"I am not claiming to be God or even your Knight in Shining Armor. What I am saying is stop looking for a hero and try looking for an answer.
And the answer is you will continue to get Big Money candidates until stop voting for Big Money candidates and start voting against them."

I couldn't agree with you more. That's why I supported Bernie Sanders in the primaries and not Hillary Clinton.

Indeed!

"Well, let's hope that champion emerges soon!"

AMEN TO THAT!!!

"Semantics.."

That sounds like someone who accuses you of being difficult about a technicality in order to avoid losing the argument about the essence. :-D

"This is why she lost."

Thank you, but I wasn't really disputing Hillary's many failures or weaknesses either. Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear.

I was talking more about the appeal of the LEFT's message in general, as embodied by both Clinton and Sanders. Her campaign did not resonate nearly enough, but I think the LEFT's message in general did in fact resonate, given the ongoing marches and town hall protests that we see today. It just hasn't found an effective enough champion yet to put it into actual practice.

That was the point that I was trying to get across.

Semantics..

The issue was whether or not Obama and/or his administration violated a court order..

It did..

And the funny thing is, President Trump's administration DIDN'T violate any court orders. My initial posting was regards to line grunts who said they were going to ignore the court order and continue to follow the President's EO...

It was never reported that anyone actually followed thru....

"Do you recall when the Obama Administration was chastised by a federal judge because the Administration went ahead with more work permits for illegals AFTER the court ordered it to be stopped???"

NO. But I will concede that the situation was not entirely clear. After having dome my own research on the topic, I found the following:

From World Net Daily, February 26, 2015

"The president’s plan to delay the deportation of as many as 5 million illegal aliens through memos issued by appointees moved ahead Tuesday when the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services announced the extension of a program allowing spouses of certain visa holders to obtain work permits."

"At virtually the same time, U.S. District Judge Andrew S. Hanen, who a week ago ordered federal agencies to stop implementation of the Obama amnesty plan, told plaintiffs in the lawsuit they have until March 3 to provide any additional arguments regarding the government’s request that he reverse his decision."

"Hanen granted a preliminary injunction that prevents the government from enforcing the Obama administration’s immigration orders. The ruling also confirmed WND’s exclusive report that contrary to popular perception, the order to delay deportation WAS NOT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER BY THE PRESIDENT. Instead, it was a MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Secretary Jeh Johnson at Obama’s direction."

Just to put a button on this ... ( a phrase, by the way, that deserves to be on the banned list ... heh)

If the left's message did not resonate, then Clinton would not have gotten 3 million more votes than Trump ...

No one disputes that her message didn't resonate.

Her problem was that her message didn't resonate nearly enough. Specifically, she spent an inordinate amount of time on the many faults of Trump when she could have been developing her own POSITIVE message. Instead, she opted for a largely negative campaign that essentially ignored a swath of voters and failed to inspire another swath of voters.

This is why she lost.

"This is factually not accurate...

Even if it WERE factually accurate, even if WA state was part of that, that is only TWO states out of 50...."

My information ALSO comes from the COOK REPORT:

“We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout, shortly after the election. “A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.

What’s with the delay? Several states, notably California and Washington, have liberal absentee and mail-in voting laws.

This is factually not accurate...

According to COOOK REPORT, NOT-45 had 4,269,978 more votes than President Trump in California...

Even if it WERE factually accurate, even if WA state was part of that, that is only TWO states out of 50....

IF you post the link and prove that Obama ACTUALLY ignored a court order after it was issued, THEN I will concede the point and admit that you were right and I was wrong, but not before.

Do you recall when the Obama Administration was chastised by a federal judge because the Administration went ahead with more work permits for illegals AFTER the court ordered it to be stopped???

That would certainly qualify and if you agree then we can come to an understanding...

If you dispute these facts, then I will dig up the link...

To go along with that previous comment I made about Congressional Republicans, I would have to say that;

Trump also seems to be ALL showmanship and NOTHING of substance, at least so far, in both campaign and presidential governance.

Only time will tell if someone like McMaster can help to change that.

"Yes, the Left's message resonates..

**BUT ONLY IN CALIFORNIA**"

Again, NOT TRUE. The 3 million vote margin for Hillary came from BOTH California AND Washington state.

Also, the current LEFT protests are taking place in areas OUTSIDE California as well, like New York, Chicago, Washington, Atlanta, etc.

Michale wrote:

"If you publicly promise to concede the point and admit I was right and you were wrong, I will go and find the link...."

IF you post the link and prove that Obama ACTUALLY ignored a court order after it was issued, THEN I will concede the point and admit that you were right and I was wrong, but not before.

But the link actually has to have some objective basis in concrete fact, and just not be some ring wing commentators editorial opinion.

