"To the THROWN"???? heh

no, that's a hypothetical bridge i'm not willing to cross.

I know.. I understand..

But it's simply undeniable that it IS possible..

Citizens United, like Plessy, had a valid constitutional argument behind it but did decades worth of damage to the fabric of the Union.

Damage is in the eye of the beholder...

Time will tell how this plays out..

But it's undeniable that NOT-45's ascension to the thrown would have sealed this country's fate to nothing but another cog in a global machine no better than any 3rd world hell hole....

ANYTHING President Trump could do is head and shoulders above the damage to this country that NOT-45 would have wrought...

no, that's a hypothetical bridge i'm not willing to cross. Citizens United, like Plessy, had a valid constitutional argument behind it but did decades worth of damage to the fabric of the Union. Trump, like Morse, took a hopelessly laughable argument and tried to flaunt both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution. even that's giving it too much credit. at least bong hits for jesus was funny!

JL

Unless, of course, the WA v TRUMP decision allows a terrorist into the US that proceeds to use a WMD on American citizens and kills thousands..

THEN that would be a judge decision of some import...

Wouldn't you agree??

You miss my point..

I am not weighing the historical or societal significance of of the decision.. You are correct as far as you go that certain decisions have more impact than others.. I would point out that the determination of such impact is ALSO ideologically variable, but that's a discussion for another time, if you wish..

MY point is that, strictly looking at the decision of a judge, it's possible that 2 people may have differing opinions on the validity and/or the advisability of the decision and that each person's opinion (all things being equal) are of equal validity..

Is that possible??

ain't the same f*ckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same f*ckin' sport.
-pulp fiction

Can you see where someone could have the opinion that the 9th Circuit's decision was a "poor decision" and that opinion would be just as valid and just as "correct" as your opinion re: the Citizens United decision???

OK... OK.. Good...

So, a judge can be still "doing their job" but still make a poor decision...

So, is it possible that the 9th Circuit decision was a "poor decision"...

yes, but it was still a poor decision. people make 'em all the time.

JL

Let me ask you a question.

I know, I know, It's unlikely I will get an answer, but I am ever the optimist.. :D

Were the judges that upheld the CITIZENS UNITED ruling "doing their jobs"??

Or not???

lest it be lost and forgotten at the far bottom of last friday's comments section, that's why i suggested 20/20 as the name for the new lefty movement.

JL

See?? That's what you get for thinking......

Your too stoopid to be a former marine...

Still in "combat mode" luser??? :D

BBBBBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yet another lie you tell?

Do you see how we've been perfectly civil, having an intelligent conversation while you were gone?

Leave troll.

That about sums it up perfectly... :D

I just have one question for you..

Are you still in "combat mode"..???

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What a faux-Marine you are.. Yer a rough and ready keyboard warrior, eh??? :D

But I have to thank ya.. With your pathetic "combat mode" claim, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time..

Thanx for that, little buddy... :D

Go for it, troll.....

It would sure bring him down off his high horse. :)

You think?? Why don't you try?? I have already dared you to and you back pedaled like crazy..

What a sad and pathetic creature you must be that you stalk me and research my past, going back almost 2 decades to find ANYTHING about me you can use..

And why?? Because you constantly get yer ass spanked on a political blog..

How PATHETIC does someone have to be to do that??

But, by all means.. Post what ya got, sweet cheeks...

Prove to everyone here who is the sad and pathetic little troll....

I really feel sorry for people like you and Horton.. Your lives are so empty and pathetic that all you have in your lives is a political blog that ya'all troll...

It really must suck to be you...

And YOU trolled yourself. LOL

Let's see...

You make a bullshit claim... You try and threaten and bully me to run away...

I call your bluff and laugh my ass off at what you claim to have..

And it turns out you don't post shit.. :D

You have to admire the perfect way I played you...

If you DON'T post anything about me, you're a liar..

If you DO post anything about me, you're a troll... :D

You have been had, sweet cheeks.. :D

And what in the HELL are you and Norton doing posting here on VALENTINES Day!???

