Because you believe that ALL Trump voters are racist deplorables..

More of your lies... so you have no real argument except your bullshit. Thanks for further proof of your ignorance.

Says the stalker.... :D

Ah, you have my pity... I got your history. I understand why that gets under your super-thin skin, and thanks for letting me know! Ochen zhal. :)

That's because you believe it to be true..

Thank you for proving my point..

No... I won't

yea, that's what I said..

You won't..

Because you believe that ALL Trump voters are racist deplorables..

I will say I believe there are Trump voters who are honest, and you prove daily that you're not one of them. LOL :)

Says the stalker.... :D

MANY people here painted ALL Trump voters as racist deplorables..

"ALL" Trump voters? Lumping people into categories is one of YOUR favorite tools. You were asked to stop projecting your bullshit onto others... so you responded by projecting your bullshit onto others.

*YOU* never corrected them..

Many people here called you a troll. *I* never corrected them.

Of course, if you want to admit that millions of Trump voters are honest and sincere Americans, by all means..

But you won't because you don't believe that...

No... I won't because I'm not like you, and attempting to function down at your pathetic little level proves nothing. I don't label groups of people that I don't know into either positive or negative categories; that's your bullshit. You need to try to grasp the concept that asking me to define "millions of Trump voters" I know nothing about is requesting I behave like you. Sad!

I will say I believe there are Trump voters who are honest, and you prove daily that you're not one of them. LOL :)

MANY people here painted ALL Trump voters as racist deplorables..

*YOU* never corrected them..

That means you agree with them..

It's that simple..

You made yer bed, snowflake..

Now you get to lie in it...

Of course, if you want to admit that millions of Trump voters are honest and sincere Americans, by all means..

Do so..

But you won't because you don't believe that...

This is who you are, snowflake...

Deal with it... :D

Then they are no longer of the Left. According to ya'all, they are racist deplorables.

Surprise, surprise... MORE LIES! Your painting everyone with a broad brush is so pathetic. It's the safe space you retreat to so often snowflake. LOL

Stop projecting your bullshit onto others. It's pathetic even for you.

Then they are no longer of the Left. According to ya'all, they are racist deplorables.

Surprise, surprise... MORE LIES! Your painting everyone with a broad brush is so pathetic. It's the safe space you retreat to so often snowflake. LOL

Stop projecting your bullshit onto others. It's pathetic even for you.

I responded to you on the "From the archives" thread.

A

New Democratic National Committee Chair Tom Perez and Deputy Chair Keith Ellison are taking their buddy show on the road.

If Ellison is happy, what's your beef?

Did it ever occur to you that there are bad actors out there who deliberately sow dissension -- who encourage Dem infighting because it weakens the counter forces to the traitorous GOP?

Some schmo somewhere says something stupid about Ellison (in this case) -- and stands back to watch the fireworks. Trolls/moles, traitors -- all trying to divert attention from the real monsters in all this. Don't play their game.

Then they are no longer of the Left. According to ya'all, they are racist deplorables.

Once again..

DUH....

You are having a LOT of "DUH" moments..

Have you hit your head recently...???

Much like the entirety of the Left Whinery is demonizing President Trump for the exact same reason..

You can't really be this obtuse! If the "entirety of the Left" demonized President Trump, he wouldn't be President... Some of them voted for him, slowflake.

Just like the Left Whinery did it when NOT-45 said JUMP....

Deflection to Hillary and some vague reference to god only knows what proves what? You really just might be that obtuse.

Use your brain. Someone trashes Goldman Sachs and then stacks their cabinet and top staff with several of the same people he vilified. Use your brain. Someone talks about draining the swamp in Washington of moneyed influence and then loads up his staff with SOS Exxon-Mobil, Goldman Sachs, and several of his billionaire donors. Use your brain... because at some point you're going to need to do exactly that, and deflecting to "but, but, but... Hillary" or deflecting to other topics like "AG Sessions" is going to be of little help to you. LOL :)

OAO

Great post.

