Odumbo "taking questions" from Republicans is NOT reaching out..

Odumbo promised that the GOP would have input in CrapCare..

Odumbo promised that GOP ideas such as tort reform and purchase across state lines would find their way into CrapCare..

Odumbo lied out his ass...

The idea that "I have a pen and a phone/Elections have consequences" Odumbo *EVER* reached out to the GOP in any meaningful way is a myth..

And THAT comes from a guy who actually VOTED for Odumbo..

You've got a point.

Thank you..

It happens... Nice ta see it acknowledged :D

Odumbo NEVER reached out to Republicans...

Yes, Odumbo did. Just because you have no knowledge of something doesn't mean that it "NEVER" happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-jasxb7NY

There are more examples on the Internet, but I know you don't need spoon feeding to find them.

Henceforth there'll be no need to repeat your above falsehood unless it is your intention to lie. :)

You've got a point.

And the CBO's predictions on CrapCare have been WORSE than ya'all's predictions on Trump's election..

If that's possible...

YES I DO. After all, Republicans spent 8 years vowing to make Obama a one term President, along with all that birther nonsense, and yet Obama still reached out to Republicans. Are you saying Trump can't do something that Obama DID???

Odumbo NEVER reached out to Republicans...

Funny how you don't deny the impeachment and assassination talk amongst the Left Whinery...

According to ya'all, the electorate IS that dumb because they elected Trump..

"You're kidding, right??"

NO, I AM NOT.

"Democrats have been talking impeachment *AND* assassination since President Trump was elected..

And YOU want him to reach out to Democrats??"

YES I DO. After all, Republicans spent 8 years vowing to make Obama a one term President, along with all that birther nonsense, and yet Obama still reached out to Republicans. Are you saying Trump can't do something that Obama DID???

"You must live in a state that has legalized marijuana and you got yerself a righteous batch.. :D"

Chris wrote:

"Did FL suddenly legalize weed or something? I mean, you're becoming totally unhinged here."

Thanks Chris! I guess, Michale, you just TOTALLY forgot that I also live in Florida????

Michale wrote:

"No matter how ya'all wanna spin it, the simple fact is that Obama and the Democrats OWN the coming health insurance catastrophe... :D

It's gonna be GLORIOUS!!!! :D"

YES, PLEASE DO hold your breath Michale, for at least the NEXT TEN YEARS. Because, according to the CBO, that's HOW LONG Obamacare will remain STABLE, even if NOTHING MORE is done on it in terms of legislation.

Yeah, 'explode' as in 'be detonated'. Trump has any number of ways to blow up Obamacare. Price at HHS can practically decapitate it, Treasury can instruct the IRS not to enforce the mandate, essentially defunding it. They can kill it.

If Trump thinks that the electorate is too dumb to see through that, he's conning himself as well.

And of course, the electorate never blames the party in power when things start to go horribly. ahem.

While you make an otherwise-excellent point about HRC and the Hillarycare era, I still have a problem with how she overstated her influence on CHIP. Check the record, especially what Kennedy had to say about it. Now, I realize she was in the midst of a campaign, but Kennedy deserved the lion's share of that credit. HRC only got on board AFTER it passed, really. Not saying that wasn't a helpful thing, but let's not overstate her influence on things...

Hey, CW, I never met a politician who didn't overstate something or other. :)

I know there's been a lot of debate over the years regarding HRC's involvement in SCHIP, particularly since Kennedy endorsed BHO, and I also know it was Kennedy's "baby" with the bipartisan help of Orrin Hatch. But HRC didn't actually "ONLY" get on board after it passed, she was a driving force in getting it financed and in keeping WJC's feet to the fire... she was Kennedy's voice inside the White House.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: "The children’s health program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue."

In that same story, The AP’s Beth Fouhy concluded, "While Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, by all accounts the former first lady’s pressure was crucial." She quoted Nick Littlefield, who had been a senior health adviser to Kennedy, as saying, "we relied on her, worked with her and she was pivotal in encouraging the White House to do it."

