Democrats have lost 1030 seats in various federal and state areas...

Democrats hold complete dominance (Both Houses and Governor) in only 5 states... Republicans hold complete dominance in 31 states...

Republicans squeeked by with no mandate???

Shirley... You jest.....

When we speak of the popular vote and why Hillary won it, overall ... it is a matter of numbers - in one state, in particular - that gave her such a winning margin in the popular vote.

And, remember, the only reason we're even talking about this is because so many Democrats are unable to process what actually happened in this election cycle.

Stay tuned ... I have a pertinent link coming in a couple or three days ...

So, tell me again how good it was that Trump traded one country by pissing off four more other different additional nations instead?

Because it showed that Trump will support our allies, unlike the current administration who stabs our allies in the back...

ACTUALLY, Trump lost the popular vote in NINETEEN, 19, states and the District of Columbia, otherwise Clinton would never have been awarded those states electoral votes.

Yea, I dropped the ball on that one... But even still, 31 states wanted Trump... Only 19 wanted Hillary...

Now THAT's a mandate that is Constitutional Amendment territory...

I won't even bother mentioning how bad the Democrats got shellacked in State Governments...

No matter how ya want to spin it, the Democratic Party is in a world of hurt...

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"You mean Trump lost the Popular Vote in TWO states, but won the popular vote in the other 48??? :D"

ACTUALLY, Trump lost the popular vote in NINETEEN, 19, states and the District of Columbia, otherwise Clinton would never have been awarded those states electoral votes.

"The power of President Elect Trump....

Trump called Egypt's leader and soon after that call, Egypt withdrew the Anti-Israel UN Resolution..."

AND YET, right after that, that VERY SAME resolution came back, this time sponsored by New Zealand, Malaysia, Venezuela and Senegal, in an "in your face" defiance of Trump.

So, tell me again how good it was that Trump traded one country by pissing off four more other different additional nations instead?

Lovely chap.

As reprehensible as Hillary's claim that 10s of millions of Americans are racist irredeemable basket of deplorables...

The Right does not have a lock on despicable and reprehensible comments, don'tcha know...

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This one is especially for you ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Uy9jPxxwI

Let's see..

BREXIT

TRUMP

MERKEL is on her way out...

Yea, the whole world HAS changed.... :D

FYI: The Berkeley Journal of International Law published an interesting paper on the Mexican sanctions:

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1383&context=bjil

Berkley.... 'nuff said... :D

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A slight redistribution of 50,000 voters and the story would have been "Is California a Harbinger of the Future of the Republican Party?"

Let's keep everything in perspective here. Trump won by a statistical fluke, his cross-over appeal happened in just the right area to squeak a win for him. Everybody then went into extreme mode - Michale sounds like the whole world order has changed, and the Democrats think the apocalypse is here and Hillary bears the mark of the beast.

But the sliver of Obama voters that Trump managed to con have already been forgotten by Trump. There are no more "Carrier" moments, Trumps loose thumbs have only sharpened the trade weapons the Chinese are getting ready to target the Trump supporters specifically (targeting red states and soy bean farmers - they learned the lesson that Mexico taught America - Oregon's Christmas Trees being the symbolic sanctions target that time around). Trump's labor secretary is an advocate for robots, and the unraveling of Obamacare will hit the poorest (including those "Trump Democrats") hardest. And tax cuts don't help much if you don't pay much or any taxes.

FYI: The Berkeley Journal of International Law published an interesting paper on the Mexican sanctions:

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1383&context=bjil

For example, supporting Israel as President Obama stabbed Israel in the back and threw her under the bus...

That is the most heinous and vindictive act against one of our staunchest allies by an outgoing administration that I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing..

Any acknowledgment of merit of the Obama administration from the civilized world has been irrevocably rebutted by the administration's cold and vindictive actions...

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Lovely chap.

An asshole...

But, once again, I am constrained to point out that, if we are branding candidates with the actions of their supporters....

Well, you and Hillary have a lot of 'splainin' to do...

And, in Michale's case, bitter winners. For Pete's sake cheer up Michale.

