Once again, ya'all are claiming that Trump said things that Trump never said...

Oh, really? Follow along with the bouncing ball:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmplyntgns

I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, and I've said a lot of things. In fact, in my book, in 2000, I talked about Osama bin Laden, and I do remember somebody putting the book in front of Joe and Joe saying, "No way he talked about it, no way he wrote about Osama bin Laden before the World Trade Center came down," and they said, "No, he really did." And I remember Joe looking at it in the book saying, "I don't believe it; that's amazing." Okay. So I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people. I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time, I’ll tell you who the people are, but I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have, you know, I have a good instinct for this stuff.

Word for word for word. All Trump.

That's why I didn't make the connection that Kick was full of kaa-kaa... He was speaking out of his ass.. :D

I agree Trump was speaking out of his ass.

EM, JFC, and others all seem to know more about Trump than you, LOL, and they are correct:

You've been "Trumped!" My game, my rules. :)

"Trumped!" is a game I invented where you quote Trump in answer to questions, and then generally a Trump supporter will chime in to tell you how stupid and/or arrogant you sound. Good times!

I have been known to play it at random and with no warning! LOL :D

I didn't claim "knowing more than the generals about ISIS" because of any book. I just said: "Believe me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Mjy9ETtRY

Hah!

Wait ... by 'He' you mean, Trump ... right?

Kick's set-up was perfect and I'm not a fan of explaining the joke, but I have to admit that this has gone better than expected.

Kick's claim of knowing more than the generals about ISIS because he wrote a book doesn't even compare to what Trump said...

Just to reiterate, that is exactly what Trump said, minus the bit about the book. :)

Calm down and read Kicks comments again ... if you want a good laugh.

Kick didn't write a book. Trump did!

Kick doesn't know more about ISIS than the generals. Trump does!

Kick is just pretending to be Trump. Do you get it now!?

Michale, do agree with Trump when he says that he knows more about ISIS than the generals? He didn't even write a book about it. He simply knows more about ISIS than the generals. You must have missed this Trump rally.

Are you still a fan?

Are you still a fan, Michale?

Of Trump? Of course...

Trump's expertise is in the business/economy fields. That's where he is going to do the most good.. Trump not only wrote the book in those fields, he wrote it based on experience...

Kick's claim of knowing more than the generals about ISIS because he wrote a book doesn't even compare to what Trump said...

Once again, ya'all are claiming that Trump said things that Trump never said...

It's TRUMP IS A RACIST all over again. Big on hyperbole and BS.. Not a fact to be found...

That's why I didn't make the connection that Kick was full of kaa-kaa... He was speaking out of his ass.. :D

He tends to do that a lot, so I figured this was more of the same.. :D

Michale

ALL about theory with absolutely NO practical experience.. :D

That wasn't Kick - it was Trump who said those precious words.

Are you still a fan, Michale?

I'll say!

Kick was only parroting Trump! Didn't it sound familiar to you??

:-)

Friday is the second-consecutive day the poll shows Trump leading Clinton by a slim margin. Clinton had led in the poll since the conclusion of the Democratic National Convention.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/08/26/UPICVoter-poll-Donald-Trump-maintains-slim-lead-over-Hillary-Clinton/4311472221679/

Do you accept that poll, JM??

Of course you don't.. You'll find all sorts of excuses to ignore the poll, but the simple fact is, you don't like what it says so you dispute it...

And THAT is why polls are meaningless....

Michale

And the poll you cite ALSO has bias in it..

THAT is my point.. ALL polls have bias.. That's why ALL polls are useless in and of themselves.. That's why the RCP POPs are really the only acceptable poll to quote. Because the bias and the errors usually cancel each other out and we get a true'er reading of what's what..

Which isn't to say that even the RCP POPs are infallible. It's a poll, after all, so it's fallible..

One only has to point to the polls that "proved" Brexit would fail, the polls that "proved" the Israeli Left was going to destroy Netanyahu, etc etc etc to show that often times, polls don't mean dick...

For every poll you find that "proves" Hillary is going to win, I can find a corresponding poll that "proves" Hillary is going to lose and Trump is going to win..

Put another way.. If an argument is solely based on polls, it's a weak and lazy argument with virtually no redeeming qualities...

. Or do you know not even remember your previous criticism of me about how only "REAL POLITICS" polls matter??? When I cited the multiple previous polls for you.....

