Every.
Single.
Point.

Asshole,

Yea, "facts" that you cannot support by ANY documentation or proof..

Ergo.. Not facts...

Nothing but fevered fabrications of an ideologically enslaved mind...

For example..

The Germans haven't caught the driver of the truck... so we don't know if he was a refugee.

The Germans haven't CAUGHT the driver of the truck, but they HAVE identified him. And he is a refugee...

Like I said. You have no facts...

Fabrications?

Facts.

Every.
Single.
Point.

The refugees from Libya and Syria are the result of right wing militarism.

The Germans haven't caught the driver of the truck... so we don't know if he was a refugee.

Merkel's party is not part of the left in Germany.

Is it ignorance, denial, or do you just enjoy looking stupid?

You earn your moniker regularly.

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And Merkel is not part of the left wing in Germany.
So, what are you talking about?

Asshole,

I honestly don't know how to respond to such blatant ideological-based fabrications...

Ya got me..

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Right wing militarism created the refugee crisis in Europe.

But the initial person who was arrested was a refugee... the actual perpetrator may not be.

And Merkel is not part of the left wing in Germany.
So, what are you talking about?

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Michelle Obama’s hubris that only her husband could provide hope, despite the unpopularity of his policies (his personal popularity remains high), may be why St. Paul cautioned: “Do not think more highly of yourself than you ought.” (Romans 12:3). Pride is the first sin, which leads to all others.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/20/cal-thomas-what-michelle-obama-doesnt-understand-about-hope-and-humility.html?refresh=true

The arrogance of the Obamas still astounds me...

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"They don't really seem Ancient-eee"
Lt Col John Shepard, STARGATE ATLANTIS

:D

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ISIS praises 'soldier' who carried out Berlin massacre as police STILL hunt gunman who killed 12 in lorry attack - but are forced to release asylum seeker suspect after admitting he's the wrong man
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049442/Terror-attack-fears-lorry-ploughs-Christmas-market-Berlin-leaving-two-people-dead.html

Why is that so difficult???

Yea, typical of a Left Wingery administration.. So myopically opposed to fighting Islamic terrorism, that they make bonehead mistakes like this....

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:D

It now seems the German police may not have captured the right person...

Asshole,

Link???

It now seems the German police may not have captured the right person...

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GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel is facing a backlash after 12 people were killed when a “refugee” ploughed through innocent revellers at a Christmas market in a truck.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2440378/german-far-right-and-security-experts-blame-angela-merkels-open-door-migrant-policy-for-berlin-truck-attack-by-refugee/

This is why an open refugee program is so dangerous...

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I said I would endeavor to be more compassionate and understanding.......

I will endeavor harder....

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Donald Trump wins Electoral College - as attempts to cause rebellion turn to farce with DEMOCRATS deserting Hillary
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4048394/The-Latest-Electoral-College-meets-formally-elect-Trump.html

MORE electors were faithless to Hillary than to Trump... :D

Ya really can't make this stuff up!!

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In 1960, in the World Series, the Yankees scored more runs than the Pirates.... 55 to 27...

The Yankees also had a higher hit average than the Pirates... .329 to .256

But the Pirates won the series because they won the games in the right way according to the rules..

Did New York fans whine and cry, "But!!! But!!! But!!! The Yankees had more runs than the Pirates overall!!!! Screw the rules!!! Declare the Yankees the winners!!!"

The vanity vote is meaningless... If you take away California, Trump won the vanity vote by nearly the same amount as Hillary did...

And THAT is as meaningless as the vanity vote itself...

Trump won.... Get over it already...

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Donald Trump makes a whirlwind US tour to thank the American people, the ones that put him in the White House..

Hillary Clinton has a party to thank big-dollar donors for their money that she, in turn, flushed down the toilet..

That right there EPITOMIZES the divide between the Democratic Party and the American people...

The DP stands for big-dollar donors...

Donald Trump stands with the American people...

The facts are clear...

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Someone needs a nap...... :D

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Yes, it *COULD* be Zebras...

But the fact that one goes there FIRST is telling...

Especially when it's driven by ideology...

If it's ideologically advantageous to think ZEBRA, one thinks Zebras... If it's ideologically advantageous to think HORSE, one thinks horses...

No where is this on display better than with the RUSSIANS ARE THE ENEMY meme...

When it was ideologically advantageous to say Russians were NOT the enemy, as in 2012 to ridicule Romney, then Russians were NOT the enemy..

When it is ideologically advantageous to say Russians ARE the enemy, as in the 2016 election, then all of the sudden, Russians ARE the enemy..

We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia..

It's 1984, courtesy of the Democratic Party..

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So, in other words.....

When you hear hoof beats, you think "Zebras! Gotta be zebras..."

:D

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Him yelling ALLAH AKHBAR!!!! kinda gave it away.. :D

Awww, come on... The ONLY reason you don't believe the gunman is because it doesn't fit with your Anti-Russian agenda-of-the-day... :D

Ya mean, like the Left was when Bush was "on vacation"?? :D

Regardless, even YOU must admit that the optics were horrible....

Well, you would if you weren't enslaved by Party.. :D

I'd look first for Putin's fingerprints on it. I know the guy stood up and yelled jihadist slogans, but he could have been recruited by Putin's old friends, or by Erdogan.

So, in other words, you agree with Romney when he said back in 2012 that Russia is our number one foe....

Funny how the Left ridiculed Romney back then, eh?? :D

Romney was downright prescience...

Want to give him some credit??

No??

Didna think so... :D

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Do I believe the gunman? Not necessarily. The fact that he'd just killed someone doesn't enhance his credibility.

2018 can't come soon enough.

As for the death of the Ambassador:
I'd look first for Putin's fingerprints on it. I know the guy stood up and yelled jihadist slogans, but he could have been recruited by Putin's old friends, or by Erdogan. Why? Because closer ties to Turkey are exactly what Putin wants. Putin even released a statement afterward that emphasized that 'nothing' would prevent Russia from getting closer to Turkey (and by the way, sorry about the ambassador, love, Vlad).

Now if, on the other hand, Russia's abominable behavior in Syria is drawing the attention and scorn of the Jihadists, wouldn't this be exactly the wrong time to cozy up to Russia ourselves?

Russian Ambassador shot dead in Turkey...

"I think I'll go play golf.."
-Barack Obama

:^/

Change the name to Donald Trump and the Left Wingery would collectively lose their minds...

20 Jan 2017 can't come soon enough...

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As Tom Cruise would say...

"Now, I don't know what all that means.... But it sounds pretty bad..."

:D

Because they are doomed to fail, we could be witnessing the death throes of the Democratic Party as we know it. With Obama and the Clintons encouraging the attempted theft of an election they lost and failing to denounce intimidation and death threats against Trump electoral voters, most Americans have reason to consider the Dems a dead letter.
http://nypost.com/2016/12/18/time-to-face-reality-obama-trump-is-going-to-be-president/

I honestly never thought I would live to see the day that the Democrats would try and overthrow a fair election solely and completely because they lost...

