Comments on: Friday Talking Points [403] -- GOP Anti-Trump Rants http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/ Reality-based political commentary Wed, 29 Apr 2026 10:55:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82556 Michale Sun, 21 Aug 2016 10:20:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82556 Woops... Wrong FTP :D Michale Woops... Wrong FTP :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82553 Michale Sun, 21 Aug 2016 10:08:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82553 <B>Brexit Armageddon was a terrifying vision – but it simply hasn’t happened Project Fear predicted economic meltdown if Britain voted leave, so where are the devastated high streets, job losses and crashing markets? Unemployment would rocket. Tumbleweed would billow through deserted high streets. Share prices would crash. The government would struggle to find buyers for UK bonds. Financial markets would be in meltdown. Britain would be plunged instantly into another deep recession. Remember all that? It was hard to avoid the doom and gloom, not just in the weeks leading up to the referendum, but in those immediately after it. Many of those who voted remain comforted themselves with the certain knowledge that those who had voted for Brexit would suffer a bad case of buyer’s remorse. It hasn’t worked out that way. The 1.4% jump in retail sales in July showed that consumers have not stopped spending, and seem to be more influenced by the weather than they are by fear of the consequences of what happened on 23 June. Retailers are licking their lips in anticipation of an Olympics feelgood factor. The financial markets are serene. Share prices are close to a record high, and fears that companies would find it difficult and expensive to borrow have proved wide of the mark. Far from dumping UK government gilts, pension funds and insurance companies have been keen to hold on to them.</B> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear Ya'all were TOTALLY and COMPLETELY wrong again... I was dead on ballz right... AGAIN... Will anyone admit it?? {{{cchhiiirrrrppppppp}}} {{cchhhiirrrrpppppp}} Yea, that's what I thought... What ELSE are ya'all wrong about??? hmmmmmmmmm???? Michale Brexit Armageddon was a terrifying vision – but it simply hasn’t happened

Project Fear predicted economic meltdown if Britain voted leave, so where are the devastated high streets, job losses and crashing markets?

Unemployment would rocket. Tumbleweed would billow through deserted high streets. Share prices would crash. The government would struggle to find buyers for UK bonds. Financial markets would be in meltdown. Britain would be plunged instantly into another deep recession.

Remember all that? It was hard to avoid the doom and gloom, not just in the weeks leading up to the referendum, but in those immediately after it. Many of those who voted remain comforted themselves with the certain knowledge that those who had voted for Brexit would suffer a bad case of buyer’s remorse.

It hasn’t worked out that way. The 1.4% jump in retail sales in July showed that consumers have not stopped spending, and seem to be more influenced by the weather than they are by fear of the consequences of what happened on 23 June. Retailers are licking their lips in anticipation of an Olympics feelgood factor.

The financial markets are serene. Share prices are close to a record high, and fears that companies would find it difficult and expensive to borrow have proved wide of the mark. Far from dumping UK government gilts, pension funds and insurance companies have been keen to hold on to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear

Ya'all were TOTALLY and COMPLETELY wrong again... I was dead on ballz right... AGAIN...

Will anyone admit it??

{{{cchhiiirrrrppppppp}}} {{cchhhiirrrrpppppp}}

Yea, that's what I thought...

What ELSE are ya'all wrong about??? hmmmmmmmmm????

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82552 Michale Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:56:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82552 <I>maybe you knew her but she wasn't your wife yet. </I> But that's not what you said.. You said: <B>you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her,</B> SO, which is it?? When we were married or before she was my wife?? Regardless, let me be clear. I have never beat my wife, ever.. Not before she was my wife, not after she was my wife.. Now, I have answered your question thoroughly and without reservation.. Now, would you do me the same courtesy and tell me why you are for open borders and letting terrorists cross our southern border with impunity... Because THAT is exactly what Hillary's "immigration plan" amounts to... Michale maybe you knew her but she wasn't your wife yet.

But that's not what you said..

You said:
you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her,

SO, which is it?? When we were married or before she was my wife??

Regardless, let me be clear. I have never beat my wife, ever.. Not before she was my wife, not after she was my wife..

Now, I have answered your question thoroughly and without reservation..

Now, would you do me the same courtesy and tell me why you are for open borders and letting terrorists cross our southern border with impunity...

Because THAT is exactly what Hillary's "immigration plan" amounts to...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82534 Michale Sun, 21 Aug 2016 06:25:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82534 <I> anyhow, the point wasn't to find out how long you've been domestically abusing women, it was to demonstrate the rhetorical tactic you've been using vis-a-vis muslims.</I> And yet I have answered your question to the best of my ability and you have continued to avoid my question.. Which proves that I have nothing to hide and you are ashamed of your support of Hillary.. :D Michale anyhow, the point wasn't to find out how long you've been domestically abusing women, it was to demonstrate the rhetorical tactic you've been using vis-a-vis muslims.

And yet I have answered your question to the best of my ability and you have continued to avoid my question..

Which proves that I have nothing to hide and you are ashamed of your support of Hillary.. :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82522 nypoet22 Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:35:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82522 <i>You'll have to clarify.. Are you asking if I beat my wife BEFORE I even met her??</i> maybe you knew her but she wasn't your wife yet. anyhow, the point wasn't to find out how long you've been domestically abusing women, it was to demonstrate the rhetorical tactic you've been using vis-a-vis muslims. You'll have to clarify.. Are you asking if I beat my wife BEFORE I even met her??

maybe you knew her but she wasn't your wife yet. anyhow, the point wasn't to find out how long you've been domestically abusing women, it was to demonstrate the rhetorical tactic you've been using vis-a-vis muslims.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82521 nypoet22 Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:29:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82521 <i>Even if you ARE correct, what about the ones who do??</i> they should go through the same vetting process as christians, jews, hindus, buddhists, daoists, shintoists, atheists and anybody else. the government must treat all individuals seeking visas the same, not single them out based on how they choose to worship. being muslim or mexican doesn't make one a rapist or a murderer of gays any more than being christian does. JL Even if you ARE correct, what about the ones who do??

they should go through the same vetting process as christians, jews, hindus, buddhists, daoists, shintoists, atheists and anybody else. the government must treat all individuals seeking visas the same, not single them out based on how they choose to worship. being muslim or mexican doesn't make one a rapist or a murderer of gays any more than being christian does.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82518 Michale Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:14:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82518 <I>you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it?</I> You'll have to clarify.. Are you asking if I beat my wife BEFORE I even met her?? How, exactly would that be possible?? I am making an effort to answer your question but I feel you are being intentionally obtuse.. But it's so typical of the WPG.. Always demanding answers and demanding responses to points made, but NEVER (OK you are the exception) answering any questions or responding to the follow-up.. I am STILL waiting for Paula to respond to a dozen follow-ups... It's so typical... Always demanding, never reciprocating... Present company excepted, of course.. To an extent.. I'll be awaiting your clarification and your answer to MY questions.. Michale... you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it?

You'll have to clarify.. Are you asking if I beat my wife BEFORE I even met her??

How, exactly would that be possible??

I am making an effort to answer your question but I feel you are being intentionally obtuse..

But it's so typical of the WPG.. Always demanding answers and demanding responses to points made, but NEVER (OK you are the exception) answering any questions or responding to the follow-up..

I am STILL waiting for Paula to respond to a dozen follow-ups...

It's so typical... Always demanding, never reciprocating... Present company excepted, of course.. To an extent..

I'll be awaiting your clarification and your answer to MY questions..

Michale...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82514 Michale Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:52:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82514 <I>most muslims do NOT support raping women or murdering gays, </I> All the facts to the contrary... Even if you ARE correct, what about the ones who do?? Shouldn't we keep THEM out of the US?? Another question you can't answer because it perfectly illustrates the fallacy of your support of Hillary... Michale most muslims do NOT support raping women or murdering gays,

All the facts to the contrary...

Even if you ARE correct, what about the ones who do??

Shouldn't we keep THEM out of the US??

Another question you can't answer because it perfectly illustrates the fallacy of your support of Hillary...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82513 Michale Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:50:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82513 <I>you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it?</I> I have answered your question.. When are you going to start answering mine?? Michale you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it?

I have answered your question..

When are you going to start answering mine??

