No, actually.

The troll has memory problems, but in reality, he started it... originally, and in this round of lovely banter.
I don't expect you to keep track though nypoet.

The funny thing is, I called the troll out when he lied about me by lumping Don and I in with the Hillary Democrats here when he dang well knows he is wrong to do it.

Apparently, he lost track of which lie I was seeking the apology for though.

Not surprising.

And, trolls denying they are trolls is just par for the course.
A given.

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Grrrrr...

But as you POINT OUT, he started it so I have no choice but to finish it, temporarily painful as that may be for the rest of ya'all. For that, ya'all have my sincerest sympathies..

My bust... :D

Using what definition?? In other words, any definition of "troll" that applies to me applies to every one else as well..

so please take it in good fun and don't retaliate.

I tried that.. For months.. It didn't work.. He just kept coming and coming..

So I had to take matters into my own hands...

On the other hand, if Weigantians condemn his trollings as they happen, anything *I* do would simply be redundant so I wouldn't bother...

Irregardless (where is STIG when ya need 'im?? :D) it will end when his trollings end...

JL (troll asshole #3)

"Haarddly"
-Simon, DIE HARD 3: WITH A VENGEANCE

I know it's annoying to ya'all and for that, I apologize.. But as you not, he started it so I have no choice but to finish it, temporarily painful as that may be for the rest of ya'all. For that, ya'all have my sincerest sympathies..

:D

alto, you started the name-calling this round, so you're most at fault. no one will take your arguments seriously if they sound like they originated on the schoolyard.

michale, in all fairness your argument sometimes does fall into a bit of trollery, so please take it in good fun and don't retaliate.

thanks for your support.

JL (troll asshole #3)

I've substantiated your trollery.
Your claim that you're not a troll is the lie.

Not only do you not know what a fact is, you don't know what a lie is.

Yea.. You spew that lie constantly..

Yet you never have ANY proof..

Ergo, you are lying...

So, I take it you're passing on my offer?

What offer?? All I read was mewling whimpers from a little boy who is incapable of having an adult and mature conversation...

The only "offer" that is relevant here is for you to cease your childish and immature personal attack bullshit.. Then I will cease responding in kind..

It's yer call, dickless... :D

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick"
-Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS

:D heh

You've got the troll is flailing nicely.

First he simply repeats the claim about his nonsensical weather prediction "fact" you debunked, and then insists pure conjecture is also a "fact".

Sort of puts all his "facts" into perspective.

Pretty funny he's doing this under a column about facts.

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I've substantiated your trollery.
Your claim that you're not a troll is the lie.

Not only do you not know what a fact is, you don't know what a lie is.

Claiming you don't need to defend Trump, and then insisting you're doing a great job at it?
Another whopper. Proving yourself to be a liar again and again must get tedious.

So, I take it you're passing on my offer?

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If all that hysterical fanboi-ism sounds familiar??

It's what ya'all have been sounding like the last 8 years... :D

It's not funny now that the cat's on the other foot, eh?!? :D

http://ilovemyfreedom.org/lol-cant-miss-hilarious-edition-bad-lip-reading-inauguration-day/

This is HILARIOUS!!! :D

And, once again, the wisdom of President Trump shines thru...

Odumbo had a phone and a pen and that is ALL Odumbo had.

President Trump knows people.. Knows how to get along with people and to get people to do what he wants, not by threats or intimidation but rather by TALKING to them and getting to know them and making them decide to follow the President..

And it works...

When was the last time UNION LEADERS gave a GOP President such a glowing review???

President Trump is going to be a president up there with the likes of Reagan and Lincoln and Washington...

What he said...

President Trump is a shoe-in for 8 years as POTUS! :D

Hell, the President even has the UNIONS singing his praises!!!

It's time to face reality, people... Your TRUMP IS TOAST predictions will NEVER come true... :D

The same executive order “directs that federal funds be withheld from cities and counties that don’t cooperate with immigration officials,” Patch reports.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/trump-orders-weekly-list-crimes-committed-illegals-sanctuary-cities/

I LOVE this President!!!!