It's mind-boggling...

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It's an dead accurate summation of ANYONE with common sense, more than 2 brain-cells to rub together and not enslaved by Party ideology...

Trump is the personification of a temper tantrum of the right; a red-faced, feet-kicking, utterly destructive meltdown.....

And yet, it's the entirety of the Left Wingery who is, either by commission or omission, exhibiting those EXACT tendencies that you ascribe to the Right...

Funny how that is, eh?? :D

And like a lot of abusive siblings (or husbands), this is how the right gets away with all of the venomous, hateful things they said during the campaign

And, as I point it, yet, it's the LEFT who is trying to get away with all those hateful and venomous things...

Ironic, iddn't it.. :D

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"Hey, I was just angry; you have only yourselves to blame for making me angry."

It's that simple and any attempt to blame ANYONE and ANYTHING other than Hillary is nothing but sore loser/sour grapes...

That sounds like a dead-accurate summation of the response of the Republican electorate today. That it also sounds like it belongs in a schoolyard is beside the point, or perhaps it IS the point: Trump is the personification of a temper tantrum of the right; a red-faced, feet-kicking, utterly destructive meltdown, because they haven't gotten their way for the last eight years.

And having finally gained access to their sister's bedroom, they intend to rip down the Justin Bieber and Katy Perry posters and paint the pink walls black. They have plans for their hated fraternal foe: maybe a heavy metal party with lots of puking, I dunno - I don't think they've thought that far ahead...

That about sums up the vast majority of Democrats these days... :D

Present company excepted, of course... :D

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Bill Clinton is such a jackass sore loser..

Clinton can't get it thru his booze addled brain that millions, if not TENS of millions of those "angry white men" voted for Obama.. TWICE....

It wasn't racism that lost Hillary the election...

It wasn't sexism that lost Hillary the election...

It wasn't the Russians that lost Hillary the election...

It wasn't Fake News that lost Hillary the election...

It wasn't FBI Director James Comey that lost Hillary the election...

HILLARY lost the election because she was a crappy candidate and a greedy liar and cheat...

It's that simple and any attempt to blame ANYONE and ANYTHING other than Hillary is nothing but sore loser/sour grapes...

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6 years ago, we were arguing the exact same point.. How Obama picked the people who had a had in the financial meltdown to fix things.. :D

But back then, ya'all were arguing the point made in #71 and I was arguing ya'all's here and now point.. :D

It's going to be a wild 8 years, eh?? :D

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“I was never of the belief that the way you bring about change is to not hire anybody who knows how things work, and to start from scratch and completely reinvent the wheel. I’m the one who brings change. It is my vision. It is my agenda.”
-Barack Obama

:D

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Sounds like someone who knows how badly the Democrats have scroo'ed the pooch.. :D

Especially in fiscal matters...

And after that, Trump supporters need to understand that it doesn't end there - it begins there.

And that's what's so funny.. Trump supporters have NO problem with that. :D It's only the Left who is whining and crying...

Present company excepted, of course.. :D

There is still a congress which, despite a Republican majority, has quite a range of opinion, and some of those dissenters will be Republicans. There are business and special interest groups ready to spend vast amounts of cash to promote their issues, and there are States with Democratic majorities who will balk and sue just as Republican states did for Obama. So Trump and his supporters will need to take the lyrics of Trump's odd choice for campaign theme song: "You can't always get what you want" to heart.

Oh of course.. That's a given..

But as fragmented and as leaderless and rudder-less as the Democratic Party is, in the here and now, Trump will be able to get a LOT of what he wants..

"The reward could be.. well... more wealth than YOU can imagine!!"
"I dunno.. I can imagine quite a bit..."
-Star Wars

:D

..until we reach the issue of the use of the logo of the confederacy, a flag of treason, which is still memorialized in several state flags, and embraced by the 'patriotic' right.

A flag of treason?? :D hehehehehe

Is it patriotic to burn a US flag?

Of course it isn't... But it's permissible..

So if we were to impose actual American values on the rest of the world, it would necessarily include the right of the rest of the world to tell us to fuck off. That's fair.

Abso-frakin'-loutly

And, inadvertently I am sure, you have supported my point and hit the nail on the head as to why Trump supporters to the Democratic Party to...ummm.. what were your words?? "FUCK OFF"....

Because your Globalists/Corporatists/Establishment Party wanted to IMPOSE their globalization by force...

A true and viable one world government can only come about when it is achieved by mutual consent...

"Elections have consequences"
-Barack Obama

Trump won the election fair and by the rules...

Someone needs to clue the Democratic Party in on this undeniable FACT...

Because, in the here and now from where I sit, the Democratic Party is looking like a hysterical bunch of birthers...

And THAT is how history will record them...

. Gun control would be the top priority until sensible gun laws were in place.

Sensible gun laws ARE in place... That's the fact that you just won't concede... You can have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the history of the world and bad things will STILL happen..

One only has to look at Chicago and California to know that this is true.....

All the gun laws in the world would not have stopped Sandy Hook...

. Instead she did a poor impersonation of Bernie and alternated that with drummed up fear of Trump).

Exactly.. Hillary ONLY went with "TRUMP IS EVIL, TRUMP IS BAD" because that is ALL Hillary had.... She couldn't talk positive about herself because there was nothing positive to say...

So, her ONLY plan was to talk Trump down... Her ONLY plan was to get the media to talk Trump down..

But Trump supporters knew better.. Hillary is a bona fide liar and could not be trusted.. She proved that over and over again..

As for the media?? There is a reason why the media has approval numbers that are in the toilet. They proved that they were in the bag for Hillary over and over again...

The more Hillary and the MSM knocked Trump, the higher his approval numbers went...

Besides, his faults were..are..so glaring, that, like the kid who could see the emperor's nudity when others wouldn't, we felt compelled to say, "But, but..don't you see it too? He's an old, rich, exhibitionist, wagging his sack in our faces and telling us it's a purse, and daring us to disagree."

OR....

Or... Your wrong and that's why Trump won...

"We can't discard the possibility just because we don't happen to like it.."
-Martin Sheen, THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

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Nobody in the Democratic party is as far left as Jeremy Corbyn... nobody.
Your concern doesn't match reality.
(and Corbyn's viability has yet to be tested in the UK)

The economic policies we both support are supported by the majority... how many times do I have to point that out? We are the center.

A Medicare for all system is by far the most cost effective approach. In the meantime, negotiating drug prices has majority support and would reduce costs significantly.
I assume that you are talking about the government paying back the trillions in the SS trust? Collecting the taxes and then reneging on the benefits won't fly. But the "get nothing" claim is right wing fear mongering.
In any case, raising the minimum wage would increase the taxes collected for both programs and deal with a big chunk of the problem.

We were discussing economics...

And I think you're wrong about Hillary.

