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Whew.. Glad I got that.... oh wait..

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Ooomigods, ooomigods..... that's funny....

Democrats at their finest.....

hehehehehehehehehe

Michale

Very well put! If you REALLY want to see some law and order in the USA, write in Vladimir Putin! He'll write the laws and give the orders.

Law and order without justice are just pasties covering fascism.

There's no "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings" in life, snowflakes..

I read somewhere that, during the Michael Brown shooting riots, a Harvard professor excused students from a final exam if they were feeling "stressed" over the Brown shooting...

W......T......F......???!!!

What a great lesson that is for our future lawyers...

I can just see it now. One of those "stressed" snowflakes gets a job with a law firm.. On the day of a big case he/she goes to her boss...

"I am sorry, but I can't do the opening statement for the trial. A black guy 2000 miles away was shot and killed while trying to rob a bank.. I didn't know the guy, but he is black like I am and so I am feeling really REALLY stressed, so I can't do it.. I know, I know.. An innocent man's life hangs in the balance, but I need my safe space today... 'Sides, that innocent man is a white guy so he really isn't 'innocent', so..... Sorry.. I am retreating to my safe space now.."

A total luser, courtesy of the Democrat Party... :^/

Michale

CLOWN WARNINGS ISSUED AHEAD OF HALLOWEEN SEASON

"You come out of the woods dressed like that, come out on the wrong person, they have a gun, could be your life in danger," says customer Hunter Sanders. "Its not worth your life for a simple joke."
http://abc13.com/news/clown-warnings-issued-ahead-of-halloween-season/1526597/

All things being equal...

Anyone who shoots a clown for simply dressing as a clown is going to go to jail... :^/

Period..

Michale

And Democrats continue to re-enforce that definition with totally wussy stuff like "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" and totally stoopid crap like that...

My gods, this next generation is going to be TOTALLY incapable of handling life....

There's no "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings" in life, snowflakes..

Michale

And Democrats continue to re-enforce that definition with totally wussy stuff like "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" and totally stoopid crap like that...

My gods, this next generation is going to be TOTALLY incapable of handling life....

There's no "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings" in life, snowflakes..

Michale

No one here defended the bakery's refusal to do a cake for a retiring police officer's party! NO ONE!

Yes you did. By omission...

You ignored what those bigoted morons did and instead, accused me of being afraid of gay people..

How do you know that the cop isn't gay? Please explain why they would have made the cake for a gay cop's retirement party but not a straight cop's?

Are you serious? Because everyone knows that the Democrat Party bends over six ways from sunday to pander to gay people..

If you can't see how your attempt to pink wash this topic wouldn't be a problem, then nothing I would say is going to make a difference so I will just move on.

It ISN'T a problem. It's just another example of how you ignore the main point because you can't address the bigotry of your chosen Party...

Michale

Shocking..

Michlae

I watched the debate with my brother, an avid golfer, and his assessment was that Trump scored a disappointing +6 after a terrible back nine that included at least one triple-bogey. Hillary finished with an eagle putt for a solid 3-under to take the match and the purse(heh).

I have to admit that I was completely wrong in my earlier prediction of the night [106]: Hillary started the debate with high expectations and met every one of them.

Trump, who only had to act presidential for ninety minutes or so, began the debate alarmingly serene (may I call you Secretary Clinton?), but became increasingly annoyed as the debate went on.

And perhaps we should be inquiring more closely into HIS health, as he's sniffling and grunting alot. She looked fine, never so much as cleared her throat for the whole time, and had a great answer on the subject of 'stamina'.

But Trump's worst moment came on the topic of Nuclear policy, where his lack of preparation and plain lack of knowledge overwhelmed him, and he fell into an uncanny valley of incoherence. It was both fascinating and deeply alarming.

I don't think he'll lose his base (he could stand on 5th avenue and shoot someone, etc., etc.), but he may have harmed himself irreparably with the College educated women that he's been a-courtin' lately, particularly with his remarks about Rosie O'Donnell. It could have been worse - he hasn't called Ellen names yet.