Bitter?? Shirley, you jest! :D

Tell us why Trump's policies and vision are the way forward and stop the cult of personality.

What's the point??

You have already determined that Trump is a failure, even though he has done some great things already, even before he takes office...

I can't wait for that day, in November of 2020 when you admit that you voted for Donald Trump for another 4 years... :D

The Democrats are the party who cares, most people who want more caring are Democrats.

As Hillary so aptly proved beyond ANY doubt..... Democrats only care about people that care about Democrats..

Everyone else is nothing but a basket of irredeemable deplorables...

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Yes.. Just ONE state...

But you seem to be OK with just ONE state deciding who is President.. And to hell with what the other 49 states say...

Of course, only if that ONE state selects YOUR candidate as POTUS..

So, would you be OK if TEXAS was the SOLE arbiter of who is President?? :D

The most courageous left wing leader I see today is Gavin Newsom. He has zipper problems, but let's hope those are in the past. He was way out in front on gay marriage. He spits in the face of the gun lobby - demanding that they debate him. He will very likely be the next Governor of California.

Other stars that I know less about for geographical reasons are the Castro twins and Cory Brooker.

Here are some other rising stars, maybe you can email Joe and ask him who he likes:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/opinion/sunday/14-young-democrats-to-watch.html

I lost my favorite Uncle five years ago. You may even have heard of him as he was a famous Canadian: Jimmy Barclay. Uncle Jimmy was the lead engineer on the Alaskan pipeline in the 1970's and retired and focused on his true passion - golf. He was renown as the best historian of Canadian golf of all time with a magnificent ouvre treasured by golf historians.

I used to visit Uncle Jimmy every time I went to Toronto on business, usually a couple of times a year. He had a razor sharp mind that challenged me on every subject, and if I was ever more knowledgeable about a subject, the next time I saw him he ran rings around me. Right into his 80's. I miss Uncle Jimmy every day, and so I know age is both a state of mind and a physical reality.

I lost my favorite Uncle five years ago. You may even have heard of him as he was a famous Canadian: Jimmy Barclay. Uncle Jimmy was the lead engineer on the Alaskan pipeline in the 1970's and retired and focused on his true passion - golf. He was renown as the best historian of Canadian golf of all time with a magnificent ouvre treasured by golf historians.

I used to visit Uncle Jimmy every time I went to Toronto on business, usually a couple of times a year. He had a razor sharp mind that challenged me on every subject, and if I was ever more knowledgeable about a subject, the next time I saw him he ran rings around me. Right into his 80's. I miss Uncle Jimmy every day, and so I know age is both a state of mind and a physical reality.

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I'm not sure what campaign you were following, Neil, but all she did was respond to Trump. She decided to go negative at the expense of any semblance of an uplifting message.

That's what makes all of this so frustrating. She could have charted another course but she chose not to. She and her campaign made some devastatingly unsound choices and we are all paying for them.

Are you asking this of Joe?

This is a serious question, who, and it might be more than one person, will be our next Joe Biden?

To be clear, here is what you don't know about Biden ... he is one America's precious few "up-wing" leaders ... leaders who think big with a futuristic orientation and who advocate for enlightened policies and who have a progressive vision for change and the requisite courage to carry it out, against all odds.

I know Joe Biden will be 78 at the next inauguration. I love Joe and he is definitely a beacon in the progressive movement, but we need to invest in the future, not place unfair burdens on the shoulders of the past.

This election was a reality show. You want to blame Hillary for not being the best reality show star, go ahead. I was interested in ideas and plans, not how she should have responded better to a clown. Maybe if more of the country had been concerned about real issues I wouldn't have to be the one defending a good, competent person who really cared about the future of America from bitter losers.

Catch up America. California is the future:

http://viralcrunch.com/articles/18357/arnold-schwarzenegger-lets-loose-on-facebook-doesnt-give-a-if-you-dont-believe-in-climate-change

But, then again, you don't seem to know who the Clintons are, either.

And, no, I don't think they are evil incarnate or anywhere approaching that.