It must suck for you two to be so alone that your ONLY choice on Valentine's Day is to be with a political blog....

I spent a lovely evening with my beautiful wife of 35 years and her sister.... Had a very nice dinner..

I really feel sorry for you two that all ya'all had on Valentines Day was a political blog...

Really must suck to be you....

You have my sympathy and pity...

Dems don't have to be reasonable with their congressional counterparts as much as they need to demonstrate that lessons have been learned and that they know how to govern with the peoples' best interests at heart.

They could start by not watching Obamacare die a slow death just because it will make the Republicans look bad. They need to acknowledge the deficiencies of the ACA and outline what changes need to be put in place to make it more effective. Clearly there are problems with it and, as I understand it, there are viable solutions as well.

Anyway, the Senate Dems thinking they could be reasonable was foolish; playing by the old rules, being responsible, is a losing strategy, and their voters are fed up with it.

I'm curious to see how it turns out; Democrats have the numerical advantage, and if they can motivate their base to similar levels of the GOP the US is in for some swingy elections for a while.

"I don't know how anyone who saw that, A MONTH before the primaries start, can tell me that things *WEREN'T* tilted against Bernie."

I wonder if 45 knew about the dual FBI and DoD investigations? It's possible that Obama sat on that until the last minute, giving Trump the rope to hang himself with.

I mean, it was pretty clear Flynn was a huge liability, and that's before I knew about that DoD investigation into apparent payments from Russia.

It smacks of 45 just ignoring or not hearing what didn't fit his internal message.

I do have to say though; I think that 45's cabinet picks are like, 30% decent, 40% questionable but not offensive, and 30% cray cray.

Like, Tillerson might be a good SoS. Mattis is the best choice you're gonna get for that role (and I have read a bit indicating that 45 has been listening to the old man), and I actually like that VA pick.

Which (oddly for me) put me inthe position of agreeing with the Establishment Democrat's calls for not stonewalling 45's nominees, on principle.

But MAN, how bad at politics are these guys? It was clear an insider was riding up a huge hill last year; why not let the motivated outsider running on your side have a real fair shot? All it would have taken to really even out the primary would be the DNC ENFORCING RULES THAT ALREADY EXISTED.

See, there's a DNC rule requiring news media that want direct access to the DNC's organizational information (basically, to get the numbers and info straight from the DNC) not to report superdelegate's preferences as won for any candidate, since the superdelegate's don't vote until the convention.

Yet every single (Liberal/ish) website I went to, most notably the Huffingtonpost, included those Superdelegates in their math as though they had voted and were all locked in for Hillary already.

I mean Huffpo literally had a "horserace" animation, and before voting ever started in the DNC primary, Hillary's horse was 40% down the track.

I don't know how anyone who saw that, A MONTH before the primaries start, can tell me that things were tilted against Bernie.

You take that out, and I bet Bernie could have closed the gap.

Personally, I don't think superdelegates should say anything until their state's have voted; then, they should be allowed to comment as they wish.

And in a Trump v Bernie match, I think Bernie comes out ahead because they appealed to the same groups, but Bernie's appeal is broader.

I just think that there is quite a lot about this story that we don't know. The WH must know that speculation will continue until the truth of this matter comes out.

In any event, the WH must also realize that its credibility is at zero and going backwards and may even be irreparable.

The fact that we're pretending it's a surprise, when Paul Manafort was campaign manager, is stupid. Trump's campaign was in contact with Russia from that point on. I'm unsure before that, but Manafort is a Putin lackey.

Honestly I don't think 45 is colluding with Russia against the US; I think that his staff is likely compromised however.

Who doesn't like to inject a little controversy? Surely not any of us!

But, let's try something new ...

Keep to the countless critical issues we have to discuss, voicing our strongly held convictions and assumptions, leaving out what may or may not motivate us, ignoring - yeah, just ignoring - those contributions which only frustrate us and lead to places we don't want to go.