You misunderstood.. A single poll cited on the RCP website is as useless as a single poll cited on HuffPoop or Breitbart... A single poll doesn't mean dick...

The *ONLY* poll that has any POSSIBLE meaning in reality is the RCP Poll Of Polls....

Michale

And what you said, just EXACTLY PROVES MY POINT FOR ME.

The poll you cited Michale, is one where, the respondents are overwhelmingly likely to BE right wingers.

As for the rest, I have cited for you not JUST ONE, BUT at least 4 or 6 polls since the end of the conventions for you. Or do you know not even remember your previous criticism of me about how only "REAL POLITICS" polls matter??? When I cited the multiple previous polls for you.....

"What part of A SINGLE POLL DOESN'T MEAN DICK do you not understand!???

I can give you TWO polls that show the race is a dead heat.."

And what part of; I have been citing for you multiple polls, at least a half dozen in fact, since the end of the conventions, ALL showing the same thing, do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???

Or the fact that at least one of the polls you supposedly cited, was NOT a poll at all??? It was simply an opinion piece of a lot of people who visited a particular web site, and not a true poll.

Just because you can get a lot of Trump supporters to visit a particular site and log in and all register their opinion, and little to no Hillary supporters visiting the same cite, proves nothing about the opinions of the general public at large, and you know it.

"Oh jeezus h christ.. This isn't a high school class president election..

Do you SERIOUSLY think that a man of Putin's capabilities and leadership will want to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS because "he doesn't like her"!!???"

In a word, YES.

No, this is not High School Michale. It does just show, however, that Putin operates in the mode of a traditional dictator, both at home and abroad, when it comes to dealing with any kind of political opposition.

Don't tell me that you are really going to pretend that the corruption, cronies, and oligarchy surrounding Putin does not exist? Or that Putin is an extremely vain individual? What about all those various shirtless pictures of Putin in the Russian press, from horseback riding to chopping wood, etc.?

Do you also believe that there are that many constraints on Putin's personal power whims being translated into official Russian government action, as long as it doesn't endanger the Russian state or threatens the power and profits of those surrounding him?

Ahhhhhh Apparently, I have.. I didn't realize that Kick is being totally facetious and humorous...

Now that I look at it with your take in mind, I see the humor.. :D

Thanx for pointing it out.. :D

Michale

Ahhhhh... So you "wrote a book" and that makes you more of an expert on ISIS than the men and women who are in the trenches and actually FIGHT ISIS...

I wish I could say I was surprised but that is EXACTLY the kind of "expert" I thought you were..

ALL about theory with absolutely NO practical experience.. :D

I'm a leader. I'm a leader. I've always been a leader. I've never had any problem leading people. If I say do it; they're going to do it.

wow.. And people call ME arrogant.. :D

Michale

Have you completely lost your sense of humour?

Yea?? What training, experience or expertise do you have that would allow you to make such a claim..

I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, and I've said a lot of things. In fact, in my book, in 2000, I talked about Osama bin Laden, and I do remember somebody putting the book in front of Joe and Joe saying, "No way he talked about it, no way he wrote about Osama bin Laden before the World Trade Center came down," and they said, "No, he really did." And I remember Joe looking at it in the book saying, "I don't believe it; that's amazing." Okay. So I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people. I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time, I’ll tell you who the people are, but I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have, you know, I have a good instinct for this stuff.

Put up or shut up... :D

I'm a leader. I'm a leader. I've always been a leader. I've never had any problem leading people. If I say do it; they're going to do it.

And yet, that is EXACTLY what you did.. :D

Like I said.. I got you pegged from day one.. :D

BBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Michale

And Stig's... Can't forget him.. :D

Michale

And yet it's perfectly accurate, as evidenced by YOUR'S and BASHI'S attacks on Don...

and I honestly don't care how much trolling goes on here.

And yet you comment on it incessantly..

Me thinks thou doth protest TOO much...

Face it, KFC... I had your number from day one.. Incoherent babble with not an ounce of intelligence...

And, apparently, I am not the only one who has noticed.. I believe Bashi agreed with me that you should come with a translation matrix... :D

Michale

Since you place such a value on "facts and reality," I should warn you that I know more about ISIS than the generals do.

Yea?? What training, experience or expertise do you have that would allow you to make such a claim..