I just think that they are, in the final analysis, a couple of pretty inept politicians with an entitlement complex.

Neither one of them did anything to improve their legacies during the course of the 2016 presidential election campaign. And, America and the rest of the civilized world will be paying a high price for their ineptitude for a very, very long time.

Vice President Biden is 74. You really want to put this one him - the hope of the nation.

Time to look forward, not backwards. Joe Biden is he lighthouse not the ship.

Wow. Just wow.

How sad.

Hint: It's not because they are busy ... what's your word for it ... self-flagellating? No, they are slowly coming to terms with the fact that, how can I put this delicately, America was screwed over by the Clintons, again, to paraphrase a wise political analyst who also happens to be a Californian.

If you want to know how to appeal to the middle class and articulate a point of view that is infinitely receptive AND can swing a nation, pay close attention to Senator Biden over the course of the next couple or three years ...

Lay out the three key points you want to make to the American people.

Too bad Hillary couldn't do that. Was it really that difficult?

I blame her and her alone for President-elect Trump. And, I will never, ever forgive her for it! Seriously!

http://www.people-press.org/2016/12/20/in-elections-wake-partisans-assess-the-state-of-their-parties/overview_groups-2/

1. America has got 2.5 times richer in the last 40 years but most Americans didn't get anything. We should reward entrepreneurs, but the wealth needs to be distributed so we need to stop trusting trickle down and trust progressive taxation.

2. The rich have bought many of our politicians, and we need to take the time to understand who we can really trust. This means we need to stop falling for fake issues and fake news.

3. Almost every American believes in the American Dream - let's make it happen again. Everybody should have the chance to get a great eduction to the tertiary level. That is what smart societies do, just like we did time and time again when we led the world with the best educated workforce in the world.

If you can't clearly articulate your point of view to a receptive audience, do you really think you can swing a nation.

Lay out the three key points you want to make to the American people.

Two ships passing in the night ... end of conversation.

May the Force be with her....

MTFBWH. Pull thru Carrie!

“I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla,” he said.

Guess who he was talking about.

Yup, Michelle.

http://artvoice.com/2016/12/23/want-2017-lot-different-opinions/#.WF3CnqIrI1j

Lovely chap.

Our thoughts and prayers are with Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) who suffered a heart attack today aboard an LA bound aircraft....

May the Force be with her....

Outstanding. Great story line. Really held it together.

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What do you think it is about well developed critical thinking skills that pushed so many post grads away from Trump? Could it be the ability to fact check then spot when somebody is telling you what you want to hear?

Trump: Then I started saying it like I meant it, right?

That is what we call a "tell".

It was Obama voters that put Trump over the top....

And yet the last time I checked all the counties in the whole country get a total of zero votes.

When it comes to voters however Trump lost in a landslide. That is really stuck in Trump throat and it delegitimizes him in the eyes of many, obviously including himself which is why he keeps lying about winning the popular vote:

@realDonaldTrump:

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
12:30 PM - 27 Nov 2016

Sum total of illegal votes found to date: under 10

That reality thing, it just keeps biting him in the ass. Must be painful for Trump to sit down :)

I defy you to find any evidence of 3 million (convenient number isn't it) illegal votes. The primary sources are two tweets from some random guy who just happens to be a Trump supporter and has no facts to base his claim on, a claim he made 5 days after the election - sort of suspiciously fast for such a massive investigation, don't you think?

Don't be like Trump, don't believe everything that makes you feel good in the press and online. It doesn't enhance your reputation for veracity.

When did I say all Trump supporters are racists?

There's an even better map....

It was Obama voters that put Trump over the top....

If you want to be a bean counter and dispute the hyperbole, be my guest..

But it still won't change the fact that Trump won with the BIG help of former Obama voters..

You can dispute the exact number all you want.. But yer just arguing a periphery point in an attempt to hide the fact that you can't counter the main point..

Obama voters turned into Trump voters..

Which totally decimates your argument that Trump voters are all racists...

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And California is a state in which great nation?

