I only do that after the facts are clear..

If ya'all wouldn't prove it, I would have no argument..

Have ya ever noticed that, whenever I expose your rational fallacy and back you into a logical corner, you turn around and make the discussion about me, personally.. :D

What exactly do you think it is when nearly every one of your posts is simply referring to someone as a Party bigot or ideological slave? Do you actually think that referring to someone as a Party bigot or ideological slave in nearly every post is not making it about them personally? In nearly every post, you call nearly every poster a Party bigot or slave, and you actually think that this is some kind of logical corner?

Wow. You really don't see it, do you?

There are no logical corners in posting circular arguments over and over ad nauseam that do nothing more than refer to people as Party bigots and ideological slaves.

Think about that, please. :)

If you don't mind looking like a barking mad fool, by all means... knock yourself out. *LOL* :)

Have ya ever noticed that, whenever I expose your rational fallacy and back you into a logical corner, you turn around and make the discussion about me, personally.. :D

If you don't mind looking like a barking mad fool, by all means... knock yourself out. *LOL* :)

And again, I don't mind your opinion because I know it's borne of ideological slavery and not real-world facts.. :D

If were were talking about all Trump supporters agreeing, you would have a point..

But we're not, so you don't.. :D

It's a new day, and Michale is back to square one like a blank slate, arguing the same tired BS like it hasn't been covered ad nauseam.

If you don't mind looking like a barking mad fool, by all means... knock yourself out. *LOL* :)

If were were talking about all Trump supporters agreeing, you would have a point..

But we're not, so you don't.. :D

It does when it's a fact. FACT: Not every Trump supporter agrees on the same issues. Try to grow out of the idea of groupthink.

And FACT.. We're not talking about all Trump supporters agreeing..

We're talking about the fact that ya'all have been wrong about anything to do with Trump time and time and time again...

So, why should ya'all be believed now??

How could anyone be wrong about a 50-state sweep when no one here said there would be a 50-state sweep?

Actually, several people did.. And no one disagreed, so that makes it that everyone agreed that a 50-state sweep was coming...

I would go find the quotes, but we know how that goes... :D

If you actually believe the bullshit you've make up about a 50-state sweep and a myriad of other issues that you've ascribed to others on this board, you obviously couldn't... because you're so far up to your neck in your own bullshit that you genuinely have no idea of your reeking stench. :)

That's your opinion and I respect that.

But it's an opinion borne of Party slavery and unsupported by facts, so.... :D

Way to go, John M from Ct.

Oh, and, welcome to the site. I guess.

OR...

Of course not... :D

Correct. I don't concede THAT is a possibility because I know for a fact that "President Trump supporters" don't all agree on the same things, and now we're back to the same discussion we've had a thousand times about groupthink.

Ya'all saying the same thing over and over again does not make it factual..

It does when it's a fact. FACT: Not every Trump supporter agrees on the same issues. Try to grow out of the idea of groupthink.

Ya'all said over and over again that President Trump would lose the election and that NOT-45 would win in a 50-state sweep..

Bullshit. No one here said that HRC would win in a 50-state sweep. Not a single person; THAT is bullshit of your own making.

Ya'all were WRONG...

How could anyone be wrong about a 50-state sweep when no one here said there would be a 50-state sweep?

So, why should I believe ya'all have any credibility now??

Good question... for which there is a good answer:

If you actually believe the bullshit you've make up about a 50-state sweep and a myriad of other issues that you've ascribed to others on this board, you obviously couldn't... because you're so far up to your neck in your own bullshit that you genuinely have no idea of your reeking stench. :)

First off, my apologies for the long delay. The first comment from new users is always automatically held for moderation (which can take awhile). But from now on, you should be able to post comments and see them instantly.

Just don't post more than one link per comment, as multilink comments are also automatically held for moderation (to cut down on comment spam).

As for the substance of your comment, I'm about to post an article today which may address some of your points, so check it out.

Everyone else -

Because of my tardiness in freeing John M from Ct.'s comment from the filter, this means that every comment above [5] has now been renumbered by one. Whoops! So any indications in above comments where a previous comment is referenced by number will be off by one. My apologies to all for the confusion.

