Comments on: Being Trump http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/ Reality-based political commentary Mon, 29 Jun 2026 16:07:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82467 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 21:07:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82467 <I>So, to recap: this is no real controversy,</I> Other than the fact the administration lied and you admitted that it WAS ransom... Other than that, you are correct. No real controversy.. :D <I>My guess is that the press is feeling guilty (as usual) about all of the negative press being generated about Trump (a negative-press generating machine), and are playing up this and other minor Clinton 'controversies' in futile hope of 'balancing' the ledger.</I> Yea, cuz the press has ALWAYS been fair-minded like that.. :^/ Do you actually READ what you type??? Michale So, to recap: this is no real controversy,

Other than the fact the administration lied and you admitted that it WAS ransom...

Other than that, you are correct. No real controversy.. :D

My guess is that the press is feeling guilty (as usual) about all of the negative press being generated about Trump (a negative-press generating machine), and are playing up this and other minor Clinton 'controversies' in futile hope of 'balancing' the ledger.

Yea, cuz the press has ALWAYS been fair-minded like that.. :^/

Do you actually READ what you type???

Michale

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82465 Balthasar Fri, 19 Aug 2016 20:33:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82465 So let's go back to post [41](I'm not as thrilled about using post numbers ever since the release of filtered posts changed all of the numbers the other day, so I'll add:) which begin, "the right wants to have it both ways", which Michale promptly interpreted [51] as "both are ransom". In fact apophis [44] got it exactly right: <b>"Basically the hostages were the ransom that Iran had to pay to get its money released."</b> Now, Michale's posts have already signaled how this is being played: that the Obama administration "lied" when it said that the payment and release of the hostages weren't linked (the way the Reagan administration flat-out lied about trading missiles for hostages). But as apophis aptly points out, the situation is, if anything, reversed: the Iranians are clearly the party pressed to do the paying in this case, since it was their own money at issue. No American money was used, hence, no American "payment" was made - so the issue is 'process', not 'veracity'. I understand why this is so difficult for many in the (willfully dense) press corps: it requires more than 140 characters to explain. Everyone who's commented on it here, save for the never-to-be-convinced-anyway contingent, seems to understand the nuanced difference just fine. My guess is that the press is feeling guilty (as usual) about all of the negative press being generated about Trump (a negative-press generating machine), and are playing up this and other minor Clinton 'controversies' in futile hope of 'balancing' the ledger. On the other hand, the press have always been suckers for the Right's manufactured Clinton controversies - good for sales, I guess. So, to recap: this is no real controversy, just another day in the political Mosh Pit... So let's go back to post [41](I'm not as thrilled about using post numbers ever since the release of filtered posts changed all of the numbers the other day, so I'll add:) which begin, "the right wants to have it both ways", which Michale promptly interpreted [51] as "both are ransom". In fact apophis [44] got it exactly right: "Basically the hostages were the ransom that Iran had to pay to get its money released."

Now, Michale's posts have already signaled how this is being played: that the Obama administration "lied" when it said that the payment and release of the hostages weren't linked (the way the Reagan administration flat-out lied about trading missiles for hostages). But as apophis aptly points out, the situation is, if anything, reversed: the Iranians are clearly the party pressed to do the paying in this case, since it was their own money at issue. No American money was used, hence, no American "payment" was made - so the issue is 'process', not 'veracity'.

I understand why this is so difficult for many in the (willfully dense) press corps: it requires more than 140 characters to explain. Everyone who's commented on it here, save for the never-to-be-convinced-anyway contingent, seems to understand the nuanced difference just fine.

My guess is that the press is feeling guilty (as usual) about all of the negative press being generated about Trump (a negative-press generating machine), and are playing up this and other minor Clinton 'controversies' in futile hope of 'balancing' the ledger. On the other hand, the press have always been suckers for the Right's manufactured Clinton controversies - good for sales, I guess.

So, to recap: this is no real controversy, just another day in the political Mosh Pit...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82432 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 16:24:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82432 <I>the administration said the events weren't connected and they were. so yes, they lied about that.</I> OK, THAT's all I wanted to hear.. :D <I>as to whether or not the relationship between the events was a "ransom" - that is a matter of opinion and linguistics, because it doesn't fit neatly into that category.</I> Agreed... Whether you want to call it ransom or leverage or any other label, the simple fact is one beget the other. And the Administration said one did NOT beget the other.. They lied.. We are in complete agreement... If we can't find common ground on the obvious shit, what hope is there to find common ground on the complex stuff?? Michale the administration said the events weren't connected and they were. so yes, they lied about that.

