even know which cite you are referring to...

So, until you can point to a specific point you are questioning, we just go round and round..

I asked you to reference the claim so I can figure out what the hell you are talking about...

You do not have the poor English comprehension you are claiming to have. You pretend not to understand perfectly plain English because that's that's your MO, that's your way of slithering out of answering a challenge. You refuse to do it because you know you'd lose the challenge. So you deflect, pretend not to understand, go into either both-sides-do-it or whataboutism or both. It's pathetic. You should have more self respect.

I repeat: Bill Clinton has never been found guilty of rape so your constant accusations are nothing but malicious libel.

And Bill O'Reilly, Bill Cosby and all the other Righties that many here attack and denigrate has not been found guilty of anything either..
There you go again - this has nothing to do with these men.

There is one issue here and one only: you have maliciously slandered Bill Clinton without ever providing a shred of evidence. When asked for one cite - just one legitimate cite, you refuse to give one. Instead you rant and rave about what some other unnamed people have said about some right wingers.

But then is only about you and what you have accused Bill Clinton of. Until you can man up and provide proof of your slanderous accusations, you do not have the moral authority to comment on what anybody has said about other people.

In other words, you are saying that, since EM doesn't apply the reprimand equally, she has no moral foundation to reprimand you.. :D

Sounds familiar.. :D

The movie quotes use the F word. Michale does not..

I simply quote them faithfully and factually..

When it comes to cursing, the guys around here have NOTHING on you two! :)

I disagree because Michale use the "F" word a lot in his movie quotes, and then there's this little nugget from Melizabeth Killer:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/03/06/comey-needs-to-clear-the-air/#comment-96012

I don't mind being reminded to tone it down, but the guys with the potty mouths seem to never get reprimanded. Bust them too, EM! :)

Looks like CW was dead on ballz right when he cautioned Dems not to read too much into it.. :D

When it comes to cursing, the guys around here have NOTHING on you two! :)

Never noticed you defending me against Elizabeth's sly and nasty comments to me but how sweet of you to defend her when someone finally has the balls to be honest. You're defending a bully. Thanks for nothing.

Oh, c'mon. I only remember being on the board a few times when you were on. I defended us cursing because it seemed like it was acceptable for the guys but not us.

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/11/11/friday-talking-points-415-donald-trump-and-andrew-jackson/#comment-88453

As far as that comment, I should have included [89] in my reference because what I was trying to say there is that I don't believe it is fair to say that EM was thrilled when HRC lost and to get overly upset with her about something like that. That's all. :)

Your problem is, as the shit fills you up and starts to leak out your shoes, people notice. That's why republicans are becoming seen as so very grotesque -- its the overwhelming stench. Now, if you moved to Russia (I'm not sure if the stench carries MORE ore LESS in the crisp, cold air -- does humidity have any effect on smells?) there's plenty of vodka available to help people cope with all the official lying that goes on there so I think you'd attract less attention.

In Putin's Russia you can enjoy ALL the benefits of life under a true dictatorship where men in boots can haul people away for being, oh, gay for instance. Where they can shoot political opponents down in the street, or throw them off buildings, or poison them. I'm sure you'd sign right up and happily do Putin's bidding, just like Trumpy!

Or - here's an idea - you can go to work for one of the digital-bot outfits! You're very good at pushing propaganda online -- it could be a whole new career for you! And you're white so you can feel all nice and safe!

Really, your gifts are wasted here.

Gotcha {wink wink} :D

What a crock o crap.. I can go back and find your comments where you swore up and down that NOT-45 was going to win and the President Trump was going down in flames. You swore up and down how NOT-45 was going to carry Ohio and you were part of that...

I could find ALL your comments, but why bother.. You would just ignore it or try to deny it...

Friends? Not while you continue to carry water for the traitorous rightwing-lie-machine. Cannot be friends with un-patriots who think Putin is admirable and white supremacy is acceptable. Really, we need to start a freedom-lover exchange program: you, for example, can move to Russia in exchange for a Russian who understands and appreciates genuine democracy. Everybody wins!

Change "right wing" to "black people" and you will realize how utterly bigoted your comments are...

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan."
-Mr Barack Obama

Of course, you ignore THOSE lies because they are acceptable to your Party bigotry....

My old patrol area.. Along with San Ysidro...