My military, CT, LEO and Security bona fides are well-established..

Put up or shut up... :D

Believe me.

Give me a reason to....

Michale

Other than stating the facts, what purpose was it SUPPOSED to serve???

If you intended to make people angry at you, it worked. You got really negative responses and I recommended that you not troll in the future because you're trying to persuade people to join your thing and I don't see how it helps you realize your goal.

What did I tell ya'all..

Don was only attacked.. was only beaten up... because he had the temerity... the unmitigated gall to say that I was right about something...

Michale

I respect your opinion. But it's an opinion not borne of facts and reality, but rather of ideology and Party slavery...

LOL :D Notwithstanding your opinion of my opinion, the fact is that you have no idea what informs me or from whence my views are "borne," and not that you need any encouragement from me, but by all means, please prattle on and on, while indulging in rhetorical flights of fancy and revealing yourself.

Since you place such a value on "facts and reality," I should warn you that I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.

Now flip, flop and fly
I don't care if I die.
Now flip, flop and fly
I don't care if I die.
Ah, don't ever leave me, don't ever say goodbye.

Here comes my baby, flashin' her new gold tooth.
Here comes my baby, flashin' her new gold tooth.
Well she's so small, she can mambo in a pay phone booth.

I try to only mention VV when it is relevant to the article or comment thread. I may not always achieve this ideal , but I don't think it reaches the level of trolling (though I admit I don't know exactly what the definition of trolling is, though it is probably in the eye of the beholder).

I have no issues with you or your VV promotional activity. In fact, I think you should ask people to click your name when you talk about it. I was accusing you of trolling on only one occasion and I quoted it in my comment. When you said that the Trump fanboy "seemed to be the only one that understands how democracy works", what purpose did that serve? If you intended to make people angry at you, it worked. You got really negative responses and I recommended that you not troll in the future because you're trying to persuade people to join your thing and I don't see how it helps you realize your goal.

The house troll's definition of trolling is self-serving and ridiculous (shocking!) as evidenced by the fact that you and I actually disagree on very little and I honestly don't care how much trolling goes on here. That's CW's problem, not mine. There are billions of internet comments that I don't look at. What's a few more?

Okay, now THAT was funny! I can so relate ... :)

I am one of the more sensitive souls around here, by the way. I thought you knew that.

I was not being touchy. My hide is pretty thick. I was giving up, but it feels like Groundhog Day, so I'm going to try again.

BTW - were you being sensitive in [114]? I thought not. I believed that you were just riffing off my comment.

COmment #157

I am not beating up on VV because of your green party affiliation, I did it because you mention VV too often

So, if you say something too often that someone doesn't like, you get "beat up"...

Now, if Bashi wants to admit that he chose his words poorly and that he was wrong to put it like that........

Michale

I don't know anything about that last bit ... :(

The new motto for Weigantia ... ?

I'm down with that..

Especially in light of the recently admitted "violence" SOLELY because of a difference of opinion...

Michale

Of course not..

Bashi is beating up on you because you had the ultimate temerity to actually say that Michale was right about something...

Irregardless of that, this begs the question..

Why are beating up on ANYONE, Bashi???

Should Don have the right to post what he feels without any "violence" from the denizens of Weigantia??

Michale

I am not beating up on VV because of your green party affiliation, I did it because you mention VV too often and treat it as though it is some sort of self evident truth with more marketing speak than argument backing it up. Then go on to disparage those who disagree. I'm still waiting for the why. Why is VV better than other campaign finance reform? My view is money is like water, it will find every crack and crevice to flow through and when they do not exist, will create one. VV seems to be putting a rock in the stream, the money will flow right around it. Why is that view wrong?

You then mention that Clinton and Trump are owned by big money. I have already addressed Trump and proven that he is actually funded by comparatively low level donations. Trump has many problems, but this does seem to be one of them. Clinton is the queen of big money, but she had many similar big money donors during her Senate days and voted yay on every single campaign finance reform bill to make it too a vote. Why will she do different once President? If you look at Clinton's and Stein's campaign website you will find Clinton has a section on campaign finance reform. Considering her proposed policy is quite close to Bernie's, what do you disagree with and why do you think she will not try to enact it? Stein's page on the other hand is quite Trumpesque. A short paragraph with general stuff and no details. What is her plan and why will it work?