OK, THAT's all I wanted to hear.. :D

as to whether or not the relationship between the events was a "ransom" - that is a matter of opinion and linguistics, because it doesn't fit neatly into that category.

Agreed... Whether you want to call it ransom or leverage or any other label, the simple fact is one beget the other.

And the Administration said one did NOT beget the other..

They lied..

We are in complete agreement...

If we can't find common ground on the obvious shit, what hope is there to find common ground on the complex stuff??

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82430 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:49:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82430 the administration said the events weren't connected and they were. so yes, they lied about that. as to whether or not the relationship between the events was a "ransom" - that is a matter of opinion and linguistics, because it doesn't fit neatly into that category. ransom usually means paying your own money to get back something of value that was taken. the relationship between these events is more complicated, since there were at least four or five events which we now know were interconnected, including the implementation of the nuclear treaty, ten captured sailors, four political hostages, a financial dispute and various other diplomatic issues. i'm curious how the rest of the issues played out. JL the administration said the events weren't connected and they were. so yes, they lied about that.

as to whether or not the relationship between the events was a "ransom" - that is a matter of opinion and linguistics, because it doesn't fit neatly into that category. ransom usually means paying your own money to get back something of value that was taken. the relationship between these events is more complicated, since there were at least four or five events which we now know were interconnected, including the implementation of the nuclear treaty, ten captured sailors, four political hostages, a financial dispute and various other diplomatic issues. i'm curious how the rest of the issues played out.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82414 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:02:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82414 <B>The humiliation of a president “We do not pay ransom. We didn’t here, and we won’t in the future.” Barack Obama might like to have that one back this morning, to stick a pin in the moving finger that writes. But the finger done writ, and it won’t come back to cancel a single line of the president’s fatuous fib that the United States didn’t pay $400 million to ransom four hostages taken by the president’s friends in Tehran. Perhaps the president can take some solace, thin as it is, in the fact that nobody believed him, anyway. The lie fell apart Thursday when The Wall Street Journal reported that the money was withheld until the hostages were actually free, and provided details of how the swap took place. Rarely has a president been caught in such a big and brazen lie.</B> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/18/iran-ransom-humiliates-obama/ Yep..... Michale The humiliation of a president

“We do not pay ransom. We didn’t here, and we won’t in the future.”

Barack Obama might like to have that one back this morning, to stick a pin in the moving finger that writes. But the finger done writ, and it won’t come back to cancel a single line of the president’s fatuous fib that the United States didn’t pay $400 million to ransom four hostages taken by the president’s friends in Tehran.

Perhaps the president can take some solace, thin as it is, in the fact that nobody believed him, anyway.

The lie fell apart Thursday when The Wall Street Journal reported that the money was withheld until the hostages were actually free, and provided details of how the swap took place. Rarely has a president been caught in such a big and brazen lie.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/18/iran-ransom-humiliates-obama/

Yep.....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82394 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:47:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82394 apophis, <I>If Iran would have kept the 4 prisoners they would have never gotten their money back. It's called leveraging a deal, not ransom..</I> So.... In 1973, John Paul Getty III was kidnapped, the kidnappers could have just kept the kid and not get the money.... The money wasn't ransom, it was "leverage"... :D <B>"You really are a simple simple creature.."</B> -Bartleby, DOGMA Ya'all can talk about what the definition of 'is' is until the cows come home.. But the simple fact is this.. I said the payment was ransom.. Ya'all said it wasn't.. The Odumbo administration just admitted that it was ransom.. Ya'all were wrong.. AGAIN... I was right... AGAIN... <B>"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."</B> Michale apophis,

If Iran would have kept the 4 prisoners they would have never gotten their money back. It's called leveraging a deal, not ransom..

So....

In 1973, John Paul Getty III was kidnapped, the kidnappers could have just kept the kid and not get the money....

The money wasn't ransom, it was "leverage"... :D

"You really are a simple simple creature.."
-Bartleby, DOGMA

Ya'all can talk about what the definition of 'is' is until the cows come home..

But the simple fact is this..

I said the payment was ransom..

Ya'all said it wasn't..

The Odumbo administration just admitted that it was ransom..

Ya'all were wrong.. AGAIN...

I was right... AGAIN...