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Yeah but what do you do when all the media wants to talk about is your opponent? Backhanded compliments will only get you so far. Besides, his faults were..are..so glaring, that, like the kid who could see the emperor's nudity when others wouldn't, we felt compelled to say, "But, but..don't you see it too? He's an old, rich, exhibitionist, wagging his sack in our faces and telling us it's a purse, and daring us to disagree."

A self described socially liberal economic conservative

My concern is that:

1. The Democrats will put up a Jeremy Corbyn style candidate - marvelous chap and loved by the party, but unlikely to win an election. Bernie reminds me a bit of Jeremy, but Bernie has a lot more charisma.

2. The economic policies that we both support will be at the extreme end of the spectrum and will scare off the center

3. Without a plan to cut Military spending and put SS & Medicare on solid financial ground, then we will get nothing or blow a big hole in the deficit. This plan can include raising taxes on everybody, especially the wealthy, imposing a transaction or volume tax on certain forms of trading, etc. but if we let a left wing administration blow a hole in the deficit, it is just as bad as letting a right wing government do it.

In the U.K. the population is fairly centrist. In Germany and France it leans slightly left. But in the U.S. the political center is way further to the right of center. Nowhere else would put up with Sandy Hooks, etc. Gun control would be the top priority until sensible gun laws were in place. Nowhere else would allow military funding at the levels we have. The list goes on.

To win an election we need to be appealing to the center with feasible policies and learn how to counter right wing fear mongering (because that is all they have, and when we play that game, we lose - Hillary could have got 5% more votes and won in a real landslide if she had stuck to her true convictions and sold their vision for a better America. Instead she did a poor impersonation of Bernie and alternated that with drummed up fear of Trump).

And after that, Trump supporters need to understand that it doesn't end there - it begins there.

There is still a congress which, despite a Republican majority, has quite a range of opinion, and some of those dissenters will be Republicans. There are business and special interest groups ready to spend vast amounts of cash to promote their issues, and there are States with Democratic majorities who will balk and sue just as Republican states did for Obama. So Trump and his supporters will need to take the lyrics of Trump's odd choice for campaign theme song: "You can't always get what you want" to heart.

For patriotic Americans, American values supercede regional values..

..until we reach the issue of the use of the logo of the confederacy, a flag of treason, which is still memorialized in several state flags, and embraced by the 'patriotic' right.

So your use of the qualifier 'patriotic' in this context carries a few pieces of luggage of its own.

Is it patriotic to burn a US flag? Supreme Court says it is. You know why? Because everyone here has the right to say, 'fuck off' to folks who think they know what American values are.

So if we were to impose actual American values on the rest of the world, it would necessarily include the right of the rest of the world to tell us to fuck off. That's fair.

Sounds like a Democrat/Independent to me Michale ;)

#TrumpisaRepublicanGetOverIt

This means Congress are actually going to do something. Which I thought was the most scary threat the right wing could hear "I'm from the government and we're here to help".

Regardless of Russian super-duper spy programs..... regardless of Elector harassment.... regardless of useless recounts...

Donald Trump will be the 45th President Of The United States...

The Left needs to come to grips with this reality...

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"You're not wrong.."
-Chuck AKA God, SUPERNATURAL

:D

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Electors being harassed and attacked to change their votes..

How can ANYONE who calls themselves "American" fail to condemn those actions???

No one will condemn it because it's being carried out by Hillary supporters with Hillary's tacit approval..

And THAT's why the actions are not condemned...

Actions that are wholly and utterly UN-American...

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"My opinions about economics have not changed. We are now talking about achieving the economics goal we both agreed upon a few weeks ago. In a democracy with a lot of points of view, extreme solutions never prevail."

According to your own words over the last few weeks, you support the leftist economic policies that have the support of the majority... by definition NOT "extreme solutions"... and that means you are NOT an economic conservative (this shouldn't be news to you). In politics, conservative means right wing... maybe the problem here is that you are using the dictionary definition?... as in not extreme.

If the majority already supports those policies, we don't need to "convince them" or "articulate them in a manner that appeals to them".
We just need real left candidates who will fight to enact them.

We didn't "vote ourselves" Medicare and SS, we voted for candidates that would fight for and enact them.

Hillary and Obama DO NOT support the leftist economic policies we've been discussing that have majority support, or they would have been pursued and campaigned on.
Obama and Hillary are undeniably defenders of trickle down economics... the status quo.
And the status quo economics is far from "center left".

The real left supporting fake left candidates is the problem.

Forgive me for jerking your chain to make that point.

But the real left attacking other people in the real left as extremists for pushing for policies that they themselves support is also part of the problem. Do you have a mirror?

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Moving on...
Bernie getting 43% of the vote is not a "thumping". Hillary adopting, or rather pretending to adopt his policies was also due to their support... so it wasn't the policies that weren't popular.
The media excluding Bernie from coverage except negative and false portrayals just like those from all the fake left Hillary supporters in Congress and our establishment, portraying the race as over before it began and all during the primaries because of the superdelegate numbers, scheduling debates at times designed to limit exposure, and unfair practices against Bernie by the DNC for which people got fired certainly did occur.

State party shenanigans excluding millions of voters from participation in the primaries through voter registration purges (22 states) and closed primaries and early registration deadlines also occurred.
The lack of name recognition and machine politics loyalty in southern red states that were never going to be competitive in the general can't be ignored as a major factor in that measly 7% difference by which Bernie lost either.

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Who are these "extreme nutcase left" people you are referring to?
Are they the people who support the policies you support, or are you talking about real socialists whose members represent .0006% of the population and have zero representation in Congress and in this forum?

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No, claiming anybody here wants the government to control the means of production, aka socialism, is a straw man.

The truth about fake left Democratic candidates who do not support the leftist economic policies you support is not a straw man.

I know you've been railing against inequality, which is why you are not part of the fake left... despite your mistaken affinity for their candidates.

A strong military does not require unnecessary and illegal wars using it. In fact, such wars weaken our military and create more enemies than we kill.

You're going to have to expand on what you mean by "sensible discussions about our military and Medicare/SS"
You supported a strong safety net and universal healthcare recently... if that's what you mean by sensible, I'm on board and have been.

A tiny transaction tax on Wall Street trades to pay for higher education seems sensible to me too, and does not require cutting the safety net or military spending.

You supported legislation to mitigate the harmful effects of free trade recently too. Fake left candidates do not. I agree with you, not them.

I believe I already covered the part about how sensible left wing economic policies you support already have majority support.
We just need real left candidates who support them.

Whew!

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Yes, I have already conceded that Obama deserves credit for that...

Just as Trump deserves credit for HIS actions...

Would you care to narrow that down a bit, because you've said here that folks who didn't vote for Trump didn't have 'American' values..

Actually, I said EXACTLY that.. Trump isn't a Republican or a Democrat.. He's an American....

And THAT's why Americans voted for him...

Hillary voters voted for a Democrats...

Trump voters voted for an American....