I think you are forgetting the intransigence of the House and Senate that blocked just about everything Obama wanted to do.

I'm not going to participate in the "stupid democrats don't understand the troubles of real Americans" self flagellation that is the plate du jour. The Republicans have spent 20 years playing out the "Washington is the source of all evil" storyline and it disappoints me that so many Americans and even so many Democrats have fallen for it.

If you want to keep this math going then either:

1. tens of millions of Republicans voted for Hillary, or
2. tens of millions of Democrats voted for Trump and 10 of millions new voters voted for Hillary and tens of millions of Republican voters stayed at home
3. You're delusional and have no numbers to back up the "tens of millions" fantasy

Focusing on the economic failures of Clinton and Obama doesn't make sense when Reagan and Bush 2 collapsed the working and middle class with trickle down. It is like replacing the quarterback in the second half because he missed a pass when your team is 20 points up.

You are confusing two different issues here, Neil. Democrats will probable lose the next general if they continue to be confused about this, too.

And, Hillary only won the popular vote because of her landslide win in one state, namely California.

You are confusing two different issues here, Neil. Democrats will probable lose the next general if they continue to be confused about this, too.

And, Hillary only won the popular vote because of her landslide win in one state, namely California.

Work with me here - a link to the comment please.

Please bless me with your wisdom.

There is an old saying in Europe: America is 10 years ahead of us, and California is 10 years ahead of America.

Thanks for the clarification.

That people in California are Americans and their votes count the same as everybody else's?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/upshot/how-the-obama-coalition-crumbled-leaving-an-opening-for-trump.html?_r=0

Democrats didn't stay home..

They voted for Trump by the tens of millions...

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Doubtful..

I have been to the region and have worked with the IDF and their SO units...

Israel fought a war against insurmountable odds and won.. That is the only history that is relevant...

The mere fact that Palestinians support terrorism against Israel is just another nail in the coffin that is Palestinian "authority"...

By their actions, past and present, Palestinians have relinquished all moral, legal and ethical claims to the land...

The land belongs to Israel. Israelis have fought and bled for that land and Palestinians have no more claim to that land than Seminoles have claim to my land...

It's that simple and any attempt to obfuscate that simplicity is pointless because it just ain't so...

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What is wrong about the Israeli settlements??

To oppose the Israeli settlements is to support the notion that every American should give back property they own to Native Americans...

The Palestinians fought a war with Israel and they lost..

By instigating a conflict with Israel and by continuing that conflict thru terrorism, Palestinians gave up ALL moral authority to claim any land in the region...

Palestinians lost the war... They are a conquered people... To the victor, go the spoils...

It's really that simple...

It was time for a change of course. Time to do things a little differently.

Obama decided to do things differently.. After decades of protecting Israel from the Anti-Semiticism of the United Nations, Obama decided to back stab Israel and throw her to the wolves...

THAT is certainly different...

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It was time for a change of course. Time to do things a little differently.

I'm surprised Trump didn't agree with doing things differently on this issue as does so on every other issue.

Trump is no match for Netanyahu, I'm afraid to say. Afraid for the well-being of the state of Israel, I mean.

They allowed a UN Resolution to condemn Israel to pass....

Even DEMOCRATS urged Obama to veto this anti-Israel resolution...

Obama is coming down firmly on the side of terrorists and terrorism....

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Trump is many things, including the next legitimately elected POTUS.

What is it about California that you do not understand? When it comes to the popular vote count, I mean ...

Trump won because the Democrats fielded a crappy candidate who thought that the political acumen of Jay-Z and Beyonce would carry the day...

"{She} chose..... poorly"
-Knight, INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE

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I respect that opinion...

I just disagree with the substance of it...

That is what you want to believe, but you present no evidence.

I presented testimony from Vice President Joe Biden...

Trump won in a statistical fluke since he lost the popular vote by about 3 million?

No... The fact that he lost the vanity vote DUE TO A SINGLE STATE...

THAT's the fluke...

That's the fact that blows your entire theory out of the water...