This is JUST what is needed...

NO, those are NOT FACTS.

It's the prediction that's the fact..

NO THEY ARE NOT. ONLY ONE IS A FACT. THE OTHER IS A FALSEHOOD.

Nope.. They are both Facts..

One count was taken at the height of the inauguration, the other count was taken right at the beginning of the inauguration..

BOTH counts are fact...

To assert that photos were cherry picked and taken at different times, ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE. IN FACT, the two comparison photos were NOT taken way before Trump's inauguration had started. That has not even been credibly asserted by ANYONE.

I am not saying that THAT is what happened.. I am simply giving a logical and rational reason for the disparity in the photos..

And given the FACT that we KNOW that the Leftist MSM will manipulate the facts and outright LIE to attack Trump, it's highly likely that this is EXACTLY what occurred..

YOU are REALLY reaching here Michale to try to justify an untenable position on your part.

Not at all.. I am simply bringing to the table something VERY sorely needed..

Logic and rational thought amidst all the hysterical partisanship...

Source??

His approval rating is at 57% and rising...

Source.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-three percent (43%) disapprove.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan25

Like I said, Trump's approval numbers are higher than Obama's... Shove THAT in yer pipe and smoke it.. :D

And you keep ignoring the point because it totally demolishes yer argument.. :D

Except that is an alternate fact, or we we non-BS types call it, a lie.

No, it's not. To BOTH of your points..

Trump's approval rating is in the toilet.

There were massive marches against him over the weekend.

Yea.. Foul-mouthed people making terrorist threats while dressed up as vaginas...

Those are the people against Trump... :D

When the Republican Party is done with Trump they will throw him out - he is already becoming a liability, but he will be a useful scapegoat for all the unhappy people for the next year or so as they put their weasely agenda in place (gut healthcare, tax breaks for the rich, cut corporate taxes, remove regulations their owners do't like, etc.).

TRUMP IS TOAST prediction #745

:D

"Of course, if one cherry picks the photos......

For example, take a photo from the HEIGHT of Obama's inauguration and take a photo from WAY before Trump inauguration starts and viola.. You have "proof" that Obama's inauguration was bigger..."

To assert that photos were cherry picked and taken at different times, ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE. IN FACT, the two comparison photos were NOT taken way before Trump's inauguration had started. That has not even been credibly asserted by ANYONE.

YOU are REALLY reaching here Michale to try to justify an untenable position on your part.

"For example, weatherunderground dot com says the high today is going to be 77... That's a fact..

An ALTERNATE of that fact can be found at weather dot com. Which says the high is going to be 82.. That an alternative to the first fact, but it's also a fact in itself..."

NO, those are NOT FACTS. Those are FORECASTS, otherwise known as PREDICTIONS. A Fact would be AFTER the temperature has already occurred and has been MEASURED. ONLY THEN does it become a FACT, at which point there is NO SUCH THING AS AN ALTERNATIVE FACT, ANY OTHER temperature IS IMAGINARY.

"It's a fact that President Trump's inauguration had, say, 2 million people...

It's an alternative fact that President Trump's inauguration had 500,000 people..

Both are factual.."

NO THEY ARE NOT. ONLY ONE IS A FACT. THE OTHER IS A FALSEHOOD.

You can believe the Earth is FLAT all you want, BUT THAT DOES NOT NEGATE REALITY and make it TRUE, just because it is what you want to believe.

Source.

If we were talking about JUST a 2 year old, you would have a point.. But we're not, so you don't...

I am. I'm talking about an American family adopting a Syrian boy or girl - an under 5-year-old.

Trump just stopped them from saving a kid's life or at a minimum giving a poor kid a chance.

All for a chest-thumping opportunity.

Are you happy about this?

Except that is an alternate fact, or we we non-BS types call it, a lie.