She was pushing to regulate Drudge as if it were a political entity...

But she gave a pass to places like HuffPoop and Daily Shit even though they are BLATANTLY more political than Drudge..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."

Yea.. Cuz being called names and being viciously attacked and investigating my past is REALLY "logical and rational" discourse.. :^/

If the left's message did not resonate, then Clinton would not have gotten 3 million more votes than Trump, Americans would not be marching in the streets since Trump's election, and Republicans would not be having such a problem with their town hall meetings.

Yes, the Left's message resonates..

**BUT ONLY IN CALIFORNIA**

By all means.. If the Left is happy with winning California each and every time.. Yes, they DON'T have to change their message...

But if they want to... yunno... WIN ELECTIONS....

Then their message has to change..

I can't make it any simpler than that...

ACTUALLY NOT. Since you never listed any examples to my knowledge or cited any links to prove your point. If I recall correctly, you only said that Obama did, said it wasn't worth showing me any of your proof simply because I would not or refuse to believe you, and then you and I both left it at that.

You do NOT recall correctly. I posted the facts of Obama's ignoring the court order to cease the amnesty illegal immigrant program...

If you publicly promise to concede the point and admit I was right and you were wrong, I will go and find the link....

If you can't (or more accurately WON'T) promise that or if you try to weasel out of it by disputing what the definition of 'is' is, then yes.. I won't waste my time...

If the left's message did not resonate, then Clinton would not have gotten 3 million more votes than Trump, Americans would not be marching in the streets since Trump's election, and Republicans would not be having such a problem with their town hall meetings.

Thank you for stating so much clearly what I was attempting to convey in my discussion with Liz! Hillary wasn't the perfect candidate, but she has scared the crap out of the GOP since Bill was in the White House. They have spent the last 30 years doing everything in their power to keep her from becoming President!

I am just curious as to what it is about Hillary that causes such fear in Republicans? Was it because she and Bill were able to work with Big Money just as well, if not better, than the Republicans could? Was it because she could work with Wall St. while still implementing a progressive agenda -- making her popular with both the 1% and the other 99%?

I dunno, but just knowing how much time and effort the GOP put into trying to keep Hillary from being president makes me believe she would have done great...

"But I have every right to discuss the REPEAL of TrainWreckCare because ALL of the facts to date indicate that TrainWreckCare is in a death spiral and is a train wreck..."

Actually the FACTS don't prove that at all. There are many states where it is doing quite well in. For every state like North Carolina and Tennessee where there are indeed deep problems, there are also others like California, Michigan and Kentucky where it has been a success, where there is no death spiral and things in fact have stabilized if not actually gotten much better.

"If it had been done in a bi-partisan manner, TrainWreckCare wouldn't have been TrainWreckCare...

It's that simple..."

Then the goal of Republicans should be to fix it, not repeal it all together.

"You are not up on current events.. The Democrat Party has become the PARTY OF NO..."

You are the one with the ideological blinders on.

When the Republicans were the party of NO, they were effective at it because they controlled at least one of the Houses of Congress.

The Democrats have no such power. They can delay, but unlike the Republicans were able to do, they cannot stop the ultimate outcome, no matter how many times they say NO.

The only hope the Democrats have is the filibuster in the Senate. And a circumstance has not come up yet where its use can be tried and its effectiveness evaluated.

"Many people had the same exact fear about President Reagan...."

AND they were CORRECT. Even though I voted for Reagan twice myself, except for foreign policy, he was a disaster on domestic issues. He was responsible for both the largest tax increases and the largest deficit increases, up until that time, in history, as well as making the AIDS crisis both worse and longer than it should have been.

"Very VERY rarely does ANYONE here *EVER* try to reach me on a logical or rational level.."

NOT TRUE. We try all the time. Like with global warming. Or with Trump NOT winning an electoral college landslide. But you are so emotionally invested in Trump you respond with illogical nonsense about "context" and still insist on your original assertion. Nothing is ever going to change your mind until something actually shatters your emotional investment in Trump on an emotional level, not on a logical factual level. That's just the way it is. Only you can't or refuse to see it.

Michale again:

"Give you a perfect example..

You and I had a discussion before regarding President Trump's intention to ignore the court order regarding his Travel Restrictions EO.. You had stated that Obama never ignored court orders.. I proved you wrong, that Obama DID ignore court orders, just like President Trump did..

You reacted emotionally and ignored the discussion from that point on.. The LOGICAL and RATIONAL response would be to concede the point..."

ACTUALLY NOT. Since you never listed any examples to my knowledge or cited any links to prove your point. If I recall correctly, you only said that Obama did, said it wasn't worth showing me any of your proof simply because I would not or refuse to believe you, and then you and I both left it at that.