I first started following US politics in a serious way during the Iran/Contra affair. I still remember Oliver North sitting in the witness chair like it was yesterday! Strange how some things just refuse to leave your memory.

Anyway, I'm wondering if the connections between the Trump administration and Russia really do rise to the level of that scandal. Many things seem to point in that direction but, are we making the proverbial mountain out of a mole hill, so to speak? :)

So you are prostitroll? You troll for a living? Wow! I was willing to put up with your crap because every now and then you turned off the trolling and acted like a decent human being. It's a real shame that you aren't willing to let that person speak more often, because his comments were always well thought out and reasonable without needing to attack anyone else. If you actually believed the crap you say it would one thing, but knowing you'll say anything for money completely discredits your already factually challenged statements.

It depends on how their "tea party" coalesces, and if it's truly a national movement and not just an urban one.

I think we're going to find as time goes on that the people who voted for trump because they wanted any kind of change are going to find that very little actually changes, and what does change won't be to their liking.

Any way you cut it, the old power dynamics are dead, and 45, for all his ills, is at least going to jimmy loose the reins of control from the entrenched politicos, if only by showing how incompetent they really are.

The Old Guard is falling as we speak, and there is now New Guard ready to rise.

This is one of the most exciting times to be alive in all of human history, thanks to the internet and insane tech advancements.

Now, we get to witness something that has only happened a couple of times in our national history; a rearrangement of the parties.

PUTIN STARTING TO WONDER IF HIS PUPPETS ARE SMART ENOUGH TO PULL THIS OFF

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-starting-to-wonder-if-his-puppets-are-smart-enough-to-pull-this-off

“It’s my view that Reince is the problem,” he told the newspaper. “I think on paper Reince looked good as the chief of staff — and Donald trusted him — but it’s pretty clear the guy is in way over his head.”

This from 45's favorite morning read, the right-wing-nut-job NY Post:

http://nypost.com/2017/02/12/trump-ally-reince-priebus-in-over-his-head-should-be-canned/

Yeah, and so they probably recycled it from somewhere else, but you still win the Internet - congrats TS!

If 45 gets to a state of complete impotence but keeps up the pandemonium this is going to be a great 4 years. Especially if progressives get the House and/or Senate back in 2018 and 45 starts losing it even more.

I'm sure I heard the line during the Nixon debacle, it stuck, was retrieved from deep memory, I just re-purposed it. I can't source the quote, I suspect it was either Robert Klein or George Carlin. All comedy is recycled, none is really new.

Oh, I know who he is too.

Just adding it to the record so that others who read this can see how easy it is. Maybe they will Google it themselves.

I know, right? I posted 2 letters, and he trolled himself.

Should I post more than those 2 letters? It would sure bring him down off his high horse. :)

Theme song of the 45 regime:

"Another one bites the dust"

Kudos for my last three posts to: http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com/

Bloody brilliant. That one wins the Internet today.

"What did the President know, and when did he stop knowing it."

Just adding it to the record so that others who read this can see how easy it is. Maybe they will Google it themselves.

Michale all it takes to find those logs is a google search of "Michale Troll" and you're the #1 response.

It's hardly stalking.

Oh, let him call me whatever he wants. I couldn't care less. I am not a troll, just another commenter on this board. He knows who he is, and now so do I.

All I had to do was post 2 letters... 2 letters... LOL... and he trolled himself. :)

Exceptional!

Let's all thank his service to the homeland. Nostrovia comrades!

Take Flynn - he has the #1 shortest tenure in the role of National Security Advisor for the 64 years we have had the post.

Take that, doubting Lib'rals!

It's hardly stalking.

You going to post anything, Kick??

I don't think I need to. Two letters was all it took for you to troll yourself... I posted 2 letters.

2 letters E-Q

And YOU trolled yourself. LOL

Leave troll. You're trash and taking up space.

You're still the real troll here, and not even hiding it.

I'm just a commenter on here like everyone else. You just yanked my chain one too many times so I spent 15 minutes to find out who you really are. Nothing more.