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82388 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:01:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82388 <I>Nobody seems to notice that the Right is trying to have it both ways on the 'ransom' issue: Theory 1: the airplane holding hostages was held on the Tehran tarmac until proof of payment was made. Obviously ransom. Theory 2: payment was withheld by US authorities until after hostages were released. Obviously ransom. Am I the only one that sees this?</I> So, whichever story is factual, EITHER wat, it was, as YOU say, RANSOM.... Well, at least SOMEONE here, however briefly, is in touch with reality... Michale Nobody seems to notice that the Right is trying to have it both ways on the 'ransom' issue:

Theory 1: the airplane holding hostages was held on the Tehran tarmac until proof of payment was made. Obviously ransom.

Theory 2: payment was withheld by US authorities until after hostages were released. Obviously ransom.

Am I the only one that sees this?

So, whichever story is factual, EITHER wat, it was, as YOU say, RANSOM....

Well, at least SOMEONE here, however briefly, is in touch with reality...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82382 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:49:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82382 Ya'all simply are incapable of admitting you are wrong.. If someone holds someone hostage and gets money for their release, that money is ransom.. REGARDLESS of where that money came from.. Jeeesh, I am honestly taken aback... Such a blatant denial of reality, totally based on ideological slavery... Michale Ya'all simply are incapable of admitting you are wrong..

If someone holds someone hostage and gets money for their release, that money is ransom.. REGARDLESS of where that money came from..

Jeeesh, I am honestly taken aback... Such a blatant denial of reality, totally based on ideological slavery...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82381 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:50:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82381 The money was due for arbitration at the Hague. Iran was asking for ten billion. Real inflation adjustment comes out to about 6 billion. The official settlement was 1.2 billion. The return of the original 400m from 1979 was largely symbolic. I guess the symbolism was important to the Iranian government, for them to be willing to release the prisoners as well as the ten seamen who had been captured days earlier. The money was due for arbitration at the Hague. Iran was asking for ten billion. Real inflation adjustment comes out to about 6 billion. The official settlement was 1.2 billion. The return of the original 400m from 1979 was largely symbolic. I guess the symbolism was important to the Iranian government, for them to be willing to release the prisoners as well as the ten seamen who had been captured days earlier.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82371 Kick Fri, 19 Aug 2016 02:33:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82371 [47] What the... ? How did that...? Ignore that! [22] apophis wrote: <i>Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting. I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense. </i> Calling "Lumpy" a/k/a Sean Hannity... mark the "FREE" space... and I think we have a BINGO here. [47] What the... ? How did that...? Ignore that!

[22] apophis wrote:

Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting.

I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense.

Calling "Lumpy" a/k/a Sean Hannity... mark the "FREE" space... and I think we have a BINGO here.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82370 Kick Fri, 19 Aug 2016 02:18:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82370 [22] apophis wrote: <i>Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting. I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense. </i> I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense. We'll just have to wait and see... [22] apophis wrote:

Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting.

I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense.

I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense.

We'll just have to wait and see...

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82366 Paula Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:37:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82366 [40] Balthasar: yep, I'd seen the Parks Dept statement. Priceless! [40] Balthasar: yep, I'd seen the Parks Dept statement. Priceless!

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82365 Balthasar Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:25:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82365 apophis: that sounds about right. apophis: that sounds about right.

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82364 apophis Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:16:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82364 Basically the hostages were the ransom that Iran had to pay to get its money released. Basically the hostages were the ransom

that Iran had to pay to get its money released.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82363 Kick Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:09:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82363 [1] [39] [40] "OMFG"! Thanks for the laughs. Where I come from, since the day he announced, I've been seeing these Trump pinatas. They even are now selling different versions of the "Trumpyata" on the website that rhymes with "spamazon." LOL "With his signature hairline and menacing eyes, this Donald Trump pinata is ready to burst! Pinata measures 32 inches high by 15 inches wide by 10 inches deep." No balls, no guts, hollow and just full of air... Color: Orange. You supply candy and take turns whacking away at the little prick. Good times. [1] [39] [40]

"OMFG"! Thanks for the laughs.

Where I come from, since the day he announced, I've been seeing these Trump pinatas. They even are now selling different versions of the "Trumpyata" on the website that rhymes with "spamazon." LOL

"With his signature hairline and menacing eyes, this Donald Trump pinata is ready to burst! Pinata measures 32 inches high by 15 inches wide by 10 inches deep."

No balls, no guts, hollow and just full of air... Color: Orange. You supply candy and take turns whacking away at the little prick. Good times.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82362 John From Censornati Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:02:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82362 I never heard of ransom being paid with the kidnapper's money. It's a sweet deal if you can get it. I never heard of ransom being paid with the kidnapper's money. It's a sweet deal if you can get it.