"They believe that Fake News, Russians and the FBI lost the election..

That NOT-45 was the perfect candidate and would have been a perfect POTUS...

The Left can't even COMPREHEND that it's their message that is not resonating with patriotic Americans.."

Neither I, or Elizabeth, or many others I am sure, believe that Hillary was the perfect candidate. Far from it in fact. Elizabeth would have rather Biden run, and I was a Bernie supporter. But we all do believe that Hillary would be doing a far better job now than Trump.

Fake news, Russians, and the FBI did not lose the election. But they are very much cause for concern now regarding their outsize influence in the Trump administration. Something that should be cause for concern for all patriotic Americans regardless of their political affiliations.

If the left's message did not resonate, then Clinton would not have gotten 3 million more votes than Trump, Americans would not be marching in the streets since Trump's election, and Republicans would not be having such a problem with their town hall meetings.

"I think we can make a claim for Reagan as well."

True enough. I was only talking about progressive candidates. But a case can certainly be made for it coming from the right as well. I.E. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" Also, people tend to forget Nixon's very effective "Checkers" speech, etc.

"They spiral into a fit of self-loathing, attack members of the party that don't share the exact same views as they hold as not being a "TRUE" progressive or Democrat."

Actually the same could be said to be even more true of today's Republican party. The whole idea of RINOS and the effort to purge the party of them, along with the whole Tea Party wing viewing any kind of compromise as treason is proof of this. That's why even with a majority controlling all three branches of government, they are still incapable of avoiding infighting, herding their cats together, and getting anything more than symbolically done. Maybe, perhaps, the electorate at large will finally come to realize this now.

"I have a few problems with this."

1.) The E.C. may be the world's largest economic power, but it is ignored precisely because it lacks a unified political and military voice, and still acts like 28 individual nations whenever any kid of crisis hits, something it has demonstrated over and over again since the 1990's. Nor is this ever likely to change anytime soon for a number of reasons. Until it does, it can't be considered as a equal partner on the same level as Russia, China and the USA. And despite the USA's support since WWII for a more United and therefore peaceful Europe, it is in fact not in the national interests of either the USA, Russia, or Britain, for Europe to be united. They have all, in fact, fought numerous wars over the years to prevent any single nation from dominating and uniting Europe.

2.) Here I would have to agree with you. Right wing Republicans and their most reliable voters seem to look at politics as a zero sum game, even in cases where it is most obviously not the case. Take civil rights for example. Just because someone else finally achieves equality, in no way takes away from or diminishes any of the rights that you have. The pie doesn't shrink and you get a smaller piece of pie than you had before. The whole pie simply gets bigger.

3.) While neither China or Russia need American approval to handle their own internal affairs. both of them do both still acknowledge that nothing of substance can be achieved internationally without American without active American participation or at least an absence of active American obstruction. Otherwise, diplomats the world over would still not ask, "What does America think or what is America going to do about this situation?" Diplomats still run to Washington to seek guidance in a crisis, not to Berlin or Moscow or Beijing, and that includes both friend and foe.

No, the fact that this witch targeted ONLY Republican sites and left Left Wing propaganda websites like HuffPoop and Daily KOS alone is on her..

She was with the Federal ELECTIONS Commission, not the FCC! She pushed for more transparency -- requiring campaigns to post only statements they know to be true and requiring PACS to disclose where and how these nonprofits spend their money -- she had nothing to do with going after any propaganda sites for either side!

Seriously, you might want to rethink where you get your "news" links that you claim prove your points... Or maybe take the time to actually read the article and not just the headline.

It's bad enough we have a president that makes shit like this up... If you have to emulate Trump, just spray paint your skin orange.

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/02/17/kansas-lawmakers-pass-big-income-tax-increase-as-budget-fix/

Big tax increases to balance the budget, because, as has been proven time and time and time again, giving your boss a big pay raise doesn't mean you are suddenly going to get wealthy too.

I think that the Republican Party has exhausted white identity politics and pulled every lever possible to hoard the power of its shrinking base. There is going to be a massive breakthrough of progressives who are going to discover the struggle and energy that they have let slip over the last two decades.

I'm convinced there is a 35-45 year old out there with the rhetorical skills, the big ideas and the charisma to thrive in the fertile soil that is the next generation of America.

We have to shuffle off the baby-boomers (my generation incidentally) and pass power to the next.

Neil,

... a visionary motivational leader from the center left could create a landslide in 2020.

Indeed. You're talking about an up-wing leader and I couldn't agree more.

... a visionary motivational leader from the center left could create a landslide in 2020.

Indeed. You're talking about an up-wing leader and I couldn't agree more.