I find it infinitely amusing that all I had to post about you was two letters, and you said all the rest. Congratulations... you trolled yourself! :)

Com'on!! Prove to everyone who the real troll is here..

Post totally off-topic crap that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING here...

That's EXACTLY what trolls do...

Com'on, Kick... Troll the forum...

Sad.

:D

I am actually flattered... I have a stalker.. It's been a while since I had a stalker.. :D

Pot, meet the damn kettle.

There's nothing decent about you, or these comments with you here.

You're openly admitting you're a troll, that you've always been a troll, and that you're going to keep trolling.

And then you want to insult people by calling them trolls?

You are a sad, pathetic man.

So, in other words.. you were LYING...

*AGAIN*.....

Your journey to the dark side of troll-dom is now complete...

You have become EVERYTHING you accuse me of...

How you been, EQ?

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Yer going back over 15 years to USENET FLAME WARS!!!

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You must REALLY have a hard on for me, sweet cheeks...

By all means... I would LOVE you to post your links.. Some of the best times of my life.. Made 3.8 million dollars my first year....

Of course, you would have to totally decimate the comments section with 15 year old Flame Wars from USENET...

But what does a troll like you care about destroying a decent comment section...

Knock yerself out.... Prove to everyone that you are EXACTLY what you accuse me of being...

Go ahead.. I double-dog dare you....

Yea.. Cause 'E' and 'I' are so close on the keyboard.. :^/

What you MEAN to say is you got caught in a lie and now you are lamely trying to cover it.... :D

No. I typed what I did knowing how you would respond. Obviously, it was not a typo. I just wanted a reason to type EQ.

How you been, EQ?

Like, it was never "true" that Trump would win over Hillary. It's an opinion.

No matter how it breaks down in the end NEITHER OF THEM ARE THE TRUTH.

You are purposefully misconstruing words.

You're a garbage troll.

Don't tell me, let me guess..

Banter Line, right?? :D

I would LOVE to find the links to that.. By all means... Knock yerself out...

I am flattered that you would go to so much trouble over lil ol' me...

Stalker much?? :D

How's about I do that?

Knock yerself out, sunshine.. :D

Your truth is not facts....

You're changing the subject. I would certainly change the subject if I were you.

Nope.. We're talking about truth... YOUR truth was that NOT-45 was going to win the election...

YOUR truth was a fantasy..

Just like any truth you try to come up with..

How does this drivel square with your rhetoric that everyone here has the same "Left Wingery" views? Careful now... you're undermining your own BS.

Yea?? Then why are you so aggravated?? :D

I must have hit a sore spot, eh sunshine?? Whatsamatter?? Truth hurts?? :D

Yea.. Cause 'E' and 'I' are so close on the keyboard.. :^/

What you MEAN to say is you got caught in a lie and now you are lamely trying to cover it.... :D

You will post YOUR truth..

No, pal, I will post YOUR truth. You are a troll. I think a good start in posting YOUR truth will be to simply provide a link to your prior stomping grounds where you trolled everyone there until they finally managed to be rid of you.

How's about I do that?

But YOUR truth was that NOT-45 was going to win the election...

You're changing the subject. I would certainly change the subject if I were you.

That's your entire problem..

You think YOUR truth is EVERYONE's truth.. And you attack anyone who says different..

How does this drivel square with your rhetoric that everyone here has the same "Left Wingery" views? Careful now... you're undermining your own BS.

He's already back to making up things about people, saying "we" didn't say anything, saying "we" had opinions that I've never seen anyone express.

IT'S RIDICULOUS.

Ya'all SERIOUSLY can't fathom the hypocrisy???

You see... THAT is what is frustrating for ya'all..

I ask rational questions like that, based on FACTS and REALITY and ya'all get frustrated because ya'all CAN'T address the facts and the reality...

So, some of ya'all ignore the facts and reality presented and some of ya'all make baseless accusations and even a few of ya'all make childish and immature personal attacks...

ALL because ya can't face the facts and the reality...

THAT is what it's all about here, people...

He's a liar, and a piece of garbage.