-CW

Ahhhh...

Funny how that always is the case.. :D

So you have a reading comprehension problem too, eh?

I said it was a myth that Romney was right, particularly since he walked back his statement about Russia being "without question" our No. 1 geopolitical foe, and I also characterized it as a debatable statement... probably why it also came up in the third debate. It was Romney's opinion, and he very quickly walked it back at the time. Obama disagreed with Romney's opinion, and Romney then quickly qualified his opinion. It's really not a "right" or "wrong" issue; it's a debatable issue. I don't give a hang who is right or wrong; that's not a hangup of mine.

Tune in to sometime in the future in a discussion of Russia when you actually deflect to this very same subject using that very same nugget of BS as if it's never before been discussed here. :)

But that's because it's a valid point..

Ya'all's ENTIRE analysis was colored by ideological and Party blinders...

And ya'all turned out to be wrong, wrong and WAY wrong..

So, am I to believe that, ALL OF THE SUDDEN, when ya'all have been dealt a HUMILIATING and DECIMATING blow to ya'all's ideology, ALL OF THE SUDDEN you lose your ideological blinders???

If anything, ya'all's blinders become MORE prevalent and MORE restricting..

Give me a SINGLE indication that ya'all aren't driven by Party slavery...

Just ONE...

Ya can't...

And here we are....

Ahhhh...

So, back then, Obama and the Democrats were right..

NOW, the world has changed so NOW Obama and the Democrats are right again..

Funny how that always is the case.. :D

Every day is a new day, eh? Nothing from before is retained, eh? Obviously there were Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and unaffiliated voters who believed Donald Trump's con artistry and lies about [fill in subject here]. Lots of people from all different groups believed Trump's lies -- state the obvious. This has been covered over and over ad nauseam. Are you blissfully unaware that you relitigate the same BS over and over like you have no ability whatsoever at retention?

OR...

YOU are wrong and the President Trump supporters are right..

Do you concede that THAT is a possibility??

Of course not... :D

OR..... Michale has no ability whatsoever at retention and has to be told the same thing over and over ad nauseam.

Ya'all saying the same thing over and over again does not make it factual..

Ya'all said over and over again that President Trump would lose the election and that NOT-45 would win in a 50-state sweep..

Ya'all were WRONG...

So, why should I believe ya'all have any credibility now??

There was also a time, not long ago, when the Left Wingery scoffed at the idea that Russia was our number one geopolitical foe...

I guess if nothing in the world had happened since Romney described Russia as "without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe" to Wolf Blitzer on CNN you'd have a point, but it has... so you don't. Romney went on CNN later to explain that it didn't make Russia "an enemy" and that "they don't represent the No. 1 national security threat."

** BLITZER: The last time you and I spoke in an interview, you told me that Russia was America's No. 1 geostrategic foe. Do you still believe that?

ROMNEY: There's no question but that in terms of geopolitics -- I'm talking about votes at the United Nations and actions of a geopolitical nature -- Russia is the No. 1 adversary in that regard. That doesn't make them an enemy. It doesn’t make them a combatant. They don't represent the No. 1 national security threat. **

Romney conceded at the time that Russia wasn't "an enemy," but people conveniently forget that fact. At the time Romney made the remark, Russia was not "without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe," which is why he revised his remarks later. A lot has happened since that time, and the myth that Romney was right needs to be put to rest since even Romney corrected himself when he made the debatable statement.

Funny how ya'all want to forget about that.. :D

Funny how "ya'all" generally can't stay on topic and want to deflect to another argument and funny how "ya'all" want to forget about the fact that at the time he made that statement, Romney walked it back because at that time Russia really didn't fit his description and he knew it.

So, I guess "sheeple" are not limited to the Right, eh? :D

Every day is a new day, eh? Nothing from before is retained, eh? Obviously there were Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and unaffiliated voters who believed Donald Trump's con artistry and lies about [fill in subject here]. Lots of people from all different groups believed Trump's lies -- state the obvious. This has been covered over and over ad nauseam. Are you blissfully unaware that you relitigate the same BS over and over like you have no ability whatsoever at retention?

