The "Liberal Utopia" that Donald Trump's election has saved us from...

Thank the gods....

The "Liberal Utopia" that Donald Trump's election has saved us from...

Thank the gods....

No, that's YOUR assessment of Trump's America based on nothing but partisan ideology...

I know that you are fully involved in that assessment and no amount of logic will change your mind..

Off-duty San Antonio deputy dies after vehicle plunges into sinkhole
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/06/off-duty-san-antonio-deputy-dies-after-vehicle-plunges-into-sinkhole.html

Trump is obviously responsible for that Deputy's death because the sinkhole was obviously caused by Climate Change and Trump called Climate Change a hoax....

So, Trump is completely and unequivocally to blame..

Sounds pretty inane and moronic, eh??

Also sounds real familiar.... :^/

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Exactly...

You blame Trump for anything that happens to muslims (or blacks or hispanics) even when there is absolutely NO CONNECTION to Trump..

Yet Obama encourages the riots and the cop killings etc etc and you hold Obama blameless..

Which proves that your blame of and attacks on Trump is NOTHING but a partisan agenda at work and has absolutely nothing to do with the facts or reality..

Trump is going to be your President..

Deal with it...

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You can be all politically correct you want until the cows come home..

But the simple fact is, Taiwan is an independent country in every aspect that matters.

THIS is the reality whether you want to admit it or not..

THIS is the reality whether China wants to admit it or not...

It's funny how you are siding with communist China on this issue..

I guess the freedom of people's of the world only matter to you when Trump isn't involved and you have to give up a chance to bash Trump...

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Because if there was a connection to Trump, the Leftist media would have hysterically pointed it out to the high heavens..

So, you assume there IS, just because you hate Trump..

So, Trump is guilty until proven innocent, is that it??

A leader who tells people that all Muslins are suspected terrorists and so should be singled out for special treatment.

That's not what Trump said. Now you are putting false words in Trump's mouth (again) just to make your phony argument.

But with Muslims Trump is far more open in his hatred. He called for a complete ban on all Muslims - even out own citizens - coming into the United States.

No, he didn't...

If you can't stick with the facts and reality, why even bother discussing it??

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"The REALITY is that Taiwan is a separate country.."

NO. The REALITY is that Taiwan itself has NEVER declared its own independence from China. In Fact, the government in Taiwan, like the government in Beijing, still claims to rule and be the legitimate government of ALL of China, including the mainland.

It would be like if, the government of the Confederacy, after losing the Civil War, moved from Richmond to Anchorage Alaska or Honolulu Hawaii, and both it and the government in Washington D.C. both claimed to be the one true legitimate government of all of the United States, forcing other nations to choose which one to recognize, while neither government actually controlled the other's territory, neither one actually declaring itself to be an independent nation separate from the other!

Firstly, how do you know? You just made this up, as usual.

Secondly I don't expect Trump to call people like this up and tell them to attack kids on the street. That isn't how it works. It is the singling out of groups to blame for political advantage, labeling them as "terrorists" or "rapists". They usually have some double talk out (I was only calling Mexican rapists "rapists" - we'll gee thanks Donald).

But with Muslims Trump is far more open in his hatred. He called for a complete ban on all Muslims - even out own citizens - coming into the United States. Only when it was pointed out to the moron that this would stop our Muslim military personnel coming in to their own country did he start to walk it back.

Trump knew exactly what he was doing and it worked for him. Fanboys such as yourself can pretend you aren't racist, or bigoted, but you are branded by the leader you chose.

A leader who tells people that all Muslins are suspected terrorists and so should be singled out for special treatment.

A leader that people listen to and believe in.

A leader whose followers chant his name when they attack minorities he singles out:

http://abc7ny.com/news/nypd-men-yelled-donald-trump-tried-to-pull-off-victims-hijab-on-subway/1638675/

This is Trump's America you are proud of.

Of course not. Did you not hear Obama at the funeral for the cops in Dallas? We're on the same team, most of us. Good cops don't want their fellow cops gunning down blacks in the street, and good Americans don't want cops gunned down on the street.

Good Americans don't want anyone gunned down. Ever.

Have NUMEROUS Muslims carried out numerous terrorist attacks against the US??

Yes they have...

Special treatment for Muslims is warranted..

So yes, I do put the blame at the front door of Trump Tower.