(didn't mean to emphasize all of that)

... a visionary motivational leader from the center left could create a landslide in 2020.

Indeed. You're talking about an up-wing leader and I couldn't agree more.

Please replace another Biden presidency with another Biden presidential run.

Perhaps, I was just getting ahead of myself? Heh.

Or, it was just my imagination, running away with me ... :)

I just wanted to make that crystal clear, in case I haven't already. :)

I think the author goes with #1 and #2.

Even I would have to re-think advocating for another Biden presidency. I'm afraid his time may have passed.

The really big problem for Democrats is that they don't currently have a leader that is not of the Biden/Clinton generation. Hopefully someone of great substance and character emerges and soon!

Wise words, but there are two schools of thought about this:

1. Hillary was a bad candidate and just about anybody else would have beaten 45

2. 45 won because he inspired a movement so personal attacks are missing the point.

The author goes with #2.

I think #1 might be more on target, and a visionary motivational leader from the center left could create a landslide in 2020.

I think the authors are all too aware of that, Neil. They are trying and hoping against hope that they and others of like mind might be able to persuade the Trump administration to follow the path they set out, for the good of the United States and the rest of the world.

Do I think the Trump crew is even capable of analyzing the kind of advice that is being offered up here? Frankly, and sadly, no. But, I am not without at least a shred of hope.

We need to hear more like this commentary from others in a position to give advice to the new administration, persistently on a continuing basis. That, really, is our only hope.

[

The two authors call for a nuanced platform that creates a shared "win-win-win" vision for he U.S., China and Russia.

I have a few problems with this.

1. It misses the world's largest economic power, the E.C. Currently the E.C. has been militarily inert because it is in everybody's best interests, including the E.C. that Germany, France, etc. don't start ramping up a large military. They certainly have the money and ability to do so - can you imaging the German military prowess if they got going again - they have the most sophisticated manufacturing plants in the world. 45 has to stop all the anti-NATO nonsense, otherwise it will become a 4 way balancing act.

2. 45 isn't a "win-win" person - he is a "win-lose" person whose pronouncements (e.g. on trade wars and NATO) are really "lose-lose" but he is too dumb to understand this

3. Russia and China are quite happy to look the other way already on humanitarian issues and territorial activities outside of their sphere. They don't need our approval, and with a very weakened White House they are more interested in seeing how far they can get on their own before settling down to some new boundaries.

The authors are right in their vision, but the people and the situation are not conducive.

Just read something that is absolutely, positively, unequivocally EXCITING!!!

Now, every once in a while we agree on things and sometimes I'm even ... what's your phrase ... "dead on ballz accurate!" ...

So, I'm hoping you will find this commentary by Zbigniew ("Zbiggy" for short and with great affection) Brzezinski and Paul Wasserman (not sure who he is) as fascinating as I do.

Essentially, it says that the world needs a Trump doctrine and that Trump should give an address outlining such.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything these two men wrote and I can't wait to hear what you think about it!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/opinion/why-the-world-needs-a-trump-doctrine.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0

Missed that, the first time.. :D

Yea, the insurance companies and the drug companies really bought off Democrats....

You are dead on ballz accurate in that..

Bull puckies..

The Democrats spent the entire time "fighting" for a public option while the Republicans were "fighting" against it.

Bull Puckies Part II... Obama discarded the Public Option early on...

I was disappointed in your reply to what happened to Kennedy. I really thought I fed you a softball.
I was expecting something like:
Don,
Sounds like you need to "GET YOUR BALLS BACK"
"What's the matter, runt? You Yellah?"
-My best guess at remembering what Buford "Mad Dog" Tanner (Tannen?) said in Back to the Future 3

I wouldn't expect, nor ask, you to put your life on the line for my principles...

Given all the facts about TrainWreckCare that are available.... How can I not??

Or, do you not care about your fellow citizens who will be without healthcare if the ACE is repealed and not replaced with a suitable alternative?

And *IF* that happens, then I will address that..

But from all the facts available, it's NOT going to happen..

If it were going to happen, it already WOULD happen...

And, I asked you before but you didn't have a chance to answer yet ... do you believe that healthcare is a right that all Americans have?

I do not..

How can you know so much about TrainWreckCare and how bad it is but you know nothing about what should replace it?

Or, do you not care about your fellow citizens who will be without healthcare if the ACE is repealed and not replaced with a suitable alternative?

And, I asked you before but you didn't have a chance to answer yet ... do you believe that healthcare is a right that all Americans have?

We'll just have to wait to find out...

The problems here is that, with a few notable exceptions, no one wants to wait to find out. They are declaring the administration a disaster already....