How about New York values, not Texas values? How about Utah values, not Maine values, or gods forbid, Tennessee values?

For patriotic Americans, American values supercede regional values..

That's what people in New York and California who voted for Hillary forget...

They are Democrats first and Americans second.. Sometimes not even second..

Just like Hillary...

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And what's wrong with that?? Especially if some does good....

Why hasn't Obama tried to save ANY of those jobs?

So you agree that the Millions of jobs saved by the Auto Industry Loan Program (aka the Auto Bailout) just dwarf all of that.

But as you say, 'can't save every job', eh?

Would you care to narrow that down a bit, because you've said here that folks who didn't vote for Trump didn't have 'American' values..

How about New York values, not Texas values? How about Utah values, not Maine values, or gods forbid, Tennessee values?

Do you understand how UN-American that whole line of reasoning is? Eventually we have to get to a place where a fellow with, say, Kentucky values can express himself without fear of retribution. That's what America stands for: be what you want to be, not 'salute my flag or else!'.

That's because you refuse to acknowledge it..

What about the other 1,300 jobs.

It's a shame that Trump couldn't save ALL the jobs.. But failure to do so in NO WAY diminishes the act of the jobs he DID save...

Why hasn't Obama tried to save ANY of those jobs???

Because he doesn't give a shit..

Would Hillary had tried to save ANY of those jobs if she had won??

Of course not..

Why??

Because she doesn't give a shit..

By 2020 you'll be wishing you'd voted Hillary as Trump's true colors become apparent.

TRUMP IS TOAST-esque prediction #244... :D

In fact 60% of Trump supporters will wish they'd voted for Hillary in four years time ;)

TRUMP IS TOAST-esque prediction #245...

My prediction is already on record.. Trump will win re-election by a landslide the likes we haven't seen since Reagan..

And at least 60% of Weigantia will be voting for Trump... :D

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Nope, you miss the "I'm the hero" angle.

Plus you've spanked the Carrier "deal" to death. What about the other 1,300 jobs. The Renaud ball bearing plant? Having one CEO that does billions in business with the government take a $7M bribe to make Trump look good isn't really that consequential (he then had to spoil it by lying - he just can't help himself, claiming 1,100 jobs instead of 800 and then attacking the local union leader).

By 2020 you'll be wishing you'd voted Hillary as Trump's true colors become apparent.

In fact 60% of Trump supporters will wish they'd voted for Hillary in four years time ;)

You are confused..

THAT is Hillary Clinton...

Which is why she lost..

Someone with a ME persona wouldn't have negotiated the Carrier deal.. She would have said, "Frak it, I won! I don't have to do jack shit!!"

Unfortunately what works in the NY real-estate market doesn't translate well to running a country of 320M people.

I guess we'll find out, eh?? :D

He only has one persona: me.

We agree. That is what I'm worried about. He takes big risks with other people on the line, then runs behind lawyers if it doesn't work out. Unfortunately what works in the NY real-estate market doesn't translate well to running a country of 320M people.

So I'm not an American?

By voting for Hillary, you chose the Globalist identity BEFORE the American identity..

You chose the President that "dreamed of open borders" and a dilution of American exceptionalism...

That's fine... I don't think any less of you over that... I too want a global one world government.. It's the only way we can join the United Federation of Planets.... :D

But I want a one world government based on AMERICAN values.. Not Chinese values or Russian values or, gods forbid, ISLAMIC values... :^/

And neither are the other 66 million people who voted for Hillary.

Thank goodness you don't subscribe to identity politics.

I *DO* subscribe to "identity" politics insofar as the *ONLY* "identity" that's relevant in this debate...

AMERICAN identity......

The funny thing is, is that *MY* "identity" politics is all inclusive whereas the Left's identity politics is all divisive....

Funny how that is...

:D

I never claimed Trump was a man of the people..

I know exactly who and what Trump is..

He is a man who takes shortcuts to get things done..

Since you dislike him, you will concentrate on the shortcuts..

With me, I am more concerned about the getting things done part..

But have you looked at his cabinet picks?

Yes, disrupters all.. People who will go into their respective agencies and render a much needed kick in the ass attitude adjustment...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-picks.html?ref=todayspaper

What part of CHANGE/ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT did ya'all not understand?? :D

But you keep telling me Trump is the centrist, fight for the little guy politician we've all been waiting for.

And the evidence to date supports that assertion..

It may change.... It may not...

But in the here and now, it's clear that Trump is a true Independent...

Trump has been a Democrat longer than he has been a Republican...

Why are you so sure that his Republican persona will be dominant??

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AMERICANS voted for Donald Trump....

So I'm not an American?

And neither are the other 66 million people who voted for Hillary.

But the 63 million who voted for Trump are.

Thank goodness you don't subscribe to identity politics.

#NoSarcasmHereOfficer

You desperate naivety about Trump being a man of the people is sweet. But have you looked at his cabinet picks?

For Education we have a home schooler.
For Energy we have a dimwit that thinks glasses make him look smarter.
For Housing we have a self described amateur.
For Labor we have a Fast Food CEO who wants to abolish the minimum wage.

The most consensus we have from the Republican Party isn't repealing Obamacare (they've realized that it is a good idea after all). It isn't working on policies to create high quality jobs (they want to lower or abolish the minimum wage), it isn't even to build a bloody wall or punish Hillary even though they know she did nothing wrong. No the #1 priority, with the bills ready to sign and everybody chomping at the bit for January 20th is a tax cut for the wealthy. From 40% to 33%. They are going to make out like bandits. You kids deficit (it ain't ours, we will be long gone before that credit card bill arrives in the mail) will balloon as we also give their buddies in Lockheed Martin etc. lots more of their money.

But you keep telling me Trump is the centrist, fight for the little guy politician we've all been waiting for.

What gives with another straw man?

You mean like the "fake left" straw man that you created and then pinned trickle down to?

I can see clearly with my own eyes the growing inequalities that trickle down and tax cuts for the rich have given us. I'm the one harping on incessantly about the bloody Gini co-efficient.

However I'm also the person who has seen the overall economy grow significantly. I've pointed you to the last three years' Credit Suisse World Wealth Reports that show that our average wealth per person is over $300K while the median is under $45K.

We have voted ourselves a basic retirement and socialized healthcare for over 65 year olds. We have accepted Medicare Part D without screaming about the non-negotiation clause regarding prices, and even when we tried to fight back in California with Prop 61 it was defeated. We like giving ourselves money, and we like a strong Military.

Until we can have sensible discussions about the Military and SS/Medicare we can entertain lovely thoughts about free tertiary education. Until we accept that technology, not China or Mexico or Vietnam decimated our heavy industry, and that free trade agreements (even with, horror of horrors, clauses that you don't like) have grown our economy and lifted 100's of millions out of abject poverty. Until we realize that imposing one person's certainty that they are right on a democracy isn't going to work without blood, then we can have a sensible discussion about the future.

