Yea, like Neal "ignores" me, but mentions me in every other comment he makes.. :D

Face it, Kick. You CAN'T ignore me. You know I am right and you simply HAVE to try and tear me down...

You could no more ignore me than you could stop being a Party drone who has no individual thought and who's nose is firmly planted up Hillary's keister.... :D

Michale

And it's extremely instructive that you don't..

I get.. You get your ass kicked so often, that it's easier to take if you don't think of them as debates.. :D

While I see no immediate need to rehash your pay-to-play role here or to repost that link of yours outlining its terms,

But obviously you DO see the need to insult our host again...

versus the painfully one-note and tiresome spunk you spew daily..

And yet.. Here you are.. :D

I get it. Yer pissy because you were wrong about Pennsylvania and now you are putting up a brave facade..

I get it. I really do..

I almost feel sorry for you that you have been WRONG at each and every turn.. :D

Almost...

Michale

And yet, more often than not, I am right and ya'all are wrong...

So, you see, yer just pissy because you CONSTANTLY lose in our debates....

"Pissy"? :) *big smile*

"Our debates"? *wide grin* *LOL*

It's extremely instructive that you think what you do here rises to the level of "debates." *LOL* You basically lump nearly everyone into the same category of "ya'all" and assign words to them that they usually never said and/or positions to them that they more often than not had never held... rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

And you... you ACTUALLY think that this straw man routine you've got down and your cherry-picking of polls bullshit somehow qualifies as "DEBATES"?

*LOL*

Ya'all don't have a whole helluva lot of predictive credibility logged... do ya??

But, I have to say, I admire ya'all's.... spunk......

While I see no immediate need to rehash your pay-to-play role here or to repost that link of yours outlining its terms, I think it's instructive to inform you that people do at least expect a modicum of entertainment value and variety in such an arrangement versus the painfully one-note and tiresome spunk you spew daily... all your cutting and pasting and the jerking monotony.

So mop up the floor of your drivel and spew, remove your head you have firmly planted up your own ass, let those monkeys fly out of your safe space, and call Sean Hannity!

https://twitter.com/i/moments/780597674483576833

Troll harder and expand your limited repertoire or I too will be inclined to ignore your soporific psycho soundalike shit. Change your channel and experiment with some new programming for heaven's sake because fall is here and winter is coming. $$$$$

So, you see, yer just pissy because you CONSTANTLY lose in our debates....

And ya'all were wrong about Hillary being "in perfect health"....

Ya'all were wrong about EVERY cop shooting....

So, when one looks objectively at the last year or so....

Ya'all don't have a whole helluva lot of predictive credibility logged... do ya??

But, I have to say, I admire ya'all's.... spunk......

"I admire Klingon women.... They have such.... spunk..."
-Mrs Q

.....in denying what is plainly obvious and ya'all's defense of such an undeniably piss poor prediction record... :D

"You said we did a bad job putting it together....."
"No, I said you did a piss poor job putting it together!"
-ARMAGEDDON

:D

Michale

And ya'all wonder why I call the ONLY Black Lives Matter thugs, 'scumbags'.... :^/

Michale

Word....

That's my biggest beef with the anti-cop Weigantians we have here...

They have absolutely NO foundation or basis in reality...

The idea that you should let the bad guy shoot first and HOPE he misses???

That is so far outside the realm of reality as to be in a different dimension...

Michale

It would have to be more than a single cough. I mean, everybody coughs from time to time, especially when speaking for a long time, especially while recovering from a bout with walking pneumonia...

Dunno how I missed this before..

I agree, it would have to be more than a single cough..

How about a coughing fit lasting more than 15secs... Granted, 15secs doesn't seem like a long time, but it's an eternity when you are having a coughing fit while trying NOT to cough...

Trust me, I been there... :D

In the alternative, we could set a number.. Say more than 2 instances of a 4-cough binge...

Personally, I don't think such subtly will be required.. I think it will be completely and unequivocally obvious that Hillary has a health "episode" or incident...

Michale

There is more transparency in law enforcement today than at any other time in history! We have a media that has realized that the police are an easy target to get people riled up, especially if it has to do with the black community. I have been shocked at how our press have turned their nose up at reporting stories in an unbiased fashion. Journalistic integrity has been tossed in favor of higher ratings.

EXACTLY....

Ya know what's so hilarious about all this??

I say something and get argued and debated and attacked about it for dozens of comments..

Someone with a '-D' after their name comes along and says THE EXACT SAME THING and no one says dick about it....

Bigotry at it's finest... :D

Michale

And yet, more often than not, I am right and ya'all are wrong...

Ya'all were wrong about Trump being the nominee and I was right..

Ya'all were wrong about Brexit and I was right...

So, you see, yer just pissy because you CONSTANTLY lose in our debates....