This is absurd. The point of politics from the left should be using the tools we have to promote the power we can muster for policy goals. That means recognizing what works and what doesn’t work within the American system of government. It means accepting some losses while moving toward some victories while recognizing that losses can actually be partial victories. The DNC Chair is an example of this. Yes, Keith Ellison should have been our preferred candidate. But if you have created a situation where Tom Perez, a man filibustered by Republicans for being Che Guevara in the flesh, is your establishment, centrist candidate, you have already won a lot! It also means playing a long game. Change does not happen overnight. Taking our balls and going home because our candidate doesn’t win a largely ceremonial internal Democratic Party position is a silly, ridiculous strategy that allows corporate forces to rule the Democrats without challenge. Talking to no one but ourselves, hanging out with other Brooklyn socialists at parties in Connor Kilpatrick’s apartment sneering at sellouts who engage the two-party system, accomplishes nothing at all except making us feel good about ourselves within our own internal bubble. This behavior is to be avoided and replaced with a smart short, medium, and long-term strategy. Bernie himself is an antidote to this sort of behavior, with a career predicated on a smart electoral strategy and working hard toward better legislation and moving American politics to the left. How Bernie can be the hero and yet the lesson of his life is missed by so many of his followers is astounding, but explainable when we go back to the emotionalism that rules the left.

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President Trump is not going to survive this...

It is amazing you are ignorant of an issue reported widely and even raised in the DNC chair debates, and are at the same time attacking the victim, condemning his supporters with false allegations, and defending the establishment Dems who were involved and the policies that are at the center of the whole mess.

I will repeat what I wrote in comment 58 due to the obvious relevance-
The weird thing about projection is that you'd look even worse if you were aware you were doing it.

Insisting you are right when you aren't even paying attention explains everything.

A

For some...

But for the vast majority of Americans, dead on ballz accurate...

Much like the entirety of the Left Whinery is demonizing President Trump for the exact same reason..

What's yer point???

The fascist Cheeto has declared the "media" as his opposition so the sheeple fall in line; this ain't rocket science. LOL :)

Just like the Left Whinery did it when NOT-45 said JUMP....

Again, what is your point??

At what point does one realize they've been conned?

At the point when you have some actual FACTS to support the claim..

The recent hysteria over the AG Sessions lie that wasn't is a perfect example....

A statement breathtaking in both its stupidity and malice.

How many times has WaPoop and the NY Grime had to put out retractions of their bullshit claims??

You have that in common. Everyone makes mistakes.

The *ENTIRETY* of the media push their own agenda and facts be damned..

The media doesn't speak as a group, and assigning negative traits to an entire group in order to dismiss them all is demonization.

President Trump simply calls the media out on that and I have no problem with it..

Wrong. While I believe the part where you "have no problem with it," the fact is that President Trump and Steve Bannon have publicly stated that the media is the opposition party, and Steve Bannon said that the media should keep its mouth shut. President Trump is not simply calling the media out; he is demonizing them so that you'll dismiss them.

There was a time... a long long LONG time ago (2009 thru 2016) where ya'all shared my disdain for the LameStream Media..

It's oversimplification to lump everyone here into a group and to lump the "ENTIRETY of the media" into a group, but it does make it easier to push a false narrative and demonize and dismiss people.

But now that the media has proclaimed that they are the ATTACK WING of the Democrat Party, NOW all of the sudden ya'all (NEN) are in love with the media...

This, of course, never happened. It's true that Trump and Bannon have defined the media as their opposition, but it is a total fabrication to state "the media has proclaimed that they are the ATTACK WING of the Democrat Party." I can't speak for everybody, but I do think it's safe to say that no one here is "in love" with the media.

President Trump's approval ratings are not very good..

State the obvious... and ratings are very important to his fragile ego, and low ratings get under his thin skin because he has an unending need for public praise... just ask John Miller or John Barron. LOL

The media's approval ratings are so bad that the media wishes it could have HALF of the President's approval rating..

The "media" is not a group with a single "wish" but rather a collection of thousands of journalists, pundits, partisans, etc., and do you honestly think the majority of them give a rat's ass what the public thinks about their approval ratings? Some of them are doing their job to report the truth. While they don't always get it right, it makes them no different than any of us.

THAT should tell ya'all something about how patriotic Americans view the media and the press...

The fascist Cheeto has declared the "media" as his opposition so the sheeple fall in line; this ain't rocket science. LOL :)

THEY made the decision to be partisan and push an ideological agenda and ignore the facts and reality to do it..

Translation: Because Trump and Bannon lumped the media into one category and demonized and dismissed them, it's perfectly fine that that the masses do it. The fact is, it's by design... Fascism 101. Demonize the media as a whole in order to insulate the leaders from any negative facts that the press reports and dismiss actual facts as "fake news" while spoon feeding lies and calling it truth... pravda.