:D

So Flynn is a Russian spy!?? :D

It's hilarious... Four short years ago, ya'all scoffed at the idea of Russia being an enemy of the US...

What was it that was said??

The 80s are calling. They want their foreign policy back

NOW...

Now that it's ideologically advantageous, NOW Russia is the great enemy...

We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia.

Ya'all SERIOUSLY can't fathom the hypocrisy???

At the end:

...Flynn spoke to the Ambassador of Russia multiple times on the very day that the United States was about to announce additional sanctions on Russia.

Here is a clue: It takes a while to move a ship. Do the math yourself.

I didn't know what that meant. In the comments:

He is implying that the ship was picking up coded signals from a spy in the DC area. That is why 10 knots matters. That's just fast enough to keep your bow pointed into the wind (that prevents seasickness by reducing roll), without actually going anywhere.

Also:

And the fact that they are off the coast heading AWAY from DC means that they were a lot closer, oh say, 12 hours ago.

And:

Or that it was launched shortly after Yates told the Trump admin Flynn was compromised.

Finally:

Also, it allows you lots of time to sit and listen... just, listen.. to the conversations and communications all over Washington. Putin is probably opening his third bottle of Dom right now.

4 weeks in.

You get frustrated with my comments so you automatically assume my intent is to frustrate..

That is where you err...

However, his comments are largely intended to frustrate

That is simply not true...

But I understand that you believe it to be true..

Because the alternative is just too much to bear...

You will post YOUR truth..

But YOUR truth was that NOT-45 was going to win the election...

That's your entire problem..

You think YOUR truth is EVERYONE's truth.. And you attack anyone who says different..

Am I lying about Trump's IQ? No that was just a typo, I meant he had a low EQ.

Now do you keep up your BS with me, or do I tell everyone the truth about you? Your call.

But hay... Who here actually CARES about the facts... It's all hysterical Party ideology around here from ya'all...

I've just finished reading the board. Wow... just wow.

I don't think you quite understood my meaning yesterday, so I'm going to ask you again. How would you like it if someone posted things about you... with the exception that those things were actually true?

Translation: Keep it up. I won't post BS about you: I will post the truth.

michale [27]

The facts clearly show how wrong you are..

Or are you lying?? :D

Now do you keep up your BS with me, or do I tell everyone the truth about you? Your call.

That's not true.

However, his comments are largely intended to frustrate and we can all do without any added frustration in our lives. Life is too short and all of that.

And, yes TS ... Chris's columns are the heart and soul of this site. But, the comments section is a big part of why we are all here, to state the obvious. And so, as the comments go, so goes the site.

You voted for NOT-45.. She wanted Open Borders and a globalist corporatist new world order.....

So I assumed that's what you wanted as well..

It was a logical progression..

By all means... Set me straight.. :D

Oh, I didn't know we were playing "let's make up things the other person wants".

My turn: You want to strangle small children and eat people's pets.

Your turn.

If you get rid of President Trump, we will have President Pence...

If ya get rid of President Pence, we will have President Ryan...

So, be careful what you wish for... :D

If we're lucky, the old Establishment, the Establishment that increased the debt by trillions, tens of trillions, the Establishment that forced hundreds of millions of Americans out of the work force, the Establishment that brought in tens of millions of illegal immigrants and refugees infiltrated by terrorists...

If we're luck, THAT Establishment will be thrown on the trash heap of history and a NEW Establishment, an Establishment that puts America and Americans first will rise up in it's stead....

Any Establishment that wants to bring in tens of thousands of illegal immigrants and put them on government welfare while out veterans are DYING in hospitals and on the streets due to long wait times and homelessness...

An Establishment like that doesn't DESERVE to survive...

I understand your hope.. I really do...

But this is where the lack of acceptance comes in... The Democrat Party is decimated... It's in the worst shape it's been in, in over 100 years...

This is fact...

It's lost over 1000 political seats in the last 6 years... Not all of that can be explained by President Trump...

The Democrat Party needs to take a good long look at itself and give an HONEST assessment of it's problems and issues.