The AP’s assessment is backed up by others we consulted. Adam Clymer, former chief Washington correspondent for the New York Times, covered the legislative maneuvering and also wrote about it in a 1999 book, "Edward M. Kennedy: A Biography." Clymer wrote that Kennedy "worked with" Hillary Clinton to get White House support for a Senate measure to grant $24 billion for the new program, rather than the $16 billion approved by the House. "With strong administration support, the $24 billion stayed in," he wrote. Then, when the bill finally passed, Kennedy "credited the President, the First Lady, [Senate Democratic Leader Tom] Daschle, Marian Wright Edelman, head of the Children’s Defense Fun, and Hatch. …"

Clymer, in an exchange of e-mails, told FactCheck.org:

Adam Clymer: "On balance, I would say of course Kennedy and Hatch deserve most of the credit, but Hillary helped by making sure the Administration stuck with the $24 billion in [the Senate-House] conference. She didn’t write the legislation but she played a significant role in getting it passed."

Other accounts at the time the legislation was passed and since give Clinton substantial credit. The pro-Republican Washington Times newspaper credited (or perhaps more accurately, blamed) Hillary Clinton for the program in a 1997 article. The paper said it had obtained documents from 1993 showing that the White House "plotted" to push a "Kids First" insurance program if Mrs. Clinton’s universal health care proposal failed.

Washington Times, Aug. 6, 1997: "The plan signed into law yesterday by Mr. Clinton and pushed by the first lady is a duplicate of the 4-year-old health care task force idea, except that it is paid for by a 15-cent tax on cigarettes. One of the co-authors of the plan, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, credited Mrs. Clinton for her 'invaluable help, both in the fashioning and the shaping of the program.'"

Years later, when Clinton was first running for the Senate, Kennedy’s aide Littlefield was still giving her credit. The New York Times quoted him as saying, "She was a one-woman army inside the White House to get this done.” He said that when President Clinton himself was showing reluctance to back the new legislation out of fear it would upset a budget deal with Republicans, "We went to Mrs. Clinton and said, ‘You’ve got to get the president to come around on this thing,’" and she did. :)

Every gambler knows.. That the secret to surving....
Is knowing what to throw away, knowing what to keep..
You got to know when to hold 'em...
Know when to fold 'em...
Know when to walk away...
Know when to run...
-THE GAMBLER

:D

Trump promised he'd have a great health plan on "Day One". He didn't. He LIED TO YOU.

Ya'all didn't mind when Obama lied to you about closing Gitmo, right??

As I have said many a time, I don't have much of a dog in the fight that is CrapCare...

It was never a strong reason for me to support President Trump..

Using your "logic" -- all of Obamacare's flaws, real or imaginary, are ALL THE FAULT of the Repubilcans in Congress -- precisely because NONE OF THEM voted for it.

I am not sure what you are referring to so I can't respond...

Oh, and by the way, where ARE all those death panels Sarah Palin predicted? I mean, it's been three years of Obamacare so far, so pretty soon they should be setting up shop, making life-or-deathy decisions as to whether Sarah's baby gets to live or not, right? I mean, that's what she predicted -- that's what she PROMISED would happen...

Ya have to be pretty desperate to use a PALIN promise as a defense?? :D

As for you and Trump waiting for Obamacare to "explode" -- I suggest you hold your breath until it happens. Yeah, that'll show them! I mean, it's bound to happen within the next three minutes, right?

Not in the next 3 mins..

But it IS bound to happen..

And guess who will get the blame??

Not the GOP.. Not President Trump...

The BEST timing would be that CrapCare explodes right around Aug-Sep of 2018...

Ya'all will be looking at a SUPER Majority in the Senate and total decimation of the Democrats in the House.. :D

How about hundreds of thousands of new and saved jobs??

Not that the Left Whinery gives a crap about jobs. They just want to make sure that guys can use girl's bathrooms..

You mean the CBO that was so dead (no pun intended) wrong about CrapCare??

Yea, by all means. Let's ignore it.. :D

Please oh wise one inform, those of us wandering about in ignorance, how this GOP legislation was going to make life better for us.

It would have prevented CrapCare from exploding and leaving EVERYONE without health insurance...

Links to real facts always welcome...

Yea.. Like anyone else does... Why hold me to a standard ya'all ignore??

We'll just have to wait and see what the Trumpster tweets at 6 am tomorrow morning...

Heh.

Michale [39] -

Did FL suddenly legalize weed or something? I mean, you're becoming totally unhinged here.

No deal = Trump's a great dealmaker? WTF???