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82502 nypoet22 Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:13:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82502 <i>I have never STARTED beating my wife, so stopping is not really an accurate question to ask..</i> you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it? most muslims do NOT support raping women or murdering gays, but if you're going to continue asking loaded questions, so shall i. JL I have never STARTED beating my wife, so stopping is not really an accurate question to ask..

you mean by the time you were married you were already beating her, or it happened without you even starting? quit dodging the question, which is it?

most muslims do NOT support raping women or murdering gays, but if you're going to continue asking loaded questions, so shall i.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82488 Michale Sat, 20 Aug 2016 06:00:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82488 <I>unless you'd care to explain why you haven't stopped beating your wife, </I> I have never STARTED beating my wife, so stopping is not really an accurate question to ask.. See how easy it is?? <I>i will also refrain from answering fallacious loaded questions.</I> Because the answer shows the fallacy of your argument.. Trump WANTS to stop terrorists from entering this country. Hillary does not.. Your support of Hillary indicates that you also do not mind terrorists entering this country.. <B>"Simple logic"</B> -Admiral James T Kirk, STAR TREK IV, The Final Frontier Michale unless you'd care to explain why you haven't stopped beating your wife,

I have never STARTED beating my wife, so stopping is not really an accurate question to ask..

See how easy it is??

i will also refrain from answering fallacious loaded questions.

Because the answer shows the fallacy of your argument..

Trump WANTS to stop terrorists from entering this country.

Hillary does not..

Your support of Hillary indicates that you also do not mind terrorists entering this country..

"Simple logic"
-Admiral James T Kirk, STAR TREK IV, The Final Frontier

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82477 nypoet22 Sat, 20 Aug 2016 04:03:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82477 <i>Doesn't negate the validity of the question, nor does it explain your unwillingness to answer the question..</i> that is precisely what it does, on both counts. unless you'd care to explain why you haven't stopped beating your wife, i will also refrain from answering fallacious loaded questions. Doesn't negate the validity of the question, nor does it explain your unwillingness to answer the question..

that is precisely what it does, on both counts.

unless you'd care to explain why you haven't stopped beating your wife, i will also refrain from answering fallacious loaded questions.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82431 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 16:22:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82431 <I>this is called the complex (or loaded) question fallacy. </I> You can label the question all you want. Doesn't negate the validity of the question, nor does it explain your unwillingness to answer the question.. Modern islam approves of gay bashing and gay killing and approves of the subjugation and rape and honor killing of women.. Shouldn't a muslim who wants to immigrate to the US be questioned on their beliefs in that regard?? <I>i think it's a good start that he expressed regret yesterday over the fact that he spoke offensive words, and that the result was it hurt people. </I> Yes, it was... Will he get any credit for it from Weigantians besides from present company?? 10,000 quatloos says no... Michale this is called the complex (or loaded) question fallacy.

You can label the question all you want.

Doesn't negate the validity of the question, nor does it explain your unwillingness to answer the question..

Modern islam approves of gay bashing and gay killing and approves of the subjugation and rape and honor killing of women..

Shouldn't a muslim who wants to immigrate to the US be questioned on their beliefs in that regard??

i think it's a good start that he expressed regret yesterday over the fact that he spoke offensive words, and that the result was it hurt people.

Yes, it was...

Will he get any credit for it from Weigantians besides from present company??

10,000 quatloos says no...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82429 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 15:24:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82429 <i>I mean, do YOU want immigrants coming to America who think it is perfectly acceptable to subjugate and beat and rape women and who think it is perfectly acceptable to kill gay people??</i> this is called the complex (or loaded) question fallacy. How many times per day do you beat your wife? https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/69/Complex-Question-Fallacy <i>What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines??</i> i think it's a good start that he expressed regret yesterday over the fact that he spoke offensive words, and that the result was it hurt people. now it's up to him to correct his own mistakes, or live with the public belief that those mistakes were intentional. i'll get to the specifics of the plan in a subsequent column, but i did read an excellent article about it in fortune magazine. JL I mean, do YOU want immigrants coming to America who think it is perfectly acceptable to subjugate and beat and rape women and who think it is perfectly acceptable to kill gay people??

this is called the complex (or loaded) question fallacy. How many times per day do you beat your wife?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/69/Complex-Question-Fallacy

What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines??

i think it's a good start that he expressed regret yesterday over the fact that he spoke offensive words, and that the result was it hurt people. now it's up to him to correct his own mistakes, or live with the public belief that those mistakes were intentional. i'll get to the specifics of the plan in a subsequent column, but i did read an excellent article about it in fortune magazine.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82426 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:58:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82426 <I>What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines?? Quizzing incoming immigrants on their tolerance for gay rights and women's rights??</I> I mean, do YOU want immigrants coming to America who think it is perfectly acceptable to subjugate and beat and rape women and who think it is perfectly acceptable to kill gay people?? Trump doesn't... Neither do I... Michale What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines??

Quizzing incoming immigrants on their tolerance for gay rights and women's rights??

I mean, do YOU want immigrants coming to America who think it is perfectly acceptable to subjugate and beat and rape women and who think it is perfectly acceptable to kill gay people??

Trump doesn't... Neither do I...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82424 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:50:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82424 <I>i don't want terrorists of ANY kind. islamists are a small minority; many muslims don't even consider them muslims. even calling islamists muslims is a bit of a slur.</I> OK, forget terrorism.. What about mainstream islam that denies women equal rights and approves of gay bashing and gay killings?? It's not just the terrorism... <I>if donald's own word were what you just said, then you'd have a valid point. however, as you are wont to say, they weren't, so you don't.</I> Actually, it was what Trump said. He just said it poorly. But we are agreed that, if Trump DID mean that, which all the evidence points to, then it's a GOOD thing, right?? What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines?? Quizzing incoming immigrants on their tolerance for gay rights and women's rights?? Michale i don't want terrorists of ANY kind. islamists are a small minority; many muslims don't even consider them muslims. even calling islamists muslims is a bit of a slur.

OK, forget terrorism..

What about mainstream islam that denies women equal rights and approves of gay bashing and gay killings??

It's not just the terrorism...

if donald's own word were what you just said, then you'd have a valid point. however, as you are wont to say, they weren't, so you don't.

Actually, it was what Trump said. He just said it poorly.

But we are agreed that, if Trump DID mean that, which all the evidence points to, then it's a GOOD thing, right??

What do you think about Trump's immigration process he outlines??

Quizzing incoming immigrants on their tolerance for gay rights and women's rights??

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82422 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:40:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82422 the really tricky part about immigration vis a vis the 14th is that it may not apply to those abroad, because it refers twice to residents, "within its jurisdiction." the really tricky part about immigration vis a vis the 14th is that it may not apply to those abroad, because it refers twice to residents, "within its jurisdiction."

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82421 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:37:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82421 i don't want terrorists of ANY kind. islamists are a small minority; many muslims don't even consider them muslims. even <b>calling</b> islamists muslims is a bit of a slur. <i>And limiting immigration to immigrants that are thoroughly vetted would have no bearing on the establishment clause..</i> if donald's own word were what you just said, then you'd have a valid point. however, as you are wont to say, they weren't, so you don't. <i>Your argument would be better suited if you quoted the 14th Amendment rather than the 1st Amendment..</i> the 14th is about equal treatment under law. that one actually does concern citizenship, but is too widely applied already. the 14th amendment is the pretext for citizens united granting corporations and unions the free speech rights of real persons. JL i don't want terrorists of ANY kind. islamists are a small minority; many muslims don't even consider them muslims. even calling islamists muslims is a bit of a slur.

And limiting immigration to immigrants that are thoroughly vetted would have no bearing on the establishment clause..

if donald's own word were what you just said, then you'd have a valid point. however, as you are wont to say, they weren't, so you don't.

Your argument would be better suited if you quoted the 14th Amendment rather than the 1st Amendment..

the 14th is about equal treatment under law. that one actually does concern citizenship, but is too widely applied already. the 14th amendment is the pretext for citizens united granting corporations and unions the free speech rights of real persons.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82419 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:48:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82419 <I>ok. First Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ~US Constitution nothing whatsoever about it applying only to citizens.</I> Allow me to throw you a bone.. Your argument would be better suited if you quoted the 14th Amendment rather than the 1st Amendment.. Yer welcome.. :D Michale ok.

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
~US Constitution

nothing whatsoever about it applying only to citizens.

Allow me to throw you a bone..

Your argument would be better suited if you quoted the 14th Amendment rather than the 1st Amendment..

Yer welcome.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82418 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:33:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82418 Regardless, even if there WERE a Constitutional issue with increased vetting of muslim immigrants, the simple fact is that the US Constitution is not a suicide pact.. If those who practice a certain religion are a threat to the safety and security of Americans, then they can be scrutinized further and banned from entering the United States if such scrutiny brings to light evidence that they are a threat.. Do you WANT muslim terrorists in the US??? Of course you don't.... What sane person would!?? Michale Regardless, even if there WERE a Constitutional issue with increased vetting of muslim immigrants, the simple fact is that the US Constitution is not a suicide pact..

If those who practice a certain religion are a threat to the safety and security of Americans, then they can be scrutinized further and banned from entering the United States if such scrutiny brings to light evidence that they are a threat..

Do you WANT muslim terrorists in the US???

Of course you don't....