If "facts and reality" are so precious, why is it okay for President Trump to ignore them in order to push his agenda? What will it take for reality to set in? How many Goldman Sachs appointees does it take? How many billionaires? How much legislation with tax cuts for the wealthy? How many bullshit courses did it take until the Trump University students knew they'd been suckered? At what point does one realize they've been conned?

CNN has the "proof"!!!!

Obama Intelligence sources confirm that Candidate Trump was spotted eating at the Russian Tea Room during the election..

Democrat Leaders are expected to forward articles of impeachment immediately..

Stay tuned for more late breaking news on the story that is sure to have a DEVASTATING impact on the Trump administration..

{/hysteria}

STEP BACK.... LOOK.... UTTERLY RIDICULOUS

I don't think so..

By using the imagery of a wounded animal, Stephens is invoking sympathy for the "wounded animal" and implying that Trump is a scumbag for kicking a "wounded animal"..

If Stephens truly felt that the media was deserving of criticisms and attacks, he would have used more appropriate imagery than a sympathy-invoking "wounded animal"...

Does the President go overboard sometimes??

Of course he does.. That's who he is..

Does the fact that he goes overboard sometimes negate the FACT that his accusations are accurate??

Nope..

I know you understand the truth Stephens spoke of ... and, it hurts!

Stephens speaks HIS truth.. But he doesn't speak of FACTS...

Or, to be more accurate, he ONLY speaks of the facts that support his agenda and ignores the facts that don't support his agenda..

Typical of an ideologue

The topic of his address was intellectual integrity. His analysis was spot on.

No, the topic of his address is to attack Trump... He fails because he doesn't address ALL the facts...

Nowhere does he give the President any real credit for being mostly correct about the Leftist Media...

The video link is better.

After the speech, Stephens takes part in a Q&A session which should not be missed.

The topic of his address was intellectual integrity. His analysis was spot on.

We could use a little more of that around here, by the way, Michale.

Actually, he didn't ignore that at all.

I guess you missed the part where he said that when Trump attacks the media, he's attacking a wounded animal. By which he meant that the media is not without blame or undeserving of criticism.

Trump would get more mileage on this if he did criticize the media for the things it deserves criticism for. But, I'm sure Trump doesn't understand what that is. Sad!

Blame Bill for it? Why? How does Bill's meeting with the AG on the tarmac make Comey's actions OK? Two wrongs make a right? Three rights makes a left?

You won't convince my by trying to equate two wholly different things, Russ.

The FBI investigation into Clinton's use of a private email server was hardly a joke.

The joke is that Clinton lost a laptop and a thumbnail drive with all of those emails, don't forget.

Wait, that's not funny. That's incompetence. Where do you think those devices are now?

Get real!

I didn't watch it.. I read it. Well, most of it..

Completely self-serving attack on President Trump..

Stephens goes on and on about how the President maligns the Leftist press, but ignores the *FACT* that the Leftis press is DESERVING of malignment..

How many times has WaPoop and the NY Grime had to put out retractions of their bullshit claims??

Dozens, if not hundreds of times......

The current gaggle of so-called journalists have PUBLICLY STATED that their *GOAL* is to stop Trump...

Now, call me silly, but I seem to recall a time where REAL journalists' *ONLY* goal was the dissemination of facts and let the public make up their own minds.

THAT is journalism...

The *ENTIRETY* of the media push their own agenda and facts be damned..

President Trump simply calls the media out on that and I have no problem with it..

There was a time... a long long LONG time ago (2009 thru 2016) where ya'all shared my disdain for the LameStream Media..

But now that the media has proclaimed that they are the ATTACK WING of the Democrat Party, NOW all of the sudden ya'all (NEN) are in love with the media...

Put another way??

President Trump's approval ratings are not very good..

The media's approval ratings are so bad that the media wishes it could have HALF of the President's approval rating..

THAT should tell ya'all something about how patriotic Americans view the media and the press...

The media and press deserves EVERY BIT of scorn that is heaped upon it..

THEY made the decision to be partisan and push an ideological agenda and ignore the facts and reality to do it..

As such, they made their bed and now they lie in it..

TRUMP USED RUSSIAN DRESSING DURING CAMPAIGN!!!!!

CNN has the "proof"!!!!

http://neveryetmelted.com/2017/03/04/sessions-scandal-just-a-bunch-of-media-partisanship/

Begin impeachment proceedings now!!!!