Trump's approval rating is in the toilet. There were massive marches against him over the weekend. Even the right wing were complaining that there weren't safe spaces for their anti-abortion groups that wanted to march against Trump - that takes some going.

Politics is a dirty game. When the Republican Party is done with Trump they will throw him out - he is already becoming a liability, but he will be a useful scapegoat for all the unhappy people for the next year or so as they put their weasely agenda in place (gut healthcare, tax breaks for the rich, cut corporate taxes, remove regulations their owners do't like, etc.).

You sound like a little girl at a Bieber concert.

Neil?? You want to tell Balthy how his childish and immature name-calling reflects poorly on him, not on Trump..

Of course you don't.. That only applies when Left Wingers are called names..

Balthy,

Of course Trump knows it.. But, unlike Odumbo, whose executive orders were struck down by the courts, Trump's will pass the court test...

All of the sudden, you don't like Executive Orders???

WOW... WHO could have predicted that??

Oh... wait.. :D

Every good dictator likes to make it rain on his followers, and the Trumpettes are getting drenched with one goodie after another right now. Get fat on it, dudes, feast like there's no tomorrow...

So, you concede that Trump is keeping all his promises... :D

You can't win.... I have facts and reality on my side...

What's he gonna do when he runs out of low hanging fruit? It's still a democracy, as inconvenient as that sounds...

It wasn't inconvenient for Odumbo and the DumboCrats.. They just rolled right over it..

But Trump has the American people behind him...

Odumbo and the DumboCrats did not...

I am perfectly calm...

It's you Left Wingers that are hysterical..

TRUMP IS EVIL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A DOG!!!

Jeezus... :^/

Trump is a proven con man - you know that is true when you take off your rose colored glasses.

Trump beat THE BIGGEST and MEANEST Political Juggernaut in the history of the planet..

A fact you CONSTANTLY ignore..

He might be legit in his new role, but you have to be a lot less gullible than you have been so far - he has a lot to prove before his approval rating comes out of the toilet for the vast majority of regular, no BS Americans.

His approval rating is at 57% and rising...

You're predictions are just like all your other predictions...

NOT COMING TO PASS... :D

What danger is a 2-year-old Syrian orphan boy or girl to the U.S.?

If we were talking about JUST a 2 year old, you would have a point.. But we're not, so you don't...

I hope that someone has told the Orange One that all of these executive orders are subject to review by the courts (even the secret ones!), and that projects like his Pet Wall have to be funded by congress.

Every good dictator likes to make it rain on his followers, and the Trumpettes are getting drenched with one goodie after another right now. Get fat on it, dudes, feast like there's no tomorrow...

What's he gonna do when he runs out of low hanging fruit? It's still a democracy, as inconvenient as that sounds...

What danger is a 2-year-old Syrian orphan boy or girl to the U.S.?

You're hyperventilating again - calm down buddy.

Trump is a proven con man - you know that is true when you take off your rose colored glasses. He might be legit in his new role, but you have to be a lot less gullible than you have been so far - he has a lot to prove before his approval rating comes out of the toilet for the vast majority of regular, no BS Americans.

Another good start!!

President Trump is REALLY kicking ass!!! :D

Ahhhhhhhh So THAT's what's wrong with Trump....

Where do ya'all FIND these people!??? :^/

I must REALLY be getting to you that you would expend so much effort to try and convince yerself that yer not the asshole everyone here knows you are... :D

I have to say... President Trump is really kicking ass and taking names...

No wonder patriotic Americans are cheering... :D

You seem to be spending an awful lot of time trying to defend him.

'Trying' my ass.. I am wiping the floor with you people.. :D

I can't promise to stop calling you a troll though, because I'm an honest person.

The fact that you insist on lying about me proves you are not an honest person..

Which is typical of you Left Wingery fanatics.. :D

Sorry if your butthurt because I am calling you out...

Quit being an asshole and I'll quit pointing it out...

It's really simple.. But I am not surprised you can't see it...