This is politics. There really is no right answer, only opinions. I might be convinced to share your opinion but they are not self evident and need to be backed up by good argument.

The new motto for Weigantia ... ?

Michale

One thing to remember about CW.com ...

most of us here are quite sensitive souls, when you get right down to it ...

:-)

Around these here parts "trolling" is defined as "Posting comments that the accuser doesn't like or can't factually refute.."

Hope this helps.. :D

Michale

"Because the poll is conducted online and individuals self-select to participate, a margin of error cannot be calculated."

It doesn't matter. It's STILL a poll.. If I were so inclined, I am certain I can find caveats with your polls as well..

But the fact is, a SINGLE poll does not mean dick.. What part of that FACT do you not understand??

It would be like citing a poll of people who visit a blog site like NASA that is by definition biased towards those who support the space program and then claiming that because a majority of them support the space program, that that supports your already preconceived notion that a majority of Americans support the space program, when it in fact, shows NO SUCH THING.

Or it would be like citing a poll where the only respondents are Left Wingers.. Or citing a poll that has the question, "DO YOU THINK HILLARY IS AWESOME, REALLY AWESOME or STUPENDOUSLY AWESOME??" and then you use that poll to "prove" how awesome Hillary is..

You used cherry picked polls to "prove" that Trump's numbers were dropping like a stone... You were completely and unequivocally WRONG, but you can't admit that...

Let me repeat it to you since comprehension seems to be breaking down here..

A SINGLE POLL DOESN'T MEAN DICK....

And every other rational and logical person in Weigantia (all 2 of them) will tell you the exact same thing...

Michale

"Cat got yer tongue?? :D"

NOT at all Michale. You might want to cite the fact that the poll you referenced itself says the following:

"Because the poll is conducted online and individuals self-select to participate, a margin of error cannot be calculated."

Which means it is NOT a traditional poll where people are randomly sampled. It is a poll ONLY of people who DECIDE to actively participate.

It would be like citing a poll of people who visit a blog site like NASA that is by definition biased towards those who support the space program and then claiming that because a majority of them support the space program, that that supports your already preconceived notion that a majority of Americans support the space program, when it in fact, shows NO SUCH THING.

I respect your opinion. But it's an opinion not borne of facts and reality, but rather of ideology and Party slavery...

Clinton could have nip'ed the Email Server issue in the bud had she just came out and addressed it right at the start..

She didn't and she saw her integrity and honesty numbers plummet to the cellar..

Now she is doing the EXACT same thing (hiding) expecting a different result..

The very definition of insanity...

You see???

I have facts and reality..

You have Party slavery and ideology...

Michale

DOH!!!! Fat Fingers.. :D

Hillary Only Up By 3 Points
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/08/24/yougoveconomist-poll-august-19-23-2016/

:D

Michale

DOH!!!! Fat Fingers.. :D

Hillary Only Up By 3 Points
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/08/24/yougoveconomist-poll-august-19-23-2016/

Michale

Cede the battlefield to Trump... What could possibly go wrong.. :D

Perhaps like Trump you are confusing the spotlight for the battlefield, perhaps missing the trees for the forest? Trump and his ilk seem blissfully unaware of the importance of a ground game and quite content with their earned media air war whereby running for the presidency equals running your mouth.

Haven't you heard Napoleon's maxim, "Never interrupt your opponent when he's destroying himself"? You being a retired LEO, surely you understand the concept that the most successful cross-examiners rarely interrupt hostile witnesses but rather let them blather on unrestrained, indulging themselves in rhetorical flights of fancy, thereby letting them reveal themselves?

In Texas we call this giving someone enough rope to let them hang themselves. In my opinion, HRC and her campaign have done a very good job of knowing when to "shut up" and when to "show up," and this clearly isn't their first trip to the rodeo.

Hillary Only Up By 43 Points
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/08/24/yougoveconomist-poll-august-19-23-2016/

Some minor flunky here in Weigantia swears by The Economist so you KNOW this poll is accurate.. :D

Like I said, ONE POLL doesn't mean dick around here...

I only use them to show the WPG how wrong they always are.. :D

Michale

UPI/CVoter poll: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump remain within 1 percentage point
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/08/24/UPICVoter-poll-Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-remain-within-1-percentage-point/1751472050339/

Cat got yer tongue?? :D

Michale

Only an ideologue would think that nothing is wrong with that..