What sane person would!??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82417 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:27:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82417 <I>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ~US Constitution</I> And limiting immigration to immigrants that are thoroughly vetted would have no bearing on the establishment clause.. Michale Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
~US Constitution

And limiting immigration to immigrants that are thoroughly vetted would have no bearing on the establishment clause..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82416 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:23:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82416 <i>Give me the exact wording..</i> ok. <b>First Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ~US Constitution</b> nothing whatsoever about it applying only to citizens. Give me the exact wording..

ok.

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
~US Constitution

nothing whatsoever about it applying only to citizens.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82415 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:07:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82415 <I>first amendment. policy allowing an entire worldwide class of people to be banned from the country based only on their religion is a "law respecting establishment of religion."</I> Give me the exact wording.. Because A> the banning is taking place on foreign soil.. and 2> The people being banned are NOT American citizens and therefore the Constitution doesn't apply... <I>now you're moving the goalposts. again. </I> No, the goal posts have ALWAYS been at religion based immigration.. Whether you want to call it a ban or whatever, that is what the issue is.. And the US has ALWAYS had laws that allowed for religion based immigration.. Michale first amendment. policy allowing an entire worldwide class of people to be banned from the country based only on their religion is a "law respecting establishment of religion."

Give me the exact wording..

Because A> the banning is taking place on foreign soil..

and

2> The people being banned are NOT American citizens and therefore the Constitution doesn't apply...

now you're moving the goalposts. again.

No, the goal posts have ALWAYS been at religion based immigration..

Whether you want to call it a ban or whatever, that is what the issue is..

And the US has ALWAYS had laws that allowed for religion based immigration..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82411 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:17:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82411 <i>But where in the Constitution does it say it's not allowed??</i> first amendment. policy allowing an entire worldwide class of people to be banned from the country based only on their religion is a "law respecting establishment of religion." <i>Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion...</i> now you're moving the goalposts. again. that's allowing extra immigration, again from a specific place, due to compassion for a legitimately oppressed minority (factual), not allowing less immigration from everywhere on the globe due to baseless fear of an entire religion (a fictional depiction of all muslims as possible extremists). https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving_the_Goalposts But where in the Constitution does it say it's not allowed??

first amendment. policy allowing an entire worldwide class of people to be banned from the country based only on their religion is a "law respecting establishment of religion."

Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion...

now you're moving the goalposts. again. that's allowing extra immigration, again from a specific place, due to compassion for a legitimately oppressed minority (factual), not allowing less immigration from everywhere on the globe due to baseless fear of an entire religion (a fictional depiction of all muslims as possible extremists).

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving_the_Goalposts

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82395 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:42:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82395 <I>A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.</I> And yet, the Obama Administration has in place a de-facto ban on christians immigrating to the US.. So what you are REALLY saying is that a ban on a religion or ethnicity that are firmly in the Demcorat camp is horrific.. A ban on religion or ethnicity that DOESN'T support the Demcorat Party is perfectly acceptable.. :^/ Michale... A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.

And yet, the Obama Administration has in place a de-facto ban on christians immigrating to the US..

So what you are REALLY saying is that a ban on a religion or ethnicity that are firmly in the Demcorat camp is horrific..

A ban on religion or ethnicity that DOESN'T support the Demcorat Party is perfectly acceptable..

:^/

Michale...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82391 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:05:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82391 <I> A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.</I> And yet.... <B>Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion... Immigration based on religion is codified in US laws..</B> Michale A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.

And yet....

Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion...

Immigration based on religion is codified in US laws..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82390 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:03:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82390 <I>A ban on a country is permissible. A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.</I> That's your opinion... But where in the Constitution does it say it's not allowed?? Michale A ban on a country is permissible. A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific.

That's your opinion...

But where in the Constitution does it say it's not allowed??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82384 Michale Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:52:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82384 <I>Christians and atheists from Iraq were also not permitted, because the country not the religion was the salient factor.</I> Actually, at the time, Christians were still being allowed to immigrate from Iraq.. The ban only applied to muslims.. Michale Christians and atheists from Iraq were also not permitted, because the country not the religion was the salient factor.

Actually, at the time, Christians were still being allowed to immigrate from Iraq..

The ban only applied to muslims..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82379 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:36:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82379 Also, at no time did Obama or hillary ban Muslims. That's an intentional misstatement of fact. Christians and atheists from Iraq were also not permitted, because the country not the religion was the salient factor. That is a small difference numerically but a big difference ethically. Also, at no time did Obama or hillary ban Muslims. That's an intentional misstatement of fact. Christians and atheists from Iraq were also not permitted, because the country not the religion was the salient factor. That is a small difference numerically but a big difference ethically.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82378 nypoet22 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:29:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82378 What you say he said, and what every apologist says he said, is not what he said. Title 18 does not overrule the constitution. A ban on a country is permissible. A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific. Shall we bring back segregation as well? What you say he said, and what every apologist says he said, is not what he said.

Title 18 does not overrule the constitution. A ban on a country is permissible. A ban on a religion or ethnicity is horrific. Shall we bring back segregation as well?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82334 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:00:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82334 <B>“Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”</B> US Code, Title 18, Section 1182 Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion... Immigration based on religion is codified in US laws.. The POTUS has the right, some would say the OBLIGATION to ban immigration of any group he deems detrimental to the peace and security of the United States.. Just like Obama banned muslims from Iraq in 2011 So, please... Quit the bogus unconstitutional argument.. It doesn't hold water.. Michale “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
US Code, Title 18, Section 1182

Further, US Code and US Law also stipulates emergency immigration based on religion for those of faith who are being persecuted in their own lands. Immigration based on religion...

Immigration based on religion is codified in US laws..

The POTUS has the right, some would say the OBLIGATION to ban immigration of any group he deems detrimental to the peace and security of the United States.. Just like Obama banned muslims from Iraq in 2011

So, please... Quit the bogus unconstitutional argument..

It doesn't hold water..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82332 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:38:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82332 So, you agree that further screening of muslims coming in from terrorist prone countries is a worthwhile and viable method of immigration, right??? Welcome to Trump'ism.. :D <I>. the first amendment prevents us from restricting religion, </I> You are completely wrong there.. US Law allows for immigration based on religion.. Always has... Michale So, you agree that further screening of muslims coming in from terrorist prone countries is a worthwhile and viable method of immigration, right???

Welcome to Trump'ism.. :D

. the first amendment prevents us from restricting religion,

You are completely wrong there.. US Law allows for immigration based on religion..

Always has...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82331 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:36:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82331 <I>to clarify: if you said we need to temporarily ban people from iraq, iran and syria, and create a more thorough vetting process, i don't think anyone would have said boo.</I> That's EXACTLY what Trump said... Michale to clarify: if you said we need to temporarily ban people from iraq, iran and syria, and create a more thorough vetting process, i don't think anyone would have said boo.

That's EXACTLY what Trump said...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82326 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:17:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82326 to clarify: if you said we need to temporarily ban people from iraq, iran and syria, and create a more thorough vetting process, i don't think anyone would have said boo. i might have even agreed. but that's not what we're talking about. there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world, and most are not from countries that support terrorism. JL to clarify: if you said we need to temporarily ban people from iraq, iran and syria, and create a more thorough vetting process, i don't think anyone would have said boo. i might have even agreed. but that's not what we're talking about. there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world, and most are not from countries that support terrorism.

JL

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82325 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:09:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82325 <i>You totally miss the point.. Obama and Hillary banned muslims from immigrating to the US...You totally miss the point..</i> no, i got the point, it's just not a good or legitimate point. a country is a geopolitical entity. a religion is not. the first amendment prevents us from restricting religion, not from restricting a specific foreign country. country does not equal religion. JL You totally miss the point.. Obama and Hillary banned muslims from immigrating to the US...You totally miss the point..

no, i got the point, it's just not a good or legitimate point. a country is a geopolitical entity. a religion is not. the first amendment prevents us from restricting religion, not from restricting a specific foreign country. country does not equal religion.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82323 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:01:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82323 <I>now at least i know what you were TRYING to say. banning muslims from iraq implied that muslims would not be allowed to enter iraq, not the US, which makes no sense since iraq is entirely muslim and not our government's jurisdiction. </I> You totally miss the point.. Obama and Hillary banned muslims from immigrating to the US... It was a temporary ban, like Trump proposed... It's an exact equivelance... I am actually surprised that you won't concede it... Michale now at least i know what you were TRYING to say. banning muslims from iraq implied that muslims would not be allowed to enter iraq, not the US, which makes no sense since iraq is entirely muslim and not our government's jurisdiction.

You totally miss the point..

Obama and Hillary banned muslims from immigrating to the US...

It was a temporary ban, like Trump proposed...

It's an exact equivelance...