Usually you have a tiny shred of a lifeline to some sort of right-wing reality, but this one is just completely unmoored. I mean, seriously?

Trump promised he'd have a great health plan on "Day One". He didn't. He LIED TO YOU. He then hitched his wagon to Ryancare. That failed. How in any possible universe is that a win for him?

[46] -

OK, now I'm really starting to get worried about your sanity. I mean, do you listen to yourself ever?

Using your "logic" -- all of Obamacare's flaws, real or imaginary, are ALL THE FAULT of the Repubilcans in Congress -- precisely because NONE OF THEM voted for it.

Now do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

Sheesh.

As for you and Trump waiting for Obamacare to "explode" -- I suggest you hold your breath until it happens. Yeah, that'll show them! I mean, it's bound to happen within the next three minutes, right?

Heh.

Oh, and by the way, where ARE all those death panels Sarah Palin predicted? I mean, it's been three years of Obamacare so far, so pretty soon they should be setting up shop, making life-or-deathy decisions as to whether Sarah's baby gets to live or not, right? I mean, that's what she predicted -- that's what she PROMISED would happen...

In other words, maybe PT Barnum was right.

neilm [58] -

Just saw this, but I heartily agreed with your sentiments in my Friday column. Now is indeed the time.

Paula [62] -

That's the most intelligent thing I've heard all day. Kudos!

:-)

Kick [67] -

While you make an otherwise-excellent point about HRC and the Hillarycare era, I still have a problem with how she overstated her influence on CHIP. Check the record, especially what Kennedy had to say about it. Now, I realize she was in the midst of a campaign, but Kennedy deserved the lion's share of that credit. HRC only got on board AFTER it passed, really. Not saying that wasn't a helpful thing, but let's not overstate her influence on things...

-CW

Convenient cry in a forum that only allows for one link per post. I'm just sayin'. Nothing I've posted about isn't all over several websites, including the rightie trashy ones. Try googling.

CrapCare is a huge ticking time bomb.

Will you take the word of Kaiser, a major health insurance behemoth, that it isn't unless the Administration wants it to be?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/will-obamacare-really-explode-214949

Notice in that article about how the insurance rep is perfectly happy to hang the whole thing around the neck of the current administration (and politicians generally), rather than admit that his company is up-to-its-eyeballs a part of the problem.

Here are the ten benefits he refers to that the ACA says have to be in every policy:

https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/what-marketplace-plans-cover/

I can't imagine that any of those services wouldn't be in any healthcare plan that was worth the paper it's printed on. I'd make that list at least twelve items deep myself, as I never understood why dental or vision coverage, for instance, isn't just as important as any other medical need.

The insurance companies (and their teaparty lackeys) want to cut that list in half, at least. Mind you, the insurance companies will post billions of dollars in profits this year, and Humana recently got a 37 billion dollar takeover bid from Aetna. Doesn't look like Obamacare is killing them.

Hilariously, the insurance rep is in favor of creating a taxpayer-funded pool of 100 billion dollars to shore up insurance profits in areas where an increase in premiums has caused a drop-off of new customers.

We're the ones being squeezed, and the GOP is in on it. Thank the gods the GOP failed today.

A nice rundown on the whole debacle...

But it turned out to be Trump who was the bluffer. When Ryan traveled to the White House to make clear that they were well short of the votes they needed, the president soon agreed not just to cancel the vote but to abandon the effort entirely. It was time to cut his losses and move on to other things. “Obamacare,” Ryan said Friday afternoon, “is the law of the land.”

I know, right? They just called in the press and threw in the towel and blamed Democrats. They didn't even try that hard. How pathetic, right?

Can anyone remember the speech that First Lady HRC gave when Congress defeated her health care reform in the 90s? No you really can't because she didn't give a "loser" speech. She kept working with Democrats and Republicans and helped to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which now provides health coverage to more than 8 million children. She worked closely with Ted Kennedy who said that if not for Hillary pushing it from her end of DC, the Children’s Health Insurance Program wouldn’t be in existence today.

I think Trump was at a bigly disadvantage because of his ignorance regarding health care and his general dearth of knowledge regarding the inner workings of DC and how a bill becomes a law. *LOL* Who knew health care was so complicated? Certainly not the Con who lied to Americans about his health care plan that was going to cover everyone for a lot less money but who had no plan and worked tirelessly with the far right wingers creating a plan that would throw 24 million Americans off their health care. Even Republicans wouldn't vote for that scam.