Civility always escapes trolls like you....

I am too, however the alternative is that everybody sits on their hands.

This could be like solar panels or wind turbines - they get some momentum in fits and starts, and there are some small successes and failures, but over time the economic environment makes it more and more feasible and the stutters turn into small programs then larger and larger programs.

"I don't have to defend Trump"?
You seem to be spending an awful lot of time trying to defend him.
If you don't have to, why are you trying?

But look.
You've been a troll for over a decade.
Long before you had the pleasure of meeting me again here.
Trying to shift the blame onto those who are inured to your trollery won't convince me to stop.

You not understanding the incivility of trolling isn't an excuse.

My documentation of your trollery and the various tactics you use (unlike your empty assertion) is not an effort to get you to stop.
It's a public service from just one of the many you have lied about.

Trollery prevents honest debate.
Your tactics are offensive.
And exposing them is highly amusing.

A troll who thinks that my calling out said troll and documenting his trollery makes me a troll isn't convincing, but so be it.
Like Trump, you will believe what you want to believe.

There is some good news.
Your cries for help are causing you to miss a tremor in the force... you are soooo close to vanquishing me... don't give up now.
Can't you feel the impending victory?
The vulgarity didn't work.
The mimicry isn't working.
But I can just tell that your next idea will hit home.
Hang in there.
You can do it Duffy Brown.

But, hey.
Since begging for help is on your agenda these days, I'll offer you some.
I'm still open to giving you a (probably temporary) reprieve.

Apologize for including me in your false generalizations about everyone here in Weigantia, and stop including me in them going forward, and in return I will promise to only call out your trollery in comments you specifically direct to me.

That's a fair deal.

I can't promise to stop calling you a troll though, because I'm an honest person.

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Thanks.
Did you catch the surprise winner of the first round of the Socialists primary in France wants to pursue it as well?

The experiments in the article you shared all seem to suffer from some of the shortcomings discussed in the Ladd article (and comments) you shared a while back.

I'm a little worried that false conclusions will be drawn from fundamentally flawed efforts.

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Another article on basic income:

http://www.businessinsider.com/basic-income-experiments-in-2017-2017-1

When said someone is wrong about **EVERY** prediction, then dishonesty seeps in...

Oh wait, you do know the difference and this is just another example of life imitating fart from ya!

heheheheheh Now THAT was funny!! :D

Wow! So all this time you have not understood the difference between someone being wrong about a prediction they made and someone choosing to be dishonest??? Oh wait, you do know the difference and this is just another example of life imitating fart from ya!

Setting aside the "morality" of claiming two wrongs make a right, once again we witness trollery in action.

Yes, we are witnessing it in action..

So, why don't you quit it like several people have asked??

Rather than trying to defend Trump, it's "what about Democrats".

I don't HAVE to defend Trump.. He's doing an awesome job as POTUS, as I knew he would..

It's only the America-Haters who claim he isn't...

If Trump starts a trade war and we lose, then you'll have a leg to stand on...

But, until that happens, it's all ideologically based conjecture...

There are only losers in trade wars.

Assumes facts not in evidence..

Let's hope somebody stops Trump before he crashes multiple economies.

Again, nothing but ideology talking..

This is well worth a read-

"Seymour Hersh Blasts Media for Uncritically Promoting Russian Hacking Story"

by Jeremy Scahill
The Intercept
January 25 2017

He bashes the media, Obama and Trump.

A breath of fresh air.

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"And, as I have aptly proven, the Democrats are no stranger to alternative facts either..."

Setting aside the "morality" of claiming two wrongs make a right, once again we witness trollery in action.

In this case, whataboutery.

Rather than trying to defend Trump, it's "what about Democrats".

So convincing.

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"Trump is only accelerating the demise of crazy Republicans and bringing in a new progressive era.

It certainly sounds good to me :)"

Me too.
But helping it along by recognizing the failures of the corporatist warmongering wing of the Democratic party is a necessary step.