The same transformational atmosphere, the same hope for change....

but if what you're saying were true, wouldn't the outcome be the same or similar as well?

It very well could be....

We'll just have to wait to find out...

i don't think i agree with that, but if what you're saying were true, wouldn't the outcome be the same or similar as well?

JL

I am not discussing replacement of TrainWreckCare..

But I have every right to discuss the REPEAL of TrainWreckCare because ALL of the facts to date indicate that TrainWreckCare is in a death spiral and is a train wreck...

My knowledge (or lack thereof) of any possible replacement is not relevant to discussing how crappy TrainWreckCare is..

Well, of course, you can do whatever you want but, there is no reason for the rest of us to take any of your comments regarding repeal and replacement of Obamacare the least bit seriously.

Why should THAT subject be any different than any other subject?? :D heh

But think of the situation NOW compared to the situation in 2008 and their are eerie similarities...

Until you do read it and understand it you HAVE NO RIGHT to discuss repeal and replacement of the ACA. Period.

Well, of course, you can do whatever you want but, there is no reason for the rest of us to take any of your comments regarding repeal and replacement of Obamacare the least bit seriously.

Ya see??

All the complaining about President Trump and his appointment issues??

Obama had similar problems and no one said boo about them then..

Because.... why????...... Obama had a '-D' after his name.. :D

These two promises were equal in the context of my point..

not all presidential attempts to keep them are equal,

This is true because President Trump has only had 30 days to keep his promise.

Obama had EIGHT YEARS... So the DIFFERENCE goes against Obama more than President Trump..

not all people have equal starting credibility - or loss thereof - based on their biases.

Not sure what you are trying to say here...

I don't know.. Haven't read it.. Probably wouldn't understand it if I did.. :D

Of course, there are differences.. But those differences are irrelevant to my point..

But when you break them down to campaign promises that were featured VERY prominently in the given campaign, they are identical..

And that breakdown is the totality of my point..

Do you think Paul Ryan's plan for healthcare is a good one?

JL

no, it's flawed at every point. not all promises are equal, not all presidential attempts to keep them are equal, not all people have equal starting credibility - or loss thereof - based on their biases.

also, the fact that the ACA has not been repealed in one month does not in any way prove that it is being handled responsibly - though it does refute the assertion that it's being handled irresponsibly, since as yet nothing's been done.

JL

And for those who would claim FALSE EQUIVALENCES, the fact that BOTH presidents ran on a platform of that promise (Trump w/ repealing TrainWreckCare and Obama w/ closing GITMO) shows that these two issues are EXTREMELY equivalent...

Again, is this not logical and rational??

interesting parallel, though it reads more like a deflection. yes, obama probably should have closed gitmo by now, and it's ridiculous to condemn trump for not keeping that campaign promise so soon -

Exactly..

But my point was not the ridiculousness of blasting President Trump for not doing something that SHOULD take a while, right aways..

That ridiculousness stands on it's own..

No, my point was pointing out the credibility of someone who complains about ONE president who hasn't kept a campaign promise after 30 days but yet gives a pass to ANOTHER president who hasn't kept a campaign promise in 8 years...

beside which, thousands of people a year would die as a direct result of a repeal.

Tens of thousands of people *MAY* die... And that is based on the VERY gross assumption that NOTHING will be put in it's place..

The fact that the Trump Administration *HASN'T* repealed TrainWreckCare right aways, PROVES that the administration intends to handle the repeal in a responsible manner..

both difficult campaign promises for any president to keep, both fraught with danger.

Yes, but the people here (Notable Exceptions Noted) *ONLY* give grief to ONE of those Presidents and gives the OTHER president a pass..

And if one doesn't hold BOTH presidents accountable equally, then the credibility of ALL the claims against the one President suffers..

That's all I am saying...

Isn't that logical and rational??

If it had been done in a bi-partisan manner, TrainWreckCare wouldn't have been TrainWreckCare...

It's that simple...

And it seems to me that Kennedy was saying we should not consider either side, we should just consider what is right.

But the problem arise when one side makes the totally bogus claim that the other side can NEVER be right..

I was going to point out that is what I have been saying, but then I remembered what happened to Kennedy.

Yea...

https://tinyurl.com/z76hmkt

You have absolutely NO moral leg to stand on for condemning President Trump and the Republicans for not repealing [the ACA]

interesting parallel, though it reads more like a deflection. yes, obama probably should have closed gitmo by now, and it's ridiculous to condemn trump for not keeping that campaign promise so soon - beside which, thousands of people a year would die as a direct result of a repeal.

both difficult campaign promises for any president to keep, both fraught with danger.

kaffee: grave danger?
jessep: is there another kind?