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82361 Balthasar Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:43:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82361 Nobody seems to notice that the Right is trying to have it both ways on the 'ransom' issue: Theory 1: the airplane holding hostages was held on the Tehran tarmac until proof of payment was made. Obviously ransom. Theory 2: payment was withheld by US authorities until after hostages were released. Obviously ransom. Am I the only one that sees this? Nobody seems to notice that the Right is trying to have it both ways on the 'ransom' issue:

Theory 1: the airplane holding hostages was held on the Tehran tarmac until proof of payment was made. Obviously ransom.

Theory 2: payment was withheld by US authorities until after hostages were released. Obviously ransom.

Am I the only one that sees this?

]]> By: Balthasar http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82360 Balthasar Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:23:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82360 Paula: not included in the C&L story, but found in the Huffpo article on the same subject was the hilarious response by the NYC parks dept: NYC parks department on naked Trump statue: "NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small.” Paula: not included in the C&L story, but found in the Huffpo article on the same subject was the hilarious response by the NYC parks dept:

NYC parks department on naked Trump statue: "NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small.”

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82359 Paula Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:53:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82359 Today's laugh: http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/midday-open-thread-nude-donald-trump Nude Donald Trump statue miraculously appears in NY City. Today's laugh: http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/midday-open-thread-nude-donald-trump

Nude Donald Trump statue miraculously appears in NY City.

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82358 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82358 How is it ransom? If Iran would have kept the 4 prisoners they would have never gotten their money back. It's called leveraging a deal, not ransom.. How is it ransom?

If Iran would have kept the 4 prisoners they would have never gotten their money back. It's called leveraging a deal, not ransom..

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82356 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:34:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82356 <I>Iran could have kept the 4 prisoners. Instead they chose the $400 million. Done deal..</I> Yea... In plain english, it's called "RANSOM"... jeezus, are you so petty and ideologically enslaved that you can't admit basic reality if it goes against Odumbo??? Michale Iran could have kept the 4 prisoners. Instead they chose the $400 million. Done deal..

Yea... In plain english, it's called "RANSOM"...

jeezus, are you so petty and ideologically enslaved that you can't admit basic reality if it goes against Odumbo???

Michale

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82355 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:32:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82355 “In basic English, you’re saying you wouldn’t give them $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released" Iran could have kept the 4 prisoners. Instead they chose the $400 million. Done deal.. “In basic English, you’re saying you wouldn’t give them $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released"

Iran could have kept the 4 prisoners. Instead they chose the $400 million. Done deal..

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82354 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:09:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82354 <B>IRANSOM: OBAMA ADMIN ADMITS CASH FOR PRISONERS The State Department admitted Thursday that the US would not hand over $400 million in cash to Iran until it released four American hostages — two weeks after President Obama insisted the payment was not a “ransom.” State Department spokesman John Kirby was asked at Thursday’s press briefing: “In basic English, you’re saying you wouldn’t give them $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released, correct?” “That’s correct,” Kirby replied. In an Aug. 4 press conference, President Obama said the opposite</B> http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-department-400m-cash-to-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/ There it is, people.. Ya'all were wrong.... It's that simple... Michale IRANSOM: OBAMA ADMIN ADMITS CASH FOR PRISONERS
The State Department admitted Thursday that the US would not hand over $400 million in cash to Iran until it released four American hostages — two weeks after President Obama insisted the payment was not a “ransom.”

State Department spokesman John Kirby was asked at Thursday’s press briefing: “In basic English, you’re saying you wouldn’t give them $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released, correct?”

“That’s correct,” Kirby replied.

In an Aug. 4 press conference, President Obama said the opposite
http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-department-400m-cash-to-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/

There it is, people..

Ya'all were wrong....

It's that simple...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82353 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:08:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82353 Ya'all *DO* realize that the world won't end if ya'all admit yer wrong... You DO realize that?? Right??? Jeeeeeesh Michale Ya'all *DO* realize that the world won't end if ya'all admit yer wrong...

You DO realize that??

Right???

Jeeeeeesh

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82352 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:04:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82352 <I>It's only ransom if they demand money, which they didn't. </I> How do you know they didn't??? Considering it's IRAN, I would say it's a damn safe bet that they DID demand the money.. Look, you can debate what the definition of *IS* is until the cows come home.. The fact is... I said it was ransom.. YA'ALL said it wasn't... The Odumbo Administration admitted today that it WAS ransom.. Ya'all were wrong... I was right.. DEAL with it... Michale It's only ransom if they demand money, which they didn't.

How do you know they didn't???

Considering it's IRAN, I would say it's a damn safe bet that they DID demand the money..