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That is what you want to believe, but you present no evidence. What evidence have you, and how does it explain the fact that Trump won in a statistical fluke since he lost the popular vote by about 3 million?

I think Trump settled the Trump U case because he knew that he was guilty and bought himself a get out of jail free card. The preponderance of evidence shows that he bilked people, including a lot of vets, out of a lot of money for courses that didn't deliver what was promised, but instructors who were billed as hand picked by Trump but who he never knew.

The man is a grifter. Yes he throws a lot of shots and misses most of them, but the difference is that Jordan was legally allowed to shoot and miss, he didn't need a team of lawyers to get him off the hook when he missed a three pointer.

Allow me to amend...

It's a simple question applying YOUR own theory to a analogous situation that, due to Party loyalty, you MIGHT find unpalatable.....

My apologies...

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OK, it's not exactly analogous...

With Trump, we're talking about fraud..

With Clinton, we're talking about violent sex crimes..

So, they are not exactly analogous, but for the purposes of our discussion, they'll do....

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I never said I thought Clinton was guilty because he settled.. I just used YOUR theory about Trump and applied it to a person who has a '-D' after their name and asked if your theory still applies...

Is Trump a con man as he was accused in the Trump U case that he settled out of court like Clinton was obviously banging everything in a skirt?

Nice misdirection of my argument but that's not what I said...

Do you believe Clinton sexually harassed and sexually assaulted Paula Jones and because of his guilt, Clinton settled with Paula Jones??

It's a simple question applying YOUR own theory to a analogous situation that, due to Party loyalty, you find unpalatable.....

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A Democrat rubbing elbows with Jay-Z and Beyonce is not bad... :D

If he is under investigation and charged with fraud for being a con man, then uses time constraints as an excuse to get himself off the hook. Yes.

You are the one who brought Clinton up - you believe that Clinton was guilty because he settled, but you excuse Trump, then turn round and try to tell me I'm blinded by party loyalty?

Nice try, but fail.

Is Trump a con man as he was accused in the Trump U case that he settled out of court like Clinton was obviously banging everything in a skirt?

So, you believe that Bill Clinton DID sexually harass and sexually assault Paula Jones and THAT is why Bill Clinton settled...

Does that accurately sum things up??

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It wasn't sexism...

It wasn't the Russians...

It wasn't James Comey.....

The reason why Democrats lost all up and down the line???

Biden rips Democrats' 'elitism,' faults party for failing to reach working class
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/23/biden-rips-democrats-elitism-faults-party-for-failing-to-reach-working-class.html

The Democrats lost up and down the line because they felt that transgender's bathroom rights were more important than making and saving jobs for Americans..

The Democrats lost up and down the line because the were too busy patting themselves on the back on how enlightened they were and looking down their noses at the basket of irredeemable deplorables...

THAT is why the Democrats lost up and down the line...

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Yes. Bill Clinton had zipper problems. Trump is a con man. What is good for the goose ...

Yeah, well the labor provisions are weak.
Workers are still being exploited... relative to our 40 hour work week, overtime laws, safety, etc... and the existing laws ARE still being violated by our trading partners... usually by well connected business owners.
If the labor provisions were stronger and enforced, we'd all be better off.

I think you're right about China... but the advances are... not uniform.
I won't buy dog treats from China... and I've been using my Swiss Army knife to open cans because every can opener in the stores I've been to was made in China.

Happy Solstice to the whole gang.

I'm outta here til New Years.

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Because you are proffering the theory that when someone settles out of court, it means that they did something wrong..

I wanted to ascertain if you believe that theory is true, regardless of political affiliation..

Answer the question - why did Trump settle rather than fight in court as soon as he won the Presidency?

For the same reasons that Clinton claimed.. Because it was too costly and time consuming to fight...

Now, answer my question. Is your theory Party-based or not??

he has plenty of time to meet Kanye,

So a Republican rubbing elbows with a celebrity like Kanye is bad...

A Democrat rubbing elbows with Jay-Z and Beyonce is not bad... :D

You keep repeating this number even though you previously agreed that you had no basis and the facts point to 10's of thousands, or maybe a couple of 100,000 at most.

