I could have sworn that you admitted in the Ford discussion that incentives and tax breaks to subsidize keeping jobs in the US would mean Trump was not worthy of praise... are you flip flopping already?

Purchased corporate "loyalty" isn't actual loyalty or American greatness.

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A SALON commentary in SUPPORT of Attorney General Sessions???

The Trump Effect!! It's gotta be!! :D

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President-elect Donald Trump is sending a direct and simple message: “America is back in business.”
Weeks before even taking the oath of office, Mr. Trump on Thursday struck a deal with Carrier Corp. to keep 1,000 manufacturing jobs in Indiana that the company had planned to move to Mexico. During the Obama administration, there were more stories about jobs leaving the United States than those that were staying.
Mr. Trump’s determination to personally woo American businesses to stay put and re-energize the American economy could become the cornerstone of his time in office. The Trump-Carrier deal is a positive step in preserving jobs in America and encouraging a healthy dialogue between companies and the government. It’s about figuring out the incentives that motivate companies to stay. And what we are learning is that with Mr. Trump, this is not just a one-time offer but a “package deal” where companies will find a business-friendly environment, actively nurtured by the government, that leads them naturally to invest in American workers.
-http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/1/carrier-coup-show-how-trump-will-lead/

I see Trump re-elected in 2020 with 70% of the popular vote and the biggest landslide since Reagan.... :D

All the Democrats have to do is filibuster Trump's nominees and they will never see office...

Oh... Wait..... :D

I said at the time that Democrats would regret some day getting rid of the filibuster for nominees...

Looks like today is that day....

http://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-send-their-regrets-1480638965

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The GOP owns Congress...

The waiver will be issued...

<I.So Trump is now taking credit for something he didn't do (like he does when he slaps his name on hotels that he didn't build), that didn't even do what he (and Pence) said it did. Just tens of thousands of dollars to a company that essentially shipped a bunch of jobs to Mexico anyway.

Yet, all the Carrier leadership, all the Carrier employees whose jobs were saved, everyone knows that Trump DID do something.. Maybe not EVERYTHING but Trump surely accomplished something that Hillary NEVER would have done..

Actually saved some jobs...

Would Hillary had gone to Carrier and made the deal???

No...

No matter how much you deny it, Trump done did a good thing...

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Obama could remove marijuana from the list of drugs subject to federal control with a stroke of his pen. His timidity on this issue hasn't been the high point of his administration.

And if he had real balls, he'd delay the Supreme Court fight for another year by making a recess appointment of Garland to the Court when Congress takes its obligatory recess later this month. It would spark outrage on the Right, but really, who cares, other than news anchors I don't watch?

Sure they are. Think about who the Affordable Care Act is designed to curb: insurance companies, medical equipment suppliers, pharmaceutical companies and privately owned Hospitals, each guilty of having hiked prices and reduced services (and of gaming the system) to serve their bottom lines, which collectively drives the upward spiral in Health care costs. Great for stock prices, lousy for consumers.

As for Carrier, it seems that despite Trump's and Pence's (mostly Pense's) best efforts, Carrier is still shutting down a plant in Indiana, and sending 1400 jobs to Mexico. So Trump is now taking credit for something he didn't do (like he does when he slaps his name on hotels that he didn't build), that didn't even do what he (and Pence) said it did. Just tens of thousands of dollars to a company that essentially shipped a bunch of jobs to Mexico anyway.
If Trump wants to really save jobs, he could save a bunch by moving all of his branded products currently being made in other countries back to this country, while he's still personally in charge of his own company.

Uhh.. Insurers are already dropping out of TrainWreckCare in droves..

We are starting to get some of the details. A $7M tax break.

You really think Trump is going to offer every company that announces they are moving jobs to Mexico a tax relief package?

This, by the way, is what Trump ridiculed state governments for earlier this year.

Big Money horning in on the business is negative.
The idea that Dems should be chasing their donations is misguided.
MJ was criminalized unjustly, and it shouldn't be legalized for the wrong reasons.

Politicians would be better off championing the ides of lots of small growers, and fighting for home growers rights... you mentioned Ohio, but increasing regulation to achieve the same effect is a real threat everywhere and is occurring.