Whose fault is it letting the terrorists in?? The administration's for not doing enough..

So, you are saying you SUPPORT President Trump's order to restrict travel and immigration..

You just complain it doesn't go FAR enough??

OK, I can agree with you on that one..

Fictitious victims in Sweden???

WATCH: Rape and Violence Are on the Rise in Sweden
http://tinyurl.com/z5atylj

Nice.. Bout par for the course these days.. :^/

And if it DOES happen, it's going to be DIRECTLY the fault of ALL of the Left who opposed President Trump's EO....

You are sort of making my point Michale.

What is some terrorists come in legally from Saudi Arabia? Whose fault is that? The terrorists or Americans whose way of thinking you dislike?

Howz that GITMO closing coming along???

Obama campaigned on closing GITMO...

Guess what?? It's STILL open..

Oh sure.. Obama released some terrorists back into the wild so they can kill more innocent people..

But GITMO is STILL open, even though Obama campaigned on closing it..

So, unless you want to resoundingly and ongoing-ly condemn Obama and the Democrats for keeping GITMO open.....

You have absolutely NO moral leg to stand on for condemning President Trump and the Republicans for not repealing TrainWreckCare....

NONE... ZERO.... ZILCH.... NADA....

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed"
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

:D

That 'w' SHOULD have been a 'b', but calling out Left Wingers with that tends to upset the snowflakes.. :D

No, the fact that this witch targeted ONLY Republican sites and left Left Wing propaganda websites like HuffPoop and Daily KOS alone is on her..

So, what you are claiming is that it's ONLY Republican oriented sites that are full of lies..

The Left Winger sites are the virtue of truth....

That indicates the problem right there...

:D

The survey found that 61 percent view the economy as strong, against 39 percent who say it is weak.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/320284-americans-brimming-with-optimism-on-the-economy

Ouch....

That's just GOTTA hurt, eh!?? :D

All the fear-mongering about the market tanking and shriveling up if President Trump was elected???

Whaaa happened?? :D

Were the facts confused with wishful thinking???

Apparently.... :D

She wanted to regulate conservative sites on the Internet..

Of COURSE the Internet was in danger...

NO, she wanted to prevent campaigns from knowingly posting lies on their websites... The fact that they all happened to be Republican sites is on them!

“There’s such hatred for the man,” she said. “I just don’t get it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-supporters-see-a-successful-president--and-are-frustrated-with-critics-who-dont/2017/02/19/496cb4b4-f6ca-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html?

Yep, yep, yep...

The entirety of the hysterical anti-Trumpers can yell and scream and whine and cry til they are all blue in the face...

HATE will not win the day.... The anti-Trumpers might as well give up on that point..

Who would have thunked it!???

A reasonable Democrat in Congress!!

"Fascinating"
-Spock

That's the problem with most everyone here and ALL of the Anti-Trumpers...

They want the DEMOCRAT answer and won't even CONSIDER a Republican answer...

They threaten to filibuster the new president’s nominee for the Supreme Court, thereby egging the Republicans into abolishing the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees (as the Dems themselves abolished it for district court and appellate court nominees) so that they forfeit the leverage they would have down the road in the next nomination.
http://www.aspentimes.com/opinion/beaton-thelma-and-louise-and-the-democrats/

One can't imagine how much worse it could get for the Democrat Party.. :D

This is why Democrats will continue to lose election..

They are counting on divisive and hateful rhetoric and Americans are tired of the divisions and tired of the hate...

It's entirely likely that Democrats will never acheive the Majority or the White House in my lifetime...

Something to look forward to... :D

The anti-Trumpers need to come to terms with one single fact..

President Trump is in charge.. Not the media and not the Demcorat Party...

Get behind the President or get steam-rolled..

It's THAT simple...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

President Trump's approval rating has ticked up another point of a point.. :D

He's doing such a HORRIBLE job yet his approval rating continues to climb... :D

Kinda kills ya'all's theory that the people are turning against the President, eh?? :D

And if it DOES happen, it's going to be DIRECTLY the fault of ALL of the Left who opposed President Trump's EO....

It will insure that the entirety of patriotic Americans will turn against ALL who opposed President Trump..

It's not going to be pretty and the anti-Trumpers can't say they weren't warned...

The fact that she won those votes from a SINGLE state.. and the most liberal state in the country PROVES how bad her campaign really was..

To win, NOT-45 had to appeal to a broad section of the entire country, NOT just the liberals in a single state...

But NOT-45 thought it would be fun to INSULT a broad section of the entire country..

"You thought it would be fun to insult me, well now it is my turn, wise-ass"
-Walter Peck, GHOSTBUSTERS

:D

I believe Hillary ran an awful campaign. She had no positive message that rose above her negative campaign against Trump. She didn't go to the places she needed to go. That wasn't hard to say at all because it is the truth of the matter.