Of course you do.. But you DON'T put the blame at the front door of the White House when (O)BLM scumbags assassinate cops..

Which proves beyond any doubt that you are partisan biased...

The good news is the the NYPD got the guy who attacked the cop's kid.

Who had absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump...

And that just chaps yer arse, doesn't it... :D

You mean, like a Saudi National in custody who had explosives residue on his clothing and was heard to remark immediately prior to the second device detonating, "I thought there would be a second explosion?"???

THAT kind of "no evidence"...

There was nobody in custody.

There was no Saudi National with explosives residue on his clothing

There was no statement about a second explosion.

Yes, that kind of "no evidence" is what happens when hysteria is whipped up by rabble rousers like Trump.

Again, Trump and his cronies single Islam out for special treatment. His followers follow the path shown to them.

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/09/28/will-someone-please-point-out-ben-carsons-religious-hypocrisy/

Be nice to your fast food workers, they are going to need it.

Trump has singled out Muslims for special immigration treatment because he claims they are a threat to America.

So yes, I do put the blame at the front door of Trump Tower.

The good news is the the NYPD got the guy who attacked the cop's kid.

Let's ask 1100 Carrier employees how they like Trump's America...

Personally, since I know that Trump wants NOTHING to do with the racist assholes, I *LOVE* Trump's America...

It's 100 times better than Obama's America has EVER been.... :D

Ahhhh..

So Bush was wrong about EVERYTHING *EXCEPT* the *ONE* thing that supports your partisan ideology...

And you don't find that somewhat convenient..???

Hmm. So your predicting that all of our predictions will be wrong.

No, I am pointing out that ALL of ya'all's predictions to date have been wrong...

So, it stands to reason that something else is governing the predictions...

Could it be partisan ideology??

Well, BREXIT is on (indefinite?) hold, and Trump hasn't been sworn in yet, Michale. Before getting all triumphal about it, you might want to wait for actual results.

Yea, we said that with the election..

Look what happened.. :D

How are you liking Trump's America.

Of course, all of what you stated afore had absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump...

Funny how that is...

She rushed into a burning Williamsburg building and rescued a baby and its grandmother in 2014, earning her a service award for her bravery.

On Friday Police Officer Aml Elsokary dropped her 16-year-old son at the corner of Ridge Boulevard and 67th Street and then parked her car a little before 6 pm on Saturday. While she was parking, a guy started shoving her son, police said. The off-duty cop intervened, and the man called her an “ISIS b----” before threatening her life, police officials claim.

“I will cut your throat. Go back to your country,” the man allegedly screamed at Elsokary — one of few Muslim officers who wears a hijab on duty, according to the department’s Muslim Officers Society.

Oh, and there was a KKK Trump victory parade today.

How are you liking Trump's America.

Hmm. So your predicting that all of our predictions will be wrong.

Here are a few about the U.K. (I have the guts to make predictions, I don't hide behind "what I feel in 4 years" excuses).

If hard Brexit goes through, the pound will continue to sink as confusion over trade agreements grows. The baseline trade agreements are basically the default WTO ones (have you read them? Nasty biscuits!), and Britain has to try to create agreements with all its major trading partners overnight. The trading partners, many of whom have lost money due to Brexit, know that they can get anything they want by stalling until Britain gets so desperate it will take any deal.

The hope is for a soft Brexit (i.e. Britain pretends it isn't part of the EU, but pays as much or more than before, gets none of the community funding back, and has to live with open immigration - the one thing that the "Leave" voters most wanted).

One tiny sliver of hope is that the courts rule the referendum irrelevant and everybody goes home.

And I know, you'll be telling us for the thousanth time all about how we jumped the gun on Hillary's election, mia culpa. But, two wrongs do not make a right, especially when one of them is bright orange.

Even the bluntest pencil in the box gets things right now and then. Take your election prediction for example ;)

There's a reason the Bush's wouldn't back Trump.

According to you, Bush is a moron..

So, since a moron won't back Trump, then Trump must be the best choice..

You see how you can get tripped up by ideological slavery?? :D

You just make up so much nonsense.

As do you with your trade war fear mongering....

Look at all the horrible things ya'all predicted would happen if Trump got elected...

Look at all the horrible things ya'all predicted would happen if BREXIT passed...

Ya'all are BIG on fear-mongering predictions...

Yet NONE of them have EVER come to pass...