OR.....

Don called it dead on ballz accurate and you are trying to back-pedal.. :D

OR..... Michale has no ability whatsoever at retention and has to be told the same thing over and over ad nauseam. Obviously, if only Republicans bought into the con, Trump would not be president. This too has been previously discussed. "Funny how ya'all want to forget about that." :)

:D

Didn't you quote House Intelligence Chairman Nunes previously as if he was an authority???

Nunes: Trump transition members were under surveillance during Obama administration

Nunes is going to the White House later Wednesday to brief the Trump administration on what he has learned, which he said came from "sources."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366

Since Nunes is your acknowledged authority, and Nunes says that the Obama Administration WAS surveilling Team Trump...

Well, I guess we agree that President Trump's tweet about Odumbo surveilling President-Elect Trump was accurate.. :D

I would not go as far as to say they bent the will.....considering that just like the security council everyone must be in total agreement...

And like the Security Council where Obama abstained from preventing the Anti-Israel resolution, the Palestinians bent Obama to their will...

You got it exactly right....

Ahhhhh

Yer attempts to paint President Trump as a Russian agent/mole have fallen flat, so NOW yer trying to paint President Trump as a mobster... :D

Do you have ANY FACTS to support this new and exciting accusation??

No??? Didn't think so....

I must say, though.. I DO admire your transparency in feeding yer PTDS.. :D

While you may or may not have meant an entire Party, it's undeniable that you meant an entire group of people...

Which is still bigotry...

There was also a time, not long ago, when the Left Wingery scoffed at the idea that Russia was our number one geopolitical foe...

Funny how ya'all want to forget about that.. :D

So, I guess "sheeple" are not limited to the Right, eh? :D

Well, Don, if you're going to agree with Michale that "everything" "applies equally" (your words), I'd say that says more about you than it does anyone else or any Party. If perchance you've confused my use of the term "sheeple" as meaning an entire Party, you're simply mistaken. :)

OR.....

Don called it dead on ballz accurate and you are trying to back-pedal.. :D

There are many parallels between Trump and Nixon. First and foremost in my mind, "it's not the crime, it's the cover-up."

As John Dean, Nixon's counsel during Watergate, said:

"In fact they are in a cover-up mode. There's just never been any question in my mind about that," Dean said. "I've been inside a cover-up. I know how they look and feel. And every signal they're sending is 'we're covering this up.'"

"This White House is not showing their innocence," he said. "They're showing how damn guilty they are, is what we're seeing."

Sean Spicer is now stating that Paul Manafort had very little influence on the campaign and characterizing Mike Flynn as "a volunteer."

Dean characterized this behavior as a red flag and says they seemed to have learned nothing from history.

"Let me tell you how predictable this is and how cover up-ish it is, because this is exactly what happened during Watergate. For example, when I had broken rank and became a public person out there, suddenly Nixon had never had any meetings with me at all, and then he'd had one or two meetings with me. Well, we had 37 meetings about Watergate, and he knew damn well we had been deep in the thicket of it, but suddenly they distanced themselves from it, and that's exactly what they're doing here."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga03NZrhnZk

This morning, Kellyanne Conway similarly downplayed Trump's relationships with J.D. Gordon, a national security adviser for the campaign, and Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser on the campaign.

Nixon lost control of the public narrative 6 years into his administration. Trump has achieved the same distinction in just 2 months, give or take a bit.

He's setting new records every day, so much so that it seems like he's determined to knock Nixon up a notch on the listings of worst Presidents.

Will they be able to prove collusion with Russia and Trump World? Time will tell, but there was a time not long ago when the sheeple moaned that Russia had nothing to do with the election whatsoever, and that mantra is fast fading into: but, but, but the Trump campaign wasn't involved... so there's some progress.

As Michale said in the previous comment thread, everything said about the Trump supporters being conned also applies equally to the Democrats and their refusal to accept that they have also been conned. A better question is which group of suckers, if either, will catch on first?