People can criticize HRC for lots of things, but she knows everything there is to know about the intricacies of health care policy and Washington, DC, and how to reach across the political aisle to get things done, and she isn't a sniveling little finger pointer like the Whiny-Little-Bitch-in-Chief. :)

OK, so I was asked about the Democrats putting forward their bill for Healthcare, and I said before that the timing was wrong.

Now the time is right.

Neil is exactly right here. Maybe it might also be a good time for Democrats to unite and start pushing for a single-payer plan... because that's where this all ends! :)

Just remember... That "toddler-in-chief" TOTALLY devastated your chosen candidate..

Doesn't say much for NOT-45, eh? :D

I think it actually doesn't say much for those people who fell for the populist bullshit of a 70-year-old con artist who spent his whole life leaving a trail of people he stiffed.

It's very much like PT explained when he said: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters."

Doesn't that say so much more about those voters that it does their Mafia Don? :)

CrapCare is a huge ticking time bomb. President Trump and the GOP had a plan to diffuse that ticking time bomb..

The plan was shit Michale, and that's why even Republicans wouldn't vote for it. After several revisions, the final bill would have allowed insurers to go back to writing shit policies that didn't cover essential health benefits such as emergency room visits and hospitalization and would allow them to sell to unsuspecting consumers who'd assume they had coverage... the kind of policies that would best be described as "Trump U."

They couldn't get it past the hurdle because Democrats decided to sit on their hands...

Are you completely unaware that Republicans in the House hold their largest majority since 1928? Knowing that fact, who in their right mind could truthfully blame Democrats for not helping to pass a bill that would screw over millions of Americans and that 215 Republicans wouldn't hold their nose and vote for?

So, when CrapCare explodes, WHO is going to get the blame??

Who controls the House, the Senate, and the White House? Who promised it would be "so easy" to "immediately" repeal and replace and then failed to drive that home? Who ran on a populist message and then took an immediate hard right at the wheel? The guy who is steering the vehicle gets the blame when he plows it right into a ditch. :)

Hey dimwit - you've been bragging for months about how you won, won, won - the White House, the Senate and the House.

Why can't you do anything?

Because you are a loser.

Funnily enough, they were comfortable voting to repeal while Obama could be relied on to veto them. Once they actually had to pony up and face the consequences of repealing without a genuinely workable replacement, they balked.

A nice rundown on the whole debacle.

Ends: So on Thursday, the president tried his final trick — he cut off negotiations and demanded the House vote tomorrow. It was an attempt to transform the vote into a test of personal loyalty to Trump. He hoped that holdout Republicans were bluffing.

But it turned out to be Trump who was the bluffer. When Ryan traveled to the White House to make clear that they were well short of the votes they needed, the president soon agreed not just to cancel the vote but to abandon the effort entirely. It was time to cut his losses and move on to other things. “Obamacare,” Ryan said Friday afternoon, “is the law of the land.”

Well if you define the middle class as people earning above $250K/year but less than say, $5M, then I'd say the tax bill they are going to give us is going to be a boon to the "middle class".

I anticipate tax cuts for capital gains and dividends, you know, income that "middle class" people rely on.

Now the time is right.

The Democrats should put in place a bill called "Affordable Care Act 2017" that strengthens the current ACA and adds some expensive goodies to annoy the "Freedom Caucus". They can let 45 negotiate away the expensive goodies but leave the adjustments in place. By calling it the ACA 2017 they can ensure that it is seen as the next version of Obamacare.

If the Republicans were smart they'd pass it after some negotiation and a name change to 45care. But they are almost guaranteed to start shouting Obamacare 2.0 and reject it.

Then they completely own healthcare.

Just like ya'all blame Republicans for everything...

That is both a LIE and a DEFLECTION and exactly how your "godsend" reacted when he failed to deliver on his promise "so easy" and "immediately." It's easy to see why you worship him so... how your small minds think very much alike... why you two are like peas and carrots!

What's yer point??

Was that post difficult? It wasn't rocket science. I even supplied a link with moving pictures for you.

That's why it's a godsend that President Trump was elected... :D

I must not be on the inside track...Please list what exactly trump has done to date to benefit and look out for the middle class.

