Funny... :D

Michale

Funny... :D

Michale

My FACT is based on McCarthy and Trump's words...

In other words, it's your *OPINION* that McCarthy MEANT this or Trump MEANT that when they said what they said..

However, it's a *FACT* that neither Trump nor McCarthy SAID what you are accusing them of saying...

As per the norm, the *FACTS* are on my side...

Michale

Again, you go with the dishonest argument. When did I ever claim to support the Saudi government?

And, again, you go with the dishonest argument..
When did I ever say that you support the Saudi government??

Russia's laws are extremely anti-gay, but your boy Trump sure loves Putin!

And, again, you go with the dishonest argument.. There is absolutely NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support your accusation that Trump "sure loves Putin"...

Tell me, why would I support a party that has made it clear that they want to strip gay people of their rights and support pseudo "therapies" that result in people committing suicide?

And, once again, you go with the dishonest argument. I never claimed you should support any Party that does that..

YOU PROVED NONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT DID PROVE YOU HAVE NO GRASP ON REALITY WHEN IT COMES TO FACT/FICTION!

I proved ALL of those...

Do you have ANY facts to prove your accusation that Trump is racist?? No you do not..

You tried to explain what Trump and McCarthy were trying to say, which was based entirely on your own opinion. Your opinion isn't "fact"!

It wasn't an opinion. It was FACT..

YOUR'S is the opinion that McCarthy "meant" such and such...

My FACT is based on McCarthy and Trump's words...

Your failure to understand that makes me glad you are no longer a police officer!

Low blow, Russ.. I served with honor and retired..

Not that I expect you to acknowledge the facts.. You seem to have a problem with them..

Like what, wanting more justices on SCOTUS like Clarence Thomas -- one of the biggest defenders of unlimited outside money being allowed into our elections?

As opposed to Hillary and Obama, two of the BIGGEST USERS of unlimited outside money for our elections???

Your bigotry is showing...

Thomas is Trump's favorite member of the Supreme's. So how can you follow Trump who is lying to you every chance he gets?

Considering you support Hillary, you are the LAST person to try and make a moral case against Trump's lies.. You have absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION to do so..

Michale

Again, you go with the dishonest argument. When did I ever claim to support the Saudi government? Never have. Nor do I approve of any government's acts that are a violation of human rights, including our own government's! Russia's laws are extremely anti-gay, but your boy Trump sure loves Putin! You bash us for supporting the Democrats because they support thugs and countries that kill gays, so would I be better off supporting the Republicans like you do? Tell me, why would I support a party that has made it clear that they want to strip gay people of their rights and support pseudo "therapies" that result in people committing suicide? And do not try the bullshit, "I don't support the Republicans, only Trump", because that is, oh how did you put it,

"That's just a cop-out."

And then there is this:

You mean like ya'all do when I totally prove how wrong ya'all are..

I PROVED beyond any doubt that those claims were 1000% bullshit..

YOU PROVED NONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT DID PROVE YOU HAVE NO GRASP ON REALITY WHEN IT COMES TO FACT/FICTION!

You tried to explain what Trump and McCarthy were trying to say, which was based entirely on your own opinion. Your opinion isn't "fact"! Your failure to understand that makes me glad you are no longer a police officer!

You think Trump is against corporations ability to buy political power in this country, and that he would fix the problem? Like what, wanting more justices on SCOTUS like Clarence Thomas -- one of the biggest defenders of unlimited outside money being allowed into our elections? Thomas is Trump's favorite member of the Supreme's. So how can you follow Trump who is lying to you every chance he gets?

Found this from an article in the Atlantic from June:

Assessing the truthfulness of the 2016 candidates’ campaign statements, PolitiFact recently calculated that only 2 percent of the claims made by Trump are true, 7 percent are mostly true, 15 percent are half true, 15 percent are mostly false, 42 percent are false, and 18 percent are “pants on fire.” Adding up the last three numbers (from mostly false to flagrantly so), Trump scores 75 percent. The corresponding figures for Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Bernie Sanders, and Hillary Clinton, respectively, are 66, 32, 31, and 29 percent.

I was glad to see Kasich's numbers were that low -- it shows the GOP hasn't completely gone over to the dark side.

His psychosis will not allow him...

Apparently, we now know who has the psychosis and who does not??

:D heh

Michale

But, if Michale is true to form, your points will be ignored

You mean like ya'all do when I totally prove how wrong ya'all are..

Your claims that TRUMP is a racist.. Totally bogus claims that I *PROVED* ya wrong on..

Did you ignore that point??

Yes, ya'all did..

Your claim that Trump said he wants to ban all muslims. I TOTALLY proved ya'all were full of shit when ya'all made that claim..

Did ya'all ignore that point??

Yes.. Ya'all did..