I am actually surprised that you won't concede it...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82319 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:38:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82319 @161, i read the article you linked, as well as the article IT linked, and the two did not match up factually either with each other nor with your claims that Obama and Hillary banned muslims from Iraq in 2011. now at least i know what you were TRYING to say. banning muslims from iraq implied that muslims would not be allowed to enter iraq, not the US, which makes no sense since iraq is entirely muslim and not our government's jurisdiction. what you meant was that following an attempted terrorist attack, obama stopped iraqui refugees from entering the US for six months. even allowing for your grammatical snafu, that's not even remotely equivalent. there was no religious litmus test for entry, it was a blanket ban on a country, due to a specific security concern associated with that specific country, for which there was ironclad evidence. that's like claiming equivalency between the olympics banning a single nation with a state-sponsored doping program, for a single olympics, and banning all nations who have ever had a single athlete accused of doping, for as many olympics as it takes until the problem of worldwide doping is fully investigated and understood. so yes, that is VERY different, and your claims of equivalency are in my opinion completely ridiculous. JL @161,

i read the article you linked, as well as the article IT linked, and the two did not match up factually either with each other nor with your claims that Obama and Hillary banned muslims from Iraq in 2011.

now at least i know what you were TRYING to say. banning muslims from iraq implied that muslims would not be allowed to enter iraq, not the US, which makes no sense since iraq is entirely muslim and not our government's jurisdiction. what you meant was that following an attempted terrorist attack, obama stopped iraqui refugees from entering the US for six months.

even allowing for your grammatical snafu, that's not even remotely equivalent. there was no religious litmus test for entry, it was a blanket ban on a country, due to a specific security concern associated with that specific country, for which there was ironclad evidence.

that's like claiming equivalency between the olympics banning a single nation with a state-sponsored doping program, for a single olympics, and banning all nations who have ever had a single athlete accused of doping, for as many olympics as it takes until the problem of worldwide doping is fully investigated and understood.

so yes, that is VERY different, and your claims of equivalency are in my opinion completely ridiculous.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82313 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:54:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82313 CW, OK, the NNL filters don't like www and conservativereview and com when it's all together with dots between the,,, Just FYI Michale CW,

OK, the NNL filters don't like www and conservativereview and com when it's all together with dots between the,,,

Just FYI

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82311 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:52:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82311 Wierd... commentary the-obama-clinton-ban-on-muslims Michale Wierd...

commentary the-obama-clinton-ban-on-muslims

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82310 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:52:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82310 More testing conservativereview Michale More testing

conservativereview

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82308 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:51:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82308 Just testing.. conservative Michale Just testing..

conservative

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82307 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:50:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82307 Review Michale Review

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82306 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:50:18 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82306 If you acknowledge the proof, I'll be only mildly surprised.. :D <B>Obama & Clinton Banned Iraqi Refugees in 2011 for 6 Months! Posted on June 14, 2016 Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.</B> http://tinyurl.com/z4ojxgq Michale If you acknowledge the proof, I'll be only mildly surprised.. :D

Obama & Clinton Banned Iraqi Refugees in 2011 for 6 Months!
Posted on June 14, 2016

Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.
http://tinyurl.com/z4ojxgq

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82305 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:45:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82305 If you acknowledge the proof, I'll be only mildly surprised.. :D <B>Obama & Clinton Banned Iraqi Refugees in 2011 for 6 Months! Posted on June 14, 2016 Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.</B> https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/06/the-obama-clinton-ban-on-muslims Michale If you acknowledge the proof, I'll be only mildly surprised.. :D

Obama & Clinton Banned Iraqi Refugees in 2011 for 6 Months!
Posted on June 14, 2016

Although the Obama administration currently refuses to temporarily pause its Syrian refugee resettlement program in the United States, the State Department in 2011 stopped processing Iraq refugee requests for six months after the Federal Bureau of Investigation uncovered evidence that several dozen terrorists from Iraq had infiltrated the United States via the refugee program.
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/06/the-obama-clinton-ban-on-muslims

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82302 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:17:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82302 <i>I am not CLAIMING it.. It's a bona fide fact...</i> if you actually have proof of this, i'll be shocked. I am not CLAIMING it.. It's a bona fide fact...

if you actually have proof of this, i'll be shocked.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82301 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:16:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82301 <B>President Obama, under fire for golfing on posh Martha's Vineyard during a week of anguished cries for help from flooded Louisiana, ripped former President Bush 11 years ago when the Republican was seen as slow to react to Hurricane Katrina's crash into New Orleans. </B> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-obama-ripped-bushs-unconscionable-ineptitude-during-hurricane-katrina/article/2599641 Our Hypocrite-In-Chief President Obama, under fire for golfing on posh Martha's Vineyard during a week of anguished cries for help from flooded Louisiana, ripped former President Bush 11 years ago when the Republican was seen as slow to react to Hurricane Katrina's crash into New Orleans.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-obama-ripped-bushs-unconscionable-ineptitude-during-hurricane-katrina/article/2599641

Our Hypocrite-In-Chief

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82298 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:04:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82298 <I>huh? how is that even possible? i think you may need to change your nonsense filter. iraq is 99.2% muslim. are you claiming that obama and hillary tried to ban the entire population?</I> I am not CLAIMING it.. It's a bona fide fact... In the aftermath of 2 Iraqi immigrants being found to be working for Al Qaeda, Obama and Hillary banned ALL muslim immigrants from Iraq.... Funny how it's EXACTLY what you accuse Trump of doing.. But I guess it's OK when someone with a -D after their name does the banning... :^/ Banning!??? My dad was born in Banning!! :D Michale huh? how is that even possible? i think you may need to change your nonsense filter. iraq is 99.2% muslim. are you claiming that obama and hillary tried to ban the entire population?

I am not CLAIMING it.. It's a bona fide fact...

In the aftermath of 2 Iraqi immigrants being found to be working for Al Qaeda, Obama and Hillary banned ALL muslim immigrants from Iraq....

Funny how it's EXACTLY what you accuse Trump of doing..

But I guess it's OK when someone with a -D after their name does the banning... :^/

Banning!??? My dad was born in Banning!! :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82294 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:28:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82294 <i>I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011....</i> huh? how is that even possible? i think you may need to change your nonsense filter. iraq is 99.2% muslim. are you claiming that obama and hillary tried to ban the entire population? JL I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011....

huh? how is that even possible? i think you may need to change your nonsense filter. iraq is 99.2% muslim. are you claiming that obama and hillary tried to ban the entire population?

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82289 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:26:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82289 The Left Wingery (and all of Weigantia) savaged Bush for doing nothing but a fly-over in the aftermath of Katrina... http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/theadvocate.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/d5/bd531ae8-3a67-5619-915b-a031247f0057/57b254baf13f0.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C777 Louisiana is hit once again and Obama can't bear to leave his precious golf course... Once again proving the hypocrisy of the Demcorat Party and Weigantians... :^/ Michale The Left Wingery (and all of Weigantia) savaged Bush for doing nothing but a fly-over in the aftermath of Katrina...

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/theadvocate.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/d5/bd531ae8-3a67-5619-915b-a031247f0057/57b254baf13f0.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C777

Louisiana is hit once again and Obama can't bear to leave his precious golf course...

Once again proving the hypocrisy of the Demcorat Party and Weigantians... :^/

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82287 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:17:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82287 <I>I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011....</I> Here, let me help you.. <B>"Well... That's different"...</B> :D Always willing to help out a buddy... :D Michale I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011....

Here, let me help you..

"Well... That's different"...

:D Always willing to help out a buddy... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82286 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:14:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82286 I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011.... How is that any different than what Trump stated??? Answer: There is no difference other than Trump has a -R after his name and Obama and Hillary have a -D after their names.. Michale I am also constrained to point out that Obama and Hillary "banned" muslims from Iraq in 2011....

How is that any different than what Trump stated???

Answer: There is no difference other than Trump has a -R after his name and Obama and Hillary have a -D after their names..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82285 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:01:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82285 And if the roles were reversed, and Kubla was speaking against Hillary, everyone here (sans you, of course) would be making the exact same arguments against Kahn that I have been making... Michale And if the roles were reversed, and Kubla was speaking against Hillary, everyone here (sans you, of course) would be making the exact same arguments against Kahn that I have been making...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82284 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:51:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82284 But Kudos, JL.. At least you are discussing it and making an argument.. That puts ya head and shoulders above everyone else.. :D Michale But Kudos, JL..