Funny how that is, eh? :D

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oooooooo - wery macho. Sounded good to Bush, too, until the Iraq war began to look like a quagmire, Afghanistan started to bog down, and 'mission accomplished' became a taunt. That's when Bolton started Boltin' for the exit door..

There's a reason the Bush's wouldn't back Trump.

You just make up so much nonsense. You really should read the article on fake news. The guy was making $10-30K/month from stories like this. You are paying $0.50 (which I personally want to thank you for, BTW - genuinely) per posting here.

Here is the link again for you:

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

Donald Trump
Trump Tower
5th Avenue
NY, NY 10013

Bush awarded Taiwan a 35 BILLION dollar military package and China played nice with Bush..

Um..that went down very differently than you describe it. In fact, it was very much a reality check for many of the same right wingers who are cheering Trump's diplomatic thrashing about today...

But I thought Donald told us that China committed the greatest crime in the history of the world against the U.S. in the 2000's when Bush was in?

U.S. China Trade Deficit:

2000: ~$83B
2008: ~$268B (growth of $185B in 8 years under Bush 2 = ~300%)
2016: ~$360B (growth of $94B in 8 years under Obama = ~40%)

So tell me again about that whippin' Bush gave the Chinese?

And how things are so much worse under Obama?

Source:

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2000

This is reality sonny boy - Trump is a neophyte.

Yea, that's YOUR reality...

But your reality was that Trump would NEVER be elected President...

So, your reality has a tendency not to happen as you predict it will...

Germany and Mexico will fall into line.. They need the US more than the US needs them..

THAT's what is going to make the Trump administration so awesome....

We don't have to worry about getting kicked around by pissant countries who depend on the US for their survival...

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And the scorn of patriotic Americans everywhere... :D

And Donald has just started a trade war with Germany and Mexico. They retaliate by slapping tariffs on a host of other U.S. companies. Donald loses it and starts putting tariffs on everything. The general public, who pay the tariffs are furious over double digit inflation and mounting job loses.

This is reality sonny boy - Trump is a neophyte.

That's your opinion based on ideological slavery and unsupported by any facts whatsoever...

Except, apparently, the moronic-ness (your word) of the ill-fated Bush administration.

Actually, Bush did the same thing with Taiwan after China hijacked a Navy P3 and kidnapped the aircrew...

Bush awarded Taiwan a 35 BILLION dollar military package and China played nice with Bush..

Once Obama got in, China has been dictating US policy since...

I can tell you right now, I'd never have voted for Trump in November if he had an alphabet after his name.

He is a buffoon. Trump U proves he is a crook. His business history shows him to be a con man.

Unless Jesus Christ himself comes down from heaven and tells me Trump is the best qualified for the job, I'm sticking to what I know about him from decades of publicly available information.

You only voted for him because he had a -R after his name however.

Ooorrraaaaaaa

Company A decides to corner the market and squeeze Company B, so lowers its price to $895/Unit. Now it hopes to sell all 20,000 and make a bigger profit.

Since Company A isn't playing fair, Donald Trump decides to help Company B maintain it's market share and slaps a tariff on Company A's imports. Company A can't compete with the tariff and gives their market share to Company B...

Company B, flush with new found capital, hires 10,000 more American workers..

Donald Trump's re-election is assured...

:D

See?? I can make shit up too... :D

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Except, apparently, the moronic-ness (your word) of the ill-fated Bush administration.

The message Trump sent Beijing was: "I have no idea what I'm doing."

Neilm [219-220] Spot on! Trump (er-Pence)pays off a company to keep less than half of the jobs it plans to send to Mexico and is hailed by the right as a wonder boy. Obama brought unemployment down from deep recession levels, saved the financial system and the auto industry, and all he gets is a lousy T-shirt.

Considering he has done that without even being sworn in yet, I would say it's a pretty back-patting worthy event..

And you would agree with me if Trump had a '-D' after his name...

:D

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Company A: based in Germany, manufactures AC units in Mexico at a cost of $700/unit and sells 10,000/month for $1,000 ($300/unit profit)

Company B: based in the U.S., manufactures AC units in Indiana at a cost of $900/unit and sells 10,000/month for $1,000 ($100/unit profit)

Company A decides to corner the market and squeeze Company B, so lowers its price to $895/Unit. Now it hopes to sell all 20,000 and make a bigger profit.