Actually I pointed out that I was right and offer'ed proof in the form of a map that showed the tens of millions of Americans that voted for Obama at least once and then voted for Trump in 2016... You lost interest after that so I figured it was a settled argument.. :D

Is this a cover for Trump losing the popular vote by about 3 million?

You mean Trump lost the Popular Vote in TWO states, but won the popular vote in the other 48??? :D

Do you REALLY want to push that Popular Vote BS?? :D

Most of the reason Trump won, despite getting less of the vote than Romney did in 2012 (47.2% for Romney, 46.1% for Trump) was democrats not turning out for Hillary.

And *WHY* did Democrats not turn out for Hillary?? Because she SUCKED..... She was the WRONG candidate for this election..

Something I have been saying since Christmas 2015.....

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You keep repeating this number even though you previously agreed that you had no basis and the facts point to 10's of thousands, or maybe a couple of 100,000 at most.

Is this a cover for Trump losing the popular vote by about 3 million?

Most of the reason Trump won, despite getting less of the vote than Romney did in 2012 (47.2% for Romney, 46.1% for Trump) was democrats not turning out for Hillary.

The election is over. As you keep reminding us Trump won and the Clintons are history. Who cares about what Bill Clinton did or does.

Answer the question - why did Trump settle rather than fight in court as soon as he won the Presidency? And don't give us the old "too busy" malarkey - he has plenty of time to meet Kanye, tweet about Vanity Fair and other meaningless time wasting.

The only thing undeniable is the gullibility of the people who fall for Trump's stories.

He took $200M and bankrupted himself twice, but had lawyers protect his assets to he stuck it to the small businesses who he contracted to do the work and the banks who lent him the money. The banks caught on so he had to raise money from overseas, but he won't tell us who he owes money to and how much, however his son's brag that he is in big time with Russian investors. The biggest Russian investor is Putin because nobody moves large amounts of money in and out of Russia without his cronies approval.

And still Trump hides his finances and won't let anybody but his kids inside the kimono.

But you keep defending him because facts and reality are a liberal conspiracy.

Earlier he said Israel's prime minister turned to President-elect Donald Trump to help head off the critical U.N. resolution.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ISRAEL_UNITED_NATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-23-05-06-13

The power of President Elect Trump....

Trump called Egypt's leader and soon after that call, Egypt withdrew the Anti-Israel UN Resolution...

Obama is getting majorly upstaged by Trump... :D

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I think Trump chose Mnuchin because Trump liked STORKS :D

And your beef against Bannon is because he is a GoldmanSachs alumnus??? :D Really??? THAT's the only problem with Bannon??? :D

Does it explain why they were too embarrassed to admit to supporting Trump?

Sure it does...

https://www.facebook.com/viralthread/videos/598130190359668/

Trump supporters were attacked, assaulted, vilified and denigrated by the Democratic Party candidate herself...

And you wonder WHY Trump supporters were embarrassed to admit that they were Trump supporters???

Reality: They knew Trump was spoiled goods (e.g. the bus chat, attacking the gold star family, etc.) but just didn't care because they wanted to give the elites one in the eye and don't like multiculturalism (or identity politics as they now call it to let themselves off the racist hook).

That's your reality, my friend.. :D

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Military expansionism at the expense of US allies....

Yet you love Russia which also subjugates its people. Do you remember the opposition leader that was shot in the back across the street from the Kremlin and Putin announced that he personally was going to lead the investigation?

And Trump told Japan and S. Korea they had to nuke up to protect themselves - so why do you care about China's saber rattling in the S. China Sea? America First! and all that.

You do know that the bank bailouts that exploded the deficits were enacted by Bush 2? And that the auto loans were repaid with interest. What exactly did Obama do to raise the deficit?

In fact Obama flat lined government job growth (at a time when he was under pressure over the headline unemployment rate) to curb Government spending, resulting in him creating a declining deficit trend line throughout his Presidency. These are facts, I know you don't like facts because it makes you feel uncomfortable voting for Trump, who has been documented in more lies than any other since fact checking began. But facts are reality my friend. Not subject to your feelings about them.