Woo hoo! Check it out:

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/09/26/first-debate-reactions/

-CW

"Mr. Trump claims to be the candidate of "law and order". Well, I would prefer to be the candidate of "justice". Law and order is important, but without justice, law and order is nothing more than tyranny, and I see no justice in a law that allows innocent citizens to be harassed and treated as potential criminals simply due to the color of their skin."

I think Trump went in thinking he could do his usual thing and it didn't work. They had CNN on with a split screen -- is that what everyone saw? -- and she looked great throughout, while he grimaced and frowned and yelled. She was either serious looking or smiling, and sometimes laughing. But she never rolled her eyes, which is a testament to her self-control, or otherwise made any visual errors. His interruptions in the beginning were worrying because we didn't know how long she was going to be able to tolerate them without snapping in some way -- but Holt admonished him and he backed off -- although he threw in a few more here and there.

But the turning point was when she said his father had given him $14 million to get his business started and that was pretty early in the debate. You could see him getting angry, and then he felt compelled to defend himself on that -- she'd rattled him. And I think it went downhill for him from there. He had his moments, but he spent most of his time reacting to her versus getting her to react to him. He pretty much admitted he's paid no taxes, said something about people not doing good enough work to be paid fully, and reiterated his view that Rosie O'Donnell deserved to be called a pig. And we should have taken the oil. And he virtually never directly responded to a question -- he always went off into weird places and often descended into near word-salad. Not quite as badly as he did in the Town Hall -- but close.

The returns tonight are pretty solidly in her favor.

The interesting thing will be how he approaches Debate #2 -- if he shows. Because he's now learned he can't beat her, at least, not by doing his usual thing. In his mind he defeated everyone else that way and I think he felt she'd go down just like all the repubs in the primary. She didn't. Most people think she won in a big way. How does the Donald handle that?

16-0! it's that winning temperament.

JL

If Trump was coked up tonight, there goes his argument that Mexico doesn't send its best.

are you kidding? lester holt did absolutely nothing to moderate the timing and interruptions. it might have even saved donald if his rants had been more forcefully cut off instead of allowed to continue uninterrupted.

In more ways than one. :) *snort*

Who is Secretary Curry?

Signing off, it's been interesting.

Deep down, I keep expecting big men in white coats , nets and syringes to intervene.....Beautiful Mind Style. Trump moves comfortablly thru crazy town.

Holt just politely called Trump a liar about ihis position on Iraq. It's all Shawn Hanity's fault.

LOL :) Good one

If Trump leaves a $100 on HRC’s podium tonight it’s bc he’s used to having to pay women to whip him like this.
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I have a son with a computer. Maybe that little shit is doing the hacking. Hard to know. How much does the little shit weigh?

She is nailing him on the birther issue.

This debate is suffering from the DTs ( Donald Trumpisms).

Who will stop and frisk Trump?

Leave Dallas out of this, little prick.

Stop and frisk. Unconstitutional. Take guns away. Oh, noes! Donald just said we need to take away guns.

OMG!

Use sound proof booths for the next debate?

Priorities, you know... LOL

Trump sounding repetitious because he's out of his league and seems capable of a coherent answer that is on point. He seems angry and keeps interrupting because he can't contain himself. He's all spit and no facts. "Believe me... that I can tell you... I have friends... I am so great, great, great, not to brag but bragging... I... I... I... I... I..."

Rinse, repeat.

Seconds out, round 1.

Republicans began seriously defining Democrats that way back during the Vietnam War, and the meme was used as early as Goldwater, who defined Kennedy's actions during the Cuban Missile Crisis as 'capitulation'. Later in the 60's, Buckley called Democrats "apologists" for the Russians (some things do change!). Even earlier than that was the famous disagreement between Wilson and Henry Luce over the role of a League of Nations. So it's been around awhile.

It has no basis, by the way. Nixon was the President who ushered in the age of détente with China and the Soviets, Reagan who got so chummy with Gorbachev that they once agreed to do away with all of their nuclear weapons (at Reykjavík), before their respective advisors pulled them back.

