It is odd that The Orange One won't release his tax returns or health records. It's almost as if he thinks they will make crooked, old, sickly Hillary look good in comparison.

Even if you use a knife and fork, eating at KFC is a mistake.

THAT is what passes for "quality" around here..

No thanx.

I'll stick with my quantity un-"quality" comments, thank you very much...

Just remember, I am playing by the rules established by the WPG...

Ya can't blame me, just because I play the game better, with more passion.. :D

Michale

I have never NOT acknowledged that.. I have readily admitted it on more than one occasion..

yes, that together with the high percentage of ridiculous arguments versus valid arguments, makes it spamming in my opinion.

I respect that opinion.. But, as I have pointed out.. If my posts had been like ya'all's posts (ALL DEMCORAT YAA YAA ALL OF THE TIME) then you WOULDN'T call it spamming..

So, your opinion is not based on volume but rather on ideological content...

a little less quantity and a little more quality would be helpful.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder..

Hillary is awesome!!! Hillary is going to be the most awesomest POTUS in history!!!

THAT is a "quality" post in the eyes of Weigantians..

Like I said.. SOLELY and COMPLETELY based on ideological content...

Michale

thank you for acknowledging that you tend to post excessively. yes, that together with the high percentage of ridiculous arguments versus valid arguments, makes it spamming in my opinion. a little less quantity and a little more quality would be helpful.

JL

So *I* am to be penalized just because ya'all can't keep up???

:D

Regardless, it's NOT based on "Volume"...

If my "volume" were the same, just in SUPPORT of Hillary and the Demcorats, no one here would have a problem with it..

Ergo, VOLUME is not the issue... Ideology is the issue...

Michale

Just as Paula's, Neils, JFC's etc etc comments are..

THAT's my point..

But you don't see their comments as "useless" because you agree with them and disagree with mine...

Like I said, if I posted the exact same way, but posted how much Hillary is da bomb and how much Trump sucks purple panther piss, my comments WOULDN'T be spam...

Ergo, your definition is COMPLETELY ideologically based..

Michale

what makes it useless is that it's generally filled with ad hominem and other logical fallacies. it's the "over and over" part that makes michale's writings spam and JFC's not so much.

no, it's based on VOLUME.

But, outside of you, I doubt anyone will acknowledge it...

So what is termed as "poor argumentation" is simply nothing more than a complete inability (present company excepted :D) to address the FACTS that put Hillary, Obama and the entire Demcorat Party in a bad light...

Michale

The problem is, what you term as "poor argumentation" is in actuality, facts that can't be addressed without admitting culpability..

For example, I bring up how the RCP POPs shows Hillary's numbers going town and Trump's numbers going up...

That's a damn fine argument against all the TRUMP IS TOAST bs that permeates the community as of late...

But it's ignored precisely BECAUSE it's a good argument... :D

Michale

Not my fault that they can't keep up.. :D

Michale

Depends on how you define "spam"....

The problem is, your definition, like everyone else's definition, is ideologically based..

If I posted in the EXACT same manner, but posted in defense of Hillary and attacked Trump, I would be the BMOC around here and everyone would LOVE my "spam"...

The simple fact is, because you are not consistent with your condemnation of "name-calling" that gives you no moral foundation to call me on my "name-calling" because, as with the definition of "spam", it's ideologically based...

Like I said, I am simply playing by the established rules... They apply equally to me as they do to everyone else...

it's just not as prevalent as yours due to not being posted for seven-to-ten epic posts

"Epic"??

Why, thank you.. :D

Michale

@michale,

jfc's consistently ridiculous name-calling does not spam the forum. i have pointed it out before, it's just not as prevalent as yours due to not being posted for seven-to-ten epic posts in succession. same goes for paula or neil and their occasional venture into the realm of the ad hominem. the reason you get so much more flack for it is twofold - first, it's due to the sheer volume of your posting. it's neither my fault nor my responsibility that you've chosen to flood the place with poor argumentation, when you and i both know you're capable of rational argument. secondly, most partisans here own their partisanship. your pretense at objectivity paints a pretty big target when your ad hominem arguments are anything but objective.