In the interim please continue your left wing purity. I have to listen to too much right wing purity as well. It is a free country and the 1st amendment give you the right.

But don't expect me to believe nonsense solutions to adopt sensible economic policies until you can show me how to get most of the country to vote for them.

OR somebody in the middle...

That's really the point ya'all miss about Trump...

While support for Clinton and Obama is totally, completely and unequivocally 1000% ideological, the support for Trump is completely, totally and unequivocally 1000% patriotic...

In other words, Democrats voted for Hillary Clinton...

AMERICANS voted for Donald Trump....

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My opinions about economics have not changed. We are now talking about achieving the economics goal we both agreed upon a few weeks ago. In a democracy with a lot of points of view, extreme solutions never prevail. For everybody on the left that rails about inequality, etc. there is somebody on the right (cue Michale) who thinks we are living in a socialist hellhole that only people like Trump can make better.

I'm not going to change your opinions any more than I am Michale's, but there are sound policies out there that we can convince the population is good for them, if only we can articulate them in a fashion that appeals to them.

You can conflate center left economics with trickle down and tell us we are tools of the right until the cows come home, but the sensible left is the one that can win. Look at the thumping Bernie got in the primaries by a candidate you have all been trashing for the last few weeks. And don't tell me that the DNC told me and millions of others how to vote.

The membership of the nut case left is going to swell if Trump nosedives and especially if his paper thin ego causes him to lash out in every direction. Let's hope we don't get a left wing nut case caucus in Congress like the Republicans have with the Freedom Caucus. But I'm not ruling it out after 2018 if Trump creates a massive backlash.

Then we will have two extremes that maybe will create the crucible that can bring the sensible left and the sensible right together. Maybe a new "Sensible Party" can be the whipping boy for the extremists on both sides but wins elections and gets the country moving again. I can only hope.

I'm not blaming trickle down economics on the left wing, I'm blaming it on the fake left who have wholly embraced it as evidenced by recent history and Hillary's campaign.

What gives with another straw man?

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You can claim supporters of right wing economics are part of the "real left" until the cows come home.

It's a lie.
Not true.
Factually challenged.

Your past and anecdotes about your friends are irrelevant. Things are different here.
A straw man about socialism is another disappointing tactic that should be beneath you.
And, it's not addressing the content of my comment.

And you can't claim that the Obama administration wouldn't have been more successful economically and politically if he had embraced left wing populist economics.

We will never know, because he didn't try.
We know he did continue right wing economics (which had just caused massive wealth destruction in case you want a locally relevant anecdote), and it was economically mediocre and politically harmful across the board for Democrats.

And don't think I didn't notice you ended by admitting you are in the center, Mr "Real Left".
Or is it Jekyll and Hyde?
I'm guessing it's self delusion since liars cover their tracks better.

Of course, right wing economics isn't centrist either. But delusion has consequences... for example the disconnect between your comments today and those of the past few weeks where you actually supported truly centrist economic policies supported by the majority.
But, whatever.
Maybe those were the true delusions.

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Podesta refuses to say election was 'fair and free'
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310941-podesta-refuses-to-say-election-was-fair-and-free

Hypocrite, thy name is Camp Clinton

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I like whining about Obama.. :D And Democrats :D

TRUMP IS TOAST-esque prediction #212.. :D

Because I just like whining about Trump.

Fair enough.. Kudos for the honesty... :D

It can't be both ways, if he is getting congratulated today, he should also be held to account for breaking promises today.

He is being congratulated today because he has gone above and beyond what a President Elect normally does to honor his promises to the people who voted for him..

But there are limits to what he can do as President Elect..

If Obama wants to step aside and hand over the reigns now??? I mean, it's not as if Obama is being effective at ANYTHING... He puts the LAME in Lame Duck...

THEN you'll have an argument to make.. :D

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Trickle down economics is a farce. Don't try to lump me in with that self serving POS. While you have enough voters to stuff Congress with Grover Norquist idiots we can't make the tax laws more progressive, but to blame that on the left wing is just the game these clowns want you to play.

A follow up to some of Obama's presser claims would be interesting.

Specifically I'd like to see an analysis of whether the ballot referendums increasing the minimum wage (which Obama had nothing to do with) are responsible for the increase in the median wage and the decrease in poverty.

I haven't come across any analysis on the subject yet, but if you or anyone else stumbles across one, please share.

Along a similar line of thought, an analysis that determined whether those claims were based on the depressed income and increased poverty from the Great Recession would provide some context too.

Thanks
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i.e. the real left.

Your left is the left of the SWP, the WRP that I grew up with. I lived for several years in a run down apartment with leaking roof in Scotland with two left wing radicals. I've read the left wing "Socialist Party Principles" document.

I don't need an explanation about the fake left, I've heard it time and time again, and you know what, it makes no difference.

Being pure and winning no votes is pointless. Compromising and realizing that we live in a world of shared for gray, not black and white or white and black depending on which extreme edge of purity you happen to ascribe to does nothing. Even when you get a populist clown that instigates a revolution, be it Chavez, Pinochet, Ortega or Ergodan the same story plays out. We get revenge against the "oppressors" then a kleptocracy (have you checked out what Ortega is doing in Nicaragua recently?).

And that election that I lost for you managed to get more people voting for a left wing candidate than any other in the history of the U.S. bar one - and that was the last left wing candidate I supported for the same reasons.

My old friend Paul, who used to buy "Socialist Workers" paper every week and railed incessantly against Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives is now as center left as I am. My left wing medical student friend, Brendan, is now a Consultant in the NHS and still rails on about the Conservatives but is as much a part of the establishment and has also moved to the centre now he has a lovely family of six to support and likes the big pay check all his hard work has earned him. It pays for his kids can go to good schools and have nice European vacations. And good luck to both of them, they are still great guys and deserve everything they have, even though they wanted to take it away from everybody else when they were 22.

I've got about as much time for the "pure left" as I do for the RWNJs. Once you can build something, I'll be impressed, but so far, like Trump, all I hear is patronizing drivel and a pattern of wealth destruction (Ortega, Chavez, Pinochet, Ergodan, Putin) that the responsible people in the centre need to fix later on.

No, it isn't. I defy you to find one statistic wrong in the infographic. Most of the wealth creating counties, even in Texas for Pete's sake, voted for Hillary. These are the counties and states that invest in their communities and create places where people want to live and work.

People don't want to live and work in dead coal counties with no restaurants, no theatre, no symphonies, no beautiful shopping areas. It just is. This was a FU election and the Democrats didn't get fired up enough. But the Democrats are angry now because Trump is trashing our way of life and his victory tour is an insult that plays well with the angry Republicans, but will only serve to galvanize support against him.

Look at what happened to Vanity Fair - Trump tweets that they are losing subscribers, and they have the single best day for subscriptions any magazine has had for decades. Look at Obamacare - record breaking sign ups as soon as Trump announces he is going to kill it - the beast has awoken, and chances are Trump won't be able to help himself and will keep poking the growing fire in the left's belly.