AND SHE HITS IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK!!!!!

Dead on ballz accurate...

:D

Listen,

I'm saying that referring to her campaign as a total train wreck (as if it had no redeeming qualities at all) is being dishonest.

No, it's being factually accurate...

NOT-45 **LOST** to Donald Trump!!

How can her campaign be described as anything BUT a trianwreck???

Give me ONE SINGLE positive aspect of NOT-45's campaign...

Just ONE....

And if you say she won the vanity vote, I will taunt you a second time.... :D

San Diego.. Actually, La Mesa, a suburb of San Diego..

Yup - stay somewhere safe - like ... Arkansas - wait no, their crime rate is 20% higher. Well there is the Republican Paradise of Texas ... no wait they are higher too. Well there is always Florida where you are nice and safe Michale ... except it is 35% more violent than California.

At least none of those states have to worry about their citizens being drowned in a massive flood due to the ineptitude and hysterical liberalism of the state government...

You watch. California is going to come groveling, hat in hand, and beg President Trump for disaster funds...

California wants to secede?? Let them succeed on their own without any help from that "Hitler" in the White House, eh??

Except for the fact that NOT-45 *LOST* to a candidate that has NEVER had a political post and has NEVER run a political campaign...

Yea, other than THAT, NOT-45 was a HUGE success!! :D

All of the polls were indicating that the Clinton camp was doing exactly what it needed to do to win.

No, not ALL of the polls....

Just the polls that the Left WANTED to listen to....

There were MANY MANY polls that showed Hillary was in trouble and Trump was going to win..

But the entirety of the Left, including EVERYONE here, ignored those polls due to ideological blinders..

It's just like the entirety of the Left, including everyone here, ignores the science that disputes the Global Warming theory..

It must be ingrained into the genetics of the Left...

When she out scored her opponent by 3 million votes, it's hard to say that her message wasn't reaching people!

But the FACT you can't acknowledge (it's a habit) is that those 3 million people were ALL in a single state.. The most liberal state in the country...

So, the fact that NOT-45 won the vanity vote is completely and utterly irrelevant...

- they were all funded by the Russians.

Prove it... You can't because it's TOTAL bullshit..

Give me ONE SINGLE FACT that proves Russians funded the fake news..

Just one...

She wanted to regulate conservative sites on the Internet..

Of COURSE the Internet was in danger...

I know you can't see that due to your ideological blinders...

See, this is the problem..

You are not up on current events.. The Democrat Party has become the PARTY OF NO...

This is well documented.. I would provide you with the documentation, but I know it will be ignored..

I understand that your ideological blinders won't allow you to see the facts, but they are the facts nonetheless..

So when are we going to see some action? Where is the new, much better Healthcare plan?

These things take time.. Look how long it took Democrats to create TrainWreckCare... It's not going to be dismantled in a day..

I would think that you would WANT your government and your president to take their time to do it right.

You DO want your President to succeed, right??

:D

Roses might be red
Violets might be blue
Corporations are people
Soylent Green is too

JL

I'm a bit out of sorts today, evidenced by my last few comments.

I'm taking a break from all of this for a while.

We can laugh at the moment, but if a real attack takes place on our soil (may it never happen) 45 and his minions are going to go bananas.

The Right Wingery already believe that unless you think like them you aren't a real, patriotic American. The highly emotional right wing nuts are going to go into a self righteous frenzy.

We will be told to shut up, that we are under attack, and we should blindly support 45 and everything he says and does.

45 will go completely overboard - I'm sure he will try to stifle the press and impose draconian controls over the minorities he points the finger at. All to puff up his own importance. His fanboys will love it.

We need to ensure that we point this out before it happens - it will be too late afterwards.

There were massive layoffs - 163,000, with almost 100,000 in Texas alone.

So the oil industry adopted technology from the automotive and aviation industry and got the breakeven down to $35/Barrel. And now production is rebounding, but not jobs.

This is why having simple people spouting simple solutions to complex problems seldom work.

Do you think all of 45's friends in the oil business are going to sideline their robots and new technology so they can hire blue collar workers and raise costs back up to $60/Barrel as prices rise?

We need 21st Century solutions for automation, not 1950's thinking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/business/energy-environment/oil-jobs-technology.html

I am not saying that there weren't areas that she could not have improved on -- not at all! I'm saying that referring to her campaign as a total train wreck (as if it had no redeeming qualities at all) is being dishonest. If her campaign was so horrific, then that would suggest that she scored three million more votes than Trump based solely on her likability...which would make even Hillary burst into laughter if she heard that!