Look, you can debate what the definition of *IS* is until the cows come home..

The fact is... I said it was ransom..

YA'ALL said it wasn't...

The Odumbo Administration admitted today that it WAS ransom..

Ya'all were wrong... I was right..

DEAL with it...

Michale

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82351 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:05:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82351 It's only ransom if they demand money, which they didn't. There's still about a billion dollars in interest to be payed at a later date, if they behave. If they don't play nice, then no money. Again, well played... It's only ransom if they demand money, which they didn't. There's still about a billion dollars in interest to be payed at a later date, if they behave. If they don't play nice, then no money. Again, well played...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82350 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:56:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82350 I would expect a concession from ya'all admitting that ya'all were wrong and I was right.... But, I know such a concession would be impossible, so..... :D Michale I would expect a concession from ya'all admitting that ya'all were wrong and I was right....

But, I know such a concession would be impossible, so..... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82349 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:48:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82349 All in all, a very good day for me.. :D Michale All in all, a very good day for me.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82348 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:47:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82348 <I> leverage their good behavior.</I> Yea.. It;s called paying ransom.. I don't have a problem with that per se.. I *DO* have a problem with ya'all saying that we DIDN'T pay ransom, when in fact, we did... In other words, ya'all were completely and unequivocally WRONG again and I was right.. That's the point... Michale leverage their good behavior.

Yea.. It;s called paying ransom..

I don't have a problem with that per se..

I *DO* have a problem with ya'all saying that we DIDN'T pay ransom, when in fact, we did...

In other words, ya'all were completely and unequivocally WRONG again and I was right..

That's the point...

Michale

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82347 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:45:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82347 [25] Michale So we used Iran's money to leverage their good behavior. Well played... [25]
Michale

So we used Iran's money to leverage their good behavior. Well played...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82346 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:34:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82346 <B>"Oh Johnnie, Johnnie, did you back the wrong horse..."</B> -Dr Peter Venkmen, GHOSTBUSTERS II :D It's tough being so dead on ballz accurate so many times... :D Michale "Oh Johnnie, Johnnie, did you back the wrong horse..."
-Dr Peter Venkmen, GHOSTBUSTERS II

:D

It's tough being so dead on ballz accurate so many times... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82345 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:04:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82345 Joshua, Your thoughts?? :D Michale Joshua,

Your thoughts?? :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82344 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:03:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82344 Remember how ya'all said that the $400 Million paid to Iran *WASN'T* a ransom for hostages??? <B>STATE DEPT. SAYS $400 MILLION CASH PAYMENT TO IRAN WAS CONTINGENT ON AMERICAN PRISONERS' RELEASE</B> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-18-15-38-54 Looks like Odumbo just threw ya'all under the bus... :D Michale Remember how ya'all said that the $400 Million paid to Iran *WASN'T* a ransom for hostages???

STATE DEPT. SAYS $400 MILLION CASH PAYMENT TO IRAN WAS CONTINGENT ON AMERICAN PRISONERS' RELEASE
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-18-15-38-54

Looks like Odumbo just threw ya'all under the bus... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82343 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:01:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82343 <I>http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/18/1561500/-Trump-loving-white-supremacist-stabs-black-man-to-defend-police-from-Black-Lives-Matter Trump Supporters.</I> Sorry, Paula.. You have absolutely NO CREDIBILITY to condemn Trump supporters, when you are COMPLETELY silent about all the violence and destruction and assaults and shootings committed by Hillary's (O)BLM scumbags... No moral foundation whatsoever.. But thank you for proving beyond any doubt what I have said last week... Ya'all only speak up when Right Wing scumbags commit violent acts.. When Left Wing scumbags commit violent acts, ya are perfectly OK with it... Michale http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/18/1561500/-Trump-loving-white-supremacist-stabs-black-man-to-defend-police-from-Black-Lives-Matter

Trump Supporters.

Sorry, Paula.. You have absolutely NO CREDIBILITY to condemn Trump supporters, when you are COMPLETELY silent about all the violence and destruction and assaults and shootings committed by Hillary's (O)BLM scumbags...

No moral foundation whatsoever..

But thank you for proving beyond any doubt what I have said last week...

Ya'all only speak up when Right Wing scumbags commit violent acts..

When Left Wing scumbags commit violent acts, ya are perfectly OK with it...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82342 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:59:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82342 <I>We'll just have to wait and see...</I> Trump Is Toast Prediction #73 Apparently, Apophis is ignoring the polls in favor of his fantasies.. :D Michale We'll just have to wait and see...