I don't trust him to follow through, as the confirmation vote for the head of the CIA who wouldn't rule out a return of torture as US policy showed, but even Chuck Schumer has admitted that Democrats need to re-embrace economics that help the working class.
That's not quite admitting that the economics they had embraced was harming the working class, but it is a baby step in the right direction.

The Third Way types who are set to spend millions attacking the Warren and Bernie wing need to be recognized as anti-progressive... and called out... as in challenged vocally.
Lip service to progressive issues, or only focusing on progressive social issues and ignoring the economic ones while maintaining devotion to Republican-lite economics, will not fool voters.

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Markets are fickle in the short term, and, as I stated in the article I wrote last week, indifferent to the partisanship in the White House.

Starting a trade war is something markets have not had to deal with in the modern era (nobody has been as stupid as Trump to even jawbone about it). This is a factor that wasn't covered (lack of evidence to draw conclusions for) in the paper I based part of my article on.

There are only losers in trade wars. Surely Mnuchin is smart enough to know this, plus free trade is a cornerstone of Republican philosophy. Let's hope somebody stops Trump before he crashes multiple economies. Mind you, he might be one of the shortest Presidents in history if he trashes the U.S. economy by canceling NAFTA then the Republicans pull their knives out and stab him in the back - there is plenty to work with - the emoluments clause is easy pickings for an impeachment.

Bernie did lay out exactly how to pay for his plans.
Claiming otherwise is dishonest.

You may recall Hillary Inc. and her corrupt media lackeys clutching their pearls about Bernie's Single Payer plan costing $18 trillion over ten years... while ignoring that at our current pace of expenditures we will be spending $30 trillion in the same period, and not even covering everybody.
Yes, we are currently spending about 3 trillion dollars per year on health care.
Not only is Single Payer truly universal coverage, but it actually yields massive savings.

Corrupt "centrists" attacking the base of the Democratic party with such lies and many others is not a path to success.

After eviscerating the Democratic party through massive and repeated electoral failures, it's time for the right wing corporatists posing as Democrats to step aside.

Now, there certainly are bad aspects to some strains of populism.
But sometimes serving the will and interests of the majority is just honoring the concept of democracy.

And, for the record, if you want to talk about Venezuela, an honest discussion would include the impact of the economic warfare we unleashed after the coup attempt against Chavez by our corporatist Democratic "leaders" failed miserably.

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The only thing driving your "facts" is partisan ideology....

As it reflects on you and Russ and ChickenBoy and Troll/Asshole...

Right??

- you gave me some good advice once and it stuck.

Well, almost stuck.. :D

But I am just playing the game by ya'all's rules....

Let's see. The stock market is assuming they are getting Trump-lite, not Donnie Darko.

And yet, the Market has gone up and up and up and up...

So either you are wrong about Trump or the entire Market is wrong about Trump....

Let's see. The stock market is assuming they are getting Trump-lite, not Donnie Darko.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2017/01/investor-uncertainty?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/

I don't care, but it just reflects on you - you gave me some good advice once and it stuck.

What about the lie that the Left Wingery spewed incessantly that if Trump were elected, the Stock Market would collapse???

Like I said (and NO ONE can refute) when it comes to lies, clean yer own house first.. THEN you have a foundation to complain about GOP lies and Trump "lies"...

The cognitive dissonance an obviously intelligent guy like Spicer will have to deal with every day will wear him down and we'll see his character - is he all about the power, or does he have some integrity. This is an internal battle many of Trump's inner circle will have to face. Here is my take on some of them:

Tillerson: as long as he nods sort of in Trump's direction and he isn;t undermined by some nut case like Flynn or Trump's family, I think he can put America first and will be peripheral to Trump's court.

Kelly-Anne: She took on the greatest challenge in politics in the last decade or more and made Trump as polished as a turd can be. Her new role seems to be to keep polishing the same turd, and I think once her point has been made in the pol-sci circles she'll realize that her success story was all about 2016, and people are less and less impressed with the same "pulling a rabbit out of a hat" trick. She'll get bored and leave to create her own marketing firm.