Michale

And yet, more often than not, I am right and ya'all are wrong...

Ya'all were wrong about Trump being the nominee and I was right..

Ya'all were wrong about Brexit and I was right...

So, you see, yer just pissy because you CONSTANTLY lose in our debates....

Michale

My woeful persistent neediness for attention is far FAR surpassed by ya'all's woeful persistent neediness for dragging me down and trying to convince me (and yerselves) that I am wrong when the facts clearly show that I am right..

Quit saying I am wrong all the time when I am right and I won't have to point out all the time why ya'all are always wrong...

PA must really be buggin ya :D hehehehe

Michale

I agree that it was a good shoot, I do not agree with your assessment that the guy was shot for being a "scumbag". That sort of thinking had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.

Thank you.. I am honestly surprised you chimed in and I retract and apologize my early claim that you wouldn't..

But, to clear the record, I never claimed that Scott was shot FOR being a scumbag. He was shot because he was armed and refused to follow lawful orders...

He's a scumbag because he is a druggie with a long history of assaults, ADWs, DUIs, etc etc..

THAT's what makes him a scumbag...

Michale

Once again, I was proven right about the Charlotte shooting.. Scumbag had a gun and an arrest record a mile long....

One of these days, my expertise and my dead-on-ballz-accurate assessments in police shootings will be acknowledged...

Your woeful persistent neediness for attention, commendation, and deference is evident in almost every post and by nearly every measure.

Yea, when Monkees fly outta my arse.... :^/

As long as your head is planted firmly up in it, you are ironically your own impediment. Sad. :(

Yea, I know... The "deplorables"

No, Scarecrow, you really don't know. Your brainless straw man arguments are really all you've got. You have to twist around what everybody says to get your jollies and argue stupid shit

Ya'all have made that perfectly clear.. Ya'all don't like the cops, the soldiers, the doctors, the firefighters that are all voting for Trump...

There's a word for that..

It's called "bigotry"...

Like them or not, they are going to be choosing our next President...

And that would be President Trump...

Michale

Yes and yes, but with reservations. It used to be that American cops could spend their whole careers without discharging their weapons in the line of duty. Many still do.

The vast majority still do. Do you realize that less than 4% of the police departments in this country had even a single officer related shooting in 2013?

Self-defense laws are more complicated than most folks assume. Most of the time, you have to prove that you couldn't flee rather than shoot. Hence, the right wingery's insistence on "stand your ground" laws that still haven't been tested in the Supreme Court.

And you still haven't addressed the Bundy stand-off.

Self-defense laws do not require you to try to get away from a threat to your life. The moment that you reasonably believe that your own life is in danger, you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself. "Reasonably" is the key word! If someone pulls a gun on you, having to run before you can shoot in self defense would get people killed.

There is more transparency in law enforcement today than at any other time in history! We have a media that has realized that the police are an easy target to get people riled up, especially if it has to do with the black community. I have been shocked at how our press have turned their nose up at reporting stories in an unbiased fashion. Journalistic integrity has been tossed in favor of higher ratings.

Trayvon Martin's death was the first time that I realized just how the press was manipulating stories to fit the narrative that they want to tell. When you look at all of the evidence and listen to the testimonies offered during the trial, it became very obvious that the story that we had all been told had been completely fictional. I found one local news website that reported the shooting as it had occurred: Martin was killed after he physically attacked George Zimmerman, pinning him down and bashing his skull into the asphalt. It had police photos showing the injuries to GZ's face and head and explained that he wasn't charged because the evidence was consistent with his claim of shooting Martin in self-defense. After the story "Black child shot and killed for walking through a white neighborhood" started taking off, the station pulled the article from their site.

Don't get me wrong, Zimmerman is as scummy as they come, and he made for an easy target to turn him into a "bad guy"! But he didn't deserve to be killed by Martin and had every right to save his own life. You have the national press that created it's own account of what occurred based loosely on the actual events. Like NBC's editing of the 911 call George Zimmerman made so that you don't hear him being asked direct questions. The result is a recording that makes it seem like GZ was saying that the person he was reporting was suspicious because he was brown skinned and wearing a hoodie; never realizing that GZ is actually answering questions.

The reporting of Eric Garner's death and Michael Brown's shooting were just as bad. The fact is that our police in this country are extremely well trained in when the use of deadly force is necessary and when it is not. People who claim that the prosecutors let them off easy simply ignore the fact that officers have been prosecuted when the shooting was not deemed to be "justified."

We could wait and let LISTEN chime in as he is married to a cop...

Even though he knows that my assessment is dead on ballz accurate...

I agree that it was a good shoot, I do not agree with your assessment that the guy was shot for being a "scumbag". That sort of thinking had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.