For the moment let's ignore the CBO...Let's also ignore all of the people against this bill...and of course the basic math...

Please oh wise one inform, those of us wandering about in ignorance, how this GOP legislation was going to make life better for us.

Links to real facts always welcome...

It's gonna be GLORIOUS!!!! :D

Just remember... That "toddler-in-chief" TOTALLY devastated your chosen candidate..

Doesn't say much for NOT-45, eh? :D

Crapcare is going down....

Funny how ALL Dumbocrats would rather see CrapCare explode no matter HOW it hurts their fellow Americans, than admit their deal leader pushed thru an abortion that was NEVER viable.... :D

Works both ways, sugar.. :D

...or perhaps a loss is just a loss.

Let me put it another way..

CrapCare is a huge ticking time bomb. President Trump and the GOP had a plan to diffuse that ticking time bomb..

They couldn't get it past the hurdle because Democrats decided to sit on their hands...

So, when CrapCare explodes, WHO is going to get the blame??

It IS called ObamaCare after all... :D

To the millions of Americans who went to Town Halls and made calls and wrote newspapers and all the rest, in defense of the ACA: I salute you. I did my part and I'm really, really glad I did.

Well, right back at you, soldier. Those unlimited minutes really come in handy, don't they? :)

Yep...

All the blood of the coming catastrophe will be on Odumbo and the Dumbocrats...

When CrapCare implodes because it is such crap, the Democrats and Odumbo will get the blame...

that's like saying that losing the election will actually be a positive for hillary clinton... when trump implodes because he is such crap, republicans will get the blame and hillary will be golden...

...or perhaps a loss is just a loss.

JL

09/22/16

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/297150-dems-to-gop-help-us-fix-obamacare

Dems have long-since said ACA needed boosting in different areas, and have put forth plans to do it. But GOP wasn't interested in that, they just wanted to claim a "win" and they needed this "win" because they'd spent seven years talking smack about the ACA in order to rile up their $%^& base. It's all been bullshit and they have been saved from their own folly -- and no one deserves it less.

But the American people did NOT deserve a return to the bad old days just to inflate the egos of the toddler-in-chief, the Ayn Rand acolyte speaker, or a bunch of sadistic Tea Partiers.

If Grumpy wants to blame the Dems for his devastating failure today, we'll take it!

Just like ya'all blame Republicans for everything...

What's yer point??

When CrapCare implodes because it is such crap, the Democrats and Odumbo will get the blame...

Then the GOP plan will be better received...

He's technically correct. Anyone here think "immediately" qualifies for less than 64 days? He did say he would do it "immediately," and he did say it would be "so easy."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VTbt-i_b4

He also blamed Democrats because he couldn't deliver.

President Trump's deal-making prowess is still intact...

As to blaming Democrats??

Of COURSE they share the blame..

Democrats would rather see tens of thousands of Americans die (ya'all's numbers, not mine) rather than help the GOP help save American lives..

Once again, Democrats put Party before Country..

That's been the Democrat way for the last 15 years....

Will Paul Ryan grasp that kissing 45's expansive tush guarantees him, Ryan, nothing?

Will the Republican House descend into a fury of blaming and scapegoating or will they unite against the ticking timebomb they saddled us with?

Will Ryan keep the speakership at all?

Will 45 or Ryan make any attempt to shore up the ACA in a responsible way? Or will 45 try to make it fail out of spite and to the detriment of the public?

Exactly how childish and vindictive will 45's tweets throwing blame around this weekend be?

For the moment a bullet has been dodged. Will the GOP have the sense to leave well enough alone?

We'll see.

They are so leader-less and rudder-less and clue-less....

Even when they win, they lose!!! :D

No???

Didna think so.. :D

"Kahn.. I am LAUGHING at the superior intellect.."
-Admiral James T Kirk

:D

They have no one to blame but themselves..

NOW we're gonna find out the down and dirty on the Obama Administration breaking the law over Team Trump surveillance...

Nice..... :D

To the Democrats who stayed out of the way to let the Repubs make a hash of their big chance to keep a stupid, irresponsible promise: I salute you. (Love Nancy Pelosi, among others.)

To the supposed legendary deal-making prowess 45 unleashed on this mess: I question whether that reputation is deserved. Well, I don't believe its deserved at all, actually, and this outcome appears to bear that out.