Does it explain why they were too embarrassed to admit to supporting Trump?

Right wing answer: Because liberals would have been nasty to them

Reality: They knew Trump was spoiled goods (e.g. the bus chat, attacking the gold star family, etc.) but just didn't care because they wanted to give the elites one in the eye and don't like multiculturalism (or identity politics as they now call it to let themselves off the racist hook).

"During the campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly criticized Goldman Sachs for its ties to the global financial elite. But since his election, Mr. Trump has relied heavily on Goldman executives. In addition to Mr. Cohn’s appointment, Mr. Trump has picked a Goldman veteran and hedge fund manager, Steven T. Mnuchin, to be his Treasury Secretary and made another alumnus of the firm, Stephen K. Bannon, his top strategist.

And on Thursday, The Wall Street Journal reported that the highest ranking officials at Goldman, including the firm’s former president, Gary Cohn, were tracking and approving the transactions with 1MDB.

Mr. Cohn was recently appointed to be President-elect Trump’s top economic adviser and the director of the National Economic Council. Mr. Cohn could not be reached for comment.

But since Mr. Trump’s election, investors have been betting that Mr. Trump will roll back some of the legislation that has hit Goldman particularly hard.

Mr. Trump’s economic plans could also benefit the firm if interest rates rise and banks are able to charge more for loans. Goldman’s shares have shot up more sharply than the broader market and other bank stocks. Since the election, Goldman’s stock price has risen nearly 32 percent."

Sure, we believe Trump is a new type of politician that is going to change Washington. And my bridge in NYC is still for sale if anybody wants it.

But the "illogic" (or logic) of this decision remains to be seen... Trump really could make America great again..

We just don't know because Trump is unlike any President that has ever been elected in the history of this country...

You MIGHT be right and Trump might make this country into more of a 3rd world hell hole then it already is..

But you ALSO might be wrong and Trump totally turns things around and makes things so good for you and your family and friends that YOU end up voting Trump in 2020...

"Eventually you will have peace, but only after millions of people have died. It is true that in the future, you and the Klingons will become fast friends. You will work together. Of course, right now, your emotions are most discordant."
-Ayleborne, STAR TREK TOS, Errand Of Mercy

But kudos on the movie quote.. :D

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Trump has hundreds and hundreds of business successes under his belt...

Only a handful have failed..

Even if you dispute the Business success angle, it is simply undeniable that the man you describe, the total incompetent and complete nincompoop, could not have defeated 16 or 17 successful GOP politicians..

The man you describe simply COULD NOT have defeated the biggest, meanest, most well-funded political juggernaut in the history of the planet...

It's simply NOT in the realm of possibility...

Either Trump is the luckiest man in history, or an evil Machiavelli that NO ONE has seen and absolutely NO evidence has risen to prove, or Trump is simply not as bad as you claim...

If we employ Occam's Razor, the answer is clear...

NO< OF COURSE NOT. But just enough Americans voted for him, NOT caring that he IS a racist.

A "racist" that has NEVER uttered a racist remark that can be proven... A "racist" that has promoted people of color to management and executive positions long before it was fashionable to do so...

Again, if we employ Occam's Razor, the answer clearly is that you are simply wrong about Trump...

AND THAT'S ALL IT TAKES, for enough people to suspend their belief long enough to cast a vote.

So, tens of millions of Americans are wrong about Trump... But YOU are right??? :D

You have learned well of arrogance, my friend.. But, then again, you had a good teacher.. :D

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ALL ARE DESIGNED to insure a HUGE EXPLOSION in DEFICIT SPENDING.

When Trump's deficit spending approaches Obama's, then you'll have an argument...

Enough Americans wanted to try to kick over the apple cart, and would have voted for the devil himself if that is what it took to do so, and damn the consequences.

Exactly...

So what does that tell you about Hillary Clinton??

She was the WRONG candidate for this election...

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