Once again..

Step Back.... Look.... Utterly Ridiculous....

The New York Times has easily had several dozen articles since the election about the supposedly nefarious relationship between President Trump and/or his team and Russian officials. And I don't mean to single Pravda out particularly -- this obsession is all over the mainstream press. And it goes on day after day with stories of less and less consequence told in breathless tones like they mean something.
http://manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2017/3/2/what-is-with-this-weird-obsession-with-russia

Word....

The hysteria of the Left Whinery is truly something to behold...

What's so hilarious is that 4 short years ago, it was the Left who was downplaying any threat from Russia..

If only the Left would have listened to candidate Romney in 2012, ALL of this Russian spying and hacking could have been avoided.. :D

heh

They knew that real-world experience actually mattered and that the previous two men elected president had none or virtually none and that they were forced to pay a heavy price because of that truth.
http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-what-real-leadership-looks-like/

Gotta love IBD!!! :D

"FOUR LEFTS IS A CIRCLE, YOU IDIOT!!!"
-Nicholas Cage, ESCAPE FROM CHRISTMAS

:D

As immigration rhetoric heats up, the number of families crossing the border in South Texas has slowed down
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/As-immigration-rhetoric-heats-up-the-number-of-10986517.php

The President Trump effect... :D

Thank the gods that NOT-45 wasn't elected...

We have a HUGE Jobs Boom in progress and illegal immigrants are down to a crawl..

Life is, indeed, good... :D

All of the OBAMA intelligence community..

Haven't heard much from them since Obama took a hike, eh? :D

Haven't heard much from Russian Hacking from the Democrats either of late..

"Gee!! I wonder why that is!!!"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

:D

It's a NON issue. There is absolutely NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE that Russians changed a single NOT-45 vote to a Trump vote.

NONE.... ZERO..... ZILCH..... NADA.....

All ya'all have is a bunch of hysterical wishful thinking....

That's it...

No, it was a mistake.. It happens now and again and when it does, I apologize for it.

In that, I am unique in that amongst Weigantians. I actually admit my mistakes and apologize for them... :^/

Neil changed his AMERICANS WILL DIE number from 40,000 to 2,200 per 1 million in an effort to confuse and obfuscate the issue..

And, apparently, it worked. :D In my case, that is..

Apologies to Neil...

Remember A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR from Star Trek???

Klingons introduced an imbalance into a stable situation, so Kirk had to introduce a counter-balance...

So it is with the Bubba/Lynch issue..

Bubba introduced an imbalance into a currently stable situation and Director Comey was forced to introduce a counter-balance..

You ONLY have a problem with it because it was against NOT-45....

If Comey had did a press conference and gave a negative opinion on candidate Trump, you would be all for it..

Go ahead. Try and tell me I am wrong..

Yea, and Democrats would NEVER choose to attack ALL THINGS "Republican" rather than discuss merit, right???

Like I said... Do you HEAR yerself??

Yea... That's what Wapoop tells you..

ALL based on unsubstantiated claims with NO FACTS to support..

I never mentioned 20 million - this is pure fabrication, if you want another word.

It isn't his job, as the FBI Director, to tell the country what he thinks Hillary could have done better.

Well, SOMEBODY has to tell her.

Then he should have called her up and told her. He could have mailed her a letter telling her. Comey chose to give his opinion -- and that's the real problem here, it was his personal opinion being given attached to an official agency statement at a press conference with the cameras rolling. That was not OK.

It wasn't Comey's job to do so during the election! Comey stated that he wouldn't say whether Trump was under investigation as it would be inappropriate to do so.

Blame Bill for it? Why? How does Bill's meeting with the AG on the tarmac make Comey's actions OK? Two wrongs make a right? Three rights makes a left?

The investigation was a joke to start with...and even more so now when you realize the entire White House staff is using RNC servers instead of the official government servers for their emails. This makes guaranteeing that all emails are available under FOIA laws for public record requests almost impossible.

It is this political strategy that prevented Republicans from viewing the ACA as anything but evil! They could not risk confusing their base by saying something good about it or they risk their supporters starting to realize that Democrats can have ideas that aren't completely awful and unAmerican! They might start to objectively look at what each party offers this country and realize that the GOP is not the party for them! They need to keep their base from becoming informed!

Well, SOMEBODY has to tell her.