To the Repubs of any stripe who said they weren't about to be strong-armed by the orange one who's "deal-making" prowess appears to consist of insults and threats: I salute you.

To the millions of Americans who went to Town Halls and made calls and wrote newspapers and all the rest, in defense of the ACA: I salute you. I did my part and I'm really, really glad I did.

The GOP never had any real intent on helping Joe and Jane Sixpack..

That's why it's a godsend that President Trump was elected... :D

"A godsend"? *LOL*

Those of us with perspicacity would like to reiterate that your Prima Donald... your Orange Oracle... your Cheeto Jesus... yes, let's go with Cheeto Jesus:

Is a con artist extraordinaire, and not only would he not work across the aisle with Democrats, you sit and watch while he actually blames Democrats for not voting for his bullshit. :)

Once again...

CITE!????

Why isn't he reaching across the aisle to work with the Democrats and forge a coalition with them and moderate Republicans???

You're kidding, right??

Democrats have been talking impeachment *AND* assassination since President Trump was elected..

And YOU want him to reach out to Democrats??

You must live in a state that has legalized marijuana and you got yerself a righteous batch.. :D

Cite???

I guess everyone except you knows that Devin Nunes apologized to the intel committee for what he did; it's all over the Internet. Here let me spoon feed you a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyU58Pm0udc

Because, unlike you, I have the facts that show your claim to be BS... :D

You couldn't possibly have a cite that proves my claim to be BS because Devin Nunes did apologize for what he did. Once again, you're trying to make my post about what Devin Nunes SAID even after I've told you multiple times that my post is about what Devin Nunes DID.

Ain't it a bitch to always be trapped by ya'all's own Party slavery?? :D

Same shit, different day!

Isn't it a bitch to have a few tired arguments and little else to offer, while your dearth of ideas is as monotonous as it is pitiable? Isn't it a bitch to be told multiple times that someone's post is not about you or your post to another person from another page, yet your absence of gray matter and ignorance of comprehension continue to plague you?

As to the information itself, pretty damning for Obama and the Democrats...

Really? Okay... last time I am going to say this: My first post was congratulating Nunes for being an ignorant tool by putting some more coins into the conspiracy theory parking meter. My second post was congratulating Nunes for apologizing for what he did.

As to the information itself, I still don't give a shit about what Nunes said. So Nunes still maintains that Trump's allegations of wiretapping are false and that the surveillance was legal but contained incidental collection that Nunes deemed somehow inappropriate. Sounds like Nunes is saying some members of Team Trump - maybe Trump himself - was recorded speaking to someone who was the subject of a legally executed FISA warrant. That's basic SOP and fairly unremarkable standard shit... probably why I didn't give a shit about what Nunes said and continue to NOT. :)

"The GOP never had any real intent on helping Joe and Jane Sixpack..

That's why it's a godsend that President Trump was elected... :D"

Oh come on Michale! You can't REALLY still believe that, can you??? If that were TRUE, then why is Trump only playing to his hard right Republican base??? Why isn't he reaching across the aisle to work with the Democrats and forge a coalition with them and moderate Republicans???

What a bunch of losers.

Who knew healthcare would be so complicated?

Oh, snap!!!! :D

President Trump pulled the legislation..

"I don't blame Paul".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-leaders-prepare-to-vote-friday-on-health-care-reform/2017/03/24/736f1cd6-1081-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.c90e2c6f39ab

You EVER get tired of being wrong???

Once again...

Cite???

It's hilarious how ya'all demand absolutely and triple-sourced PROOF for anything ya'all disagree with..

Yet ya'all spew total and complete nonsense and expect it to be treated as gospel...

Sad...

Ryan will get blamed anyway. If I were him I'd pull the bill rather than hand any of my guys over to Trump. If I were him I'd finally grasp that Trump doesn't care one-single-bit about anything but himself and how he looks.

But we'll see.

Reports are that even Trump has thrown in the towel on this one, blaming Ryan.

Cite???

Rachel Maddow: "The health care replacement plan only has a 17% approval rating - that's lower than Chris Christie."

After MadCow's totally bogus expose on Trump's "tax returns", it's a wonder she wants to even show her face...

Reports are that even Trump has thrown in the towel on this one, blaming Ryan.