I changed up LBJ's famous quote to fit our world, today, and I think it works.

"If you can convince the lowest American that he's better than the best foreign man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

I wanted Hillary to win.

I believe Hillary ran an awful campaign. She had no positive message that rose above her negative campaign against Trump. She didn't go to the places she needed to go. That wasn't hard to say at all because it is the truth of the matter.

Remember who she was running against - a non-serious know-nothing who just happened to be a bully and rude to boot.

If Hillary was running anything remotely resembling a well-managed campaign, she would be POTUS today.

Go back and check the comments about how she needed to change her strategy or lose - I mean as far back as the middle of 2016. There was quite a lot known at that time - enough to know she was in serious trouble, as I pointed on numerous occasions.

The Internet as a free entity has been saved!!! :D

Do you even bother to read these things you post?

This is about the FEC (elections), not the FCC!

She wanted to prevent political campaigns from being able to knowingly post information that it believes/ knows is untrue! The Internet as a free entity was never in danger!

I have no idea what you mean by that last bit. Unless you are saying that the Democrats had a great candidate and a wonderful message but lost the election as a result of factors beyond their control. If Democrats really believe that, then we're all doomed.

I mean that given what information was available at the time, I cannot see how Clinton's campaign could be called a disaster by any means. If you look at the campaign on an organizational level, it was extremely well managed. All of the polls were indicating that the Clinton camp was doing exactly what it needed to do to win. People who do not like Hillary are never going to like Hillary. I get that. So many Bernie supporters keep claiming that he would have beaten Trump, but Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, so we will never really know. When she out scored her opponent by 3 million votes, it's hard to say that her message wasn't reaching people!

The thing about 'Putin's fake news' is that, apparently, it wasn't fake. Unless I missed the part where anyone in the DNC or Podesta's office discredited the substance of the leaks. That's number one.

Putin's "fake news" and Russia's hacking of the DNC and Podesta's office are two very different things. The fake news websites that were created by foreign parties that focused on attacking Clinton (like the one that posted the story of the child sex ring she had supposedly funded in the back of a pizza joint) has only one thing in common with the hacking stories - they were all funded by the Russians.

Sheesh.
I only have one little quibble this week-

"Hoo boy. That may have topped all the inane things George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, and Ronald Reagan ever said combined."

And my quibble is simply that you didn't go far enough.

I think it's time to bust out the Dan Quayle comparisons.

Kudos on the Most Disappointing bit.
Clueless and/or corrupt establishment Dems will keep Dems in the wilderness (while, I'm sure just coincidentally) pleasing their Big Money overlords. I think a column on the possibility that Big Money is completely happy with Republicans in charge and that they haven't shed a single tear about Schumer and Pelosi prevailing in the leadership positions ... and about the dirty pool they are playing for the DNC job is in order.

"No matter who wins the D.N.C. chair position next week, we sincerely hope they are a little more in tune with what is going on out there. Because the Democratic Party is never going to win until they start to listen to the anger brewing."

OK.
A second quibble.
It's no secret that the Clintonites (aka Big Money establishment/status quo maintainers) are rallying behind Perez for the DNC job... consciously NOT listening to the crowds of protestors.

If Perez beats Ellison, Dems will get some more lip service about the problem you correctly pointed out while policies will continue to serve the donors not the people.

Perez can talk about it endlessly, but if you think he will support picking/helping good progressives or "primarying a few" of the corporate lackeys you are delusional.

OK... more than a quibble on that last part.

If Perez wins, a huge portion of the Bernie crowd is going to abandon the reform from within approach... and probably about half will take the force reform from without (as in no money for the DNC or state parties, only supporting good candidates directly) approach, and the more disillusioned half will put their efforts into a third party.

And, don't for a second imagine that the Clinton/Obama Big Money people will care if that means continuing losses for the Democrats.

So, "no matter who wins" is wrong.
It matters.
Hugely.

A

Where is your home town - you never know, it might be safer than you think.

Yup - stay somewhere safe - like ... Arkansas - wait no, their crime rate is 20% higher. Well there is the Republican Paradise of Texas ... no wait they are higher too. Well there is always Florida where you are nice and safe Michale ... except it is 35% more violent than California.

Damn, well at least Illinois is safer.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-dangerous-states-in-the-u-s.html

The Internet as a free entity has been saved!!! :D

Good news, the Party of NO has the House, the Senate and the White House so they can do anything they want unless they need a filibuster proof vote - which they haven't had to deal with yet.

So when are we going to see some action? Where is the new, much better Healthcare plan? Where are the heavy manufacturing and coal jobs for people who don't have a college degree? Where is the infrastructure plan.

You'd almost thing they were all hat no cattle.