At least you are discussing it and making an argument.. That puts ya head and shoulders above everyone else.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82283 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:50:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82283 <I>. Donald proposed a ban on Muslims, perhaps temporary but with no clearly defined end.</I> Sure there was a clearly defined end.. When our leaders can competently address the terrorism issue.. <I>Calling that a ban is neither inaccurate nor dishonest nor disingenuous, and right now the only one trying to redefine"is" would be you.</I> Nope.. As I said, the prick Kahn said he and his family wouldn't have been able to immigrate to the US if Trump had been President is a flat out lie... <I>Clinton's vote in Congress to authorize bush to use force isn't a modicum of responsibility, it's a rhetorical dodge.</I> Nope.. It's you who is dodging Clinton's responsibility. You want to pin the blame on Bush and the GOP while ignoring that Clinton and the Demcorats share responsibility.. <I>Khizr Khan, whose name you seem unable to refrain from intentionally writing incorrectly</I> Ya picked up on that, eh?? :D He is not worthy of respect, ergo he is not worthy of me expending any effort to learn his name.. <I> feels disrespected by Donald's proposed ban on Muslims </I> feels disrespected by Donald's proposed <B>TEMPORARY</B> ban on Muslims There.. Fixed it for you.. I don't give a rats ass if Kubla Kahn feels "disrespected".. If he wants respect, then he needs to BE respectful.. He was not. He was using the honorable memory of his hero son to further his own monetary agenda and his own support of Sharia... <I>and not by hillary's vote to allow George bush to start a war for which he had no exit plan. </I> EXACTLY... It's all based on his Party ideology, not on any real facts.. <I> Khan is entitled to that opinion. </I> Yes, he is entitled to that opinion, regardless of whether it is based on lies and his own greed.. No one is disputing that... Michale . Donald proposed a ban on Muslims, perhaps temporary but with no clearly defined end.

Sure there was a clearly defined end..

When our leaders can competently address the terrorism issue..

Calling that a ban is neither inaccurate nor dishonest nor disingenuous, and right now the only one trying to redefine"is" would be you.

Nope.. As I said, the prick Kahn said he and his family wouldn't have been able to immigrate to the US if Trump had been President is a flat out lie...

Clinton's vote in Congress to authorize bush to use force isn't a modicum of responsibility, it's a rhetorical dodge.

Nope.. It's you who is dodging Clinton's responsibility. You want to pin the blame on Bush and the GOP while ignoring that Clinton and the Demcorats share responsibility..

Khizr Khan, whose name you seem unable to refrain from intentionally writing incorrectly

Ya picked up on that, eh?? :D He is not worthy of respect, ergo he is not worthy of me expending any effort to learn his name..

feels disrespected by Donald's proposed ban on Muslims

feels disrespected by Donald's proposed TEMPORARY ban on Muslims

There.. Fixed it for you..

I don't give a rats ass if Kubla Kahn feels "disrespected".. If he wants respect, then he needs to BE respectful.. He was not. He was using the honorable memory of his hero son to further his own monetary agenda and his own support of Sharia...

and not by hillary's vote to allow George bush to start a war for which he had no exit plan.

EXACTLY... It's all based on his Party ideology, not on any real facts..

Khan is entitled to that opinion.

Yes, he is entitled to that opinion, regardless of whether it is based on lies and his own greed..

No one is disputing that...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82282 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:44:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82282 Michale, i don't have time now to dissect every one of the numerous faults in your argument, but i think you're flat wrong on all counts. Donald proposed a ban on Muslims, perhaps temporary but with no clearly defined end. Calling that a ban is neither inaccurate nor dishonest nor disingenuous, and right now the only one trying to redefine"is" would be you. Clinton's vote in Congress to authorize bush to use force isn't a modicum of responsibility, it's a rhetorical dodge. Khizr Khan, whose name you seem unable to refrain from intentionally writing incorrectly, feels disrespected by Donald's proposed ban on Muslims and not by hillary's vote to allow George bush to start a war for which he had no exit plan. Khan is entitled to that opinion. You are not entitled to call that opinion a lie, because it isn't one. JL Michale, i don't have time now to dissect every one of the numerous faults in your argument, but i think you're flat wrong on all counts. Donald proposed a ban on Muslims, perhaps temporary but with no clearly defined end. Calling that a ban is neither inaccurate nor dishonest nor disingenuous, and right now the only one trying to redefine"is" would be you.

Clinton's vote in Congress to authorize bush to use force isn't a modicum of responsibility, it's a rhetorical dodge. Khizr Khan, whose name you seem unable to refrain from intentionally writing incorrectly, feels disrespected by Donald's proposed ban on Muslims and not by hillary's vote to allow George bush to start a war for which he had no exit plan. Khan is entitled to that opinion. You are not entitled to call that opinion a lie, because it isn't one.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82281 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:41:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82281 <I>Did you read about Trump's immigration policies?? You have a problem with any of those???</I> BESIDES the fact that they are Trump policies... I mean, that's a given... :D Michale Did you read about Trump's immigration policies??

You have a problem with any of those???

BESIDES the fact that they are Trump policies... I mean, that's a given... :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82280 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:37:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82280 Trump's "ban" on immigration is simply a call to more accurately scrutinize immigrants from those countries where terrorism is a problem.. No one in their right mind or without a politically correct agenda would have a problem with that... Did you read about Trump's immigration policies?? You have a problem with any of those??? Michale Trump's "ban" on immigration is simply a call to more accurately scrutinize immigrants from those countries where terrorism is a problem..

No one in their right mind or without a politically correct agenda would have a problem with that...

Did you read about Trump's immigration policies??

You have a problem with any of those???

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82279 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:34:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82279 <I>a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie.</I> Kahless Kahn said that if Trump had been President, Kahn and his family would not have been able to immigrate to the US because of Trump's "ban" on Muslims.. That was a lie.. Michale a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie.

Kahless Kahn said that if Trump had been President, Kahn and his family would not have been able to immigrate to the US because of Trump's "ban" on Muslims..

That was a lie..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82278 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:20:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82278 <I>i guess the khans don't hold hillary personally responsible. </I> Of course not.. Kizinti Kahn makes money by supporting Hillary and Hillary's agenda... <I>donald has never been a part of government at any level, and has therefore never had a chance to make that kind of mistake, much less learn from it.</I> And Hillary MADE the mistake and didn't learn from it.. Hence, Benghazi... But at least we agree that Hillary DOES share a modicum of responsibility.. <I>a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie.</I> Not to a Party who epitomizes arguing what the definition of 'is' is.... At BEST, it's disingenuous and dishonest.. Something else the Demcorat Party epitomizes.. Michale i guess the khans don't hold hillary personally responsible.

Of course not.. Kizinti Kahn makes money by supporting Hillary and Hillary's agenda...

donald has never been a part of government at any level, and has therefore never had a chance to make that kind of mistake, much less learn from it.

And Hillary MADE the mistake and didn't learn from it.. Hence, Benghazi...

But at least we agree that Hillary DOES share a modicum of responsibility..

a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie.

Not to a Party who epitomizes arguing what the definition of 'is' is....

At BEST, it's disingenuous and dishonest..

Something else the Demcorat Party epitomizes..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82277 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:14:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82277 a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie. a temporary ban is still a ban. still not a lie.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82276 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:13:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82276 <i>Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized...In other words, Hillary and the Demcorats are a LOT more responsible for Captain Khan's death than Donald Trump is..</i> i guess the khans don't hold hillary personally responsible. they didn't mention george w. bush either. donald has never been a part of government at any level, and has therefore never had a chance to make that kind of mistake, much less learn from it. JL Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized...In other words, Hillary and the Demcorats are a LOT more responsible for Captain Khan's death than Donald Trump is..

i guess the khans don't hold hillary personally responsible. they didn't mention george w. bush either. donald has never been a part of government at any level, and has therefore never had a chance to make that kind of mistake, much less learn from it.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82275 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:09:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82275 <I>if, as you say, you want to debate the exact meaning of "total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US," </I> Of course, if you actually FINISH the quote, you discover the REAL and FACTUAL meaning.. <B>..."until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on..."</B> I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with that.. The ONLY people who DO have a problem with that are terrorists, terrorists sympathizers and those pushing a Demcorat agenda of open borders... <I>, calling that statement a proposed ban on muslims is not factually inaccurate, and therefore not a lie</I> As I proven with your OWN link, it IS a lie.. Michale if, as you say, you want to debate the exact meaning of "total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US,"

Of course, if you actually FINISH the quote, you discover the REAL and FACTUAL meaning..

..."until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on..."

I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with that..

The ONLY people who DO have a problem with that are terrorists, terrorists sympathizers and those pushing a Demcorat agenda of open borders...

, calling that statement a proposed ban on muslims is not factually inaccurate, and therefore not a lie

As I proven with your OWN link, it IS a lie..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82274 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:00:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82274 <i>He said that Trump wanted to ban muslims. That is a lie. Trump said no such thing...</i> he absolutely said such a thing. https://youtu.be/viDffWUjcBA if, as you say, you want to debate the exact meaning of "total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US," then that's your prerogative. however, calling that statement a proposed ban on muslims is not factually inaccurate, and therefore not a lie. JL He said that Trump wanted to ban muslims.