Yes, the smearing of Ellison as an anti-Semite at the request of and by Big Money (along with a promise to withhold future bribes) in order to prevent a Berniecrat from threatening their grip on power was disgusting and slanderous.

Projection rears its ugly head again.

And telling the truth, of course, is called "trashing the place".

Or maybe that was more projection since the Big Money Democrats have undeniably trashed the party right out of power?

The weird thing about projection is that you'd look even worse if you were aware you were doing it.

In the meantime, I'll try to think up an even more simplistic example to explain where you're going wrong on the false blackmail claims.

A

That's exactly what gets done when people start making threats to leave the party because of things like the DNC selecting Perez over Ellis. (In addition to casting all sorts of aspersions on Perez and his service as Labor Secretary as well as impugning the integrity of DNC members who voted for Perez). "We'll trash the place, then leave, if you don't give us Ellis! And screw putting him as #2, not good enough!!!!!"

Its blackmail with a dose of slander on top.

So let's review (again)-

Supporting the claim that Putin ran a disinformation campaign: all of the US intelligence community, now bolstered by international intel.

Against the claim: Trump, Breitbart, Alex Jones, Faux News, rank & file loyalists.

This is exactly what irks me about how Democrats operate.

Why to they need a partner on the other side? They sure as heck don't have one now!

Yep. It's one of those annoying things that seems to be an ever present obstacle. One of my many theories is that the overall problem stems from the fact that Democrats generally tend to be reactive versus proactive, which I believe happens because they respond toward the "average" or "median voter," taking their cues from poll results and the center versus their activist base. What plays in Peoria won't necessarily play in California, but the squeaky wheel should generally get the grease: You work for us!

RULES FOR THE ROAD
1. You work for your constituents.
2. The squeakiest wheel should get the grease.
3. Get a message... stay on message.
4. Always run like you're 20 points behind.
5. Unite the Party.

But, that shouldn't stop them from tabling a comprehensive "fix" and making their case before the American people. If the Dems are serious about what they need to do to persuade a healthy majority of voters that they are ready to get to work on the many issues and challenges facing the country then laying out their case for improving Obamacare is a perfect place to start.

Yep... but proactive is not generally their style because they want to appear to be the grownups in the room versus the hell raisers. At the very least, they should be repeating in unison:

We work for them, and we will not sit idly by while the GOP throws Momma from the Trump train and under the Billy Bush bus.

-- OVER OUR DEAD BODIES, NOT THEIRS!
-- FIX IT... DON'T NIX IT!

This is what was missing from the Dems during the presidential campaign - they failed to take the issues head on and deal with voters' perceptions and misperceptions.

And therefore failed to unite the party. They should have ignored the polls and ran like they were 20 points behind. Then it wouldn't have mattered what WikiLeaks or anyone else was doing to try to divide them.

It might help if Dems started talking about the nature of healthcare in intricate detail in an effort to dissuade people from thinking that healthcare insurance is like any other insurance. Because, it is not.

Oh, but isn't the devil in the "intricate detail"? It's difficult to discuss the healthcare issue due to the inordinate amount of propaganda and revisionist history rhetoric being bandied about, but that shouldn't stop them from trying.

At the very least, Democrats should be calling it "DOA Care" -- Dump On America Care -- and reiterating that everyone knew how difficult health care was except the guy who was writing checks with his mouth that his class wouldn't keep because tax cuts for the wealthy is GOP scripture and their answer to damn near everything.

Michale, did you watch my link to Bret Stephens' speech?

Not yet. probably won't til in the morning..

Just popping in here real quick before I put some steaks on the barbie.. :D

You don't even have any facts to support a disinformation campaign from Putin... :D

Of course you don't KNOW..

But does that stop ya from claiming total bullshit is factual?? :D

No(well maybe in the first case, we don't know). But it is a certainty that they both benefited from the dezinformatsiya campaign that was waged by Putin. You have all the evidence that you need.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to comment #41.. You really need to quote the comment rather than just the #.... It makes it easier..

But, in answer to what you posted, no... I don't think Neil, Paula, Kick et al have STDs....

heh :D

I disagree..

Sycophancy to NOT-45 has nothing to do with President Trump and was readily apparent long before President Trump was elected....

Do you honestly think that any anti-Hillary effort wouldn't? Putin would be guilty of espionage malpractice if he didn't. So would Trump, for that matter, but I have less surety that his people knew what they were doing (though they were, apparently, getting instructions from the Kremlin).