Company B decides to move to Mexico to save its business, but Donald Trump comes along and says - if you move the jobs I'll hit you with a 35% import tax.

Company B goes out of business.

Thanks Donald.

You see the point??? Trump is not going to be bound by the political correctness/moronic-ness of past administrations..

There is a NEW SHERIFF in town...

That's the message Trump sent Beijing...

And I say it's about frakin' time!

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Time for a perspective check. Just because your hero did something useful, if not quite what he promised, is not going to change the overall picture. I'm happy for the people who kept their jobs, and upset for the ones Trump couldn't keep.

Apparently much more than Obama has shown or NONE of those jobs would be leaving..

You must have been really pleased when Obama saved the U.S. car industry and got paid back and more then.

While I do support a Democratic Taiwan, I have to point out that it is not recognized as an independent country overwhelming by ANYBODY except for a small few tiny Pacific island and Central American nations.

Yea, like I said.. Political correctness, not reality...

The REALITY is that Taiwan is a separate country..

But to be politically correct and appease China, most of the world won't say this and have to go along with the delusion that Taiwan is part of China...

It is also NOT a good idea to provoke an unnecessary conflict with a major nuclear power over an issue that is not strategically important

If it's not strategically important, then what's the fuss??

So, you are saying we should deny reality to appease China??

Sounds like the Obama approach...

Especially when it also seems like a cavalier change of 35 years of bipartisan foreign policy.

And, what part of, THAR'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN do you not understand??

Um, Bannon himself regards Breitbart as a "platform for the alt-right"

You said "racist" alt-right before... Did Bannon himself say that Breitbart was a "platform for the racist alt-right"???

No, he did not. You just thru that in for your own spin...

Yet you voted for Trump instead of Hillary.

Yes, because we need COMPETENCE in the White House, not someone like Hillary Dodging-Sniper-Fire-In-Bosnia-Doesn't-Have-A-Single-Accomplishment-To-Her-Name Clinton...

Har har. Giving away $7M and then only saving 1/2 the jobs is hardly a sign of competence.

I know you can't admit it, but since the alternative was MORE Americans losing their jobs, it was competence..

Apparently much more than Obama has shown or NONE of those jobs would be leaving..

Funny how none of ya'all ding Obama for THAT...

It's all partisan ideology... Nothing else..

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195

On another note.. it's funny.. All these people with their recounts and faithless electors is keeping the election alive..

So, instead of Hillary Clinton losing once, she loses over and over and over again...

For someone who is Party agnostic, it's hilarious... :D

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https://www.cnet.com/au/news/amazon-go-grocery-store-no-checkout/

No need for checkout staff. And it isn't ridiculous to think that robots could stock the shelves.

A friend of mine high up in a tech company works in machine learning and thinks one of the biggest challenges isn't the technology but the impact on society as more and more classes of jobs become obsolete.

"Har har. Giving away $7M and then only saving 1/2 the jobs is hardly a sign of competence."

Neilm has a point. I thought Trump, by his own words, was supposed to punish companies moving jobs overseas by some kind of penalty, like taking AWAY their tax breaks or putting a tariff on their goods, and not by BRIBERY at the taxpayers expense???

Har har. Giving away $7M and then only saving 1/2 the jobs is hardly a sign of competence.

Telling Pakistan that he'd help solve their problems, when there problems are things that, if solved, would be really bad for us, is not competence, it's dangerous stupidity. Plus, I though he was meant to ignore all those other country's problems and focus on Making America Great Again?

Yet you voted for Trump instead of Hillary.

That's a naive move on Trump's part, and not a carefully thought out and well planned execution of a major change in American foreign policy by a seasoned professional with everyone on board. What other inadvertent more consequential actions might happen with even far more unseen ramifications in the future? Something more dire other than a minor row over a tempest in a teapot?

Just saying.....

Odd you've never mentioned your concern about the China-Taiwan relationship before. Mind you, neither has Trump.

Do you know Trump is trying to build a hotel in Taiwan? That his team in Taiwan set up the call and he knew about it two hours beforehand? (So the "CALLED ME" tweet is just another lie).

Do you know why Taiwan became an independent country, and why the U.S. adopted the One China policy in the 1970's?

Yea??? Prove it..

Um, Bannon himself regards Breitbart as a "platform for the alt-right"

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

"Wasn't that refreshing?!? A little bit of HONESTY... Taiwan is it's own country.. It should be treated as such..."