Maddog: I hope Trump is scared of him and every time some clown in Trump's court tries to foist something stupid on America Maddis shouts at them until they crawl back under whatever stone they came out from.

Sessons: he will piss off so much of America overreaching he will be one of Trump's early scapegoats thrown aside to try to turn around Trump's plummeting popularity ratings.

DeVoy: She will flounder around doing a lot of damage but since America doesn't care about their kids' education she will last well past her sell by date.

Mnuchin: interesting opportunity here. He might turn out to be a Joe Kennedy type - somebody who knows the system from playing it and does America a favor by really putting some effort into cleaning it up. Alternatively he might just be another insider working the system for the mega rich. Time will tell. I suspect Trump will try to interfere but Mnuchin will confuse him and get what he wants when Trump can't admit he doesn't know the fist thing Mnuchin is talking about.

Puzder: will get bored pretending to be a public servant and after he has done the things he wants for his businesses will go back to being the biggest fish in his own pond.

Perry: Will be putty in the hands of senior civil servants. They will give him some ribbons to cut and let him declare himself a visionary. He and Trump will be very happy together.

Kelly: He will do a good job for America, but he is in the hot seat and will have to sign up for more Trump "alternate facts" than most of the rest of the intelligent Cabinet members. I think he has too much integrity and if he can build a personal reputation as a decent guy in the public's eye as head of the DHS then he will try to challenge Trump in the court of public opinion. Trump may well back off as long as Kelly gives him some BS 'wins' for Trump to strut about with.

I know, I know.. You don't like it when I call Obama names..

But you quit with the 'Orange Facist', get Russ to quit with 'Twitler' and get Chicken Boy to quit with 'Orange One' and I'll gladly act like an adult as well....

Until such time, it's a 3rd grade playground around here.. :D

Yes.. We ALL had a nightmare.. It was called The Odumbo Administration..

But now the long 8 year nightmare is over...

It's morning in America....

You really don't understand the concept of legitimate estimates and pulling stuff out of where the sun don't shine. Explains why you fall for Trump's lies.

As opposed to YOU falling for Odumbo's lies???

:D

Must have really stung when many times as many people protested on Saturday as could be bothered to turn up on Friday. What a sad loser Trump already is, "ratings machine" my behind.

Too bad for you, those people couldn't have bothered to show up on 8 Nov, eh??? :D

Sucks, don't it.. :D

Making America Great Again.... :D

There is such a thing as alternative facts..

You really don't understand the concept of legitimate estimates and pulling stuff out of where the sun don't shine. Explains why you fall for Trump's lies.

Also, Trump's popularity is a historical low for a brand new President - so again, he is off to a bad start in the popularity stakes - this is a simple fact. Your fact that he is really popular isn't a fact it is a desperate hope. Like your numbers for Trump's inauguration.

Must have really stung when many times as many people protested on Saturday as could be bothered to turn up on Friday. What a sad loser Trump already is, "ratings machine" my behind.

But they ARE different "facts"... THAT's the point..

There is such a thing as alternative facts..

But what the Leftist MSM is force feeding you are not facts...

Says the guy who believes that Hillary won the election.. :D

I read the original article you 'learned' this argument from and it was so full of holes and simplistic I thought it was an Onion piece.

That's your opinion, but as I have aptly proven beyond any doubt, it's an opinion completely based on Party ideology..

Not really off to a good start, is he?

He's off to a great start!! :D

He is going to be the most hated President in modern history based on his numbers so far.

And WHO is producing those numbers?? The Leftist Media who samples 80% Democrats and 10% Republicans...

Trump is ONLY hated by those people who support globalist corporatism... Patriotic Americans love Trump..