That is a lie. Trump said no such thing...

he absolutely said such a thing.

https://youtu.be/viDffWUjcBA

if, as you say, you want to debate the exact meaning of "total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US," then that's your prerogative. however, calling that statement a proposed ban on muslims is not factually inaccurate, and therefore not a lie.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82272 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:45:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82272 <I>Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized...</I> In other words, Hillary and the Demcorats are a LOT more responsible for Captain Khan's death than Donald Trump is.. <B>"But you already knew that... That's what I like about you. Yer attention to detail.."</B> -Ace Ventura :D Michale.... Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized...

In other words, Hillary and the Demcorats are a LOT more responsible for Captain Khan's death than Donald Trump is..

"But you already knew that... That's what I like about you. Yer attention to detail.."
-Ace Ventura

:D

Michale....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82267 Michale Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:33:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82267 <I>2. humayun khan died in 2004. what exactly did hillary clinton have to do with that? did she time-travel?</I> Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized... <I>3. khizr khan did not lie, he shared his opinion. i've read it three times and there's nothing factually inaccurate in the speech.</I> He said that Trump wanted to ban muslims. That is a lie. Trump said no such thing... Michale 2. humayun khan died in 2004. what exactly did hillary clinton have to do with that? did she time-travel?

Captain Khan died in a war that Hillary and the Democrats authorized...

3. khizr khan did not lie, he shared his opinion. i've read it three times and there's nothing factually inaccurate in the speech.

He said that Trump wanted to ban muslims.

That is a lie. Trump said no such thing...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82260 nypoet22 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:33:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82260 @136-138, 1. who on earth is mitziri? 2. humayun khan died in 2004. what exactly did hillary clinton have to do with that? did she time-travel? 3. khizr khan did not lie, he shared his opinion. i've read it three times and there's nothing factually inaccurate in the speech. @136-138,

1. who on earth is mitziri?

2. humayun khan died in 2004. what exactly did hillary clinton have to do with that? did she time-travel?

3. khizr khan did not lie, he shared his opinion. i've read it three times and there's nothing factually inaccurate in the speech.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82253 Michale Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:19:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82253 AND I am constrained to point out that Trump had NOTHING to do with Mitziri Kahn's son's death.. But Hillary did.. Funny how no one wants to talk about that, eh?? Michale AND I am constrained to point out that Trump had NOTHING to do with Mitziri Kahn's son's death..

But Hillary did..

Funny how no one wants to talk about that, eh??

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82252 Michale Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:16:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82252 And lets be clear about one point.. Masiri Kahn attacked Trump.. With lies and BS.... Michale And lets be clear about one point..

Masiri Kahn attacked Trump.. With lies and BS....

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82250 Michale Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:49:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82250 <I>and there's no evidence that khizr khan was anything other than a good father.</I> Other than the fact that he would use his dead son to push a partisan agenda and lie about another American.. <I> if captain khan had ever spoken ill of his family, i would think that those he served with would not be so quick to defend them.</I> Good point.. Michale and there's no evidence that khizr khan was anything other than a good father.

Other than the fact that he would use his dead son to push a partisan agenda and lie about another American..

if captain khan had ever spoken ill of his family, i would think that those he served with would not be so quick to defend them.

Good point..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82249 nypoet22 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:36:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82249 <i>how would you KNOW what Captain Khan would say?? He might agree whole-heartedly that his father is a moron and a prick...</i> no one can say with 100% certainty that any son will love his father, but most do. and there's no evidence that khizr khan was anything other than a good father. further, others who served alongside humayun khan, including his CO, have supported his family and condemned donald's words against them. if captain khan had ever spoken ill of his family, i would think that those he served with would not be so quick to defend them. JL how would you KNOW what Captain Khan would say?? He might agree whole-heartedly that his father is a moron and a prick...

no one can say with 100% certainty that any son will love his father, but most do. and there's no evidence that khizr khan was anything other than a good father. further, others who served alongside humayun khan, including his CO, have supported his family and condemned donald's words against them. if captain khan had ever spoken ill of his family, i would think that those he served with would not be so quick to defend them.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82246 Michale Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:39:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82246 <I>neither half of that statement is entirely accurate. mccain, in an interview, said that donald had "fired up the crazies." that's not the same as calling every single attendee crazy</I> Close enough.. <I>if captain khan were alive and could speak, do you seriously believe he would agree on that count? i don't.</I> As has been WELL ESTABLISHED (HuffingtonPost Circa 2005) when family members are involved, all logic goes out the window.. Irregardless of that, Captain Kahn's agreement or disgreement of the statement doesn't change the validity of the statement... Saying Liz Cheney's father is a war-mongering evil Darth Vader is not an attack on Liz Cheney, regardless of how Liz Cheney feels about it.. Regardless of THAT, how would you KNOW what Captain Khan would say?? He might agree whole-heartedly that his father is a moron and a prick... Michale neither half of that statement is entirely accurate. mccain, in an interview, said that donald had "fired up the crazies." that's not the same as calling every single attendee crazy

Close enough..

if captain khan were alive and could speak, do you seriously believe he would agree on that count? i don't.

As has been WELL ESTABLISHED (HuffingtonPost Circa 2005) when family members are involved, all logic goes out the window..

Irregardless of that, Captain Kahn's agreement or disgreement of the statement doesn't change the validity of the statement...

Saying Liz Cheney's father is a war-mongering evil Darth Vader is not an attack on Liz Cheney, regardless of how Liz Cheney feels about it..

Regardless of THAT, how would you KNOW what Captain Khan would say?? He might agree whole-heartedly that his father is a moron and a prick...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82236 nypoet22 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:22:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82236 <i>Benghazi...'nuff said...</i> every time we THINK there's been enough said, someone else convenes yet another committee, conducts yet another investigation, and spends millions more dollars to discover that there's STILL no evidence to back up the right-wing contention that what happened there was somehow hillary's fault. <i>Saying that Captain Khan's father is a moron and a prick is not saying anything bad about Captain Khan....</i> if captain khan were alive and could speak, do you seriously believe he would agree on that count? i don't. JL Benghazi...'nuff said...

every time we THINK there's been enough said, someone else convenes yet another committee, conducts yet another investigation, and spends millions more dollars to discover that there's STILL no evidence to back up the right-wing contention that what happened there was somehow hillary's fault.

Saying that Captain Khan's father is a moron and a prick is not saying anything bad about Captain Khan....

if captain khan were alive and could speak, do you seriously believe he would agree on that count? i don't.

JL

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82235 nypoet22 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:13:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82235 <i>Trump said "I like people who weren't captured" after McCain said that 15,000 Americans were "crazy"....</i> neither half of that statement is entirely accurate. mccain, in an interview, said that donald had "fired up the crazies." that's not the same as calling every single attendee crazy. mccain later said that he hadn't meant it as an insult. i don't know whether or not i believe that, but if donald wants the public to give his own "jokes" the benefit of the doubt, he should be a little more tolerant of such comments when he's the recipient. http://www.thewrap.com/john-mccain-says-calling-donald-trump-supporters-crazies-is-a-term-of-endearment/ as to the claim donald made that mccain was "a hero because he was captured," we've already agreed that it was inaccurate, so the only remaining question is whether it was an error of ignorance, malice or both. JL Trump said "I like people who weren't captured" after McCain said that 15,000 Americans were "crazy"....

neither half of that statement is entirely accurate. mccain, in an interview, said that donald had "fired up the crazies." that's not the same as calling every single attendee crazy. mccain later said that he hadn't meant it as an insult. i don't know whether or not i believe that, but if donald wants the public to give his own "jokes" the benefit of the doubt, he should be a little more tolerant of such comments when he's the recipient.

http://www.thewrap.com/john-mccain-says-calling-donald-trump-supporters-crazies-is-a-term-of-endearment/

as to the claim donald made that mccain was "a hero because he was captured," we've already agreed that it was inaccurate, so the only remaining question is whether it was an error of ignorance, malice or both.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82214 Michale Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:57:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82214 If ya'all are feeling too beat up over Trump... <B>After $300 Million Loss, Another Major Insurer Pulls Out of Obamacare How can President Obama and Hillary Clinton believe a "public option" will be more economical and better run than private insurance?</B> http://www.weeklystandard.com/after-300-million-loss-another-major-insurer-pulls-out-of-obamacare/article/2003852 We can always talk about the death spiral that TrainWreckCare AKA CRAP CARE is in.. :D Michale If ya'all are feeling too beat up over Trump...