Well, Don, if you're going to agree with Michale that "everything" "applies equally" (your words), I'd say that says more about you than it does anyone else or any Party. If perchance you've confused my use of the term "sheeple" as meaning an entire Party, you're simply mistaken. :)

o there was an FBI wiretap in Trump Tower! Just not placed there by Barack Obama and not targeting Donald Trump. Between 2011 and 2013 the FBI had a court approved warrant to eavesdrop on a Russian organized crime and money laundering operation out of the 63rd floor of Trump Tower...What's left is a guy who almost lost everything and then clawed his way back with a lot of pretty unsavory money. Look at Trump, any of his business partnerships and really anything else and you keep finding Russians with tons of money and frequent attention from the FBI. The idea that Trump associates may have connived with a Russian intelligence operation against the US electoral process is such a shocking and singular possibility that it tends to obscure this pretty shocking set of facts that are pretty much in plain view.

Trump is a guy who has hung out with criminals for years. Separate from election-colluding, he's a money-laundering mobster-buddy. He's sleezy, skeevy and greedy. The GOP embraced him and he is an idol to a group of gullible, un-American, unpatriotic nincompoops. Shame.

There could be something to the LGM....

http://mashable.com/2017/03/21/alexei-navalny-green-liquid-russia-the-mask/?utm_cid=hp-h-18#kYmnf1jIxaq5

Ya know.. The ones that the Leftist MSM ignores.. :D

Yunno.. The ones that the Leftist MSM ignored BEFORE the election??? :D

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/20/democrats-blind-to-real-reason-america-elected-trump.html

You call it what you want, I call it what I want..

But the simple fact is, the G20 took a position based on what President Trump wants...

America First....

President Trump is keeping his campaign promises...

Whatta guy!!! :D

Vast majority of patriotic Americans..

Ya know.. The ones that the Leftist MSM ignores.. :D

You like to cite Rasmussen.

You know me. I don't "like" to cite ANY polls.. I'll tolerate RCP PoPs because it's an average..

But the simple fact is those polls have a HUGE credibility deficit... You remember what they said in the 2016 election, eh? :D

Regardless, I only cite Rasmussen because Neil cited Rasmussen...

50% is a "vast majority"???

Really?

Heh.

Trump's numbers have fluctuated in the RCP poll-of-polls. He got as high as 46 percent once, but is now below 44. Please tell me where is the vast majority you speak of...

:-)

You like to cite Rasmussen. Fair enough. But Gallup, at the other end of the window, has had Trump as low as 37 percent. That's lower than Obama ever got in his whole 8 years. And it's only been 2 months for Trump...

Of course, he's still way higher than Dubya's lowest point -- that's something, at any rate, right?

Heh.

Don Harris [31] -

The "LGM" phrase was floating around in reference to something completely different (and I was too lazy to look it up) in the past few weeks. So I just went with it...

:-)

-CW

I would not go as far as to say they bent the will.....considering that just like the security council everyone must be in total agreement....Withholding one vote is all it takes... Far from will bending.

Ahhhhh someone was paying attention!!! :D

"I always listen to you, Max. But you're not always right."
-Bruce McGill, TIME COP

:D

Like I said.. Rasmussen's 50/50 split is hardly "record territory" for disapproval..

In that, Neil was wrong..

As I said....

They cannot be trusted and have little to do with reality and the facts...

If they could and did, we would have a different President right now.. :D

How so??

Rasmussen shows a 50/50 split.. Hardly "record territory" for disapproval...

except about it being a rough time, not just for the left but for fact checkers.

It's an easy time for fact checkers if they didn't have to run things thru their ideological filters...

But at least we agree it's a rough time for the Left.. :D

factually, neil is right and you're not. except about it being a rough time, not just for the left but for fact checkers.

JL

I cited the poll that Neil cited..

The data he cited doesn't fit his conclusion.. I was simply pointing that out..

these polls, like all polls, fluctuate greatly based on the course of events. maybe the plan is working, maybe it isn't, but if you want to be factually accurate you'll need to find a new narrative.