And you can PROVE this, right??

Of course you can't..

You have absolutely ZERO FACTS that prove your wildly delusional claims that Putin not only helped President Trump but ALSO helped Bernie..

Do you see this delusion you crafted??

It allows you to believe that NOT-45 is the victim of a WORLD-WIDE conspiracy where she is completely and utterly blameless....

I am sure there is a sound psychological term to describe it..

But I prefer to go with the apt descriptive NUCKING FUTZ!!!

President Trump AND Senator Bernie Sanders are Russian operatives..

*NOW* I have heard it all.. :^/

(though they were, apparently, getting instructions from the Kremlin).

Of course they were... :^/

I think your tin-foil cap is a bit too tight there, my friend..

Or else you have had one tee meeny martoonies....

Do you honestly think that any anti-Hillary effort wouldn't? Putin would be guilty of espionage malpractice if he didn't. So would Trump, for that matter, but I have less surety that his people knew what they were doing (though they were, apparently, getting instructions from the Kremlin).

Oh.. So NOW Putin not only aided TRUMP, he also aided BERNIE!!!???

Isn't that just SOOOOO convenient... NOT-45 is COMPLETELY blameless...

Do you even HEAR yourself???

And, of course, you have FACTS that prove your claim right??

{{{cchhhiiirrrrppppp}}}

Yea.. That's what I thought...

Jeezus...

Paula: again, spot-on. And the dezinformatsiya campaign continues. The effort isn't so much to suggest that Hillary made a few tactical errors, as it is to discredit everything she (and by extension, Obama) stood for.

Considering that we don't know yet the extent to which Putin intervened to aid the Bernie effort, one would think they'd tread more softly in this assertion.

I know this: it was brought to a vote nationally in the primaries last year, and a majority of Democratic voters chose the path that Obama and Hillary laid out. Those numbers don't lie.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that they believed documents published by WikiLeaks on Tuesday about CIA techniques used between 2013 and 2016 were authentic.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cia-wikileaks-idUSKBN16F2AP?il=0

You were saying, Neil?? :D

The 8000+ CIA documents that were released are 1% of all the documents that will be released...

Obama gonna do da perp walk!!!! :D

No, at the moment it's partisan conjecture..

Because TrainWreckCare HASN'T been repealed yet....

if they don't want people to die, they should propose a replacement that doesn't kill people.

And when TrainWreckCare is finally repealed and the GOP DOESN'T have a replacement, then..

AND ONLY THEN...

will you have a logical and rational argument.

Until that time, all you have is hysterical partisan fear-mongering...

that's not an assumption; at the moment it's a fact. speaker ryan's plan is woefully inadequate, does not have sufficient support from his own party, and people will lose insurance and die even if it does pass. that isn't an "if" it's a "how many." perhaps only half the number who would lose insurance and die in a straight repeal, perhaps more, perhaps less. the other 288 republicans in congress have proposed exactly nothing, and it's perfectly valid to operate based on what they've failed to propose so far. if they don't want people to die, they should propose a replacement that doesn't kill people.

JL

When you have a group of people who rarely agree on anything, agree on THAT, then that should tell you something about the validity of the claim...

I'm just sayin'...

There is a reason why everyone who has more than two brain cells to rub together reject this premise.

Because it's out and out bullshit with absolutely NO FACTS to support it...

Not-45 was a shitty candidate...

That's the beginning and the end of that tale...

President Trump....

The JOBS President.... :D

AND THAT is the rub...

"WITHOUT ADEQUATE REPLACEMENT"..

Ya'all are ASSUMING that there will be no adequate and ya'all are making conclusions based on that PARTISAN assumption..

And ya'all wonder why I can never trust anything most of ya'all say???

THAT is why...

You make up "facts" then make conclusions based on those fake facts...

So, DEMOCRATS are letting Republicans make Democrats' arguments??

WOW.. :D

Neil used the 44 thousand figure.

It absolutely is lying to say he claimed 20 million would die.

To be clear, I'm not talking about you.

A

You said 20 million Americans..

It's hard to keep track of all ya'all spew, what with yer Trump Derangement Syndrome being so acute and all...

For the record, isn't Trump the ultimate RINO?

Of course he is!!

That's what makes him such a great POTUS..

Almost THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND JOBS created in ONE MONTH!!!!!