After $300 Million Loss, Another Major Insurer Pulls Out of Obamacare
How can President Obama and Hillary Clinton believe a "public option" will be more economical and better run than private insurance?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/after-300-million-loss-another-major-insurer-pulls-out-of-obamacare/article/2003852

We can always talk about the death spiral that TrainWreckCare AKA CRAP CARE is in.. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82194 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:07:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82194 http://sjfm.us/temp/umbrellas.jpg That says it all about Hillary's (O)BLM morons... :^/ Michale http://sjfm.us/temp/umbrellas.jpg

That says it all about Hillary's (O)BLM morons... :^/

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82189 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:02:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82189 <I>and mccain?</I> Trump said <B>"I like people who weren't captured"</B> after McCain said that 15,000 Americans were "crazy".... If McCain is going to be such an asshat, I don't have a problem with Trump treating him like an asshat, McCain's service to this country notwithstanding.. John Kerry served his country.. John Kerry then turned around and shit on his country... John Kerry is an asshat, his service to this country notwithstanding... Same concept... Michale and mccain?

Trump said "I like people who weren't captured" after McCain said that 15,000 Americans were "crazy"....

If McCain is going to be such an asshat, I don't have a problem with Trump treating him like an asshat, McCain's service to this country notwithstanding..

John Kerry served his country.. John Kerry then turned around and shit on his country... John Kerry is an asshat, his service to this country notwithstanding...

Same concept...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82188 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:16:03 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82188 and mccain? and mccain?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82187 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:54:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82187 <I>Trump didn't say anything bad about Humayun Khan...</I> Saying that Captain Khan's father is a moron and a prick is not saying anything bad about Captain Khan.... Just FYI... MIchale Trump didn't say anything bad about Humayun Khan...

Saying that Captain Khan's father is a moron and a prick is not saying anything bad about Captain Khan....

Just FYI...

MIchale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82186 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:47:42 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82186 <I>i think he needs a much greater appreciation of the sacrifices military people make. whether it's john mccain, humayun khan or whomever else, </I> Trump didn't say anything bad about Humayun Khan... You prove my point... It's nothing but partisan ideology at work.. Michale i think he needs a much greater appreciation of the sacrifices military people make. whether it's john mccain, humayun khan or whomever else,

Trump didn't say anything bad about Humayun Khan...

You prove my point... It's nothing but partisan ideology at work..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82185 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:45:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82185 <I>anyone who gives them orders should understand and respect their sacrifice .</I> Benghazi... 'nuff said... Michale anyone who gives them orders should understand and respect their sacrifice .

Benghazi...

'nuff said...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82184 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:08:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82184 being cinc means you need to order people to fight and possibly die. if donald is going to be president, i think he needs a much greater appreciation of the sacrifices military people make. whether it's john mccain, humayun khan or whomever else, anyone who gives them orders should understand and respect their sacrifice - not make off the cuff comments about who does or does not deserve to be called a hero. being cinc means you need to order people to fight and possibly die. if donald is going to be president, i think he needs a much greater appreciation of the sacrifices military people make. whether it's john mccain, humayun khan or whomever else, anyone who gives them orders should understand and respect their sacrifice - not make off the cuff comments about who does or does not deserve to be called a hero.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82183 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:49:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82183 Even if I allow you that everything you say about Trump vis a vis McCain's war record is 1000% dead on ballz factually accurate.... So what?? It has absolutely no bearing on Trump as POTUS... Michale Even if I allow you that everything you say about Trump vis a vis McCain's war record is 1000% dead on ballz factually accurate....

So what??

It has absolutely no bearing on Trump as POTUS...

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82182 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:47:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82182 <I>he insulted mccain's war record.</I> Actually, he didn't say ANYTHING about McCain's war record until the host brought it up.. Then, when the host DID bring it up, all Trump said is, "I like people who weren't captured"... Childish and petty to be sure.. Mocking, definitely.. But hardly an insult.. Even if it was an insult, it really has no bearing on anything relating to Trump's candidacy or competence... It's simply indicative of Trump's refreshing lack of politically correct attitude that endears Trump to the majority of Americans.. AND... And the Left Wingery has absolutely no moral foundation to criticize Trump for any of it, because THEY have insulted McCain far worse than anything Trump has said..... It's like criticizing Trump for his campaign lies and ignoring Hillary's lies of the last quarter of a decade... Michale he insulted mccain's war record.

Actually, he didn't say ANYTHING about McCain's war record until the host brought it up.. Then, when the host DID bring it up, all Trump said is, "I like people who weren't captured"...

Childish and petty to be sure.. Mocking, definitely.. But hardly an insult..

Even if it was an insult, it really has no bearing on anything relating to Trump's candidacy or competence... It's simply indicative of Trump's refreshing lack of politically correct attitude that endears Trump to the majority of Americans..

AND...

And the Left Wingery has absolutely no moral foundation to criticize Trump for any of it, because THEY have insulted McCain far worse than anything Trump has said.....

It's like criticizing Trump for his campaign lies and ignoring Hillary's lies of the last quarter of a decade...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82181 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:03:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82181 <i>We have gone back and forth on this so much, I am kinda lost on exactly what ya'all's beef is with Trump on this issue..</i> he insulted mccain's war record. look, there's a lot of criticism that john mccain rightly deserves, but being a war hero is not something people who don't know any better should try to take away from him. donald twice said that john mccain was a hero because he was captured. at best an ignorant comment deserving an apology, at worst an insult to all the POW's for whom mccain willingly submitted himself to five years of brutal torture. JL We have gone back and forth on this so much, I am kinda lost on exactly what ya'all's beef is with Trump on this issue..

he insulted mccain's war record.

look, there's a lot of criticism that john mccain rightly deserves, but being a war hero is not something people who don't know any better should try to take away from him. donald twice said that john mccain was a hero because he was captured. at best an ignorant comment deserving an apology, at worst an insult to all the POW's for whom mccain willingly submitted himself to five years of brutal torture.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82180 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:57:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82180 But, being the Cup Is Half Full kinda guy that I am... I am glad we can agree that McCain is not a war hero, just because he was captured. :D Michale But, being the Cup Is Half Full kinda guy that I am...

I am glad we can agree that McCain is not a war hero, just because he was captured. :D

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82178 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:35:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82178 Well, it was more Luntz interrupting Trump.. But... OK... What EXACTLY are you (and the Left Wingery) slamming Trump for vis a vis his statement about John McCain and war hero status.. We have gone back and forth on this so much, I am kinda lost on exactly what ya'all's beef is with Trump on this issue.. Michale Well, it was more Luntz interrupting Trump..

But... OK...

What EXACTLY are you (and the Left Wingery) slamming Trump for vis a vis his statement about John McCain and war hero status..

We have gone back and forth on this so much, I am kinda lost on exactly what ya'all's beef is with Trump on this issue..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82177 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:55:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82177 <i>"He's a war hero because he was captured" That's what the host said..</i> watch again, that's not what frank luntz said. luntz said, "he's a war hero, five and a half years in a Vietnamese prison camp," and donald cut him off. donald's the one who said, "He's a war hero because he was captured." luntz requested clarification and donald said it again. about the kindest spin i can give this is that maybe donald didn't really know why mccain was considered a war hero, and was speaking from ignorance. http://www.newsweek.com/sorry-trump-story-john-mccain-war-hero-355617 "He's a war hero because he was captured"

That's what the host said..

watch again, that's not what frank luntz said. luntz said, "he's a war hero, five and a half years in a Vietnamese prison camp," and donald cut him off.

donald's the one who said, "He's a war hero because he was captured." luntz requested clarification and donald said it again.

about the kindest spin i can give this is that maybe donald didn't really know why mccain was considered a war hero, and was speaking from ignorance.

http://www.newsweek.com/sorry-trump-story-john-mccain-war-hero-355617

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82175 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:36:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82175 So, basically the "war hero" issue is not an issue insofar as what Trump said... He was mocking McCain and calling McCain names and the Left jumped on that, even though the Left is guilty of calling McCain MUCH WORSE names and attacking McCain MUCH WORSE-edly. :D Trump is not politically correct.. THAT is why most Americans like him.. Michale So, basically the "war hero" issue is not an issue insofar as what Trump said...

He was mocking McCain and calling McCain names and the Left jumped on that, even though the Left is guilty of calling McCain MUCH WORSE names and attacking McCain MUCH WORSE-edly. :D

Trump is not politically correct..