While I do support a Democratic Taiwan, I have to point out that it is not recognized as an independent country overwhelming by ANYBODY except for a small few tiny Pacific island and Central American nations.

It is also NOT a good idea to provoke an unnecessary conflict with a major nuclear power over an issue that is not strategically important to U.S. National security on a whim, despite the "feel good" temporary nature of it. Especially when it also seems like a cavalier change of 35 years of bipartisan foreign policy.

Obama was a Senator for what?? All of two years???

That's a stretch to call that "experienced"...

Remember Boehner and Republicans supposed "laser like" focus on jobs??? How many multiple House votes did we get on anti-abortion legislation instead???

Boehner and Republicans aren't Trump...

80 bucks!!! What theatre are you attending??? I go to the movies with my two friends, and for the 3 of us it only costs us 50 bucks. Don't you even get the SENIOR discount Michale??? heh :-D

Bite me! :D heh I tend to eat a lot at the movies.. :D

Breitbart is an acknowledged platform for the racist alt-right (source: Trump advisor Steve Bannon).

Yea??? Prove it...

It is also Trump's main source of news.

Assumes facts not in evidence..

This man lives in the bubble. The whole Taiwan incident shows both astounding incompetence and how easily Trump is led. We need some real adults around this clown at all times.

Yea?? Like Obama???

Yea, he's done REALLY well as an alleged "adult"...

We need COMPETENCE in the White House... Not some bubble-living moron who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.... :D

And, judging from the Carrier deal, competence WILL be back in the White House come 20 Jan 2017.... :D

It's like welcoming Reagan back into the White House...

The whole Taiwan incident

Wasn't that refreshing?!? A little bit of HONESTY... Taiwan is it's own country.. It should be treated as such...

The idea of appeasing communist China and furthering their own delusions is nauseating and personally insulting to me..

I am GLAD Trump inadvertently gave China the finger..

I hope he runs with it and tells the Chinese where they can stick their delusions..

It's time we had some reality in government, as opposed to politically correct fueled delusions..

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It is also Trump's main source of news.

This man lives in the bubble. The whole Taiwan incident shows both astounding incompetence and how easily Trump is led. We need some real adults around this clown at all times.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/trumps-information-universe?utm_term=.av5x26ArOB#.pu9nAo8qG4

"Have you seen this preview for Guardians of the Galaxy, vol.2 ...
https://youtu.be/dW1BIid8Osg"

Doesn't the whole scene between Rocket and Baby Groot over the atomic bomb button remind you of Trump??? With Trump AS Baby Groot!

Michale:

"I did.. Ohmygods, it's hilarious!!! I cannot wait for that movie.. Definitely on my MUST SEE list!! I might even spring the $80+ bucks to go see it with my lovely wife.. :D"

80 bucks!!! What theatre are you attending??? I go to the movies with my two friends, and for the 3 of us it only costs us 50 bucks. Don't you even get the SENIOR discount Michale??? heh :-D

"All the while, the American people have been screaming JOBS!!!! JOBS!!!! JOBS!!!!"

Remember Boehner and Republicans supposed "laser like" focus on jobs??? How many multiple House votes did we get on anti-abortion legislation instead???

Well, I am glad you changed your mind.. I mean that sincerely..

If you hadn't, what with everyone else not having the cajones to show up and take their well-deserved licks, I would be lucky if I could crack 200 comments by New Years.....

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Again with the "no experience" card..

You lost the right to play that card when you supported Obama for the last 8 years... :D

My gods, Rick Springfield is OLD..... :D

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I don't think Trump has come to grips with President Trump.

But it isn't like he is doing anything crazy like riling up the Chinese pointlessly or appointing somebody with absolutely no experience to lead HUD. Right?

The science behind it has. You haven't read the supporting science?

You say POE-TAY-TOE, I say FRENCH FRIES

Let me see, lots of people for almost 200 years have in no coordinated manner been conspiring randomly coming up with a Chinese hoax to raise your taxes.

Global Warming has been an issue for 200 years???

That can't be right. Because I know that "scientists" were warning us about global COOLING in the 70s....

I think we've bored them to death.

Naaw, I think they just haven't come to grips with President Trump...

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I think we've bored them to death. That was the other reason I blocked you before, I get a bit compulsive when I argue. But only when I'm right.