In the end, historians believe that Nixon unnecessarily prolonged the Vietnam War (and now we know that his people actually prevented a peace deal with the North Vietnamese in 1968), so all of that talk about 'wussies' was just cover for the failure of Nixon's own Vietnam policy.

Ironically, it was Republicans who voted against direct involvement of the US in the Syrian war, a vote in which they opposed a coalition that included both Obama (Hillary) and John McCain.

Many people have been using Gary Johnson (and to a lesser extent, Jill Stein) as a parking place for their votes. Now the race is tightening the pressure will be on them "not to waste their vote".

One of the reasons that Nate Silver gives for the high uncertainty built into his model is that the race is 43-41, unlike 2012 where it was 49-47 at a similar point.

If, as I expect, we move to a settling in of the traditional R/D divisions (i.e. the combined vote grows from ~84% to low 90's), perhaps the demographics we expected to play a stronger role will emerge.

No one here defended the bakery's refusal to do a cake for a retiring police officer's party! NO ONE!

Too bad the cop wasn't gay.. It wouldn't have been a problem..

How do you know that the cop isn't gay? Please explain why they would have made the cake for a gay cop's retirement party but not a straight cop's?

If you can't see how your attempt to pink wash this topic wouldn't be a problem, then nothing I would say is going to make a difference so I will just move on.

Thank you for stating the intent of my question to altohone far better than I did!

Reagan and Obama were unparalleled charismatic campaigners...

By comparison, Hillary Clinton is a dead fish...

If Hillary loses tonight, she is gone...

Michale

So Trump will win this round, it's baked-in.

So, just so we're clear..

You agree with me that Trump will win the debate tonight and Hillary will lose...

Right??

Michale

When did the Democrat Party become The Wussy Party???

Michale

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That sign epitomizes EVERYTHING that is wrong with this country in general and the Democrat Party in particular....

"You might be exposed to things and ideas you might not like.. Please bring your portable "safe spaces" and pacifiers with you as none will be provided..."

:^/

Michale

The problem is, it's nothing but wishful-thinking infused bullcarp...

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with reality and EVERYTHING to do with political bigotry...

Any Trump supporter could write the EXACT same essay, using Hillary as the villian with the exact same "facts" to support the piece...

It's nothing but wishful thinking...

You'll be shown this during the debate tonight. :D

Michale

Assuming she actually SURVIVES Round 1 :D

If she loses badly enough in Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 won't matter...

Michale

As we saw in the Republican primary debates, Trump is a formidable debater who likes nothing more than people either taking him on, or taking his blows.
He will be in his absolute element tonight.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807992/PIERS-MORGAN-pressure-Hillary-tonight-wobbles-wavers-walks-Trump-right-hook-start-counting-out.html#ixzz4LOeFBwMK

That about sums things up perfectly...

Trump has very little to lose...

Hillary has EVERYTHING to lose....

I wish I could stay up to watch it...

But I'll let ya'all enjoy the spectacle without my kibbitzing... :D

But be prepared for tomorrow morning...

NO MERCY :D

Michale

"I don't personally agree that Obama has 'attacked the rule of law', but we can discuss that at some other time"

Sure. It is another time.
Obama's failure to prosecute the Bushies for making torture US policy and the failure to prosecute the MASSIVE fraud on Wall Street are just two examples of his maintaining the attack on the rule of law.

"albeit yours were couched in some very broad assertions"
Nothing like a broad (as in non-specific to easily quotable assertions) assertion... :(
My novel of a comment was already too lengthy, but if you want to get specific, I am willing to participate.

I am glad you share my concerns.

If Hillary wins, your "reform from within" approach that works on building the movement to challenge the status quo will be subverted by the party machinery (as they've been doing in all primary challenges from the left) to ensure Hillary is reelected... most likely unchallenged.
But, if Hillary only wins with a plurality rather than a majority of the vote, a challenger from the left is more likely in four years.

If Trump wins, I hope the futility of the Dem party and the establishment pushing a candidate who favors policies "most Democrats" disagree with (at least "in spirit") becomes apparent.
And, hopefully the movement can become a reality unhindered by the ones who will be responsible for losing an election to an idiot like Trump.