To date, it's been simply incapable of doing that...

So, while I understand your hope for 2018, the facts clearly show that it's a baseless hope, a fact-less hope.....

I don't want to see the environment trashed, the school system destroyed, deficits explode, millions lose their healthcare and Americans in more danger because of provocative and pointless foreign policy fiascos (Mexico, China, Russia and the Muslim ban). That isn't too much to ask.

But you DO want to see a United States with open borders that is simply another cog in a global machine, no better than any 3rd world shithole....

That's where you and I part company...

I don't want to see the United States like that...

This isn't an acceptance thing - this is an observation - albeit colored by my hope that we can clip the wings of this clown soon and cause confusion within the Republican Party to open the door for progressives in 2018.

I don't want to see the environment trashed, the school system destroyed, deficits explode, millions lose their healthcare and Americans in more danger because of provocative and pointless foreign policy fiascos (Mexico, China, Russia and the Muslim ban). That isn't too much to ask.

At least you finally concede that it's the Establishment that's gunning for President Trump...

But it's the Establishment that lost BIG time in the election and the American people simply will not stand for the Establishment and their dirty tricks any longer...

President Trump is your president. You need to accept that and realize that the Establishment is not going to save the Left...

Blood in the water. I'm waiting for the minute that Republican Senators and Congresspeople realize that 45 is weakening and they don't need to fear his supporters in their districts - especially if they are getting pounded constantly by their non-fanboy constituents every time they put their heads above the parapet.

This might be the tipping point, or it might just be the first major wound - there are going to be a lot of long knives out for him. The establishment isn't going to be held down for ever.

Yea, that's the spin...

More Lies About Puzder
https://economics21.org/html/more-lies-about-puzder-2205.html

But the reality is quite different...

If the Dems couldn't stop Sessions or Devos or Tillerson, what makes you think they have a chance in hell of stopping Puzder???

We know what you are, troll.

Yes, but as has been pointed out exhaustively and backed up with facts and reality, ya'all claimed to "know" a lot... Very VERY little of which has come to pass...

I had a similar discussion with my lovely wife on this topic... She thought that it was important that President Trump follow thru with who pays for it.. I remarked that, from a security point of view, it doesn't matter WHO pays for it, as long as it's built...

I said to her, "If we build a fence to protect your family, and it keeps the bad guys out, does it really matter WHO pays for it??"

She understood my point and agreed.. Smart lady... :D

Leave, nobody wants you here.

And we aren't seeing ANY fallout from BREXIT that ya'all fear-mongered on either..

So, why should I believe anything about "pain" that you claim is coming???

Let's face the facts.. The Left Wingery hasn't been much spot on about predictions of gloom and doom, eh?? :D

Maybe I'll just start reminding everyone of this every time you post.

It's not particularly relevant, because I"m STILL not doing what you do.

But I'm willing to. Because sometimes you fight fire with fire.

I dislike killing any living thing, but I joined the USMC knowing I might have to, because sometimes you have to do things you wish you didn't have to do.

And this is one of those times. I'm tired of it, and if you want to troll, I can troll.

Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn

TRUMP IS TOAST prediction #1134... :D

It seems especially apropos..

It's clear you troll. It's been made clear the only reason you're allowed to do this is because you donate.

What I said is true, and it shouldn't insult CW for me to say that if he wants to make a decision, he has to bear the consequences.

The greater question is why you completely ignored the IMPORTANT part of the statement.

Is it because I'm right?

Of course it is.

You know full well that nobody wants you here.

Are you too busy gloating over your trolling that you can't read the comments he was responding to?

Yet another bit of lies and slander; he wasn't accusing them of doing something he was doing, because he wasn't responding to you.

Thanks for proving me right.

How many times are you going to "IGNORE" me in this commentary, TS?? :D

You don't seem to realize that you are accusing everyone of doing the EXACT same thing you are doing... :D

You can't see it, but I am laughing my ass off.. :D

You know what you are, we know what you are, drop the game.