JL

Whether you believe it or not is not relevant to the discussion.. It's the same reason I bring up meaningless polls.. To point out and emphasis the differences in reactions....

The simple fact is, I have PROVEN beyond any doubt that I can have discussions totally devoid of any sort of name-calling whatsoever..

If you want to get ME to stop, you will at least have to make an effort to call others on it as well... It's unfair for you to call me on it and give the others who indulge, free reign, just because you happen to agree with them....

"These laws aren't just for Yangs or Kooms... They must apply to everyone!! Or they mean nothing! Do you understand, Cloud William!?"
-Captain James T Kirk, STAR TREK, The Omega Glory

:D

Michale

and if i believe that one, i bet you have a bridge to sell me.

i'm starting a war for peace
~monty python's flying circus

As long as name-calling is the acceptable form of political debate from the WPG, I will continue to play by those rules....

Michale

Except when the Left Wingery, the vast majority of Weigantians or Hillary Clinton does it.. :D

every time you insist upon calling people hoods, thugs and scumbags, intentionally misspelling or misstating their names, is putting yourself in the same category as all those lefties who refer to donald as the racist fascist orange-hued hitler. that's your choice.

The difference being that *I* do it to point out the differences in the reaction..

As your comment perfectly illustrates... When you start calling out JFC, Paula, et al as often as you call out me, then you will have a logical and rational argument..

But not until then...

if it's your preference for your arguments to be invalid i can't stop you, but name-calling is a real problem, and you're not helping.

No.. YOUR lack of consistency is not helping...

. the national trend that donald started of name-calling hispanics and muslims has permeated far beyond the political sphere,

If Trump had actually called hispanics and muslims names, then you would have a point.. But Trump's name-calling has been limited to scumbag terrorists and scumbag criminals..

No one could logically or rationally have a problem with that..

Michale

there's a big difference between objectivity and neutrality. no matter that you refuse to acknowledge it, there is ample evidence both that that donald has made statements that most people would consider racist, and that he proposed a ban on muslims, and was unclear about just how temporary it might be.

name-calling is an ad-hominem argument, and not to be considered seriously. every time you insist upon calling people hoods, thugs and scumbags, intentionally misspelling or misstating their names, is putting yourself in the same category as all those lefties who refer to donald as the racist fascist orange-hued hitler. that's your choice.

and sure, i could come out and tell you what a jackass you're being, but that would not be a valid argument.

if it's your preference for your arguments to be invalid i can't stop you, but name-calling is a real problem, and you're not helping. the national trend that donald started of name-calling hispanics and muslims has permeated far beyond the political sphere, and has reached the classrooms and the hallways of schools, to the point where teachers can't avoid addressing it. and once it's out there, being objective makes it impossible to be neutral.

JL

But, when in Rome.. :D

Faced with the choice between maintaining neutrality and denouncing rhetoric that’s counter to their values, many respondents indicated they would abandon neutrality.

That's the problem.. Once you abandon neutrality, you become an advocate....

An advocate teacher will teach TRUMP IS A RACIST when the facts clearly don't support the lesson..

An advocate teacher will teach TRUMP WANTS TO BAN MUSLIMS when the facts clearly don't support the lesson..

Basically those teachers have the exact same problem that journalists have..

They have abandoned neutrality and a Sgt Joe Friday approach in favor of being an activist..

That's bad...

Michale

have i mentioned that bullying and name-calling in schools has increased in epidemic proportions last school year, and children of color are afraid of being deported?

https://www.splcenter.org/20160413/trump-effect-impact-presidential-campaign-our-nations-schools#about

Committed by (O)BLM scumbags who the Democrat Party honored at their convention...

A group who Hillary says she firmly and unequivocally supports..

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and destroys property, loots and pillages and attacks white people, then it's part of the Hillary campaign...

Funny how there has been absolutely NO CONDEMNATION from Hillary about Milwaukee.. Nor from anyone here...

Yet *Trump* went there to talk with the community...

Hillary??? Weigantia????