So much for the claim that President Trump was lying about the wall.. :D

"It is totally sui generis. I’ve never seen anything like this,” Mitchell says. “I have never seen anything like this where people just flat-out lie. You know, black is white and white is black, and they mislead you. It's really disconcerting to see the podium in the White House briefing room being used to mislead or misdirect or obfuscate."

Trumpers!

Nuh uh. Never swore she'd be president. Hoped she'd be. You, in your perfect republican fashion are remember history incorrectly, or dishonestly -- take your pick. (Remember, "republican" is synonym for "liar".)

Here's a product recommendation: Febreze! Always have a can with you when you leave your cocoon. Spray it on liberally, and as your shoes fill up, reapply.

Friends? Not while you continue to carry water for the traitorous rightwing-lie-machine. Cannot be friends with un-patriots who think Putin is admirable and white supremacy is acceptable. Really, we need to start a freedom-lover exchange program: you, for example, can move to Russia in exchange for a Russian who understands and appreciates genuine democracy. Everybody wins!

No doubt at all..

What's that? You mean you don't smell any shit? Well, the problem is, when you hang out among other righties, your nose gets acclimated to the stench and you stop noticing it. Then, when you venture out of your rightwing enclave the smell of lies, evasions and misdirections strikes un-republicans.

DO you have ANY facts to support your position??

No???

Didna think so.. :D

Remember, YOU were the won that swore up and down that NOT-45 was going to be our next President..

She couldn't even win your own home state...

As such, yer credibility in political matters is sub-zero..

It's no wonder all you have is Party bigotry and hateful personal attacks..

I pity you, my friend..

What's that? You mean you don't smell any shit? Well, the problem is, when you hang out among other righties, your nose gets acclimated to the stench and you stop noticing it. Then, when you venture out of your rightwing enclave the smell of lies, evasions and misdirections strikes un-republicans.

Ritter's argument ignores the most important evidence IMHO.

Hospitalized Syrian patients given a Sarin antidote recovered. Those who could not be given the antidote (shortage of antidote) got worse and died. Sarin antidote does NOT work on chlorine gas, the two agents have completely different modes of action.

The signs of Sarin and Chlorine are distinctly different. Chlorine is readily detected on the clothing and the breath of victims - long after exposure. No chlorine odor was noted by doctors.

White phosphorus is also easily detected in the flesh and clothing of victims long after exposure.
Docs didn't report it. Responsible forensics requires considering all evidence available. Ritter's train of thought relies on cherry picking and is beginning to look to me like conspiracy theorism.

You fight the law... The law will win..

EVERY TIME....

Ya'all have one set of standards of the Right and a completely more lenient set of standards for the Left..

Wooops.. Forgot to reference the proper quote..

Let's try it again...

And again you slither out of providing a cite for your claim because the truth is you can't.

I didn't slither out of anything. I asked you to reference the claim so I can figure out what the hell you are talking about...

If you can't do that, THAT is on you, not me..

Bill Clinton has never been found guilty of rape so your constant accusations are nothing but malicious libel.

And Bill O'Reilly, Bill Cosby and all the other Righties that many here attack and denigrate has not been found guilty of anything either..

But that doesn't stop those people from attacking them.. And you don't come to their defense like you do Bill Clinton and NOT-45...

You see, that's the problem.. Ya'all want one harsh and unforgiving standard applied to Righties and a different much more lenient standard applied to Lefties..

How is this not hypocrisy??

"But... But... But... O'Reilly paid off his accusers!! So he MUST be guilty!!!"

Bill Clinton ALSO paid off his accusers.. So, by your OWN Leftie standard, Bubba must be guilty as well...

You see the completely and utterly untenable position you are in??

No matter WHAT argument you want to raise, it ALSO applies to the Lefties you worship...

The argument that "More Americans kill Americans than illegal immigrants"???

My response to that is.... SO???

Logically, if their are 20 million* illegal immigrants and 600 million* American citizens, it stands to reason that OF COURSE more Americans kill Americans than illegal immigrants..

Further, let's put it this way.. If you have 10 million Americans killed in a year, 6 million of which are killed by other Americans and 4 million of which are killed by illegal immigrants...

If you round up and deport illegal immigrants, you SAVE 4 million American lives...

Sure, 6 million are still dead because of other Americans, but that's another department. And, if you find malfeasance and Party zealotry causing THOSE 6 million deaths in THAT department, then we can discuss it..