Try again. Trump has no evidence to support his ludicrous lie, but there is plenty of evidence that show he is lying (public transport, pictures, use of white ground cover at earlier inauguration, no 'magnetometers' in use, etc. etc.).

And again, who is producing this "evidence"...

The Leftist MSM who has proven beyond ANY doubt that they will lie and cheat to attack Trump..

Your source is not credible, therefore your evidence and your "facts" are not credible..

That's the reality of the here and now..

Try again. Trump has no evidence to support his ludicrous lie, but there is plenty of evidence that show he is lying (public transport, pictures, use of white ground cover at earlier inauguration, no 'magnetometers' in use, etc. etc.).

Trump lies. It is that simple. He lies all the time. He has been proven time and time again to lie, then repeat his lie even in the face of overwhelming evidence. He doesn't care because at the moment he has a bunch of gullible fanboys that are so anti-liberal they will throw their integrity out of the window for him.

Sad.

Not really off to a good start, is he? He is going to be the most hated President in modern history based on his numbers so far. And if you think the rest of the country are going to fall for 'alternative facts', which the rest of us call lies, from some slick guy in Washington whose hair doesn't even look real, you have forgotten the fact that the electorate aren't fanboys like yourself.

Really? Explain how, and remember for Mexico to pay for the wall you have to ensure that American consumers are not simply paying higher prices on mpoorts, otherwise we the people have simply paid for the wall at least twice (once from our taxes and again with higher prices from Mexican imports) AND you have to explain why Canada, France, Senegal, Colombia, etc are not also paying for the wall.

I read the original article you 'learned' this argument from and it was so full of holes and simplistic I thought it was an Onion piece.

The gullibility runs strong in this one.

I am also constrained to point out that the "alternate" to fact is NOT fiction... The OPPOSITE of fact is fiction..

The alternate to fact could simply be another fact...

For example, weatherunderground dot com says the high today is going to be 77... That's a fact..

An ALTERNATE of that fact can be found at weather dot com. Which says the high is going to be 82.. That an alternative to the first fact, but it's also a fact in itself...

Another example...

It's a fact that President Trump's inauguration had, say, 2 million people...

It's an alternative fact that President Trump's inauguration had 500,000 people..

Both are factual.. It just all depends on one's ideology as to which fact one wants to believe..

See??

Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking, KFC... :D

It's that exact kind of wishful thinking that brought us President Trump.... :D

I'm just sayin'....

The Democrats' Rise Is Far From Inevitable

To do that, they’re probably going to have to let go of the most soul-satisfying, brain-melting political theory of the last two decades: that Democrats are inevitably the Party of the Future, guaranteed ownership of the future by an emerging Democratic majority in minority-white America. This theory underlay a lot of Obama’s presidency, and Clinton’s campaign. With President Trump's inauguration on Friday, we saw the results.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-24/the-democrats-rise-is-far-from-inevitable

You sure about that, Neil?? :D

Because, from where reality sits, Democrats don't stand a chance in 2018 and are going to be severely handicapped in 2020 by the popularity of President Trump...

Yep.. As I explained in a previous comment, President Trump SHOULD change his stance on Border Adjustments, as it will FORCE Mexico to pay for the wall, as President Trump promised..

Apparently, President Trump reads CW.COM... :D

Who cares... As long as America and Americans keep winning, who CARES about Trump's ego???

DumboCrats are just sore losers feasting on crow and sour grapes...

As long as Americans and America wins... :D

Trump is only accelerating the demise of crazy Republicans and bringing in a new progressive era.

Ya'all have been saying that for the last YEAR...

And yet, it's the DUMBOCRAT Party that is leader-less, rudder-less and brain-less....

Talk about not understanding reality.... :D

A man who is as successful as Trump has been in business, a man who beat 17 political veterans, a man who creamed the BIGGEST and MEANEST and RICHEST political juggernaut in the history of the world???

I would say that such a man has a complete and firm grasp on reality...

I would further say that anyone who CLAIMS such a man does not understand reality; THEY are the ones who don't understand reality...