We'll see.

…passing the health package first facilitates deeper tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations in subsequent tax legislation.

That’s because the House GOP health plan reduces revenues by nearly $900 billion over the decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), including $592 billion in tax cuts largely for the wealthy. Passing these tax cuts now as part of a health package allows the GOP to offset their cost through cuts to health care spending — particularly in Medicaid, which CBO estimates the House health care bill cuts by $880 billion over ten years. If these tax cuts were part of tax reform legislation rather than being in the health bill, Republican leaders would have to offset their cost…

Healthcare, schmelthcare! It's all about the tax cuts baby! That's what speaks to the wizened souls of top Republicans and, of course, the orange Tax-Evader-I-owe-Russians-a-lot-of-money-in-Chief.

On Wednesday, I wrote about the closing argument President Donald Trump was making to skittish Republican legislators. Vote for the bill, he’s been telling them, or you’ll lose your seat.

That night, I received a call from a Democratic senator. He’d read the piece, and it had reminded him of the closing argument President Barack Obama made to skittish Democratic legislators. Vote for the bill, Obama told them, because it’s worth losing your seat.

He goes on to explain the vision Dems had for the ACA and why they slogged through months and ultimately voted for it.

The Repubs have none of that. The piece ends: And so Republicans are left legislating based on fear rather than hope. They fear that if they pass nothing, their base will destroy them, and they fear that if they pass the desultory quarter-measure they’ve concocted, the country will destroy them. Beyond the tactics, beyond the process, beyond Trump’s crummy closing pitch and the House Freedom Caucus’s ever-shifting demands, this is their real problem: They do not have a plan worth losing their seats over.

ppppppppfffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttt

That's the air leaking out of ya'all's ideologically based theory... :D

Ya see what happens when ya'all ignore facts and logic and simply adhere to Party ideology??

Ya'all get embarrassed time and time again...

The National Security Agency has agreed to provide additional reports, although Nunes said the FBI has not yet agreed to his request to turn over additional sensitive intelligence reports on the Trump transition team.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/intelligence-reports-reveal-improper-political-surveillance-trump-transition-team/

Rut Roh....

"Do you hear that, Mr {Obama}?? That is the sound of inevitability"
-Agent Smith, THE MATRIX

The crooks always get caught in the end.. :D

I guess the "The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer" means corporations... Afterall they are people.

The GOP never had any real intent on helping Joe and Jane Sixpack..

That's why it's a godsend that President Trump was elected... :D

Cite???

Because, unlike you, I have the facts that show your claim to be BS... :D

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

The FBI hasn’t been responsive to the House Intelligence Committee’s request for documents, but the National Security Agency is expected to produce documents to the committee by Friday. The NSA document production is expected to produce more intelligence than Nunes has so far seen or described – including what one source described as a potential “smoking gun” establishing the spying.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

And, since ya'all have already established a pattern of accepting anonymous media sources, logically ya'all should have NO PROBLEM accepting this report.. :D Unless, of course, you are a Party slave who doesn't believe ANY media reports that support President Trump... :D

Ain't it a bitch to always be trapped by ya'all's own Party slavery?? :D

As to the information itself, pretty damning for Obama and the Democrats...

Cite???

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Thereby making it about me... :D

JL

Look on the bright side... At least the GOP'ers have dropped any pretense of helping the electorate.

Spare the rod, spoil the citizen.

I think the denial has a few more years to run. I mean, these people fell for the most obvious con man in over 100 years of American politics - do you think they are going to admit they are wrong now?

They are going to grab at straws that ameliorate their cognitive dissonance and amplify any minor shortcoming of their "opposition" until the truth is just too obvious to ignore.

Yep.

Look on the bright side... At least the GOP'ers have dropped any pretense of helping the electorate.

I guess the "The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer" means corporations... Afterall they are people.

Laughing so hard that he starts crying! I heard Boehner is Trump's spray tanning supplier, but that may just be a rumor.

Heh!

Poor Boehner, I have seen him cry so many times that I can tell you exactly what sets him off: anything that makes him reminisce about childhood. ¯\_(^^)_/¯

Laughing so hard that he starts crying! I heard Boehner is Trump's spray tanning supplier, but that may just be a rumor.

Here's your new sign Devin: IGNORANT YET APOLOGETIC TOOL

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