But the fact remains that by deporting illegal immigrants you STILL save 4 million American lives..

Numbers are for examples only and do not necessarily reflect real-world conditions....

So, the argument that Americans kill Americans in greater numbers than illegal immigrants kill Americans is a non-relevant strawman argument..

OMYGOD!

An illegal immigrant criminal (I know.. Redundant) lied about his age!!

What are the odds!!!???? :D

The long and short of it is this..

Federal law requires LEO agencies to honor ICE detainer requests..

SF SO did not honor the ICE request per their bosses Sanctuary City policies, in violation of federal law...

As a DIRECT result, Kathleen Steinle was brutally gunned down...

Of course, no one on the Left cares about Steinle or her mourning family...

The Left ONLY cares about scumbag illegal immigrants...

Which explains exactly why the Democrat Party is in the shape it's in today...

Since one can only post one link at a time, I have to simply recommend that one follow the diarist's recommendation to check out the linked earlier comment thread by Rei, which in turn links to several detailed posts at bellingcat site that are of interest.

You CAN post more than one link at a time.. just eliminate the HTTP://www crap and put it in italics... They won't be clickable, but it's a small price to pay to read something as... ahem... "respected" as DailyKook.... :D

I was also SO..

And saying that military people don't have rights shows an appalling ignorance of the US military..

Now, do you have any facts to respond with? Or are you just going to sit there and try and insult me.. :D

A detainer request IS just as legal as a warrant, but only in the sense that both are legal! Lots of things are "legal", but only a few require a police agency to hold someone in custody.

And one of those few is a federal detainer request..

The fact is that they were not sure if the person in custody was actually the person ICE was after since the age given by the jail was like 7 years older than what ICE claimed his age was.

Which is the EXACT reason for the detainer request. So ICE could confirm the scumbag's identity...

Look, we can argue semantics and what the definition of 'is' is until the cows come home..

But the simple fact is, those Sanctuary city leaders are breaking the law.. And their actions have had a direct impact on the brutal murders of their citizens..

You can obfuscate all you want.. But that won't eliminate that simple fact...

[206] Comrade Michale: Ah the old Robert Byrd canard…well, when your shoes are all gloopy with shit, it's hard to concentrate and come up with a real argument. Sad.

Neither was O'Reilly, Ailes or anyone else some here attack and denigrate..

You see, that's the point..

Ya'all have one set of standards of the Right and a completely more lenient set of standards for the Left..

Typical..

You have no logical or rational response, so you just go with an immature personal attack.

Typical response from a hysterical Party fanatic..

Never noticed you defending me against Elizabeth's sly and nasty comments to me but how sweet of you to defend her when someone finally has the balls to be honest. You're defending a bully. Thanks for nothing.

And again you slither out of providing a cite for your claim because the truth is you can't. Bill Clinton has never been found guilty of rape so your constant accusations are nothing but malicious libel.

According to Elizabeth Miller: [139]

This blog site does not take kindly to false accusations, name-calling and otherwise juvenile behavior.

but it has no problem with all your false accusations and name calling and juvenile behavior. But then you're male and, even more importantly, a really big donor to the site so it's okay for you to say and behave in any way you want. They can't afford to lose you.

Oh you must be male. Elizabeth charms all the males.

You're really good at being a bitch. You've probably been making female lives an absolute misery since high school. No wonder there's so few females on this blog. You soon get rid of us.

Moved your answers forward, Punk! :)

There's an interesting back-and-forth discussion going on at DKos regarding Ritter's claims:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/9/1651744/-Putin-s-propaganda-hits-the-rec-list-the-danger-of-selective-skepticism

Since one can only post one link at a time, I have to simply recommend that one follow the diarist's recommendation to check out the linked earlier comment thread by Rei, which in turn links to several detailed posts at bellingcat site that are of interest.

After reading Ritter's article and then chasing those links myself (the frequent responder DDTea in the comments section of the two salient bellingcat DOT com posts is especially persuasive to me), my take away is that one the one hand, Russia's claims about the bombing of some sort of rebel lab/stockpile just aren't supported by the facts.

(NB: The ad hominems about Ritter in the diarists post don't sway me either way; they're not relevant to the matter under consideration).

BUT - to be clear, that doesn't mean that it follows that "since Russia's claims are wrong, therefore the standard US line is true"; anymore than claiming that the US narrative being false implies that the Russian narrative must be correct.