Holy Crap, President Trump is awesome...

Suck it, Obama!!!!! :D

regarding your claims of "blackmail" by Berniecrats

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Let's imagine for a moment that you are one of two summer tour guides at a retirement resort in Colorado where guests can live out their lives.

Let's say that your job is to lead the guests on hikes, and that you get to decide where to hike and what to do when you get there.

You propose a hike for the guests to the top of a mountain from which everyone must jump off of a thousand foot cliff onto jagged rocks below.

If the guests respond by saying they'd be happy to join you on the hike to the top of the mountain, but only if they can skip the cliff jumping part... that's NOT BLACKMAIL.

It doesn't matter to the guests if you point out that the other tour guide is taking guests to climb into pits full of rattlesnakes.

And it doesn't matter to the guests if you will lose your job if nobody goes on your proposed cliff jumping hike.

Nor does it matter all that much to the guests if whichever tour guide convinces the most guests to go on their tour gets to become the manager and run the resort for four years, because the resort has a board of directors that puts limits on the changes the manager can make to the services the resort offers, and neither tour guide is offering attractive options.

Now, what is more akin to blackmail, or really attempted blackmail, is if you insist that guests need to take one tour or the other, when there is a brochure in the lobby of the resort that makes it abundantly clear that guests are welcome to take self guided hikes or even just lounge by the pool.

So, if you, the tour guide, want to become the manager, maybe instead of falsely accusing the guests of blackmail for not wanting to go on your tour, you should offer hikes that don't include cliff jumping.
Or even better still, hikes up to a beautiful waterfall like the guests are asking for, instead of just railing about the dangers on the other tour.

A

Obviously, in roughly 99% of cases people demanding “MOAR EVIDENCE” about the Comey effect are making the demand in bad faith, because no alternative hypothesis to “Hillary Clinton lost because, in her perfidious neoliberalism, she failed to understand that marginal voters in every jurisdiction in the country have exactly the same policy preferences and priorities as Brooklyn socialists” is ever going to be entertained. (Sometimes, this will be followed by demands that nobody else discuss any other variable either.) But the evidence that Comey’s intervention was decisive ceteris paribus is about as clear as any such counterfactual could be.

Stated so perfectly.

let's not call it a lie, just an exaggeration. it's nowhere near 20 million, but certainly north of 20 thousand per year will die if obamacare is repealed without an adequate replacement. liberal estimates exceed 40 thousand, while more conservative estimates start around 27. we're not exactly talking about another holocaust, but that's still between nine and fourteen times the casualty rate of 9/11, every single year.

JL

I mean that sincerely, I'm not trying to be facetious, here.

Cheers!

Seeing what is in front of all of our noses is an ongoing struggle.

Once again: Clinton did nothing particularly wrong in her campaign. She didn't ignore working-class whites. She wasn't too cautious on policy. She didn't overestimate the impact of educated voters. She wasn't complacent. What happened was simple: 12 days before the election, the FBI director released a letter saying he had found a brand-new trove of emails and implying that this might finally be the smoking gun about her private email server. That's it.

We'll never know for sure if James Comey did this because he's terminally stupid and didn't realize what impact it would have, or if he did it knowing full well what impact it would have. But he did it. And that's why Donald Trump is president.

Couldn't resist posting although I don't have enough smelling salts to go around so those of you who's violently reject the premise will have to take care of yourselves!

As more and more of Trump's unbelievably dense and unsavory ties to Russian actors and criminals are revealed we may eventually learn how far they went to throw the election to the GOP.

But, it is a strategy that was proven a complete and utter disaster in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Yes. They don't need to admit there were any problems with Obamacare - the Republican Party is already doing just that. If the Democrats give their solution, it will be recast as a "replacement" in an instant, and the discussion will be which "replacement" for broken Obamacare.

The Dems just need to sit this one out and let the American public see who is responsible for the mess that healthcare in this country is going to become.

Don't lie about what I said Michale.

There is often a lot of questioning here about what is truth or even if truth exists. There usually isn't much discussion about what makes a source of information reliable or trustworthy or what all of this means in the Trump era.

Stephens meets this head-on in his address in honour of the slain and great journalist, Danny Pearl.
http://time.com/4675860/donald-trump-fake-news-attacks/

Did you see the cowboy Berniecrat won the Dem primary to run in the special election for the House seat in Montana?

He seems like a good guy.