It's Neil et al who needs to find a new narrative... The facts clearly support that President Trump is getting shit done... :D

I realize it's a rough time for the Left....

But facts are facts...

the data you cited don't fit your conclusion.

even the most favorably skewed poll, which you cited, ranked donald at half in favor, half opposed, with the approval index (strongly approve minus strongly disapprove) 7 points underwater.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

on the other end of the spectrum, gallup had donald at 39-56, 17 points underwater.

these polls, like all polls, fluctuate greatly based on the course of events. maybe the plan is working, maybe it isn't, but if you want to be factually accurate you'll need to find a new narrative.

JL

And even with crappy polls, you STILL quote them wrong..

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar21

Face reality, my friend..

The vast majority of patriotic Americans do NOT share your Trump Derangement Syndrome and are very happy with President Trump's job performance...

These are the facts whether you want to concede them or not...

Overall, 40 percent of respondents had a favorable view of the Democratic Party, compared with 60 percent who viewed it negatively. Republicans were seen similarly, 41 percent favorable to 59 percent unfavorable.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/324903-for-democrats-no-clear-leader

More than half of Democrats view their Party negatively.. :D

How harry-ass is THAT!!! :D

Like I said...

The Democrat Party...

Leaderless, rudderless, brainless and clueless...

:D

Iddn't it funny how Comey has a "backbone" ONLY when he does things that you agree with???

There's a word for that... :D

Yea, those are the same polls that said NOT-45 was heading for a 50-State sweep...

It's so cute how you STILL put faith in the polls that have been consistently WRONG.. :D

Nixon lost control of the public narrative 6 years into his administration. Trump has achieved the same distinction in just 2 months, give or take a bit.

Arnie is right, if this were a TV show he'd be looking for a new job.

I can't see the next week getting any better. It might be time for Putin to organize a terrorist attack on America by "bad dudes" to turn it around - but that might backfire now that Comey has found a backbone and is standing up to the 45-ers in his ranks.

:D

What a great time to be an American!!! :D

While the howls have been endless that Trump accused Obama of a “felony,” the one provable felony here was the leak of a transcript of an intercepted conversation between Gen. Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador.
-http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/will-russiagate-backfire-on-the-left/#zJ8j1TTSKw5CtoLC.99

The Left Whinery have been screaming hysterically since President Trump was elected about Team Trump collusion with the Russians..

I mean, if ya'all want to talk about de-bunked and totally bullshit conspiracy theories, let's talk about THAT one..

No????

Didna think so... Why am I not surprised.. :D

Ya'all get caught supporting a HUGE Left Whinery lie so ya'all are trying to deflect attention from that bogus conspiracy by blaming President Trump for some imagined slight...

But facts are facts people...

You can't ignore the facts just because they paint the entirety of the Left Whinery in a bad light..

Notable exception is our very own Altohone.. He has constantly driven home the fact that the Left Whinery had absolutely NO FACTS to support their hysterical accusations and that it was simply a way to extenuate the FACT that NOT-454 was an abysmally corrupt and incompetent candidate...

Credit where credit is due...

But the funny thing is this..

Those SAME exact people ALSO said that there is NONE... ZERO... ZIP... ZILCH evidence that anyone from Team Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election..

So, this begs the question..

Why is it that ya'all believe those people when they say something ya'all want to hear..

But you DIS-BELIEVE them when they say something ya'all DON'T want to hear..

Which is why I find it hard to take seriously any rantings ya'all have against President Trump..

Because I know that, with a few notable exceptions, yer rants are borne from NOTHING but hysterical partisan bigotry and severe cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome...

Donna Brazile Flatly Denies Giving Questions to Hillary Clinton

Democrats.. hrrummp.. What liars... And the outcry from Weigantians over this blatant lie??

{{chhiiirrrrpppp}} {{chhiiirrrrrpppppp}}

Yea... That's what I thought.. :^/

and scroll down to the very bottom of the story (the bit about Clarence Page)

Nice, CW!! National exposure... :D

Or maybe you mean the kind of crap that you spew when you take an alleged Right Winger and try to blame the entirety of Trump supporters for his/her actions...