Russ

Violent Charlotte “protesters” rioted, injured police officers, hurled rocks at reporters and cars, looted and torched trucks on the interstate, looted Walmart and trashed a police cruiser on Tuesday night.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/name-shame-charlotte-police-post-photos-mugshots-looters-online/

Nice....

Hopefully these Hillary supporters will be in jail a long long time...

Michale

NOT obeying the lawful orders of police...

If the subjects had just did what they were told, they would still be alive today..

The subjects made a conscious decision to fight the law and the law won...

It's really that simple...

Michale

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.”
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103973781.html#storylink=cpy

Like I said..

A Good Shoot..

I don't expect you to admit that you were wrong and I was right.. :^/

Michale

Okay, I'll bite. What's your thinking?

HA!!!

Shirley, you jest... :D

Michale

There ya go....

Feel free to admit you were wrong.. :D

Michale

- good chance that McConnell will let Obama's SCOTUS pick go through after the election, probably in return for a deal on the debt whether Trump is elected or not.

Okay, I'll bite. What's your thinking?

Yes, you were.. :D You're the only one to date who has admitted that.. :D

Whether you're wrong about the ultimate effect that BREXIT could have on the British economy remains to be seen, as they haven't implemented it at all, yet.

Like I said... You refuse to admit you were wrong... :D

We have seen the full effect of the BREXIT vote and it was NOTHING like ya'all said it would be...

I can guarantee you that I won't be as blasé about our own election.

You mean you will refuse to admit you were wrong when Trump is POTUS?? :D

Michale

Oh, I was wrong about the BREXIT vote alright. I can guarantee you that I won't be as blasé about our own election. Whether you're wrong about the ultimate effect that BREXIT could have on the British economy remains to be seen, as they haven't implemented it at all, yet.

Still hurting from TOTALLY blowing the BREXIT call, eh?? :D

Don't worry too much about it..

I have blown some major calls myself..

The difference between me and ya'all is I don't insist I was right, even after facts and reality show that I was wrong...

:D

Michale

Word is that Obama is waiting for just before the election to actually DO something about the Daesch...

- good chance that Hillary could get elected (if Russia doesn't get in the way).

Ya'all were warned about Russia in 2012.....

"You thought it was more fun to insult me. Well, now it is my turn, wiseass."
-Walter Peck, GHOSTBUSTERS

- good chance that McConnell will let Obama's SCOTUS pick go through after the election, probably in return for a deal on the debt whether Trump is elected or not.

Change "good chance" to "wishful thinking" and you would be dead on ballz accurate...

- good chance that Trump will have another campaign manager/spokesperson/wife before the election. ;}

ditto....

- I'm laying even odds that Trump slips and calls Hillary a bitch during the debate.

I am laying greater than even odds that Hillary won't make or finish the debate...

- 60% chance that Britain won't actually leave the European Union, bowing instead to business interests that consider the whole idea insane.

Once again, you are enamored with wishful thinking..

Still hurting from TOTALLY blowing the BREXIT call, eh?? :D

Michale

- good chance that ISIS could be defeated by the end of the year (if Russia doesn't get in the way).

- good chance that Hillary could get elected (if Russia doesn't get in the way).

- good chance that McConnell will let Obama's SCOTUS pick go through after the election, probably in return for a deal on the debt whether Trump is elected or not.

- good chance that Trump will have another campaign manager/spokesperson/wife before the election. ;}

- I'm laying even odds that Trump slips and calls Hillary a bitch during the debate.

- even odds that visitors from outer space will land again in New Mexico and be arrested by ICE for being illegal aliens.

- even odds that Christie will be sharing a cell next year with Trump at a minimum security golf course, and that Guiliani won't visit them.

- 99% chance that Ted Cruz will run for president four years from now, and not be nominated again.

- 80% chance that we'll ALL miss Obama by a year from now.

- 60% chance that Britain won't actually leave the European Union, bowing instead to business interests that consider the whole idea insane.
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Ergo, they did the jobs of Cinninnati cops...

I am also constrained to point out that many of your larger Universities have their own SWAT/TNT teams, K-9 units, HAZMAT and even EOD teams...

I realize in the sheltered "safe space" rainbows and unicorns dominated world of the Left Wingery these types of things are unheard of...

But in the REAL world they not only exist, but they are important and necessary...

LEOs don't have the luxury of living in the fantasy-infused world of the Left Wingery

Michale

But the truth is, I have studied the Ray Tensing case and it is DEFINITELY a good shoot.. Six ways from Sunday....

DuBoes tox levels were thru the roof.. He was driving drunk and knew he was going to go to jail... He had motive, opportunity and capability..

All the requirements necessary for the use of deadly force...

Michale

And in that particular incident the UofC cop, Officer Ray Tesing was FULLY and COMPLETELY justified in his actions. The video evidence from his cam PROVED that beyond any doubt....