That never crossed my mind ;)

A con-job of galactic proportions that is definitely not a conspiracy.

Let me see, lots of people for almost 200 years have in no coordinated manner been conspiring randomly coming up with a Chinese hoax to raise your taxes.

It all makes complete sense!

Neil, can ya take it easy on me.. I am going to end up donating MILLIONS to cw.com!! :D

Heh

Gods help me if any of the regulars show back up...

:D

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If this country elected it's President based on the vanity vote then yes... I would agree it's a GREAT place to start..

But it doesn't so I don't..

The problem for the Democratic Party is that they talk a good talk.. But they have a real big, a YYUUGGEEEEE problem with walking the walk...

They proved that when they conspired against Sanders to assure that Hillary was the Dem nominee...

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List fake Jack Ryan's top three qualities, and why you think a fictional character's strengths are great.

But the qualities that Jack Ryan epitomizes are NOT 'fake'...

At least they are not to anyone that doesn't have a '-D' after their name...

You've also been spectacularly wrong, take your climate science conspiracy, for example.

Which conspiracy was that?? I have simply stated that humans do not have the technological capability to affect the planet's climate in any meaningful way...

I also point out that there has NEVER been an accurate prediction made by the Global Warming fanatics....

No conspiracy whatsoever... Just a con-job of galactic proportions...

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I know. But what if the Democratic Party had the majority of voting Americans on their side? Do you think that might be a good place to start?

Or what if the Democratic Party was in control of 2/3 of the economic MSAs?

If only there was a strong platform of voters and money to base a recovery on!

What happens to identity politics when, under President Trump, black unemployment falls to the same level as the national unemployment??

What happens to identity politics when the hispanic Americans, in a Trump administration, start seeing some real tangible benefits to President Trump??

They will abandon the Democratic Party quicker than you can say MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN...

Give Trump's success in business, it's entirely possible, even probable, that these scenarios could actually play out..

In 2020, it will make 2016 be like a family fun day at the beach by comparison...

The Democratic Party needs to start thinking of 2020 NOW... not in 2018...

Again, I am just trying to help out here... :D

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You've also been spectacularly wrong, take your climate science conspiracy, for example.

OK, you know Jack Ryan is a fictional (that means fake) character, right?

Is that an example of an Obama voter??

I don't think so..

My point is, is that what you call "fake news" is nothing more than news that doesn't support the Left Wingery agenda...

There is absolutely NO factual evidence to support the claim that fake news had ANY impact on the election..

NONE... ZERO.... ZILCH.... NADA....

The "fake news" issue, like the Comey issue, like the Russian issue.... all of that is just a way to avoid the one fact from this election..

Hillary was a lousy candidate.. She was the ESTABLISHMENT candidate in an election that hinged on ESTABLISHMENT vs NON-ESTABLISHMENT....

I've said it for the past year and it turned out to be dead on ballz accurate...

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How?

We know some basic facts:

i/ the most evil man in all of history is John Tyndall who started the whole thing off in 1859. He obviously had contact with Confucius (eerily similar to Confuse-us - ah ha!) even though Confucius lived almost 2000 years before - the Chinese angle.

But how did Tyndall get thousands and thousands of scientist around the world to keep the secret for over a hundred years?

Your the climate science expert - can you help me with that bit, I mean, because otherwise I might think Trump is just a fool who believes anything, and we know that isn't true ... right?

Oh, I don't know, maybe if people were getting more fake news stories than real ones the might just be some impact

http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/16/13659840/facebook-fake-news-chart

Or if Trump supporting some gun nut believed an obvious fake news piece about Hillary and a pizza parlor and shot the place up?

Thank you. I have my moments. :D

No. I would be very wary of investing in any business run by the current crop of politicians. Just as I'd avoid getting dental work done by somebody with only bartender experience or regret it if a real-estate developer became President.

Sorry, ya'all lost the moral high ground on "experience" when we elected a community organizer in 2008.. :D

At the time, I thought Obama might be another Jack Ryan...

This time around I feel the same about Trump but Trump is even MORE perfect for the role..

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Well you've convinced me. I can't believe I fell for that old John Tyndall headfake - can you believe he had the foresight in 1859 to 'prove' that CO2 absorbs infrared.

Just so, 160 years or so later he could give "librals" an excuse to raise your taxes with the help of a Chinese government hoax team.