"republicans don't appear at the moment to agree with any of them"

I have no idea how you got that impression, but corruption on Wall Street and the failure to prosecute it, offshoring jobs, the corrupting influence of Big Money on politics, and unjustifiable corporate subsidies are all policies many Republican voters oppose. Many facing pipelines on their property against their will and contamination of their water from fracking share our concerns. Large numbers oppose torture and NSA privacy/rights violations, and quite a few republicans supporting Gary Johnson are motivated by opposition to military interventionism and the drug war.
(and with Trump on both sides of some of these issues, I think it's safe to say even some of his supporters mistakenly believe he isn't a status quo establishment lackey).

The two party, one system establishment puts a lot of effort into trying to hide the "opposition in both parties" reality too.
I don't think you should help them perpetuate this myth... though, if you were specifically talking about elected Repubs, I would agree, even though there are a handful of exceptions on some policies.

Thanks for your response.
A

Not because he'll do especially well with his answers unless Holt loses his mind and asks him his favorite color (orange). He'll win because the bar for him has been set impossibly low (Amanda Terkel wrote on the Huffington post this morning that he only needs to 'show up and not vomit').
Further, I'm sure that Ailes has advised him to 'hang a lantern' on his relative inexperience, i.e., "I may not know as much about the details of these things as Mrs. Clinton does, but what I do know is..." That'll help him weasel out of the tough parts - and dominate the rest.

She, on the other hand, needs, I hear, to be presidential and yet relaxed, informed but not wonky, careful yet accessible. Unfortunately it goes on and on. I don't think I've ever seen a candidate given so much contradictory advice, and coming into a debate with such a high expectation of performance.

So Trump will win this round, it's baked-in. But like Reagan and Obama, who also lost a first debate, Hillary will come back even better prepared for round two.

Yep.... Captain Steve Rogers is a Trump voter... :D

Michale

We can just table this particular aspect until tomorrow morning.. AFTER the debate :D

Michale

Someone's messin' wit us.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And I am seeing an entirely different reality. Somebody drop in and confirm this, please.

538 has Trump winning Ohio 70% to 30%

Trump wins NC 68% to 32%

Trump wins FL 63% to 37%

Trump wins IA 79% to 29%

Trump wins NV 64% to 36%

Would you like me to go on??

Or are you hurting enough already?? :D

Michale

Weep yourself...

Hillary at 49.7% Trump at 50.3%

*I* provide facts and links to back up my facts...

Michale

Whatsa matta wit you today? Go back and look again. 538 has Hillary leading Trump 54.6% to 45.4%, and by 14 EV.

Weep yourself, my kind friend, for your eyes are filled with muddy goo..

I'm not going to attack your beliefs. Nearly every one of your concerns is also a concern of my own (albeit yours were couched in some very broad assertions). I daresay that most democrats agree with at least the spirit of all of your concerns, republicans don't appear at the moment to agree with any of them.

(I don't personally agree that Obama has 'attacked the rule of law', but we can discuss that at some other time.)

But the presidential race is a 'winner take all' contest, set up that way in the constitution. And, to quote the Highlander, "There can be only one."

So our task as citizens then, is to decide which of these two candidates is to be president, or to lose the opportunity that we will have this November to influence American policy right now, rather than later, after a movement more to our liking has grown enough to actually challenge the status quo.

If the election were held today, Trump leads with a 54.9 percent chance of winning the election, according to the site. The win projection stems from Trump winning the key battleground states of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada. The same projection shows Clinton winning Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Virginia.

Read 'em and weep, people... :D

Michale

Leftist garbage like this is EXACTLY why Trump is going to be our next President..

Michale

No, Democrats want to discuss why Trump exaggerated when he claimed he was "totally" against the Iraq war that Hillary Clinton voted for..

Democrats want to put Mark Cuban front and center in the debate to embarrass Trump..

THAT is what the Democrats are all about...

This will be an interesting debate indeed.

Yes it is, but not for the reasons you want to believe...

What's going to be interesting is to see if Hillary collapses in the first 30 mins or in the last 30 mins...