Michale

I absolutely agree. And, if there was nothing there, she WOULDN'T be running away from her PAY-TO-PLAY State Dept..

The fact that she IS running away indicates that, like her private insecure hacked email server, there IS something there...

Michale

Yep!

Because, as a trusted political analyst said, Hillary is all that stands between the Enlightenment ethic that animated the founders of the republic and aggressive know-nothingism.

Good luck to her with that strategy.

She needs to be pushing back on this much more aggressively than a phone call to the Anderson Cooper show. Which I just saw her do. And, which was as lame as could be.

She needs to be pushing back on this much more aggressively than a phone call to the Anderson Cooper show. Which I just saw her do. And, which was a lame as could be.

She shouldn't be running away from the Trump campaign's allegations of pay-for-play. She should be meeting them head on and be as transparent as she can about each and every meeting she had with a Clinton Foundation donor. She should also take the opportunity to highlight the good works of the foundation.

She's doing that on Social Media. I've seen several of her campaign communications on Facebook. There's a lot of action re: politics on Facebook, for those of you who don't have accounts. Paul Begala was on CNN pushing back and there's been a lot of articles and posts throughout the blogosphere.

Yes, I think Hillary has many faults. I think she is taking the wrong approach to her campaign against Trump. Her saving grace and reason she gets elected is none other than Mr. Trump, himself.

I've been saying for some time now that Americans have a choice in 2016 between two flawed candidates. However, I believe Hillary Clinton is the best choice.

She shouldn't be running away from the Trump campaign's allegations of pay-for-play. She should be meeting them head on and be as transparent as she can about each and every meeting she had with a Clinton Foundation donor. She should also take the opportunity to highlight the good works of the foundation.

I'm guessing she won't take that advice if anyone gives it to her.

Not that that matters to the world's idiots but then they swallow anything.

[105] John: Good one!

Michale

OK, so what you are saying is that Hillary has many many faults and she is simply the lesser of two evils here..

Would that sum up your position???

Michale

Try to get over it, Michale. And, accept that judging what motivates people is not your niche.

Careful, Michale ... you are betraying a significant level of ignorance by sticking to that line ...

Caught with his hand in the cookie jar.. :D

Michale

There is no concrete evidence that they ARE doing it...

Haven't you been paying attention??

It's only Clinton et al pushing that idea for political purposes...

Michale

It would depend entirely upon who wrote it.

Bull...

The fact that it was on Brietbart would label it in your mind...

Michale

http://www.salon.com/2016/08/24/george-carlins-anti-cop-album-recorded-prior-to-911-to-be-released-next-month/

Russia is not hacking the DNC and the Hillary campaign to manipulate the election so Trump will win...

So, why are they doing it, then?

I'll have to agree with Bashi that trolling is not a good idea. You've already attracted quite a bit of negative attention to your idea. I don't recall anybody bashing VV before this (except for maybe LizM).

WHAT!?

Unless by "bashing VV" you mean I have suggested a name change. Which I have done on numerous occasions. I believe the name of an organization is very important.

It would depend entirely upon who wrote it.

The difference becomes apparent when you look at the policies and each candidate would put in place and advocate for on a whole spectrum of difficult issues and challenges, domestically and internationally. And, not only are those differences critically important but they will impact - negatively or positively , depending on the candidate - the effectiveness of what you are trying to accomplish.

We obviously disagree about what is fact and fantasy.

I still don't know how that is possible and, yet, it happens all the time - here and elsewhere. Truth, reality and facts have been rendered meaningless. And, I have no idea where we go from there ... but, it is extremely disconcerting.

Do you dispute that Bernie's campaign proved that small contributions can work? Do you dispute that the Tea Party and Bernie's campaign approach of taking on the establishment in the primaries exceeded the low expectations that conventional political wisdom put on them at their beginnings?

I don't dispute that the influence of Big money in politics can and has been overcome. I've always said that effective and visionary leadership trumps big money.

The example I like to look to is how Jerry Brown defeated Meg Whitman and her big spending campaign for the Governorship of California. Her campaign was the biggest spending non-presidential campaign in the history of US politics and, it was all for naught because she was up against a superior leader and human being.

Link to Salon. It's apparently OK.

Which proves unequivocally that Don is *ONLY* being attacked because he said that my point had merit...