THAT is why most Americans like him..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82173 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:30:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82173 <B>"John McCain, a war hero who was held in a POW camp for 5 years, you call him a dummy. Is that appropriate?"</B> That was the question.. And it goes back to my answer.. It's a non-sequitor question... What does being a POW have to do with being a dummy or not?? <B>"Trump is making my life miserable. They have 15,000 crazies"</B> -John McCain Now THAT's inappropriate... <B>"He's a war hero because he was captured"</B> That's what the host said.. And THAT is ridiculous.. McCain is NOT a war hero because he was captured... We have already established that.. So the host is a moron... Regardless, Trump THEN said, <B>"I like people who weren't captured"</B> How is that slamming McCain??? It was an off the cuff remark that was funny and people laughed.. So, my initial assessment is still valid, in my opinion.. Your opinion may be different, but thass OK.. :D Michale "John McCain, a war hero who was held in a POW camp for 5 years, you call him a dummy. Is that appropriate?"

That was the question..

And it goes back to my answer.. It's a non-sequitor question...

What does being a POW have to do with being a dummy or not??

"Trump is making my life miserable. They have 15,000 crazies"
-John McCain

Now THAT's inappropriate...

"He's a war hero because he was captured"

That's what the host said..

And THAT is ridiculous.. McCain is NOT a war hero because he was captured... We have already established that..

So the host is a moron...

Regardless, Trump THEN said, "I like people who weren't captured"

How is that slamming McCain???

It was an off the cuff remark that was funny and people laughed..

So, my initial assessment is still valid, in my opinion..

Your opinion may be different, but thass OK.. :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82171 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:05:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82171 <i>We'll just have to disagree on that. </i> there was nobody lefty being discussed at the time, it was all a criticism of mccain. that's not a matter of opinion. watch the full segment here: https://youtu.be/7k1ajHAeXMU i think you know i acknowledge those times when you're factually right about something. this is not one of those times, and the video proves that beyond all reasonable doubt. JL We'll just have to disagree on that.

there was nobody lefty being discussed at the time, it was all a criticism of mccain. that's not a matter of opinion. watch the full segment here:

https://youtu.be/7k1ajHAeXMU

i think you know i acknowledge those times when you're factually right about something. this is not one of those times, and the video proves that beyond all reasonable doubt.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82169 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:48:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82169 <I>no, he was mocking mccain for calling his supporters "crazies." there was absolutely no discussion of anybody lefty on the table at that moment.</I> We'll just have to disagree on that. :D <I><I mean, let's face reality here. not exactly your strong suit.</I> And yet, I have been right a HELLUVA more than I have been wrong.. :D Michale no, he was mocking mccain for calling his supporters "crazies." there was absolutely no discussion of anybody lefty on the table at that moment.

We'll just have to disagree on that. :D

<I mean, let's face reality here.

not exactly your strong suit.

And yet, I have been right a HELLUVA more than I have been wrong.. :D

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82168 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:36:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82168 <i>He was mocking the Left Wingery for saying that McCain is a war hero because he was captured..</i> no, he was mocking mccain for calling his supporters "crazies." there was absolutely no discussion of anybody lefty on the table at that moment. <i>I mean, let's face reality here.</i> not exactly your strong suit. JL He was mocking the Left Wingery for saying that McCain is a war hero because he was captured..

no, he was mocking mccain for calling his supporters "crazies." there was absolutely no discussion of anybody lefty on the table at that moment.

I mean, let's face reality here.

not exactly your strong suit.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82167 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:32:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82167 <I>"he's a war hero because he was captured." he said that exact phrase TWICE for emphasis,</I> He was saying what the Left Wingery was saying... He was mocking the Left Wingery for saying that McCain is a war hero because he was captured.. Michale "he's a war hero because he was captured." he said that exact phrase TWICE for emphasis,

He was saying what the Left Wingery was saying...

He was mocking the Left Wingery for saying that McCain is a war hero because he was captured..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82166 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:18:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82166 I mean, let's face reality here. Trump could say that water is wet and the sky is blue and the majority of the Left Wingery and some even of the Right Wingery would argue with that and spin it to make Trump into a liar... That's the reality of the Trump candidacy... Michale I mean, let's face reality here.

Trump could say that water is wet and the sky is blue and the majority of the Left Wingery and some even of the Right Wingery would argue with that and spin it to make Trump into a liar...

That's the reality of the Trump candidacy...

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82165 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:13:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82165 <i>Maybe that is how you are INTERPRETING it.... But that's not how I read it..</i> with all due respect, your reading strains credulity. donald said "he's a war hero because he was captured." he said that exact phrase TWICE for emphasis, with the clear implication that mccain does not deserve his war hero status. there is zero indication anywhere in the video segment that donald had ANY idea why mccain actually IS a war hero. JL Maybe that is how you are INTERPRETING it.... But that's not how I read it..

with all due respect, your reading strains credulity. donald said "he's a war hero because he was captured." he said that exact phrase TWICE for emphasis, with the clear implication that mccain does not deserve his war hero status. there is zero indication anywhere in the video segment that donald had ANY idea why mccain actually IS a war hero.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82164 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:06:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82164 <I>i agree with you that being captured is not grounds for hero status; mccain is a war hero for his actions after being captured. </I> I agree.. Especially since it's exactly what I said. :D <I>donald's criticism of mccain was absolutely the opposite of what you're claiming it was.</I> Maybe that is how you are INTERPRETING it.... But that's not how I read it.. Michale i agree with you that being captured is not grounds for hero status; mccain is a war hero for his actions after being captured.

I agree.. Especially since it's exactly what I said. :D

donald's criticism of mccain was absolutely the opposite of what you're claiming it was.

Maybe that is how you are INTERPRETING it.... But that's not how I read it..

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82163 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:04:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82163 <I>are you physically unable to tell the difference between those two statements?</I> Different words that amount to the same thing... So Trump is not the most loquacious speaker to come around the bend... Big whoop... The fact is ya'all are making a mountain out of a grain of sand, simply because it's Trump... The Left Wingery said LOTS of worse things about McCain, right?? So, it's nothing.... It's like TRUMP IS A RACIST or TRUMP WANTS TO BAN MUSLIMS... It's twisting or ignoring Trump's words just to make a partisan/ideological attack.. Michale Michale are you physically unable to tell the difference between those two statements?

Different words that amount to the same thing...

So Trump is not the most loquacious speaker to come around the bend... Big whoop...

The fact is ya'all are making a mountain out of a grain of sand, simply because it's Trump... The Left Wingery said LOTS of worse things about McCain, right??

So, it's nothing.... It's like TRUMP IS A RACIST or TRUMP WANTS TO BAN MUSLIMS... It's twisting or ignoring Trump's words just to make a partisan/ideological attack..

Michale

Michale

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82160 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:01:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82160 I am also constrained to point out that combat is not a Left Wingery sporting event nor is it a college campus.. There are no "participation trophies" and there are no "safe spaces"... Calling someone a "war hero" just because they were captured is ridiculous.. Michale I am also constrained to point out that combat is not a Left Wingery sporting event nor is it a college campus..

There are no "participation trophies" and there are no "safe spaces"...

Calling someone a "war hero" just because they were captured is ridiculous..

Michale

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82158 nypoet22 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:46:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82158 @michale, let's compare your statement and donald's statement: what donald says: <b>"He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."</b> what michale says: <b>McCain WASN'T a "war hero" because he was captured. He was a war hero for what he endured AFTER he was captured.</b> are you physically unable to tell the difference between those two statements? you've put words in donald's mouth that he didn't put there himself. donald was upset at mccain and criticized him unfairly. later donald walked back that criticism, but claiming he never made the criticism in the first place is both inaccurate and disingenuous. i agree with you that being captured is not grounds for hero status; mccain is a war hero for his actions after being captured. however, donald's criticism of mccain was absolutely the opposite of what you're claiming it was. JL @michale,

let's compare your statement and donald's statement:

what donald says:

"He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."

what michale says:

McCain WASN'T a "war hero" because he was captured. He was a war hero for what he endured AFTER he was captured.

are you physically unable to tell the difference between those two statements? you've put words in donald's mouth that he didn't put there himself. donald was upset at mccain and criticized him unfairly. later donald walked back that criticism, but claiming he never made the criticism in the first place is both inaccurate and disingenuous.

i agree with you that being captured is not grounds for hero status; mccain is a war hero for his actions after being captured. however, donald's criticism of mccain was absolutely the opposite of what you're claiming it was.

JL

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/08/12/ftp403/#comment-82156 Michale Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:53:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=12675#comment-82156 <I>That's crazy....</I> <B>"So let me get this straight. You want to slingshot around the sun, go back in time, hope we find some humpbacked whales, bring them FORWARD in time and hope that they tell this probe what to go do with itself." "That's the idea." "Well, that's crazy!!!"</B> -STAR TREK IV, The Voyage Home :D Michale That's crazy....

"So let me get this straight. You want to slingshot around the sun, go back in time, hope we find some humpbacked whales, bring them FORWARD in time and hope that they tell this probe what to go do with itself."
"That's the idea."
"Well, that's crazy!!!"
-STAR TREK IV, The Voyage Home

:D

Michale

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