We have figured Trump out - he is pathetically sensitive to criticism, particularly of his perceived intelligence and his precious properties. He will lash out and the left will use that to get their supporters angry. It is already happening where I live - my wife is incandescent. My friends intend to donate money and time at the next election to "get this orange clown out and fast".

I'm hoping Trump succeeds beyond all expectations, just as I hope every plane I get on to doesn't crash even if I'm concerned about the pilot. But this pilot is staggering into the cockpit smelling of beer and slurring. If we have to replace him half way through the flight I'm ready for that too.

"The left, the real left that realizes that extremism isn't just a problem on the right, and that politics is the art of the possible. The real left that knows that in a democracy you need the people behind you but you need to work to convince them, not berate them. The real left that get things done not undermine the insufficiently pure. The real left have known about the venality of the press for centuries, not decades. It isn't news that there is crap journalism."

You are not part of the real left, by self admission, so you are either delusional or lying when you misrepresent people such as yourself as the real left. You lack standing. And calling the fake left the real left doesn't alter the reality.

A self described socially liberal economic conservative who supported a candidate just like himself and couldn't get the people behind them thus costing the Democrats an easily winnable election lecturing the left about the real left is laughable.

Fake left Democrats embracing Big Money and their trickle down economics is not practical when it costs them elections and prevents getting things done.
Fake left Democrats supporting a president that embraces Big Money and trickle down economics and refuses to even attempt enacting leftist policies is not the art of the possible.
Fake left Democrats attacking the safety net and enacting right wing corporatism at the behest of their Big Money donors and alienating their base is not the art of the possible.
Fake left Democrats supporting right wing militarism is not practical when it violates core beliefs while misallocating trillions of dollars and makes spending on productive policies impossible.
Fake left Democrats abandoning their base is not practical or the art of the possible when it costs them elections.

The fake left doesn't get things done BECAUSE they are insufficiently pure.

Inaction on leftist policies that are supported by overwhelming majorities of the people is the true extremism... by definition. And the flipside to that is that supporting policies supported by the overwhelming majority is by definition NOT extremism.

And the left berating the fake left that has duped so many is a moral obligation and necessity if their insidious influence is to be ended.

As far as journalism goes, the fake left Democratic presidential candidate stood on the floor of the Senate and went on TV and repeated fake news propaganda to help sell an unnecessary and illegal war of aggression. Fake left i.e. right wing economics determined her votes in the Senate. She based her campaign on and embraced right wing economics sold by fake news outlets.

Your fake "real left" is part of the problem.

It's not "crap journalism". It's carefully crafted for effectiveness in selling crap policies by design and intention.

The fake left embracing and defending it and then whining about fake news is hypocrisy.

Most of the "responsible publications and news channels" have participated in disseminating this fake news propaganda, and you are once again delusional or lying when you deny this doesn't amount to corruption, and that we shouldn't point out this undeniable truth.

And, for the record, trying to paint those who are acting against this corruption as paranoids who "see demons everywhere" is a classic propaganda technique to delegitimize the opposition, and it is truly sad that you would engage in it. After earning my respect, stooping so low is disappointing.

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Because I just like whining about Trump.

Also, every time Trump does something his supporters like they crow about it (800 jobs at Carrier), but every time I point out the things he is walking away from (special prosecutor for Hillary, Mexico paying for the Wall) I'm told to be patient.

It can't be both ways, if he is getting congratulated today, he should also be held to account for breaking promises today.

And the possibility is greater that those things will happen.

If they don't the pendulum will swing. If they do, President Trump is reelected in a landslide that hasn't been seen since Reagan. You will vote for Trump then

Um, not according to facts:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/11/ClintonCounties.jpg&w=1484

Hillary won 64% of the economy of the U.S.

Here is a possibility that won't happen because the Republicans will change the rules.

1. Massive across the board tax cuts
2. Repeal Obamacare
3. Increased military spending
4. Dramatic decrease in government spending to mitigate the costs of 1 and 3. 2 is a wash at best of the Republicans from a spending perspective as the costs will get pushed down to ER coverage.
5. States get less money from the Federal government
6. Blue states increase state tax to cover the loss and replace services
7. Republicans announce that taxes will be too high in California, etc. and that businesses will move to paradises like Texas resulting in California's economy crashing
8. The rich people who pay the taxes in California grumble and announce they are moving to Texas, just like everybody on both sides said they were moving to Canada.
9. A few businesses up and leave, and get huge airtime on Fox News
10. Most businesses stay because smart but not wealthy people like good healthcare, government services, etc. that California and the blue states provide.
11. More and more red states look more and more like Kansas
12. Your average red state voter who has been told to blame "Libtards" and Obama for a decade realize that every single politician who represents them all the way through state government, Congress and the White House is a Republican, and things are getting worse. Meanwhile the 64% of the country that voted for Hillary and is diverting the taxes from the Federal Government to State governments and providing good services are doing well.
13. The pendulum swings.

For example...

Where is the condemnation from the "Real" Left over the violent and abhorrent treatment of Electors by Hillary supporters???

Like I said...

It's one thing to CLAIM that one condemns in theory deplorable attacks such as this...

But unless one ACTUALLY condemns the ACTUAL act???

It's nothing but hollow words that are devoid of any real meaning...

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I will endeavor to be more compassionate and understanding...

I mean, honestly...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html?_r=0

How can you look at that map and come to ANY other conclusion than this country thoroughly and utterly rejected Hillary Clinton...

And yet, the Left... the "Real" Left *never* calls out the extremism from the Left. The "real" Left pretends it doesn't exist and ONLY castigates the Right for THEIR extremism, much of which actually isn't...

So, while I am sure that what you say is true, that the "Real" Left intellectually understands that extremism is present on BOTH sides of the political spectrum... If the "Real" Left remind silent on the LEFT extremism and ONLY attack the RIGHT extremism, then their claim is spurious and cannot be supported by facts..

There are good journalists working for responsible publications and news channels, but you have to pay for them. The Economist isn't free. The Guardian isn't going to be free for much longer. Even CW needs support. The BBC is paid for by license fees the Brits pay for us, so some if us get a free lunch there.

Fine... Then let Facebook PAY for fact-checkers that have no partisan bias....

No one would say BOO to that...

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"There you go again..."
-Ronald Reagan

Ya'all's variable definition of "lie" is increasingly annoying...

When a person states an intent to do something and then changes their mind due to changing circumstances, that is not a "lie" as it is commonly defined...

In the alternative, you can state for the record that Obama was "lying" when he said he would close Gitmo...

Where is the wall?

Jesus, why don't ya let Trump get sworn in???

Where's the GITMO closing??

Once again, we see the definitions changing, depending on whether the person has a '-D' or a '-R' after their name..

But as the jobs don't come back, the rural depressed counties keep declining,

The jobs ALREADY are coming back... :D And depressed counties???