Credibility is the currency worth chasing.
The morality of the new approach, and lack thereof in the current policy should be coupled with the same morality distinctions we see between home grown or farmers market tomato's and the bland red things they sell in grocery stores. A politician cheering for a grocery store tomato isn't credible.

Your talk of PAC money is missing the boat... those taking it should be doubted.
You're railing on Obama and Hillary while actually embracing what sunk Hillary.

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Insurance companies are going to hightail it leaving Trump with no legislation and millions of furious Americans.

There is no delay. Without a strong commitment to Obamacare in its present form it will fall apart in late 2017 as many insurers drop out of 2018 markets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/22/who-exactly-is-the-white-working-class-and-what-do-they-believe-good-questions/?utm_term=.c78287bef32a

Now Flynn on the other hand I do not want anywhere near our government... It does not sit well with me that he is a regular mouthpiece on RT and his convictions change with the pay coming in from his clients.

He really need a Diplomacy 101 class fast.

Common ground!! :D

Flynn is another story. He's all gut and too little brain.

I have to admit that I am not a big Flynn fan..

Hopefully Trump will keep him grounded.. :D

heh

Neither is proven worse than the other.

Ooorrraaaaaaa!!

Agreed?

oh yea... DEFINITELY!

To the best of my knowledge MJ causes damage in developing brains much worse than alcohol..

Therefore the penalty should be greater...

YES!!!!!!

Time to kick ass and chew bubble gum!!! And I'm all outta bubble gum..."
-Duke Nuke'em

:D

I'd also like to outlaw tobacco completely.

Agreed?

And we're all about the science here...

Right?? :D

But as I said.. I would support recreational legalization for those older than 25....

I never said that...

I said that, as the person I am, it's illegal and that's all I need to know... If you had seen the results of this "victim-less" drug that I have, you would likely feel the same way..

But your failure to provide any victim, provide the reason why it should be illegal or actually address my points has convinced me.

Remember Dragnet???

Oh wait- that only works on me on the sixth Thursday of any given month.

I don't care if it's yer time of the month or not.. :D

So, here's my proposal...

I'll support legalization of marijuana for anyone older than 25 years old...

But keep in place harsh penalties for those caught with marijuana who are 25 or under and harsh penalties for those who sell to those 25 and under....

Following the science, right??

How popular do you think the legalization push would be THEN, eh?? :D

You should check out some of the other episodes.

Yep... That would be me! :D

But it's funny... This guy goes on and on about marijuana is safe... He says that many MANY times.

Yet, he ALSO admits the damage it causes in people under 25...

So, which is it???

Is it safe?? Or does it cause brain damage in kids and young adults??

Bloody hilarious, and well fact checked.

Here is the reason MJ is illegal:

http://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruins-everything/videos/the-sinister-reason-weed-is-illegal.html

Until such time as the law changes across the land, it's an illegal drug...

As nielm demonstrated in comments 12 and 14 the slippery slope works the same both for and against your position.

Actually Neil applied the slippery slope to alcohol, not against my position..

I am just a knuckle dragging ground pounder cop type guy... If something is illegal, there is usually a pretty good reason WHY it's illegal...

If someone wants to make the argument that alcohol should be illegal, fine... That is an argument with some merit...

Once the law gets around to being universally changed, that's great....

But claiming it's a victim-less crime is not a valid argument. Because my own personal experiences lay lie to that claim...

Yes, a person who smoked pot made it to be President of the United States..

But does that President want his daughters smoking pot??

Of course not..

Why??

Because it's a bad bad thing....

Registering weapons that sit in safe is ridiculous and would violate the 2nd Amendment, IMNSHO.... I think the SCOTUS will rule this way, if a case ever makes it that far..

The PERSON would be registered, not the weapon he or she chooses to carry...

Having liability insurance for those weapons that sit in a safe or on display is also ridiculous..

It would be like having liability insurance for a car that sits in a museum... Ridiculous....

If you carry or drive, I can see where a liability insurance requirement is logical and rational..