I am VERY familiar with that particular case...

Which, apparently, puts me WAY above you... Knowledge/fact wise...

No big surprise there....

Michale

And THAT is the point..

White people ARE getting gunned down by cops 3 times more than black people..

But YOU don't notice it because there is no political stake in it..

THAT is exactly the point..

Police Officers in this country have a hard enough job without being tarred by the actions of a few bad actors.

And yet, that is EXACTLY what your Left Wingery does....

I can imagine most cops being just as outraged as the rest of us, because those cops who shoot first and ask questions later make their jobs that much harder the next day.

You "imagine" quite wrong.. 99.9% of cops would agree with EVERY THING I have said... If LISTEN had even a smidgen of integrity, he would chime in and tell you EXACTLY what I have been telling you.. But he won't, because he would rather swallow molten lead then agree with me on anything...

A young, unarmed man was shot by a Campus cop at the U of Cincinnati last year. Does a campus cop have to carry lethal force? We ought to think about that, seriously.

Once again, your complete IGNORANCE shines thru..

UofC shared what is called "concurrent jurisdiction" on bordering roads with Cincinnati PD... Ergo UofC cops responded to incidents, domestics, traffic issues, etc etc..

Ergo, they did the jobs of Cinninnati cops...

They ALSO attend the EXACT same Police Academy that city cops attend and have to pass the EXACT same tests that city cops have to pass...

And YOU want them to do that job unarmed???

And yet have the audacity that you are NOT anti-cop???

Michale

Well, that's my point: white people aren't being gunned down by cops, at least not alot, because I'm not hearing about it. Am I to assume that every white person accosted by police in this country is on their best behavior, or that the cops are just quicker on the trigger when it comes to black men lately? Why is it turning out that so many of these men are unarmed? What are we to do with that? Your answers are too easy.

Police Officers in this country have a hard enough job without being tarred by the actions of a few bad actors. I can imagine most cops being just as outraged as the rest of us, because those cops who shoot first and ask questions later make their jobs that much harder the next day.

Maybe we ought to look at the examples of Great Britain, Ireland, New Zealand and others who have police forces that keep their guns locked up until needed. A young, unarmed man was shot by a Campus cop at the U of Cincinnati last year. Does a campus cop have to carry lethal force? We ought to think about that, seriously.

Tell me the last time **ANYONE** here go so hysterical when a WHITE person was killed by cops..

It's *NEVER* happened..

And WHY hasn't it ever happened??

Because it's only an issue when black people get killed by cops..

And WHY is it only an issue when black people get killed by cops??

Because the goal is not actually saving lives or anything like that..

The goal is using their deaths as a political bludgeon with which to beat political opponents over the head with...

That is the *ONLY* conclusion the facts support.....

Go ahead.. TRY and prove me wrong... I double dog dare you....

Michale

And if this guy were white, you wouldn't give two shits about him... YOU wouldn't even know he ever existed...

Tell me the last time you got so hysterical when a WHITE person was killed by cops..

Tell me the last time **ANYONE** here go so hysterical when a WHITE person was killed by cops..

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Yea... That's what I thought...

Michale

If I were a responding officer, *I* would have shot him....

DOesn't matter if he was black, white, red, green, blue or pink with purple polka-dots..

He was holding a gun and refused orders to drop it...

Good Shoot...

Michale

No he was not... And no I wouldn't... He was a scumbag thug with an arrest record for violence and thuggery and he had a gun in his hand...

If I were a responding officer, *I* would have shot him....

Then a group of plain clothes cops surrounds and draws on him, and begins issuing orders. They might have been shouting the wrong name at him initially, as they admit they thought he was someone else. That may not fit your definition of 'ambush' but it has alarming similarities.

Marked officers giving lawful orders is no where on the same planet as the definition of "ambush"...

The fact that you think so is exactly why no one who knows LEO activities and procedures can take your rants seriously....

Michale

I do not, but I'm not going to disguise my concern with both Charlotte and Tulsa.

In Charlotte, this guy is sitting peacefully in his car, PERHAPS examining his own legally registered gun. If this guy were White, you'd be defending him to this point with your last breath.

Then a group of plain clothes cops surrounds and draws on him, and begins issuing orders. They might have been shouting the wrong name at him initially, as they admit they thought he was someone else. That may not fit your definition of 'ambush' but it has alarming similarities.

No.. No 'perhaps' about it..

And the fact that you think there is proves your ignorance regarding the field..

It's harder to view the unprovoked ambush in Charlotte as heroic.

The Dallas assassinations of cops was an "unprovoked ambush"...

The Baton Rogue assassinations of cops was an "unprovoked ambush"...