:D

Michale

"So you believe that it is better to throw away your vote/refuse to vote than to vote for the person that would be more likely to push policies that you agree with, even if you do not agree with ALL of their policies?"

I've never once said I wouldn't vote, and the false notion that voting for someone other than one of the establishment candidates is "throwing away" your vote belies a misguided belief in the establishment narrative.

That said, none of that is particularly relevant to my comments to CW to which you are supposedly responding while actually changing the subject.
I could speculate on your motivation for not wanting to discuss the issues I've raised, but that would also just serve to enable your desire to change the subject.

It wasn't just Bernie voters who have problems with the policies both Hillary and Trump support.
Tens of millions of voters in both parties who oppose those policies but who nonetheless voted for one of those two in the primaries and will vote for one of them in the general are being denied any discussion of those policies in the upcoming "debates".

This is by design.
Too many are comfortable with that reality.

The framers of our Constitution had a lengthy debate about whether or not to include maladministration among the actionable offences for impeachment of our president, but in the end they decided that elections every four years were a sufficient recourse to addressing the problem.

However, when both Repubs and Dems agree on policies that amount to maladministration, and (despite being private entities who can make and enforce rules to their own liking and advantage without recourse by our citizens or government) they collude with each other and their establishment media outlets to prevent any challenge to those policies through debates that exclude all discussion of those policies and by excluding third parties who WOULD challenge those policies, we are left with no effective recourse.

The notion of democracy in our republic becomes a farce.

The only remaining methods of challenging these policies (protests, petitions, criticism from independent media) didn't stop Bush or Obama from pursuing those horrendous policies, and they won't stop Hillary or Trump either.

Giving your vote to either Trump or Clinton is a positive affirmation by all doing so that they are content with this farce.

You are, I'm not.

It is also true that our establishment is well aware of the power this farce of a system gives them.
They use it to effectively advance the policies they want and attack the policies they dislike.
That is why when a Dem is elected they attack the "sacred cows" of the left, and when a Repub is elected they attack the "sacred cows" of the right.
A few of many examples-
Bill Clinton attacked welfare and enacted mass incarceration knowing that Dems wouldn't effectively oppose him.
Bush attacked rule of law, fiscal conservatism and our constitutional rights knowing that Repubs wouldn't effectively oppose him.
Obama maintained the attack on rule of law and our constitutional rights, turned unnecessary and illegal military interventionism into a Democratic value, revived the economically and environmentally untenable nuclear industry, and opened the arctic and east coast to oil drilling and our national forests to fracking knowing that Dems wouldn't effectively oppose him.

So, it's just not true that Hillary will only continue the policies I oppose while advancing some policies I agree with.
You aren't paying sufficient attention if you believe that.

A

And the Trump folks want to discuss Vince Foster.

This will be an interesting debate indeed.

Trump: "Did you have Vince Foster and Seth Rich killed?"

Clinton: "You're goddamn right I did!!!!"

heh :D

Michale

— CaptainJack (@TheJackOBrien) September 26, 2016

Hillary must be really, REALLY worried.. :D

Michale

Michale

Yea, right..

And a Chief EXECUTIVE Officer is in charge of accounts payable.. :D

Brown is in charge of the Presidential Debate Committee.. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of bias on her part...

I get it.. You need SOMETHING to hang your BS on.. So, the fact that the head lady is a Republican is all you got... :D

The fact-checkers will be out in force anyway, both during and after the debate, so bring it on.

And THAT is fine...

They can fact-check til the cows come home..

But it's NOT the moderator's job to fact check...

Michale

The fact-checkers will be out in force anyway, both during and after the debate, so bring it on.

Do some research there before showing off that hip-shot. Janet H. Brown is executive director, meaning she's mostly responsible for keeping the lights on.

There are actually two co-Chairmen, each a member of one of the major political parties (a perennial complaint of third parties).

The other members of the Commission are equally divided between members of the two major political parties.

Interestingly, Jill Stein once accused the Commission of having her tied to a chair during a debate she tried to crash.

You really want that???

No, of course you don't..

You want the Moderator to fact-check ONLY Trump and give Hillary a pass....

Michale