Nor does it mean that, even if the standard US line were true, that therefore the current US military response is appropriate. Or even that 45 as President has the authorization to carry out that action independently even if it were justifiable / recommended. And so on and so forth.

For my money, while the specific Russian narrative seems to fail largely on technical merits (e.g., yes, sarin can have an odor, no you can't just blow up binary components and expect them to be operational), the alternative narrative fails on political merits: I still just don't see how this action works for Assad, without some serious in-house back-stabbing going on.

So, by all means, further investigation is recommended.

ICE had a detainer request.. JUST as legal as a warrant, per the law...

I always forget that you were military police, but then you make claims like this and it becomes clear that you never had to worry about a person's rights since those you encountered really didn't have any.

A detainer request IS just as legal as a warrant, but only in the sense that both are legal! Lots of things are "legal", but only a few require a police agency to hold someone in custody. If ICE were arresting the subject, they would have had a warrant. The fact is that they were not sure if the person in custody was actually the person ICE was after since the age given by the jail was like 7 years older than what ICE claimed his age was.

Oh yeah.
I forgot to mention the big one.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for the Global War on Terror which has created somewhere between ten and twenty TIMES more Islamic terrorists today as there were when al Qaida attacked us on 9/11... making America and countries around the world less safe, while misallocating TRILLIONS of dollars, and violating our supposed values with not just torture and endless warfare, but with a targeted assassination program using drone strikes without proof of guilt or an actual threat, and that have regularly killed innocent people in countries where we are attacking without a declaration of war by Congress and with minimal oversight.

A

Scott Ritter describing al Qaida's use of chemical weapons in previous attacks in Syria is crucial background information to put the recent attack into perspective.

The "only Assad could do it" narrative is exposed as propaganda when the actual facts are known.

His expertise that shows the eyewitness descriptions of the gas and odor not matching Sarin need to be recognized as holes in the claims being made.

His conjecture about the recent attack was meant to raise the possibility of al Qaida's responsibility. His call for an investigation that doesn't rely on eyewitness accounts or other evidence from al Qaida "rebels" who lack credibility makes a lot of sense to me.

I don't know why any American would trust information coming from the people who attacked us on 9/11.

The claims about the chemical attack resulting from an aerial bombardment are ALL coming from al Qaida "rebels". The doctors who witnessed the aftermath, and who have more credibility, did not witness the attack.

A

Of course you did.

People like you don't want an investigation that may prove that al Qaida was responsible for the chemical attack in Syria, and want people to believe unproven assertions.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government thought working with dictators like Assad and Mubarak in the rendition program was a good idea.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government weren't satisfied with that approach, and instituted torture as a US policy.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for making it more likely torture will occur in other countries, due to our horrible "leadership" and programs run out of the School of the Americas to teach right wing dictators and their forces how to subdue civilian populations through torture and death squads.

Morally depraved pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for making it more likely US soldiers will be tortured if they are captured in future conflicts.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for the war crime of invading Iraq in an illegal war of aggression based on lies.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for weakening the ability of the US to use soft power to advance US interests without resorting to unnecessary wars.

Morally depraved, pro-torture people like you in our government are responsible for the coups in Iran, Egypt, Ukraine, Honduras, Venezuela, and numerous other countries which created death and destruction and violated international and US laws and supposed American values like democracy and justice.

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You want a cite for the cites I've been providing the last few days?
Your memory problems are not my problem.

A

While I appreciate yet another link about the al Qaida "rebels" possibly being responsible for the chemical attack in Ghouta, Syria, the article is from 2013.

I think it's important for all Americans to keep in mind that the "rebels" may well be responsible for the recent attack, and that we should pursue an investigation before a narrative where we are blaming the wrong side leads to war based on lies AGAIN.

A

Democrat Senator Robert Byrd

'nuff said..

I suggested that Dems are such wusses they would give Republicans the power of the filibuster back if they regained the Senate?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-discuss-restoring-filibuster_us_58ebdfa3e4b0ca64d91848e4?jvi&

This idea that bipartisanship is good for Dems when Republicans do not honor the principle is pathetic.

They have no concept of how to serve the interests of their voters by playing political hardball.

I think you used the word aggravating Kick.

A

And then the people who had a problem with civil rights left the Democratic Party to join the GOP, where they felt more at home.