The fact that you equate this good shoot, this good police work, with those heinous acts proves how far off the reservation you have gone...

Michale

On THAT, we can completely agree..

And, when Trump wins, will you come on here and say, "You were right, Michale.. I was wrong.."

Of course you won't.. Because NO ONE here can admit when they are wrong...

As I said, it's ironic. The left had no such confidence in Hillary. But she's better than that guy by a mile.

And yet, she is barely ahead by micro-inches...

So, it would seem that you are wrong.. :D

Michale

Perhaps. But the reason that that is still a movie trope is that it lends Moral Authority to the hero. It's harder to view the unprovoked ambush in Charlotte as heroic.

But Morality has always been a problem for the right. Bushlet, for example, thought that not only was America's tradition of waiting to be attacked before attacking a foe was outdated (in Iraq), but that our long-standing policy of not using torture was equally quaint. Many Americans still believe that he caused us a significant loss of moral authority in the world as a result.

Doesn't his life "matter"???

Of course not..

Because he was killed by another black person who WASN'T a cop...

For the Left Wingery, black lives only "matter" when they can use their deaths to further an Left Wing anti-cop agenda...

Michale

And yet, through my vote, I am that cop's boss. Yep, my opinion is not only relevant, it matters.

Most Americans DON'T think like you do.

That's the issue at hand, isn't it? I guess we're about to find that out.

You mean an ESTABLISHMENT conservative..Hillary would have wiped the floor with him/her because NO ONE can out ESTABLISHMENT Hillary..

That fits right in with my theory that the GOP base chose Trump over his competition BECAUSE they expected to lose to Hillary - more than democrats ever did, the right has painted Hillary as bigger than life, smarter, more treacherous, more conniving - a true puppet-master. As a result, the right went with a Berserker, reasoning that a vociferous attack had a better chance than a standard campaign.

As I said, it's ironic. The left had no such confidence in Hillary. But she's better than that guy by a mile.

You don't have to point a gun at a cop to get shot...

If you have a gun in your hand and are refusing orders to drop the gun, you WILL get shot..

That exact circumstance happened to me one time. We rolled up on a guy who was just leaning against a building with a .38 in his hand.. He was just standing there... My partner and I approached him and ordered him several times to drop the weapon and put his hands up.. He refused.. When he started to cock and uncock the hammer, he was shot.. Several times..

It was a good shoot...

In your hollywood/fantasy world, the good guy always lets the bad guy shoot first because the bad guy always misses...

In the REAL world, it's suicide to let someone with a gun shoot first...

Michale

But you are ignorant of what it takes to be a cop...

So, when it comes to discussions on LEO activities, you are NOT the equal of a cop...

No one is saying you can't have an opinion..

But YOU can't say it is an INFORMED opinion. A RELEVANT opinion...

This is all part and parcel of the racist, xenophobic, nationalist, authoritarian, elitist, proto-fascist philosophy of those who have hijacked the right lately. Everyone else is a criminal scumbag who doesn't even deserve food.

That's your opinion unsupported by any facts whatsoever..

It's terribly embarrassing, because I don't think most Americans are like that.

You are wrong...

Most Americans DON'T think like you do..

On the other hand, the rest of my once-military family have become Democrats over the course of the last decade,

Which explains the "once military" part.. :D

The irony is that the GOP might have won this election had they fielded a smart, moderate conservative.

You mean an ESTABLISHMENT conservative.. :D

Hillary would have wiped the floor with him/her because NO ONE can out ESTABLISHMENT Hillary..

Which is why Hillary is going to lose...

Michale

On the planet, and in the country that declared me to be (like it or not) the equal of any other man and to have an equal vote to any other man. I am a citizen.

Let's finish THIS discussion and then I'll help you dig up the goalposts and move them to a new location.

Oh, by all means let's open this game up to the whole field, because we've been playing here between the 40's:

This is all part and parcel of the racist, xenophobic, nationalist, authoritarian, elitist, proto-fascist philosophy of those who have hijacked the right lately. Everyone else is a criminal scumbag who doesn't even deserve food.

It's terribly embarrassing, because I don't think most Americans are like that. I don't think the constitution was crafted with that result in mind.

Still, I understand it. I have a brother who makes you sound like Noam Chomsky. I've been dealing with his bloody-mindedness since childhood.

On the other hand, the rest of my once-military family have become Democrats over the course of the last decade, as the alternatives moved further and further to the right, finally, lately, falling right into incoherent bigot-stroking.

The irony is that the GOP might have won this election had they fielded a smart, moderate conservative.

Community policing is a good thing..

But it doesn't change the fact that THIS shooting is a good shoot....

The FACTS overwhelmingly support that conclusion...

Michale

None of which carries the death penalty, which can only be imposed by a jury under our system of law. None of that justifies being gunned down in the street by an official of the United States of America. The constitution applies to both sides, here.