"We are the Borg. Your ideological distinctiveness is not permissible. You will be assimilated or destroyed. Resistance is futile"

Michale

So, if I referred you to a particular piece on Brietbart, would you be inclined to read it?

of course not..

You jump to conclusions far too fast, Michale, demonstrating a strange aversion to analyzing an issue with the complexity it demands.

Once again, you want to make a simple issue complex to obfuscate the facts...

Russia is not hacking the DNC and the Hillary campaign to manipulate the election so Trump will win...

See.. Simple...

Michale

"doesn't it embarrass you that Michale seemed to be the only one that understands how democracy works based on your responses to my posts from Friday Talking Points?"

I'll have to agree with Bashi that trolling is not a good idea. You've already attracted quite a bit of negative attention to your idea. I don't recall anybody bashing VV before this (except for maybe LizM).

I didn't refer you to the site. I referred you to a particular piece. Which you should take the time to read.

You jump to conclusions far too fast, Michale, demonstrating a strange aversion to analyzing an issue with the complexity it demands.

You jump to conclusions far too fast, Michale, demonstrating a strange aversion to analyzing an issue with the complexity it demands.

It's a political propaganda site...

No more....

It's only "chock full of facts and sound analysis" that YOU agree with....

Just like the Right Wingery says that Brietbart is "chock full of facts and sound analysis"....

Ya'all are the Catholics, the Right is the Protestants..

Each believing in their one true god and declaring that the other side are heretics..

That's all this is...

Michale

That reflects a profound misunderstanding of what the link I provided is all about.

The price of entry at several of the stops, such as Monday’s dinner at the Beverly Hills home of entertainment mogul Haim Saban, is $50,000 per person. On the Vineyard on Saturday, Clinton netted roughly $2 million at a single cocktail party, then darted off to a small dinner event at a billionaire’s home that generated another $1 million.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-hillary-clinton-fundraising-20160824-snap-story.html

And THIS is the candidate ya'all expect to put the kibosh on Citizen's United???

On what planet!???

Hillary Clinton is *EVERYTHING* ya'all have "claimed" is wrong with out elections..

yet, you are completely silent when Hillary does it because winning is more important to ya'all than anything else..

Inegrity??? Bah!! Who needs it...

Michale

Once again you have brought an end to a discussion because you cannot discern fact from fantasy.

Here's some recent history for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/why-the-russians-hold-a-s_b_11283484.html?

I said FACTS.. Not Left Wingery propaganda...

Would you accept as FACT a Brietbart link?? Of course not...

You have very successfully reduced the meaning of 'FACTS' to just more nonsense.

No, FACTS mean the same.. I have simply proven that ya'all's definition of FACTS is not what normal people define FACTS as...

I have no use for WikiLeaks - never had, never will.

Personally, I don't imagine you would..

It shows Hillary Clinton for the corrupt monster she is..

Michale

You have very successfully reduced the meaning of 'FACTS' to just more nonsense.

That is my criticism of your comments here, by the way. Because it renders cogent discussions - about any issue - virtually impossible. I don't suppose that Chris has ever chastised you for that, has he?

I have no use for WikiLeaks - never had, never will.

I, personally, find no relevance in WikiLeaks. Period.

Prove [that Putin has weaponized WikiLeaks].. With FACTS preferably....

Here's some recent history for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/why-the-russians-hold-a-s_b_11283484.html?

"The only way to eliminate the odor surrounding the foundation is to wind it down and put it in mothballs, starting today, and transfer its important charitable work to another large American charity such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation," the paper's editorial board wrote.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN10Z20Y

HA!!!!!! :D SHUT DOWN THE CLINTON SLUSH FUND!!!!

Clinton is going down!!!! :D

Michale

OK, now you are contradicting yourself..

You claim that WikiLeaks is out to destroy Hillary and in the same breath claim it has no relevance..

Considering the data that Wikileaks has exposed to date, the idea that it has NO RELEVANCE is nothing more than wishful thinking...

Michale

Prove it.. With FACTS preferably....

I can believe that WikiLeaks wants to destroy Hillary..

But the idea that the Russian governments wants Trump as POTUS?

That's just ridiculous and about as NON-SERIOUS an accusation as is possible..

Michale

As a very reliable source has explained, Putin has weaponized WikiLeaks.