A snit looks good on you... :D

http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com/2017/04/found-on-facebook-last-night.html

So, NOW ya'all's "proof" is a FACEBOOK blog??

:D heheheheheheheehehehehe

All is good in ya'all hysterical pursuit of Party fanaticism....

Aside to JL.. Yep.. SO much better than slavery.. :D

Yes, they did.. The Illegal Immigration Act of 1996 allows local LEOs to hold requested detainees for 48 hours..

ICE had every opportunity to interview the SUBJECT while he was in jail.

ICE didn't want to INTERVIEW him.. They wanted the scumbag in custody so they could DEPORT his ass.. For the SIXTH time..

If ICE had a warrant, then SFCSO would not have had a choice and would not have released him.

ICE had a detainer request.. JUST as legal as a warrant, per the law...

They did not have one, and the people of SF County decided that they were not going to allow the Federal government to overstep their authority by holding citizens without cause.

They HAD "cause".. He was an ILLEGAL... A criminal..

The law was completely and utterly on ICE's side..

SF SO ignored the law and Kathleen Steinle is dead because of that..

And the Left Wing cheers.. :^/

Yes... LET'S....

I am willing to hold my water if ya'all are.. :D

No???

Didna think so.. :D

How about an actual quote from LBJ? Here's one of my favorites:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

What part of:

If the Feds want the local police to enforce immigration laws, all they need do is get a court to issue a warrant for the person's arrest.

did you not understand??! The police did not have the legal authority to hold the person who shot Steinle.

ICE had requested that the SUBJECT be held for pick-up. San Francisco County SO refused and released the SUBJECT. SUBJECT then stole a gun and murdered Kathleen Steinle.

ICE had every opportunity to interview the SUBJECT while he was in jail. They could have arrested him, but the SUBJECT was obviously not a priority for them. If ICE had a warrant, then SFCSO would not have had a choice and would not have released him. They did not have one, and the people of SF County decided that they were not going to allow the Federal government to overstep their authority by holding citizens without cause.

Whoo hoo - the fun is starting.

http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com/2017/04/found-on-facebook-last-night.html

Good one. Let's see if it is a dead cat bounce right after throwing about a few Tomahawks before we all get too excited about the amazing comeback from "record breaking dreadful" to just "historically pathetic".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Oh my, the Lefties are in a snit now!!! :D

So, now that the polls are heading up, ya'all will adopt my position that polls are meaningless, right? :D

Because you DON'T KNOW that the majority of the people voted AGAINST him..

You just ASSUME that because it suits your agenda..

It's entirely likely that the majority of people voted FOR someone else...

And their candidate lost..

Anything else is spin...

"I’ll have those n****rs voting Democratic for 200 years"
-LBJ

Typical Democrat.. It's ALL about Party...

"As for top-2, I personally hate it. I hate having two Dems on the general ballot for ANY race, and no, I am not being funny or facetious. It is a travesty of democracy to not allow all parties onto the general election ballot. Primaries are low-attendance (as you point out), and it just isn't fair. I say that while voting Dem, but I'd be just as annoyed if I lived in a state where two GOPers were on the general election ballot. It's a matter of principle -- jungle, top-2 systems are just not fair and should be abolished. Period."

I have to disagree here. I think such runoff elections are MORE fair. NOT less. They are certainly better than what we have here in Florida, where we elected a governor TWICE, who got LESS than 50 percent of the vote each time. That means that more then 50 percent of the people, about 51 percent in fact, voted for SOMEONE ELSE. But the the ONLY reason he won, was because the opposition vote was split up among more than one candidate. How is that fair to the majority of people who voted against him and didn't want him?

"DEMOCRATS blocked civil rights legislation...

Own up to the Party's past or be forever doomed to repeat it.."

And YET, it was a DEMOCRATIC President, LEADER of the PARTY, Lyndon Johnson, who both pushed for and signed the most significant and sweeping Civil Rights legislation in history. It sure wasn't a REPUBLICAN, Nixon, who would have done that.

"O'Reilly's numbers are going up, so apparently the American people are fine with these meaningless accusations.."

Don't you know that one of the things the American people love to watch most is a train wreck or a car crash. That's what half the people at NASCAR are probably there for in the first place. Either that, or to see someone they originally put up on a pedestal unceremoniously pulled down off of it. In any case the end result is still always the same, utter destruction. In this case, O'Reilly's. A spectacular flame out may bring high ratings, but it is still a burn up. Just ask another Bill, Cosby.