Trump Is Toast Prediction #73

Apparently, Apophis is ignoring the polls in favor of his fantasies.. :D

Michale

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82340 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:49:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82340 Could it be that Trump has made his pivot? With the addition of Bannon, Ailes, and Conway I believe we will see more of Trump being Trump, only nastier. Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting. I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense. We'll just have to wait and see... Could it be that Trump has made his pivot? With the addition of Bannon, Ailes, and Conway I believe we will see more of Trump being Trump, only nastier.

Are we witnessing the birth of the Trump Network? Staring The Donald, Presidential contender and winner of 12 Trump awards for excellence in broadcasting.

I made the last part up, but Bannon of Brietbart fame, Ailes from Fox news, and Conway, it just makes sense.

We'll just have to wait and see...

]]> By: Paula http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82339 Paula Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:41:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82339 http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/18/1561500/-Trump-loving-white-supremacist-stabs-black-man-to-defend-police-from-Black-Lives-Matter Trump Supporters. http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/18/1561500/-Trump-loving-white-supremacist-stabs-black-man-to-defend-police-from-Black-Lives-Matter

Trump Supporters.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82329 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:33:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82329 <I>in that case i agree, they're quite stable.</I> Then, once again, WE have nothing further to discuss... Maybe those who are er... SPAM'ing the community with outrageous claims of Trumps toast'edness will see your words... :D Michale in that case i agree, they're quite stable.

Then, once again, WE have nothing further to discuss...

Maybe those who are er... SPAM'ing the community with outrageous claims of Trumps toast'edness will see your words... :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82328 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:32:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82328 did anyone watch the green party own hall yesterday on CNN? i didn't necessarily agree with most positions they took, but i thought it was interesting political theater. perhaps our country could evolve from a two party system to four. given the amount of gerrymandering present in most states, it would be helpful to have a choice in each district between two parties that were more aligned with that district's voters, not just one party "conservative" and the other "liberal." did anyone watch the green party own hall yesterday on CNN? i didn't necessarily agree with most positions they took, but i thought it was interesting political theater. perhaps our country could evolve from a two party system to four. given the amount of gerrymandering present in most states, it would be helpful to have a choice in each district between two parties that were more aligned with that district's voters, not just one party "conservative" and the other "liberal."

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82327 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:20:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82327 <i>MY point wasn't that Trump is winning and Hillary is losing.. My point is that it totally decimates the argument that Trump's numbers are "falling like a stone".... :D</i> in that case i agree, they're quite stable. MY point wasn't that Trump is winning and Hillary is losing.. My point is that it totally decimates the argument that Trump's numbers are "falling like a stone".... :D

in that case i agree, they're quite stable.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82324 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:05:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82324 <I>if and when donald gets a lead in the RCP average, it will be cause for more serious concern.</I> I'll remind you of that when it happens.. :D <I> clinton's lead shrinking from eight points to five or six as the convention bump fades, not as big a deal.</I> It's not the points, it's the momentum.. Regardless, you miss the point.. MY point wasn't that Trump is winning and Hillary is losing.. My point is that it totally decimates the argument that Trump's numbers are "falling like a stone".... :D Michale if and when donald gets a lead in the RCP average, it will be cause for more serious concern.

I'll remind you of that when it happens.. :D

clinton's lead shrinking from eight points to five or six as the convention bump fades, not as big a deal.

It's not the points, it's the momentum..

Regardless, you miss the point..

MY point wasn't that Trump is winning and Hillary is losing.. My point is that it totally decimates the argument that Trump's numbers are "falling like a stone".... :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82322 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:51:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82322 if and when donald gets a lead in the RCP average, it will be cause for more serious concern. clinton's lead shrinking from eight points to five or six as the convention bump fades, not as big a deal. JL if and when donald gets a lead in the RCP average, it will be cause for more serious concern. clinton's lead shrinking from eight points to five or six as the convention bump fades, not as big a deal.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82299 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:07:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82299 <I>Whatever Trump is doing, he must be doing it right.. Hillary is STILL going down in the RCP POPs and Trump's numbers are heading back up...</I> {{{ccchhiiiirrrrrppppppp}}} {{cchhhiiirrrrrppppp}} :D Michale Whatever Trump is doing, he must be doing it right..

Hillary is STILL going down in the RCP POPs and Trump's numbers are heading back up...

{{{ccchhiiiirrrrrppppppp}}} {{cchhhiiirrrrrppppp}}

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82296 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:58:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82296 <I>my view is that august is far too early to be talking about toast, </I> Agreed.... But that doesn't stop the WPG from doing it just the same.. :D Michale my view is that august is far too early to be talking about toast,

Agreed....