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Spot on.
I fully agree... particularly with the last part of comment 8 which can't be said too often because most elected Dems are still in denial about it.
I love it when you shine.

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I see.
Bernie supporters who insist on speaking the truth, who refuse to cave in before the fight is over, or who just disagree with you deserve to be insulted using a false, derogatory term and falsely portrayed in criminal and Orwellian terms.

That certainly sounds like the successful path to unity.

You should pass on your ideas to the DNC Unity Commission. A few in the Dem establishment may feel compelled to publicly disagree so they don't look like offensive lackeys of the corrupt, but don't worry, I'm guessing they'll secretly welcome the affirmation of their deeply held beliefs.

BTW, other than the corporate lobbyist Hillary chose to lead her delegation on the DNC Unity Commission (I can see why you "like her" because she "gets it"), she seems to be dragging her feet on naming the other appointees. Hillary doesn't seem to be aware of the urgency of a unified approach for the rapidly approaching midterms.

Bernie chose his appointees a while back despite having a full time job.
Is Hillary too busy commenting on Trumps tweets to help the Democratic party heal, is she still clinging to misdirected hostility, or is she trying to sabotage the effort by ensuring that candidates for 2018 are chosen before the Berniecrats can influence the process?

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From The Hill piece you cited:

“I think there’s general willingness to sit down and talk. I just don’t think we feel like we have a partner on the other side,” he added.

This is exactly what irks me about how Democrats operate.

Why to they need a partner on the other side? They sure as heck don't have one now!

But, that shouldn't stop them from tabling a comprehensive "fix" and making their case before the American people. If the Dems are serious about what they need to do to persuade a healthy majority of voters that they are ready to get to work on the many issues and challenges facing the country then laying out their case for improving Obamacare is a perfect place to start.

This is what was missing from the Dems during the presidential campaign - they failed to take the issues head on and deal with voters' perceptions and misperceptions.

This ultimately ends with some type of universal health care or "Medicare for all" type program, of course; it's not a matter of "if" but "when." Two steps forward, one step back... but keep moving forward. :)

I couldn't agree more!

It might help if Dems started talking about the nature of healthcare in intricate detail in an effort to dissuade people from thinking that healthcare insurance is like any other insurance. Because, it is not.

Moving on, the ultimate government solution to any vexing monetary gap is a lottery....the classic application being education. So, why not take the easy and FUN way out with medical care?

This could easily be implemented at the state level with scratch out cards sold thru convenience/gas stations for a one buck each. The most common message would be "sorry, please try again", but lower cost medical services would be fairly common to keep customers playing the game...."check-up"...."dental cleaning"..."remove precancerous skin lesion, etc." Specialist care would be much less likely, things like "colonoscopy", "bone fracture" or "appendectomy." Top tier payouts would be very, very rare, , things like "kidney transplant." Come to think of it, getting a transplant is Already A Lottery, so Just Monetize It!*

If the states want to collaborate, they can take the glitzy TV Powerball approach. This allows coverage for the really expensive medical products....."assisted living care at a nice facility" or "Hollywood Plastic Surgeon."

As the commercials remind will us every Christmas, Med Lot cards make great gifts! (Just remember that "facial reconstruction" payouts are pretty rare and you may get punched out).

* Sounds like a catch phrase from Portlandia, might be copyrighted, I'll have to check.

Is there a reason why Democrats don't offer up their own legislation to fix the problems of the ACA and make it more effective and efficient?

I know they have in the past, yet the majority of Republicans at that time were fixated on full repeal and refused to take up any legislation. Then there was also the problem of the White House being against some of the proposed changes.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/241524-dems-to-gop-were-ready-to-fix-obamacare-why-arent-you

The GOP is doing their revisionist history dance now and blaming Democrats for all the problems they refused to consider amending because they were more concerned with total repeal.

Seriously, a large number of GOP legislators would just as soon do away with it in its entirety and throw millions of Americans off their coverage, but the fact that it can't now be extinguished altogether means the GOP has lost this issue. Health care for Americans in one form or another is here to stay. This ultimately ends with some type of universal health care or "Medicare for all" type program, of course; it's not a matter of "if" but "when." Two steps forward, one step back... but keep moving forward. :)

Ahhhhh ANOTHER Republican Party civil war??

yyyyyaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn

Whatever ya'all need to do to take the focus off the D&D (Decimation and Devastation) of the Democrat Party

heh :D