Thank you...

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-military-defies-trump-making-bombed-airbase-fully-operational/

Cite???

https://www.voanews.com/a/bombed-syrian-airbase-again-operational-governor-says/3802331.html

Draining the swamp!

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/un-sources-say-rebel-forces-not-assad-used-sarin-gas/315588/

What a clown show.

Will that also apply to "sanctuary" policies?

Doubt it. Hypocrisy alert!

That promise was made on February 7.

This will force McConnell to go nuclear to give 45 a big tax break. Even our resident fanboy might wake up to that level of corruption.

If they can get three Republican Senators to sign up for a "drain the swamp" requirement that details out 45's personal tax savings and impact on his debt structure before they agree to vote on the bill, the fireworks could be very entertaining.

So you would think that the market would be hot on those stocks that are most likely to see a big tax cut.

In reality, nobody who is betting with their own money trust 45 can organize a raffle, let alone something as complex politically as a new tax bill. Thus instead of these companies' stock going up, they have been going down wrt their lower taxed peers:

http://www.businessinsider.com/high-tax-stocks-show-investors-doubt-trump-tax-cuts-2017-4

45 meets to discover what the Kochs want. Draining the swamp!

Cite???

I've got a crazy day, so just a short note until later.

If it wasn't Sarin, we enter the realm of chemical weapons which are less technically difficult to produce.

You mentioned eyewitness accounts.
Are you referring to the eyewitness accounts from al Qaida rebels of the attack, or just the eyewitness accounts of the doctors and journalists of the aftermath?

Do you support an investigation?

What do you think about the reported record of chemical attacks by al Qaida in Syria?

Do you consider the reported doubts raised in the intelligence community about who was responsible for the chemical attack in Ghouts (which supposedly influenced Obama's decision not to bomb in 2013) relevant?

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To me, this all seems like 2002, 2003.
Claims by an administration, evil dictator who must be guilty, "evidence" reported by an unquestioning gung ho media, Hillary on board... ah, the memories.

But rather than ignoring the accurate conclusions of the investigators on the ground in Iraq, there's no investigation in Syria.

Catch ya later.

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Such a charming film... my introduction to Nick Cage...

Where are they now?

If you were a Coppola, would you go by the name of "Cage"? *shakes head*

"It's Cosmo's moon!"

What movie is that from?

Moonstruck

138 -- Not really fair to snakes.

In other words, name-calling and personal attacks are perfectly acceptable... As long as they are directed to the right people of impure political ideology and insufficient Party zealotry....

Wish I could say I was shocked at such hypocrisy.. Sadly, it's ya'all's (NEN) defining characteristic...

C'mon, now!

137 -- Not really fair to EM.

138 -- Not really fair to snakes.

I won't list cites because of the multiple link rule, and all -- scratch that -- most of us here are quite capable of looking these things up ourselves. :)

I thought that the purpose of such actions was to make a regime pay for it's actions. Given that any airport runway can be re-paved and made ready for operation quickly, it still costs money and time to get it back up and operating. Why not spend an additional 20 million and crater the runway, thus creating a hole in the Syrians ability to deliver bombs and more gas?

I know, right? Blow the thing to smithereens and thwart their attacks of the Syrian people. Failure to do that just adds to suspicion that the motivation behind this wasn't the people at all. Since when in his 70-year history has Trump ever cared about people? And Trump is not that good of an actor.

Ritter's editorial addressed two things.

First, evidence relating to the Khan Sheikhoun incident.

Second, the subsequent US cruise missile attack on the Syrian AFB.

I found Ritter's treatment of the of first point disappointingly superficial - it did not sway my opinion: the preponderance of available evidence from multiple sources strongly suggests (to me) that an air delivered nerve agent attack by the Syrian government side did occur.

However I substantially agree with Ritter about the US response: it was militarily insignificant and poses serious geopolitical risks that aren't balanced by well defined geopolitical opportunities. Simply put, the US response, was a photo op for a green POTUS learning to ride his new foreign policy bicycle.

I did.. :D

Which provide compelling factual evidence that it was Assad forces who launched the CWMD attack..

Rebels do not have the air capability to mount such an attack... Further, if it were rebels who were mounting such an attack on THEIR OWN PEOPLE, for the purposes of inducing a response, the attack would have likely been much smaller...