If you don't carry or drive, if you have your weapon or car in permanent display mode, liability insurance makes absolutely no sense..

But rather than tie up another commentary with a gun debate, wanna move it back a few??? :D

Jobs are jobs.. Doesn't have to be manufacturing jobs... At least, that's my take...

But, regardless, I think it shows Trump being a hands on POTUS, especially in areas of business that he is well-versed in...

What you think??

I'm fine with it. So long as all firearms are registered and there are lower insurance rates for people who opt out of open carry.

How do you know? I never saw anything about significant layoffs, especially not manufacturing jobs.

I think the deal should be blocked because it will concentrate too much media power in one company, but there will need to be a good case made to stand up in court.

Touche'??

Did you happen to see this??

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/11/28/a-post-truth-presidency/#comment-89574

Trump is going to sit down with them and hammer out a BETTER deal for employees that might be adversely affected by the merger..

It's not just about making the shareholders richer, don'tcha know.. :D

What does blocking the ATT/Time Warner deal have to do with manufacturing jobs?

A President that actually DOES something...

What a novel concept.... :D

"One off" my left arse cheek!!! :D

It is expected that the Left would let Trump been sworn into office BEFORE declaring all of Trump's policies to be a failure.. :D

You know me, Michale ;)

Very good point - weaponizing MJ is a sure fire way of stopping progress.

Well, that would be me. We haven't seen the details - how much did it cost the Indiana taxpayer? Or the Federal taxpayer? What threats were used? What promises made?

Carrier didn't just decide to forego $68M/year because they like Trump's hairstyle. Even the most gullible fanboy knows there is a quid-pro-quo.

You see what I mean by a slippery slope??

It is expected that the Left would let Trump been sworn into office BEFORE declaring all of Trump's policies to be a failure.. :D

Trump has made lots of promises about this and is grandstanding over Carrier, but Carrier is a one off

Says who???

Alcohol is much more dangerous than weed. We should ban it too.

You see what I mean by a slippery slope??

... and succeeding, if they're the party in power. If this had become a partisan issue, with Democrats in favor of legalization, not even medical use would be legalized in any state.

According to federal law, marijuana is still an illegal drug...

Where is the victim if citizens can responsibly grow their own weed and/or buy it from a regulated legal source and use it in their own home ?

Where is the victim if citizens can responsibly cook their own methamphetamine and use it in their own home??

You see what I mean by a slippery slope??

There are a few that will become available now that the Republicans are responsible for everything:

i/ Medical costs - these keep rising, even though they leveled off a bit due to Obamacare. Drug price increases, the rising revulsion towards Big Pharma for getting millions hooked on heroin, etc. will also play into this. If the Democrats can tie the Republicans to a failing healthcare system then they have a strong isue to run on

ii/ What happened to the Manufacturing jobs? Trump has made lots of promises about this and is grandstanding over Carrier, but Carrier is a one off and the rust belt voters wanted somebody to change DC - fortunately for the Democrats Trump isn't draining the swamp, he is wallowing in it like a human Jabba the Hut.

The danger with this is that those jobs are gone and aren't coming back, so the Democrats will only set themselves up for the same failure as Trump.

iii/ Wage growth - without steps to significantly grow the incomes of the 90% - which Trump doesn't seem to have on his agenda at the moment - a concerted campaign to tie Trump and the Republicans to a "the Rich won again" message should be viable and popular.

i/ Support is a mile wide but an inch deep - e.g. most parents don't want their kids to use MJ while at the same time that don't want them busted for it either

ii/ We are going thru a prescription drug induced horror show with heroin at the moment, and, while it isn't fair, MJ will be lumped into the heating up war on drugs

iii/ This isn't a pocketbook issue - "Its the Economy Stupid" doesn't apply to MJ

You mean, like drink a large heavily-laden sugar drink?? :D

All things being equal, I would say 'no'...

But I am against Nanny-State policies...

On the other hand, when it comes to illegal drugs, it rarely is a victim-less crime...

That's a very slippery slope that can lead to a horrible horrible place...

I have definitely changed my mind about medical marijuana but that was mostly due to personal family concerns...

But legalizing recreational use??

I am not quite there yet....