You mean, the ones that are EUPHORIC that Trump was elected??

:D

Let's face reality, my friend.. The ONLY "depressed" counties are the ones, the very VERY few (relatively speaking), that Hillary won...

That's the reality whether you want to admit it or not... :D

Don't break our country on the road to your epiphany please.

Democrats and Obama have already broke the country...

Trump will get it fixed.. So much so that I bet YOU will vote Trump in 2020..

The left, the real left that realizes that extremism isn't just a problem on the right, and that politics is the art of the possible. The real left that knows that in a democracy you need the people behind you but you need to work to convince them, not berate them. The real left that get things done not undermine the insufficiently pure. The real left have known about the venality of the press for centuries, not decades. It isn't news that there is crap journalism.

There are good journalists working for responsible publications and news channels, but you have to pay for them. The Economist isn't free. The Guardian isn't going to be free for much longer. Even CW needs support. The BBC is paid for by license fees the Brits pay for us, so some if us get a free lunch there.

But if you see demons everywhere, and all the press is corrupted, maybe the demons have a more local source.

That's fanboyism at its purest.

"You people were vicious, violent, screaming, 'Where's the wall? We want the wall!' Screaming, 'Prison! Lock her up!' I mean, you are going crazy. I mean, you were nasty and mean and vicious and you wanted to win, right?"

Where is the wall? Where is Hillary's special prosecutor?

How long before a flicker of realization kindles? How long before the denial that Trump is just another politician, and one of the worst liars at that, is allowed past the barrier of false hope? How long before the tidbits like the 1,100 Carrier jobs that even Fox News admits was only 800 is so chewed over it is like yesterday's chewing gum?

Never for the truest fanboys, that we expect.

Never for the racists who chant "Hail Trump, Hail Victory (Seig Heil)".

But as the jobs don't come back, the rural depressed counties keep declining, the sane people in an insane time will remind you that Trump has lied all his life and lied to get your votes. In a rare moment of honesty at his recent victory rally he tried to pretend you were all in on the joke, but you aren't there yet.

Don't break our country on the road to your epiphany please. Or at least not so much that we can't fix it again for you in four years time.

But not so for the Democratic Party these days, whose officials are still searching about for scapegoats.
http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/editorials/2016/12/editorial_dems_still_in_denial

My gods...

"It's Director Comey's fault!!!"

"It's the Elector's fault!!!!"

Jesus H. Frakin' Christ!!!

Hillary Clinton was the WORST possible candidate for this particular election..

It's THAT simple....

Democrats can scape-goat in denial til the cows come home..

But there is one FACT here and ONE FACT only that explains Hillary's loss...

She was the ESTABLISHMENT/STATUS QUO candidate in an election that despised with a passion the Establishment and the Status Quo..

THAT is why she lost the election...

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I mean, honestly..

If YOU want to go on record as comparing FBI Director Comey to Adam Lanza, far be it from me to stand in your way...

But, under the "dumbest things" one has ever read in their lives, that would be right at the top....

But weren't you one of the ones who said they would accept Director Comey's decision, regardless of what it would be??

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The beginning of the Trump era..... It's going to be a wonderful 8 years... :D

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Ohhhhh.... Like Adam Lanza's decision to go on a shooting spree at the local elementary school, is that it? Seriously, that is perhaps one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life!

WOW.. How you got here from there, I will NEVER know....

Also, scientists are backing up all of the data out of fear that Trump's picks to run these agencies (read: Big Oil's political prostitutes) will destroy the data.

Which isn't much different than the Left Wingery censoring, attacking and denigrating those who dispute the human caused global warming *theory*

I love the spin that you used: scientists not wanting to defend their claims!

It's not spin, it's fact..

Why is this agency so afraid of taking a stand on the merits of their so-called "science"??

Because this agency KNOWS it's a global con and they don't want to get caught...

Troll
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There is a real danger of censorship, and of it becoming ideologically supported with this fake news idiocy.

Asshole,

Yea... That's what I said.. Duh.... :D

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There is a real danger of censorship, and of it becoming ideologically supported with this fake news idiocy.

The left (the real left... not the corporatist warmongers pretending to be the left that you keep conflating with them) has been consistently pointing out how much of our "news" is actually factually lacking propaganda for decades.

The labels mainstream, lamestream, and corporate media (among others) came about due to the awareness by so many that much of it can't be trusted. Independent verification using alternate sources by readers concerned with the truth became a necessary skill.

Whether it's reporting that downplays government spying, the necessity for the latest war, anything about Israel (ironically excluding much of Israeli media, but there are books and documentaries on how skewed US reporting on that country is), corporate PR posing as news, etc... our news has been littered with "fake news" forever.

I believe that not too long ago CW mentioned how yellow journalism has a long and proud tradition in this country, and there is a rather fine distinction between that, tabloid stories, fake news and even the satire produced by The Onion (which has made quite a few people who believed it look stupid).

Facebook is a horrible company that I would never support so I'm not affected by their latest horrible policy, but the idea that they or any fact checking group can be relied on and trusted with such an ill-defined job is nonsense.
The labeling and banning of activism for BDS as hate speech, criticism of Facebook and anything remotely resembling a nipple is already problematic.

If a corporation that creates and litters a platform used by so many is allowed to restrict information, there will be negative consequences, and they may be severe.

While fake news about WMD's convinced people to support an illegal war of aggression (and many other bad policies) limiting access to information could be just as bad.

People who consider themselves well informed need to think twice before supporting bad policies as a reaction to Trump or anything else.

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I have said it before and I'll say it again... If you make a decision that pisses off EVERYONE, it's like the best possible decision to make... :D

Ohhhhh.... Like Adam Lanza's decision to go on a shooting spree at the local elementary school, is that it? Seriously, that is perhaps one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life!

Also, scientists are backing up all of the data out of fear that Trump's picks to run these agencies (read: Big Oil's political prostitutes) will destroy the data. I love the spin that you used: scientists not wanting to defend their claims! That's great! Glad to see you are staying true to your GOP brainwashing!

Wasn't it the Left who castigate and denigrated Donald Trump for not accepting the results of the election??

Now it's those same people who are doing EXACTLY what they claimed Trump would do...

Hypocrisy, thy name is Left Wing...

I am glad the Left Wing denizens of Weigantia are above that sort of thing :D I mean that sincerely...

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DANGEROUS POLICE CHASE IN CANADA
https://www.facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10158252368575112/

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Facebook announced Thursday that mythbusting website Snopes will be one of a few fact-checking organizations allowed to label stories as “fake news.”
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

Left Wingers will exclusively judge what is and is not "real" news..

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?? :^/

If you have to censor ideologies that are contrary to "accepted" dogma, you have already lost the debate...