So, because you are law-abiding, that gives you insight into LEO procedures, tactics and expertise???

On what planet??

No, it isn't. And that, too, is a failure of our system of Law enforcement, and probably exacerbated by efforts by the right to get in the way of laws designed to get guns off of city streets. Still, violent crime has been declining for quite some time.

So, no matter what, it's ALL the cops' fault...

Your effort to paint me as anti-cop won't work either.

Looks like yer painting yerself just fine... :D

Police chiefs across this country have supported community policing and stricter gun laws.

Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic under discussion...

Yer gonna hurt yerself if you keep trying to move the goalposts..

Michale

Tell ya what..

Let's finish THIS discussion and then I'll help you dig up the goalposts and move them to a new location..

K? :D

Michale

To you, he was a good christian man who was just ===> <===== this close to going to college and turning his life around..

Remember Michael Brown???

Good boy who was going to college blaa blaaa blaaa.. Before we found out he was a druggie, a thief, a bully and a coward...

Michale

And an even smaller percentage are killed by terrorists in this country, but that doesn't stop Trump from suggesting that we close our borders to a third of the world's population in response.

No, my (equally valid) vast experience as a law-abiding citizen of the US tells me this.

And yet, almost TENS OF THOUSANDS of blacks killed by other blacks... THAT is acceptable to you...

No, it isn't. And that, too, is a failure of our system of Law enforcement, and probably exacerbated by efforts by the right to get in the way of laws designed to get guns off of city streets. Still, violent crime has been declining for quite some time.

Your effort to paint me as anti-cop won't work either. Police chiefs across this country have supported community policing and stricter gun laws.

THAT is acceptable to you.....

Let's face reality here..

Your ONLY concern is pushing a Left Wing anti-cop agenda.. Black lives don't matter to you whatsoever.. If they did you concern yourself with the root cause that kills almost 10 thousand blacks a year..

But Noooooooo... Your ideology demands that you fight for the 8 blacks that are justifiably killed a year...

:^/

If this Charlotte scumbag had been white, you wouldn't give a carp about him because you never would have even HEARD about it...

Michale

I take it, then, that you missed this famous photo of a protester at the Bundy event with Federal officials in his sights?

And your vast LEO experience tells you this??? :D

Michale

"Carnage"????

Really?? You think this is "carnage"??? .08% of blacks killed in a year are killed by cops...

And yet, almost TENS OF THOUSANDS of blacks killed by other blacks...

THAT is acceptable to you.....

Wow...

Michale

Do you have ANY facts to support your conclusion that this scumbag was shot because he was black??

Any facts at all??

No, you don't...

That is ALWAYS how it is with you people and incidents such as this..

LONG on hysterical innuendo...

Not a SINGLE fact to be found.....

Michale

Yes and yes, but with reservations. It used to be that American cops could spend their whole careers without discharging their weapons in the line of duty. Many still do.

In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. Police are only equipped with firearms in special circumstances.

I don't think that it's an accident that an increase in these 'accidental' shootings of unarmed citizens has coincided with the militarization of the police in this country. Perhaps it's time that law enforcement in this country takes another look at non-lethal strategies, and that laws to that effect be drafted if this carnage continues.

Even if what you say is accurate (which I can practically guarantee it's not), the fact that you believe in the ONE SIZE FITS ALL scenario shows your ignorance of the LEO career field...

Michale

And I return to the fact that you are full of shit.... :D

Michale

Key point being ON THEIR SHOULDERS, not in their hands...

And, as I said, there is an open debate as to whether the Charlotte victim was actually armed, or whether the cops planted the gun.

So, ALL the cops there are dirty, is that what you are saying??

And, of course, you have FACTS that suggest that, right??

No, it's NOT an open debate.. That question has been answered..

There were a number of shots fired in Charlotte (none by the victim), apparently by more than one officer.

Actually, only one cop fired.. The black cop...

The race of the cop isn't the issue -

Of course not.. Because the cop is black.. If the cop was white, it would be a huge issue....

- the issue is a built-in bias that assumes that white men with guns are law-abiding and black men with guns aren't.

That's your assumption based SOLELY on your partisan ideology and is not supported by ANY facts whatsoever...

The question is: how many unarmed White men were shot this year by police, by accident or otherwise?

Of the 760 persons shot by LEOs in 2016 to date, 214 of them were black...

I am sure you can do the math....

Michale

Then you're saying that all of those guys with rifles on their shoulders at the GOP convention were subject to immediate execution? And I return to Bundy, in which the participants were actually pointing their rifles at federal officers..

And, as I said, there is an open debate as to whether the Charlotte victim was actually armed, or whether the cops planted the gun. A gun wasn't seen in the video released today, and only appears in still shots taken later...