All of the facts clearly indicate that it was Assad's forces that launched this CWMD attack...

I'm only 6'5".
But I could put my hair into liberty spikes or a Mohawk... my hair is long enough to get me to 7'... actually, I'd need to trim off about 6 inches.

Hey, my hair is long enough to get me to 7' also. Heh.

"And here's Fletch. Six five, with the afro six nine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AUpGXLDdk

Wow.
Already up for promotion from hand to King?
I am overcome with emotion m'lady.

Must I relieve thee of thy Tomahawk missiles until thou doth get that in check? I doth kid thee. :)

Definitely check out that Scott Ritter link.
He raises a few issues I haven't mentioned.

I did... along with dozens of eyewitness accounts, and I doubt you will like my conclusion.

From Scott Ritter-

I was hoping for such a post from him prior to the strike...

Interesting article. I've read about three dozen articles, eyewitness accounts, etc., and I have to tell you, Punk, from some of the eyewitness accounts it does not sound like Sarin since there would be no odor or visible clouds that multiple eyewitnesses claimed to have seen. But, having said all that, the sheer number of deaths from this attack is not whatsoever indicative of chlorine alone, and other eyewitnesses report no odor.

So taking all of the different eyewitness accounts together along with the Doctors Without Borders physicians who confirmed that patients' symptoms were consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent, it sounds to me like multiple CWs may have been dropped by air... so not a question of Sarin or chlorine; it was possibly both.

Thank the gods for President Trump.... :D

Tell that to Kathleen Steinle's parents..

I saw that, not to be sarcastically facetious (not much anyways) but rather to point out that, in the Steinle shooting, that is EXACTLY what happened..

ICE had requested that the SUBJECT be held for pick-up. San Francisco County SO refused and released the SUBJECT. SUBJECT then stole a gun and murdered Kathleen Steinle..

The Sanctuary concept was responsible for Kathleen Steinle's murder..

Ahhhh... So it's one big master conspiracy... :D

And the FACTS that support this claim??

NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA....

Basically, what you are saying is that President Trump is such a grand 12-D puppet master, that he even has the bulk of Democrat leadership fooled.. :D

[159] How do sanctuary cities protect murderers, rapists, and thugs? If a person is wanted on a federal warrant and are stopped by the police, the local police hold them for the Feds. They aren't freed to go commit crimes.

Tell that to Kathleen Steinle's parents..

If the Feds want the local police to enforce immigration laws, all they need do is get a court to issue a warrant for the person's arrest.

No one is talking about enforcing immigration laws.

We're talking about a federal LEO agency issuing a request to a city LEO agency to hold a criminal until said federal LEO agency can come pick them up and said city LEO agency ordered to give the finger to said federal LEO agency by said city scumbag leadership...

Putin and Trump have to have some "conflict" occur in order for Trump to be able to justify the lifting of sanctions as a form of "peace offering" between our two countries. Plus, this serves as a smoke screen against what might be discovered by the agencies investigating Trump's ties to Russia. Trump does know how to spin a story, that is for sure!

[159] How do sanctuary cities protect murderers, rapists, and thugs? If a person is wanted on a federal warrant and are stopped by the police, the local police hold them for the Feds. They aren't freed to go commit crimes.

If the Feds want the local police to enforce immigration laws, all they need do is get a court to issue a warrant for the person's arrest.

Not only will cities who protect scumbag murderers and rapists and thugs lose MILLIONS in Federal funding, those moronic city leaders are going to lose MILLIONS in STATE funding as well!!!

Kewl.....

Next step is to start throwing those moronic city leaders in jail.... Five years in the slammer oughta do it.. :D

"10,000 years in the Cave Of Wonder ought to chill him out!!"
-Genie, ALADDIN

:D

But!! But!!! But!!!

President Trump and Putin are bestest buddies!!!

We know this because the Left has SAID so!!!???
{/sarcasm}

See?? THIS is *exactly* why it's impossible for anyone to take what ya'all (NEN) say seriously..

Because it's *ALL* borne of nothing but political bigotry and Party fanaticism...

It suits the Party agenda that President Trump is in bed with Putin so... VIOLA... President Trump is in bed with Putin..

Of course, then FACTS and REALITY come a calling and, POOOOF The "truth" of the Left comes crashing down like the fact-less house of cards it was...

And a NEW "truth" will replace it. That President Trump is so insane he is going to take us into WWIII against Russia....