But that doesn't stop the WPG from doing it just the same.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82295 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:57:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82295 <I>but hillary is definitely ahead at the moment</I> but hillary is <B>barely</B> ahead at the moment There.. Fixed it for you... :D We have been here before.. And Trump always managed to come out on top... EACH and EVERY time... Michale but hillary is definitely ahead at the moment

but hillary is barely ahead at the moment

There.. Fixed it for you... :D

We have been here before.. And Trump always managed to come out on top...

EACH and EVERY time...

Michale

]]> By: TheStig http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82291 TheStig Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:18:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82291 CW - I updated my 4 data sets yesterday and ran my models. The rank ordered probability model gives Trump his most favorable odds by assuming a full bore wave election. All of the following apply to that model. The 4 data sets give nearly identical odds of Trump winning the Electoral Race - 20 to 21%. All four data sets support your contention that Virginia and Pennsylvania are keystones in a Clinton Victory. However, Trump has rather poor odds of turning these states...5 to 13 percent across the 4 data sets. The models suggest better weak points (weaker keystones) for Trump to focus on...states offering something close to 20% chance of working. The 538 data set suggests a strong push in New Hampshire. The NY Times data set suggests New Mexico (prime target) and maybe Wisconsin as secondary. The Princeton Electoral Consortium data set argues Wisconsin and North Carolina as primary targets, Michigan as secondary The Predict Wise data says concentrate on Nevada. The four data sets don't agree on the best strategy, but all say focusing on the right weak link more or less doubles Trump's odds of being elected. CW - I updated my 4 data sets yesterday and ran my models. The rank ordered probability model gives Trump his most favorable odds by assuming a full bore wave election. All of the following apply to that model.

The 4 data sets give nearly identical odds of Trump winning the Electoral Race - 20 to 21%.

All four data sets support your contention that Virginia and Pennsylvania are keystones in a Clinton Victory. However, Trump has rather poor odds of turning these states...5 to 13 percent across the 4 data sets.

The models suggest better weak points (weaker keystones) for Trump to focus on...states offering something close to 20% chance of working.

The 538 data set suggests a strong push in New Hampshire.

The NY Times data set suggests New Mexico (prime target) and maybe Wisconsin as secondary.

The Princeton Electoral Consortium data set argues Wisconsin and North Carolina as primary targets, Michigan as secondary

The Predict Wise data says concentrate on Nevada.

The four data sets don't agree on the best strategy, but all say focusing on the right weak link more or less doubles Trump's odds of being elected.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82290 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:57:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82290 my view is that august is far too early to be talking about toast, but hillary is definitely ahead at the moment, and the trump camp is projecting a profound sense of denial. <b>You say it’s not a shake-up, but you guys are down— Says who? Says who? Polls. Most of them. All of them? - Says who? Polls. I just told you. I answered your question. - Okay. Which polls? All of them. - Okay. And your question is?</b> not just a river in egypt. JL my view is that august is far too early to be talking about toast, but hillary is definitely ahead at the moment, and the trump camp is projecting a profound sense of denial.

You say it’s not a shake-up, but you guys are down—

Says who? Says who?

Polls. Most of them. All of them?

- Says who?

Polls. I just told you. I answered your question.

- Okay. Which polls?

All of them.

- Okay. And your question is?

not just a river in egypt.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82288 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:19:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82288 <B>White House Watch White House Watch: Clinton 41%, Trump 39%, Johnson 9%, Stein 3%</B> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch Tell me again how Trump is toast?? I seem to have forgotten what with all the polls to the contrary... :D Michale White House Watch
White House Watch: Clinton 41%, Trump 39%, Johnson 9%, Stein 3%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

Tell me again how Trump is toast??

I seem to have forgotten what with all the polls to the contrary... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82273 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:59:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82273 <B>A new NBC News/SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll showed the Democratic presidential nominee led Trump by nine points at 50 percent to 41 percent. But in spite of her 9-point lead, Clinton remains defined by negative perceptions about her character. A scant 12 percent of Democrats found Clinton honest and trustworthy in the survey.</B> http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/even-democrats-think-clinton-dishonest/ OUCH.... That's gotta hurt.... Of course ya'all ignore these facts.... Michale A new NBC News/SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll showed the Democratic presidential nominee led Trump by nine points at 50 percent to 41 percent. But in spite of her 9-point lead, Clinton remains defined by negative perceptions about her character. A scant 12 percent of Democrats found Clinton honest and trustworthy in the survey.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/even-democrats-think-clinton-dishonest/

OUCH....