Yes please. I'd love your FTP username and password ;)

You bring up a good point.

No. I would be very wary of investing in any business run by the current crop of politicians. Just as I'd avoid getting dental work done by somebody with only bartender experience or regret it if a real-estate developer became President.

Give me an example of fake news that would turn an Obama voter into a Trump voter...

Take your dummied up jpg - you try to claim it proves your point, but all it does is shows you have Photoshop or some cheap equivalent.

Something you have absolutely no facts to support. You want access to my FTP so you can see the date that the JPG was uploaded???

Of course you don't... Because that would force you to admit that you were wrong and that I called the Electoral vote dead on ballz accurate...

You'll believe anything that fits your predefined agenda - take climate science for example. No amount of proof can convince you of the simple reality that a thermometer demonstrates.

Sorry, friend. You are talking about yourself there.. :D

I take into account ALL the science which proves that YOUR theory of humans causing climate change is not valid..

It's you who only support the "science" that supports your agenda. Your "science" is all marketing and focus-groups....

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I know you called it too, you just can't prove it.

Annoying, isn't it when somebody won't believe the simple truth.

Speaking *strictly* from a business/stocks/economics perspective....

Would YOU invest in a company that has shown the track record that the Democratic Party has shown??

The tone deafness, the denial of reality, the constant losses???

Would you think that would be a worthy investment??

Strictly from a profit/loss point of view...

I don't think you would. I don't think ANY sane investor would...

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw5RlKBX2EcGNHVZZk1jT0FRWlk/view?usp=sharing

The problem is that fake news is fake news.

Take your dummied up jpg - you try to claim it proves your point, but all it does is shows you have Photoshop or some cheap equivalent.

The NPR investigation showed that fake news predominantly works on the right wing psyche, like yours.

You'll believe anything that fits your predefined agenda - take climate science for example. No amount of proof can convince you of the simple reality that a thermometer demonstrates.

Name a state, any state.

It's pointless... You won't believe anything because your ideology forbids you from believing anything not supported by the Party.....

I know I called it... You do to, you just can't admit it.. :D

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They think that money... ie fund raising... is more important than actually talking to ALL Americans.. ie GOTV....

That conclusion is supported by the fact that the Democrats retained Nancy Pelosi as their leader... Pelosi's raison D'être is fundraising...

So, the Democratic Party obviously thinks that all it takes is money to win an election..

A notion that was blown out of the water by President Elect Trump...

Not duplicate it by copying my JPG.. :D

Why, because jpgs can be faked?

Name a state, any state.

Trump will become president.. = Fake news....

Gang Rape On College Campus by Rolling Stone Magazine = Real news....

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As opposed to Obama's America of race riots, fake news and stupidity...

Your point??

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw5RlKBX2EcGQUJ5N095RUJWcW8/vie

I meant duplicate it on the website...

Not duplicate it by copying my JPG.. :D

It doesn't really matter as my point is proven. You won't accept any facts that dispute the reality of the bubble you live in...

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Q: What do you think about the new TPP trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

SANDERS: I voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China. I think they have been a disaster for the American worker. A lot of corporations that shut down here move abroad. Working people understand that after NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. Since 2001, 60,000 factories in America have been shut down. We're in a race to the bottom, where our wages are going down. Is all of that attributable to trade? No. Is a lot of it? Yes. TPP was written by corporate America and the pharmaceutical industry and Wall Street. That's what this trade agreement is about. I do not want American workers to competing against people in Vietnam who make 56 cents an hour for a minimum wage.

Q: So basically, there's never been a single trade agreement this country's negotiated that you've been comfortable with?

SANDERS: That's correct.

Source: Meet the Press 2015 interview moderated by Chuck Todd , Oct 11, 2015

To mix metaphors, I think inaction is preferable even though I'm closing the barn doors after (most of) the horses have gotten out.

To commit a cardinal sin on grammar that goes beyond just mixing metaphors, let me try to explain what my point is:

1. I'm claiming that a present has arrived in the mail in the form of a larger marketplace that improves things for everybody.
2. You believe the mailman is also the person who unbolts the barn door
3. I'm saying there are other people unbolting barn doors, so rejecting the parcel is pointless. The barn door is going to be opened anyway.

Hope that makes things crystal clear ;)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_comet-535pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.66ad819a6082

Trump's America. Incendiary fake news. Guns. Stupidity. A bad combination.