"We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia."

George Orwell obviously wrote 1984 with the Democrat Party in mind....

In either case the exercise pretty much can be just summed up as an expensive fireworks show, given that we did not render the airbase unusable for even 24 hours.

Cite???

I have to admit, you got my head spinning. :D

I have started this response and deleted what I started about 4 times now..

Every time I read your comment I get one take on it and then I read it again and I get a totally different take..

So, bear with me as my response maybe disjointed.. :D

if it's plausible that Pres.Trump was moved to action by seeing the victims on television.

First off, I don't really see it as a problem if a President is moved to action by seeing something on television..

The facts clearly tell us that our previous... ahem... "leader" was moved to action by many MANY things he saw on television and in the news..

So that, in and of itself, I don't see as a problem..

Now, sure, coming to the defense of a dead thug is quite a bit different than launching 5 dozen cruise missiles at a sovereign country... But it's a difference only in magnitude, not a difference in cause and effect..

Personally, I agree with what you said. I don't believe it's true either that President Trump was motivated solely by what he saw on the telly... But if he was, I wouldn't have a problem with it, per se...

It's not because it's true (and I choose to believe that it is not); it's because it is, in truth, the simplest way to explain it given the facts and predicates.

Gods, this is tying me up in knots!! :D You are a demon with words, my friend!! :D

I am really going to have to let this percolate before I can respond to it coherently.. :D

Bear with me..

As we've already seen, this has identifiable consequences for governance.

Yes, it does... And that is what is so aggravating.. The anti-Trumpers who go off on a fact-deprived binge do not realize the damage they are doing to this country SOLELY because their ideology dictates it..

For better or for worse, President Trump *IS* their president..

It would be nice if they could quit being Democrats and start acting like Americans...

If only...

"If only.... IF only...."
-Hades, HERCULES

:D

You lose, Michale. I never ever said Bill O'Reilly, Roger Ailes or Bill Cosby was guilty of rape. So the standard I am applying is: if you say it then YOU PROVIDE THE CITE!

Where did I say that YOU personally said that O'Reilly, Ailes or Cosby were guilty of rape..

You say it, then YOU PROVIDE THE CITE.. :D

See, this is why it's SOOO much easier if ya'all would simply quote the passage ya'all are referring to.. It would make things so much simpler... :^/

It's inescapable - YOU SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT BILL CLINTON - SO FUCKING CITE YOUR SOURCE and stop trying to slither your way out of it by accusing me of something I NEVER SAID!

See above....

the guardian article provides numerous links to evidence supporting the view that assad was motivated to use chemical weapons and believed he'd get away with it.

That's because he DID get away with it once before...

your view that it was a rebel conspiracy is conveniently unprovable.

And patently ridiculous to boot...

WOW... ALL those lengthy comments JUST about lil ole me!!??

I must have REALLY hit a nerve with ya'all that ya'all would expend soooo much time and effort just to talk about me.. :D

"Irregardless" is not a word, and it is definitely your bullshit. Read your comments where you basically can cut and paste the same commentary asking me to prove something over and over like it's a shiny new argument. It's not new. Your shit is so stale that it reeks from the stench.

And more deflection..

You claimed that asking people to prove their claims is "my bullshit" not yours and then you turn right around and ask me to prove a claim I made..

You got caught in blatant hypocrisy and lying and now yer all pissy and hysterical.. :D

I did "turn around" and do it, but that doesn't exactly qualify as being my "bullshit" when it's your monotonous modus operandi.

Ahhhh When YOU do it, it's perfectly acceptable..

Blatant hypocrisy... :D

Oh, I wouldn't really call that lying.

Of course you wouldn't. Which is ALSO a lie :D

Tell us how it feels to hijack my post to A01 in order to make him look hysterical

I don't "make" altohone look hysterical..

He does that all on his own... :D

What century are these clowns living in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAU4pf0uhoY

Such a charming film... my introduction to Nick Cage...

"It's Cosmo's moon!"

What movie is that from?

Thankfully we now have Unix Time which relates everything to seconds elapsed since the Beginning of The Epoch (Jan 1 1970, GMT); and hopefully all major and minor religions will adopt this Holy Standard into their scriptures.

(Until sometime in 2038 when the 32-bit number system fails us; but hey - society will probably have collapsed by then :) ).

Also - yes, the full moon is a beautiful sight!