The cop who shot the scumbag in Charlotte was black..

There were a number of shots fired in Charlotte (none by the victim), apparently by more than one officer. The race of the cop isn't the issue - the issue is a built-in bias that assumes that white men with guns are law-abiding and black men with guns aren't.

The question is: how many unarmed White men were shot this year by police, by accident or otherwise?

Would you have cared one bit if this scumbag who got shot was white???

Michale

In your world, is it possible for a police officer to shoot a black person and it be justified??

It would save us a lot of commenting if we first established that base line...

Michale

What part of the man was armed do you not understand??

Self-defense laws are more complicated than most folks assume. Most of the time, you have to prove that you couldn't flee rather than shoot.

Not anymore.. In most states, if you are in a place that you have a legal right to be and are confronted with a threat, you DO NOT have an obligation to attempt to flee...

All you have to do is have a reasonable belief that your life or the life of someone else is in danger..

Depends who you are, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't, as much as you would like to believe otherwise..

Apparently the right believes that George Zimmerman could prowl a neighborhood looking to shoot someone,

If that was even close to what had happened, you would have a point..

But it's pure Left Wingery fantasy so you don't...

and has no problem with it, because he was looking for black guys.

The cop who shot the scumbag in Charlotte was black..

Race had nothing to do with this shooting, as much as you would like to believe otherwise..

And you still haven't addressed the Bundy stand-off.

Sure, I did.. I said you were full of shit.. :D

Michale

A Capital crime, punishable by execution on the spot? Sounds more like Judge Dredd than American justice.

Now you may not WANT to defend your own life, but the law says you can..

Self-defense laws are more complicated than most folks assume. Most of the time, you have to prove that you couldn't flee rather than shoot. Hence, the right wingery's insistence on "stand your ground" laws that still haven't been tested in the Supreme Court.

Sitting in a car with a gun in his hand... Which is a crime..

Depends who you are, doesn't it? Apparently the right believes that George Zimmerman could prowl a neighborhood looking to shoot someone, and has no problem with it, because he was looking for black guys.

And you still haven't addressed the Bundy stand-off.

I don't mean that in an insulting way.. Well, not much anyways. :D

Seriously, not many people are cut out to be cops... You are simply one of those types....

Michale

It's NOT an open question..

Your Left Wingery denied that the scumbag had a gun..

This is fact...

And, while calling this man a scumbag may make you feel better about his being gunned down by the police state, it doesn't change the fact that he'd committed no crime,

Failure to obey lawful orders of a police officer IS a crime.. Doing it while armed is a felony.. Being a convicted felon in possession of a gun is also a felony..

This scumbag committed numerous crimes..

that he'd committed no crime, and was simply sitting in his car before being accosted by plainclothes cops.

Sitting in a car with a gun in his hand... Which is a crime..

being gunned down by the police state

Wow... How positively beatnik of you.. :D

Yes, I do.

And like I said.. Please don't ever become a cop.. You would put lives in danger..

I can't shoot someone just because I think they MIGHT shoot me, so why is that true for cops

Uh... yes, you can.. Now you may not WANT to defend your own life, but the law says you can..

Such a rule would have saved the lives of how many innocent men this year?

At the cost of many dead cops.. But, of course, that doesn't matter to the Left Wingery...

The job of the police is supposed to be to 'protect the innocent', not 'assume the worst'.

Assuming the worst is what keeps MANY cops alive, including your's truly....

Assuming the best, which is what you are advocating, is what get's cops and innocent people killed...

Michale

Yes, I do. I can't shoot someone just because I think they MIGHT shoot me, so why is that true for cops? It used to be called Return Fire.

Such a rule would have saved the lives of how many innocent men this year? The job of the police is supposed to be to 'protect the innocent', not 'assume the worst'.

I believe that's still an open question. Video released today was inconclusive. It is certainly true that a gun that was seen later wasn't evident in the wife's video.

And, while calling this man a scumbag may make you feel better about his being gunned down by the police state, it doesn't change the fact that he'd committed no crime, and was simply sitting in his car before being accosted by plainclothes cops.

But I honestly doubt he would debase himself to actually agree with me on any point.. :D

Even though he knows that my assessment is dead on ballz accurate...

Michale

Now, it's "Well, he wasn't threatening anyone with it!!!"

Do you even hear yerself??? :D

Michale

So, what you are saying is that the officers should have LET the scumbag shoot first before they considered him a threat???

Please don't ever become a cop... You would put your fellow officer's lives and innocent civilian lives in danger....

Michale

All completely irrelevant to the circumstances..

He was armed. He refused to follow the orders of police.

He was shot...

Good shoot..

Compare this to the many white men who drew weapons on the police during the Bundy Ranch stand-off not long ago.