It's hard to tell which "crap" you actually mean because there is so much coming from ya'all...

Irregardless, the simple FACT is that President Trump is YOUR president and there is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will change it..

Being full of hysterical hate won't solve anything and just proves how utterly decimate and devastated ya'all Democrats are...

All the hate and spewage is nothing but symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome..

And, as the facts clearly show, it's 20x more virulent than Obama Derangement Syndrome ever was...

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

And the media and the Left Whinery fall for it and get played over and over and over again..

Gods, isn't President Trump a genius!! :D

You mean the kind of crap that I spewed that Donald Trump was going to be President??

Or the kind of crap that ya'all spewed that NOT-45 was going to win in a 50-state landslide???

:D

Ya'all call it "crap"..

But in reality, it's nothing but facts.. :D

Short "tree-hugging" Mexicans.

45's belief that he got a standing ovation at the CIA is just too funny to me. The idiot didn't realize that it was his responsibility to instruct them to be seated!!!

"We are everywhere."

Heh. Peace, man.

-CW

Now check out the photo credit.

:-)

I've had articles reposted more times than I can count, but I think this is the first time someone asked to use one of my photos...

-CW

Federal investigators are examining whether far-right news sites played any role last year in a Russian cyber operation that dramatically widened the reach of news stories — some fictional — that favored Donald Trump's presidential bid, two people familiar with the inquiry say.

The bots' end products were largely millions of Twitter and Facebook posts carrying links to stories on conservative internet sites such as Breitbart News and InfoWars, as well as on the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News, the sources said. Some of the stories were false or mixed fact and fiction, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the bot attacks are part of an FBI-led investigation into a multifaceted Russian operation to influence last year's elections.

You know, the kind of crap Michale spews, right on schedule.

I'm sure Trump is convinced that he is president today because of, not despite, the behavior you've so carefully analyzed here. This is much to the confusion of a large liberal, educated, and elite segment of the electorate, to say the least - who've been predicting the "political price" thing since the Wall was first mentioned. I remember when his saying McCain wasn't a hero was deemed the kiss of death by the commentariat: political price, coming right up. ... or not. Not.

Either "paying a political price" is a meaningless phrase that doesn't actually describe how presidential power works, or analysts have no idea what they're talking about when they criticize this president. Don't get me wrong: I agree with you that this is bizarre and frightening behavior, and will be dangerous when the boy who cried wolf finally tries to convince the nation that he 'really means it this time' about a serious threat (I for one won't be listening). But it does seems idle to, essentially, scold the media and the public for not punishing Trump yet for behavior they've been rewarding him for all this time.

Benedict Donald

"Little green men"? *LOL*

At what point do the sheeple finally clue in?

I would posit that perhaps Trump is using his little conspiracies to suck all of the oxygen out of the news cycle to distract from all of the other bad news that would be coming out.

Just look at the pages for today for all of the big news groups (conservative and liberal alike) the Comey hearing and the whole clarification that there is no evidence of surveillance and the admission of the investigation, took focus away from the Gorsuch hearing.

Then there is the fact the congress in it's infinite wisdom decided that people who cannot manage their own affairs should be able to buy guns...or how about the house disapproving and repealing the Washington D.C. death with dignity act, The repeal of the Dodd-Frank requirement for Resource extractors to disclose payments to governments for the mining/drilling rights. What about the house repealing the HHS rule governing family planning grants?

Sure none of the stuff congress is up to right now is blazingly exciting but one has to wonder if it would be reported on more if it weren't for the news crack that is a Trump conspiracy theory. Would the coverage of the Gorsuch hearing have been more prominent....How would that shpe peoples opinions?

The media has shown Trump that all it takes is one wild tweet and the focus is on that issue, which takes the focus off of the rest of the picture.

We have a President who is the same as anyone's elderly relative/friend that got hooked on FOX and/or other rightwing outlets. They believe conspiracies, distrust all other news sources, and become huge pains in the neck for their unfortunate family/friends.