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Another good shoot.. Another riot by (O)BLM hoods, thugs and scumbags...

Michale

You have learned well, grasshopper.. :D

But seriously, there hasn't been much, if any violence coming from the Right in the last 4-6 months.. It's all come from the Left...

And the Left Wingery has been virtually silent on it, with the exception of a few cursory platitudes, along the lines of, "We condemn the violence, But Trump blaaa blaaa blaaaa"

The Democrat Party even HONORED the thugs and scumbags at their convention...

No, it's clear that the Democrat Party needs to take a more forceful stand against these thugs and scumbags...

Michale

Really??

When was the last time violence "cropped up" coming from Trump or his supporters??

Michale

i don't think anybody here ever said that, much less maintained it.

I grant you that it hasn't been of late.. Probably because the facts make it so blatantly obviously false...

But the attacks on Trump and Trump supports as violent crazies and thugs by Weigantians is well documented...

what's unusual about donald's campaign in this respect isn't the violence itself, but the willingness of the candidate himself to openly advocate its use.

As opposed to the Left Wingery who actually USES violence....

If you have two groups..

One group "advocates" use of violence in the form of campaign hyperbole...

Another group who actually USES violence on a regular and ongoing bases and where there is a subset group of the larger group who is silent when violence is employed...

Well, it seems to me that the second group is the group that has issues...

Michale

i don't think anybody here ever said that, much less maintained it. outbreaks of violence have cropped up on all sides, and have been dead wrong in every case.

what's unusual about donald's campaign in this respect isn't the violence itself, but the willingness of the candidate himself to openly advocate its use.

JL

I guess expecting the reciprocal courtesy is simply a bridge too far... :^/

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Yea... That's what I thought.... :^/

Michale

That's mighty elitist of you...:D

I'll remind you of this attitude of yours next time you question my expertise in LEO or military matters.. :D

As to your statistics "expertise"??

"There are lies, there are damned lies and then there are statistics"
-Mark Twain

:D

You just are getting pissy because the stats and the polls are saying what you don't want to hear.. :D

Michale

Michale

Do yerself a favor and shut the F up with regards to statistical interpretation of horse race polls. Unless you are trying to deliberately muddy the already muddy waters.

After Ferguson, the movement famously adopted the slogan, “Hands up, don’t shoot.” If it were to take its next catchphrase from Milwaukee, it might be (per Pool’s reporting), “F–k white people.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/16/the_anti-cop_movement_hits_a_new_low_in_milwaukee_131524.html

And the response from the Hillary campaign, the Left Wingery and Weigantians???

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And ya'all STILL maintain that it's Trump and his supporters who are violent???

Mind-boggling... Simply mind-boggling...

Michale

I'll give you 3 guesses but the first two don't count... :D

Seriously, Liz..

Ya'all did the same thing during the Bush years. And there were more than a dozen of ya'all..

Day in, day out, Bush bashing Bush bashing Bush bashing...

Bush bashing as far as they eye could see x 12+...

And I didn't bitch and moan and whine and take my toys and go home... I stayed right there with ya'all, day in and day out...

I guess expecting the reciprocal courtesy is simply a bridge too far... :^/

Michale

"Welcome to the party, pal!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

The thing about Trump is that he thinks that capturing the daily news cycle will be his winning strategy.

And yet, it worked, didn't it??

Of course he's too dim to realize that his antics just continue to contribute to his ever-sinking poll numbers.

Put his poll numbers AREN'T sinking.. He has actually closed the gap and erased Hillary's convention bump... You fail to consider that the 3rd Party candidates are taking voters from Hillary more so than they are taking from Trump..

But a city of several million inhabitants means that he's losing all but his die-hard bigots (his base). They're all in attendance.

I wonder if you can appreciate the irony of the fact that accusing all of Trump's supporters of being bigots, is a bigoted statement. :D

Stick with it Donald. We'll have a good laugh when it's all over...

He who laughs last, laughs best..

And President Trump will be laughing all the way to the White House.. :D

Michale

But you and I both know that we DON'T disagree entirely..

You see, that's your exact problem..