Bullshit...

You can proselytize and rationalize until the cows come home...

It won't change the one simple fact that this was a good shoot and the scumbag thugs and lowlifes used the shooting as an excuse to do early christmas shopping..

OK, well that's two facts...

Michale

And was shot for no reason at all. He had committed no crime, and the police had him surrounded. He never discharged his weapon, and made no aggressive moves toward the officers.

Compare this to the many white men who drew weapons on the police during the Bundy Ranch stand-off not long ago. Not only weren't they (justifiably) gunned down by the cops, they were allowed to go on their way after the stand-off ended.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

One of these days, my expertise and my dead-on-ballz-accurate assessments in police shootings will be acknowledged...

Yea, when Monkees fly outta my arse.... :^/

Michale

It would have to be more than a single cough. I mean, everybody coughs from time to time, especially when speaking for a long time, especially while recovering from a bout with walking pneumonia...

Just passing through,but I really cannot resist...

Hoisted By Yer Own Picard...

But, apparently, you COULD resist addressing the actual point that I made...

Positively shocking...... :^)

Michale

Balthasar,

Wanna do a T-Shirt wager on whether Hillary shows up at the debate and makes it thru all 90 mins without a single medical issue, including a cough...???

Put yer body where yer ideology is.. :D

Not too sure?? :D

Michale

Those who are en....namored by political ideology refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE this fact...

Present company excepted, of course.. :D

I would be willing to wager a buttload of quatloos that you would have no problem acknowledging the possibility that Trump COULD possibly be the greatest President since Abraham Lincoln... :D

Michale

Only to the uneducated and/or the easily conned. :)

Yea, I know... The "deplorables"

Ya'all have made that perfectly clear.. Ya'all don't like the cops, the soldiers, the doctors, the firefighters that are all voting for Trump...

There's a word for that..

It's called "bigotry"...

Like them or not, they are going to be choosing our next President...

And that would be President Trump...

Michale

heh :D

Michale

Trump's message resonates primarily because people love simplistic prescriptions to complicated problems, not really caring much if it's the right medicine or not.

But that's just it..

Trump's "medicine" just might be EXACTLY the right medicine...

Those who are en....namored by political ideology refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE this fact...

Michale

What? Do you have something against STNG? How will a Captain of a Federation Constitution-class ship enable me to hoist myself? or is it more of a metaphor for a transporter accident where upon I end up on the transporter pad at the completion of transport perched upon Captain Picards shoulders with his head lodged in my, shall we say, rectal cavity?

Weigantian joke.. :D

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x400/67769313.jpg

Michale

Well said, Described you to a TEE..

Hay now.. Kick may be a little touched, but that was uncalled for...

Michale

Hoisted By Yer Own Picard...

What? Do you have something against STNG? How will a Captain of a Federation Constitution-class ship enable me to hoist myself? or is it more of a metaphor for a transporter accident where upon I end up on the transporter pad at the completion of transport perched upon Captain Picards shoulders with his head lodged in my, shall we say, rectal cavity?

I myself prefer the use of the word "petard" or if one wants to go with 'merican'ized "pitard". Which refers to a device of siege warfare that was either a box at the foot of a door, or attached to a long pole that was often lodged into a door or chink in a wall, in an attempt to gain entry. The device was often prone to failure thus resulting in an explosion that resulted often times, for the person lighting or trying to stick the device, being tossed in the air... hence the expression "hoisted by ones own Petard".

These are the things I worry about while sitting in the departure lounge....

LWYH = Russ
Apophis = Phil
Altohone = Al (that's an easy one ... well, easy name to remember, I mean ... heh)
akadijan = David (where are you?)
etc., etc.

Of course. my real name is Phil Hansen. The cake is in the oven. What Trump or Clinton does in the debates I don't think will matter.

Do you think that a Trump victory may be baked in to this election? And, it doesn't really matter what he or she does from here on in ... ?

Love the you put that...

I don't think I'm going to be much into live blogging the big debate. So, get yer beauty sleep! :)

Trump's message resonates primarily because people love simplistic prescriptions to complicated problems, not really caring much if it's the right medicine or not.

Well said, Described you to a TEE..

In elections, perception is everything, my friend...

The PERCEPTION makes Mills (and by extension, Hillary) look guilty...

Only to the uneducated and/or the easily conned. :)

Ya'all's support for Clinton is 1000% based on ideology...

As ya'all have PROVEN beyond *ANY* doubt.. Trump is not ideological....

Hoisted By Yer Own Picard... :D

Michale

If ya'all could get past yer ideology, you would realize why Trump's message, his REAL message, is resonating amongst the vast majority of Americans...

If you had logic and rationality instead ideological fanaticism, ya'all would be very VERY worried...

Michale