With the repeal of Obamacare real people are going to die when they could have been saved.

And when Odumbo pushed thru TrainWreckCare by hook and by crook, REAL people died that could have been saved...

Works both ways, my friend..

This is why congress and the executive branch need to be forced to have the same healthcare coverage as, at a minimum, government employees. It would be even better if they had to have Medicaid.

Now, on THIS we are in complete agreement..

So why didn't DumboCrats force this after forcing thru TrainWreckCare???

"What would this country be without this great land of ours?"
-Ronald Reagan

:D

Because he hasn't exactly had a great start.

Yer kidding, right???

Trump's off to an AWESOME start.. He's keeping ALL of his promises!!

Trump to sign executive orders enabling construction of proposed border wall and targeting sanctuary cities
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/president-trump-is-planning-to-sign-executive-orders-on-immigration-this-week/2017/01/24/aba22b7a-e287-11e6-a453-19ec4b3d09ba_story.html

His cabinet appointments are facing no real opposition for confirmation...

Trump is da bomb!!!! :D

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer helpfully pointed out, in response: "There are no alternative facts. The alternative to fact is fiction."

And, as I have aptly proven, the Democrats are no stranger to alternative facts either...

Schumer should clean his own house first before he complains about Trump's house..

Trump's inauguration size being the biggest ever is a falsifiable piece of data. It's pretty easy to prove it false, in fact -- just look at a photo of the size of the crowd Obama got in 2009 (or even 2013) and compare it to a photo of last Friday down on the Mall. So why pick this particular fight when it's pretty obvious to anyone with any sense that Trump (and Spicer) staked out the losing side of the argument? Sorry, Sean (and Donald), but that's just not what 1.5 million people on the Mall look like.

Of course, if one cherry picks the photos......

For example, take a photo from the HEIGHT of Obama's inauguration and take a photo from WAY before Trump inauguration starts and viola.. You have "proof" that Obama's inauguration was bigger...

It's all about the cherry picked data....

Of course, misstatements and mistakes are always possible.

"I am exhausted after touring all 57 states"
-FORMER President Odumbo

I just LOVE saying that.. **FORMER** President Odumbo..

:D

So far, this has all been in the realm of the petty.

Yes, yes it has...

But that doesn't stop the Left Wingery from being apeshit hysterical about it..

Ya'all should pace yerselves.. Yer gonna blow a gasket if ya'all are THIS bad off right at the start..

Ya'all got 8 years to go...

PACE yerselves... :D

There are only losers in a Trade War. Trump is a loser if he starts one.

Note Trump is suddenly for border adjustments - somebody probably got the "Dick and Jane Explain Simple Trade Economics to the President" book for him.

HABERMAN: What do you think people will take away from this convention? What are you hoping?

TRUMP: From the convention? The fact that I’m very well liked. Look, I got more votes than anybody in the history of the Republican Party. Almost 14 million votes. I got 37 states. Kasich has one. As an example, Ted had, you know, not many. Thirty-seven states. Now, with the roll call, I had 44 states. It was 44 to seven and the seven was everybody else: 44 to seven. It was 44 to six because we are including the different islands. And when you are in that hall and you see those people, like yesterday, my daughter called up, she said, “Dad, I’ve never seen it — it’s total love.”

This has always been one big ego stroking-fest for Twitler.... and it isn't gonna change anytime soon.

1. Pete Wilson anti-immigration BS
2. Arnie the celebrity leader
3. Red/Blue gridlock in Sacramento for a decade in the 90's

U.S. today = California in the 90/00's

As usual the rest of he U.S. is 10-20 years behind the Golden State.

Trump is only accelerating the demise of crazy Republicans and bringing in a new progressive era.

It certainly sounds good to me :)

We are running a giant experiment in cognitive dissonance.

This is why congress and the executive branch need to be forced to have the same healthcare coverage as, at a minimum, government employees. It would be even better if they had to have Medicaid.