You are so blinded by partisan enslavement, you don't know reality.. It's YOU that lives in a bizarro world of DEMOCRATS ARE PERFECT, REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL...

Michale

Michale, do you know what I get tired of?

I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count ...

I bet ya it's the same thing *I* got tired of during the Bush years..

I'll give you 3 guesses but the first two don't count... :D

Michale

Welcome to the site! Your first post was held for moderation, but from now on you should be able to post your comments and see them instantly.

Just don't post more than one link per comment, as multi-link comments are automatically held for moderation (which can take me a while, at times).

In any case, welcome to the site, and sorry about the delay in approving your comment.

-CW

I have learned that remembering that Michael resides in some Bizarro-world reality makes it easier to get through his comments. Michael disagrees with me entirely? OK, I must be correct then! Michael says that we are all wrong? Sweet, I wasn't sure if we were right, but this lets me know that we are!

I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count ...

And ya'all said Trump's campaign was over... :^D

Don't ya'all EVER get tired of being wrong?? :D

Michale

And back to the 3rd grade playground we go...

Again, THIS is what passes for "serious" discussion around here??? :^/

Well, I guess I don't mind slummin'.. makes me the adult.. :D

Michale

Cable!???

Who pays for cable!?? :D

Michale

"Wasn't there a Sarah Palin Channel back in the day?"

That was some kind of online grift. You've gotta be on cable.

Not at all.. Trump is saying what this country is doing WRONG and what we can do to change the direction this country is heading..

A direction, I might add, upwards of 80% of Americans AGREE with Trump on...

right or wrong, people just don't like boring, and air america couldn't muster the talent.

That's another possibility...

Michale

Of course he's too dim to realize that his antics just continue to contribute to his ever-sinking poll numbers.

He thinks that playing to 5,000, 10,000 or even 20,000 adoring simians must mean that he's winning. But a city of several million inhabitants means that he's losing all but his die-hard bigots (his base). They're all in attendance.

Stick with it Donald. We'll have a good laugh when it's all over...

donald trump is a whiny privileged elitist saying how bad this country sucks. but he's also a great entertainer. right or wrong, people just don't like boring, and air america couldn't muster the talent. the hosts they had who were successful are still successful, but they were few and far between.

JL

Michale

Wasn't there a Left Wingery Channel called Air America back in the day???

Bad ratings or just a bad dream???

Bad ratings. The vast majority of Americans don't like to hear a bunch of privileged whiney elitists saying how bad this country sucks..

Michale

Wasn't there a Sarah Palin Channel back in the day?
Bad ratings, or just a bad dream?

KFC switches colonels faster than the BBC switches Dr. Whos. Will Trump be wearing the white suit, glasses and string tie?

So, if Limbaugh agrees with Hannity then it MUST be factual.. :D

Gotcha {wink, wink} :D

Michale

Very close agreement with apophis @5 on that.

Although, as I am fond (REALLY fond) of saying, this election is like none other...

Historical precedents won't mean nearly as much as some hope they will...

It's a crap shoot, pure and simple...

If only for the fact that the ONE big thing on people's mind is terrorism...

And that's a unpredictable wild card in this election no matter how ya slice it..

Michale

It's odd that Crooked Rhymes-With-Witch Hillary won't release speech transcripts or health records.. It's almost as if she thinks that they will make crooked old sickly Trump look good by comparison...

You make this WAY too easy, JFC.... :D

Michale

She continued, "There is much more that is coming to public attention about Hillary Clinton's behavior, including the recent revelations about favors bestowed on the Clinton Foundation's donors who got special deals, who got state partnerships."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/stein-hits-clinton-on-emails/index.html

Yup....

Like I said.. Ya'all are so fixated on Trump, you can't see how Hillary is going down in flames.. The falls.. The health scares... The corruption....

It's all taking it's toll... :D

Michale

It's a well-documented fact that race relations has gone WAY sideways under Odumbo...

This country didn't have a racial issue until Odumbo created one...

Michale

The Trump Channel - terrific quality conspiracy and hate TV for the poorly-educated.