That's gotta hurt....

Of course ya'all ignore these facts....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82271 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:13:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82271 According to reports, Hillary is suffering from exhaustion and has no events planned til Sunday... Like I said. It's beginning to look like Hillary won't be physically able to cross the finish line.. :D Yea, I know.. My Hillary predictions are almost as reliable as my SCOTUS predictions. :D But the facts are out there.. :D Michale According to reports, Hillary is suffering from exhaustion and has no events planned til Sunday...

Like I said. It's beginning to look like Hillary won't be physically able to cross the finish line.. :D

Yea, I know.. My Hillary predictions are almost as reliable as my SCOTUS predictions. :D But the facts are out there.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82266 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:30:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82266 Whatever Trump is doing, he must be doing it right.. Hillary is STILL going down in the RCP POPs and Trump's numbers are heading back up... I note a touch of panic amongst Weigantians.. :D Michale Whatever Trump is doing, he must be doing it right..

Hillary is STILL going down in the RCP POPs and Trump's numbers are heading back up...

I note a touch of panic amongst Weigantians.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82265 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:27:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82265 <I>Buried in all the other news about Trump's campaign shakeup was an interesting factoid. The Trump campaign is finally ready to engage in the battle for the airwaves. To date in the general campaign, Trump has spent zero (that's ZERO) dollars on advertising. Hillary Clinton has spent close to $60 million, for comparison.</I> Jeb spent more than twice that amount.. Did it do him any good?? Michale Buried in all the other news about Trump's campaign shakeup was an interesting factoid. The Trump campaign is finally ready to engage in the battle for the airwaves. To date in the general campaign, Trump has spent zero (that's ZERO) dollars on advertising. Hillary Clinton has spent close to $60 million, for comparison.

Jeb spent more than twice that amount..

Did it do him any good??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82264 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:15:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82264 Interesting to note.. All of the sudden, Mexico's President says that he will meet with Trump.. Apparently he knows that Trump is going to be our next President... :D Michale Interesting to note..

All of the sudden, Mexico's President says that he will meet with Trump..

Apparently he knows that Trump is going to be our next President...

:D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82263 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:14:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82263 So, don't tell me, let me guess. TRUMP IS TOAST, right?? :D Michale So, don't tell me, let me guess.

TRUMP IS TOAST, right?? :D

Michale

]]> By: apophis http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82259 apophis Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:08:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82259 With McMullin in the race the good people of Utah have the choice of two Republicans. McMullin could take votes from Trump and if he can pull about 9% Clinton could win the state with 25-30% of the vote... With McMullin in the race the good people of Utah have the choice of two Republicans. McMullin could take votes from Trump and if he can pull about 9% Clinton could win the state with 25-30% of the vote...

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82258 John From Censornati Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:04:20 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82258 If Trump is going to be Trump, then we should all clearly name what that is. I'll start. Trump is . . . almost single-handedly responsible for President Hillary. If Trump is going to be Trump, then we should all clearly name what that is. I'll start.

Trump is . . . almost single-handedly responsible for President Hillary.

]]> By: ListenWhenYouHear http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82257 ListenWhenYouHear Wed, 17 Aug 2016 23:59:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82257 I read this last night and got a huge laugh out of it, but can't remember who wrote the article to give them the proper credit: <b> Trump is the first person to take the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator personality test and the results were "OMFG"! </b> I read this last night and got a huge laugh out of it, but can't remember who wrote the article to give them the proper credit:


Trump is the first person to take the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator personality test and the results were "OMFG"!

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/17/being-trump/#comment-82256 John From Censornati Wed, 17 Aug 2016 23:47:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12692#comment-82256 In a weapons producing nation under Jesus In the fabled crucible of the free world Camera crews search for clues amid the detritus And entertainment shapes the land the way the hammer shapes the hand Gleaming faces in the checkout counter at the Church of Fame The lucky winners cheer Casino Nation All those not on TV only have themselves to blame And don't quite seem to understand the way the hammer shapes the hand Jackson Browne In a weapons producing nation under Jesus
In the fabled crucible of the free world
Camera crews search for clues amid the detritus
And entertainment shapes the land the way the hammer shapes the hand
Gleaming faces in the checkout counter at the Church of Fame
The lucky winners cheer Casino Nation
All those not on TV only have themselves to blame
And don't quite seem to understand the way the hammer shapes the hand

Jackson Browne

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