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Putin doesn't have Trump's balls..

http://theworleys.net/temp/TrumpsBalls.jpg

*I* do!!! :D heh

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The Democrats’ panic over climate questions speaks volumes

All the hiding and panic speaks to a government that is out of control. How can it be that people won’t admit they even attended a specific meeting? It’s certainly the first time in my memory that one administration has affirmatively tried to hide their work from the next administration. So exactly what is it the Obama forces are hiding? Why have they gone silent in the face of a simple initial inquiry? There are plenty of safeguards in government to prevent retribution, so that isn’t really what this sudden fear is all about. And, the fact that scientists have “begun a feverish attempt to copy reams of government data onto independent servers” because they are worried about being denied “irreplaceable public data” also seems just a little paranoid and adds to the intrigue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/12/14/the-democrats-panic-over-climate-questions-speaks-volumes/?utm_term=.3f701cecae3a

What are the Democrats so afraid of??

If there work is on the up and up, why wouldn't they be PROUD to brag about it???

One of the bedrocks of the scientific method is to put out EVERY shred of information so that others can replicate the work and confirm the science..

If the Democrats are afraid that their "science" cannot be confirmed, then that says loads about their so-called adherence to "science"....

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"America is entering a time of hopelessness"
-Michelle Obama, 2016 after the Democratic Party was decimated..

Yea... No ideological agenda there.. :^/

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Welcome to 1984, courtesy of the Democratic Party...

IE

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT will be "real" news..

HILLARY CLINTON BEARS SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ELECTION LOSS will be "fake" news....

Only the news that is ideologically pure will be "real" news...

Like I said....

Welcome to 1984, courtesy of the Democratic Party...

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Obama boosting Perez???

Perez is toast.. He might as well pack it up and go home... :D

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What John Podesta and others critical of Comey fail to take into account is the difficult position the FBI director found himself in from the moment that Bill Clinton incomprehensibly boarded the Attorney General's plane in Phoenix for a private meeting, days before a decision was to be rendered in the email server case and regardless of how casual it was or was not.

Well said...

As I mentioned previously, Comey was in an impossible situation... If he followed the law and recommended indictment for Hillary, the Left would have been apoplectic the damage to the election would have been immeasurable... If he simply recommended NO INDICTMENT or just issued NO recommendation, the Right would have been apoplectic and the damage to the election would have been immeasurable..

So, Comey made the best choice he could in this unprecedented situation.. He made up some bogus excuse about how intent was the determining factor so there wouldn't be any indictment, but he then laid out for the American people exactly what Hillary's crimes were...

He basically put all the facts out there and let the American people make up their own minds...

I didn't agree with his decision.. I think he should have followed the law and just let the chips fall where they may...

But I respect the hell out of the guy for charting the best course, really the ONLY course, available to him...

And again, I am constrained to point out that many in Weigantia said that they would abide by Comey's decision and not question his integrity, regardless of what decision he made...

Comey is the unsung hero of the election..

I have said it before and I'll say it again... If you make a decision that pisses off EVERYONE, it's like the best possible decision to make... :D

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Thanx to all for the good wishes.. :D My lovely wife and I are very excited to welcome a grand-daughter to our expanding family.. :D Grandsons are great, but a grandpa needs a granddaughter to dote on... :D

Congrats on your being correct in the election and especially because of that beautiful new granddaughter of yours!

RUSS!!!!! Great ta see you back!!!! I was worried aboutcha... :D Thank you for both.. I predict we're going to have some wild times in the coming 4 years...

So, why not get started.. :D

I took a few weeks off after the election and am just now getting back online. Can't wait to discuss Triple - P with ya soon! (president Putin-puppet!)

Ya know.. It's downright eerie... When the Left goes on and on about how Trump is tied at the hip with the Russians, all I hear is the Right going on and on about how Obama was born in Kenya...

It's really ironic...

The Right had their Obama/Kenya meme and the Left has their Putin Puppet meme...

From where I sit, there is no difference. BOTH were/are designed to de-legitimize the President Of The United States...

I now understand why ya'all were so pissed about it... :D

But it's clear from the facts that Putin really wanted Hillary to win....

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You mean like Obama is doing to President Elect Trump?? :D

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/obama-hits-the-gas-in-race-to-regulate-before-trump-takes-reins

Goose... Meet Gander.... :D

Some Democratic state attorneys general are already chomping at the bit to sue Trump's administration, it seems:

If the Trump administration withdraws from environmental, antitrust or financial regulations, the attorneys general say they will plug regulatory holes that may gape wide open, deploying state laws like New York's Martin Act, which allows the state attorney general to pursue wide-ranging investigations on Wall Street. They have pledged to defend undocumented immigrants, and to combat hate crimes.... And if Mr. Trump's policies veer toward the unconstitutional, several of the 10 current and incoming Democratic attorneys general interviewed recently said they would apply a remedy favored by Mr. Trump himself: a lawsuit.

Why, that sounds positively REPUBLICAN!! :D

Climate change scientists, meanwhile, are privately backing up their research data in fears the incoming administration will just purge any data it doesn't ideologically approve of.

You mean, like Democrats have done for the last 8 years???

The Democratic National Committee chair race is heating up, with the entry of Tom Perez into the race (facing challenger Keith Ellison and two candidates from the state level). This has already been pitched as a "Bernie Sanders versus Hillary Clinton supporters" battle, but it might actually be more of a "Obama supporters versus Sanders supporters" type of thing. We'll see. Perez is pretty progressive, so ideologically the contest isn't as divided as some in the media are trying to make it sound.

The best thing for the GOP is to have Ellison take over as head of the DNC...

First, Facebook announced it will now be filtering for fake news items. Gosh, think that might have influenced the election?

Call it what it is.. Facebook will censor news based solely and completely on ideology. If it's news that doesn't support the Left Wingery ideology, it's "fake" news...

Welcome to 1984, courtesy of the Democratic Party...

Washington Post "Fact-Checker"

You DO realize that those two terms are mutually exclusive and should NEVER be in the same sentence, right?? :D

Podesta made his case in a scathing and extraordinary op-ed written for the Washington Post,

Washington Post... 'nuff said...

Obama began extolling his legacy by pointing out some rather impressive economic numbers.

Cherry picked numbers cannot help but be impressive..

But the only numbers that really matter are the numbers from the election....

If Obama done so good, why was his Party given a huge kick in the arse???

Obamacare is a success

Apparently, the pot is in heavy use in the White House..

That's like the Captain of the Titanic saying that the boat is completely seaworthy as it is sinking...

We've cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half,

That was done *IN SPITE* of Obama and the Democrats.. Not because of...

None of these actions stifled growth as critics are predicted. Instead, the stock market has nearly tripled.

Most of the growth in the stock market has been since Trump was elected.. :D

That says it all...

I don't blame Obama for putting the best spin on things he can...

But look at it this way.. If an alien JUST came to planet earth and was sitting in on POTUS's presser, he/she could NEVER believe that the Democratic Party has been completely and utterly decimated over the last 8 years....

But, like I said... I admire the man that he could put such a positive spin on events that has totally destroyed his Party...

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