There will be no disgusting reporters or dishonest talking heads discussing boring reality.

Yea???

How did those do predicting Trump as the GOP nominee??? :D

It's called "WISH-CASTING".... :D

Michale

It's a good thing ya'all have ME around...

Else ya'all would NEVER know what was going on with Hillary.. :D

Michale

Trump is Swift Boating himself. There are cruder analogies, but Swift Boating will do.

Didn't you say nearly the EXACT same thing during the GOP Primary???

But yer RIGHT this time, right?? :D

Michale

Michale

Michale

And it's THAT Trump that the people want..

Unconventional... NON Politically Correct..

What Trump can't seem to figure out (even though everyone around him must be begging him to realize it) is that the general election is not the same game as the primaries.

Yes... That IS the "conventional wisdom"...

But, as we have seen, "conventional wisdom" isn't very wise in the here and now... Ever consider that?? :D

Again, the safe betting is on Trump not being able to help himself. At this point, the safe betting is also on "how big Hillary Clinton's electoral landslide will be" rather than whether Trump even has a shot at winning. And it's only mid-August.

If you exclude ALL other factors:

1. Hillary's health
2. Hillary's email
3. Hillary's slush fund corruption
4. Terrorist attacks

.... then you might have a point..

But you CAN'T exclude those factors...

Michale

NYT, Fivethirtyeight, Predictwise and Princeton Electoral Consortium each provide probabilities of a Clinton win in all 50 states and DC. According to my simulation model run with the above state probability sets, Trump has a very tough time winning 270 electoral votes. His best chance is when all 51 states and DC move in the same direction with regards candidate preference (100% of random variance is expressed in a single national variance component) giving Trump a 12%, 21%, 11% and 16% of winning the election for NYT, 538, PW and PEC, respectively. This allocation gives Trump his best chance of running the table among the few relatively competitive states (most state probabilities are close to zero and one). Trump's chances decline as states and DC behave more independently. His chance decline to 1%,0%,<1% and 3% for NYT, 538, PW and PEC, respectively, when all model variance is partitioned locally as 51 random trials per simulation run. Studies I have been able to find indicate a 30%-50% national variance component range is typical, which implies Trump chances of victory fall in between the extremes.

All probabilities cited above apply to 8/11 data, I run the model about every week.

Maybe McMullin will pull enough from Trump to give Clinton the state. Johnson is polling about 16% in the state, so it's game on...

I laughed so hard I had coffee coming out of my...... wherever.

If Hillary wins Utah I'm going to her inauguration.

Again, the safe betting is on Trump not being able to help himself.

@CW: Maybe he will surprise us all and finally help himself. However it doesn't seem possible - the only sane voice he listens to, we are told, is Ivanka, and she is on vacation with Putin's girlfriend at the moment (tabloid rumor, probably utter nonsense that Murdoch has anything to do with Putin, but as I said, who wouldn't believe anything is possible with Trump?)

Except that all my friends, like me, just can't stop tuning in to see the next Trump cray-cray moment. Pure entertainment, but I wish he was down 10 more points in the polls.

Maybe the WWE culture just can't be shaken off?

Johnson appears to be drawing equally from Clinton and Trump. So I don't think he'll be a factor in Nov.

McMullin in the race is interesting. Sources estimate that 20-30% of Republicans will not vote for Trump. The non-Trump voters have 3 ways they can go.
1. Stay home.
2. Vote for anybody else and down ticket. No draw at top of ticket so why vote.
3. Vote for McMullin and down ticket and go home with a warm fuzzy knowing they did their duty for their party.

McMullin is only on two state ballots so far, so we'll have to wait and see.

Other than the talking heads and pundits trying to turn this into a horse race, it's a pretty boring election.

Here's the numbers from my model: EV: Clinton 342 Trump 196 and probability of a Clinton win 86%...

If he draws 1-2% it might just save 2-3 house seats and maybe a Senate seat if the races are close.

1) handkerchief
2) chloroform
3) Trump body/voice double

Trump is Swift Boating himself. There are cruder analogies, but Swift Boating will do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MubunsD-7g