Ya'all's claim that McCarthy stated unequivocally that the Benghazi hearings were meant to take down Hillary..

I PROVED beyond any doubt that those claims were 1000% bullshit..

Did ya'all ignore those points??

Yes. Ya'all did...

Once again. Ya'all make totally false accusations against me, that YA'ALL are guilty of...

I DON'T ignore points... That's ya'all's game.. Not mine.,.

Michale

Ya'all are the clique-ish Nicelanders, preening and prawning all over yerselves, patting yerselves on the back and congratulating yerselves how nice and tolerant ya'all are..

Of course, the Nicelanders are only "tolerant" of those who think exactly as they do.. Let some big guy who is completely agnostic to their way of thinking and what do they do?? They're shown to be completely and utterly bigoted to anyone but themselves..

The parallels are uncanny... :D

Life imitating art... :D

Michale

"Why is he here?"
"He's just here for a slice of cake."
"And, I'm a big part of the game technically speaking. Uh. Why are YOU here, Gene?"
-Wreck It Ralph

Michale

Actually, my purpose for posting here is to help out a friend..

Not that it is any of your business, I might add...

I simply ask ya'all to defend the indefensible.. Now, if that makes ya'all cranky and pissy, I don't give a rat's ass...

"Now if that's a source of tension or embarrassment for you, well, I don't give a shit. We're in the business of saving lives, Lieutenant Colonel Markinson. "
-Colonel Nathan R Jessup, A FEW GOOD MEN

If ya don't like having to defend the indefensible, the solution is simple..

QUIT DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE..

Duh...

Michale

Which perfectly indicates who has the "psychosis" and who does not.. :D

Michale

Allow me to illustrate my point..

Does anyone here support HAMAS???

Anyone???

Michale

I think what got you on this tear is the fact that I am right vis a vis ya'all's enslavement to Party...

Two points show this..

Ya'all's support of the Demcorat Party, even though they honor scumbags like Martin and Brown and jeer and boo during the moment of silence for fallen officers..

I mean, honestly..

The second point is ya'all's support of muslims and countries that execute gay people... But, once again, it's PARTY first and everything else takes a back seat.. Morality, integrity, principles..

Now, I know, I know.. You say you don't agree with EVERYTHING the Democrat Party stands for.. I get that.

But, seriously.. That's just a cop-out.

That's like saying, "I don't agree with everything Stalin does, but I support him completely"

So, blame me all you want. Attack me with dozens and dozens of posts..

It won't change the FACTS one iota..

Ya'all support a Party that is in bed with thugs and scumbags and countries that execute gay people..

Don't get pissy at me just because I expose ya'all's enslavement to Party dogma...

Michale

His psychosis will not allow him...

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?? :D

So, since I DID address the points and did NOT ignore the points, I guess you have to concede that there is no psychosis...

But I get it... None of ya'all can EVER concede when yer wrong... :D

Michale

Separate from whatever sort of human Michale is (if he IS human) --

See my comment above to Listen..

No matter HOW many personal attacks you make, I am not going anywhere...

Live with it...

Michale

Michael, it is YOU that refuses to address the reality of events more than anyone here.

As I said, you are projecting what ya'all do onto me..

On the one hand, ya'all bitch and moan that I post TOO much, but on the other hand, ya'all bitch and moan that I don't address anything..

Completely non-sequitor..

Your problem is that ya'all want a nice echo chamber where you can fawn over the Democrat Party with comments like "Ditto" and "uh-huh".. This was proven to be factual beyond ANY doubt when I gave ya'all a little vacation during the Demcorat Convention...

All this place was, was an echo chamber...

Nor is it relevant to the discussion at hand to anyone but you, because you would rather attack the individuals commenting than have a real political debate of ideas!

Again, read Paula's comment and then tell me that *I* am the one who is always attacking..

Again, your statement is nothing more than projecting what YA'ALL do onto me...

And while the level of mind-numbing cognitive dissonance it must require for you to stand behind the hogwash you expel might impress some people, it becomes tiresome very quickly.

And yet, here you are making more personal attacks....

I don't think it's becoming "tiresome" to ya'all. You and Paula et al are so desperate to shut me up that you spend HOURS making personal attacks on me..

How about addressing the ISSUES under discussion rather than attacking me, personally??

Let me give you a little bit of advice.. I am not going anywhere. No matter how many times you or Paula or JFC or Stig or anyone else calls me names or attacks me personally or any of that... It won't change a thing. I will always be here..

So, your choices are clear.. You can ignore me like everyone TRIES to do, but fails miserably... You can continue to attack me personally, which will result in hundreds of comments from me in my defense showing ya'all with facts and logic how exactly you are wrong... Or, you can actually address the facts and logic I bring up regarding issues that are in the here and now..

Obviously, the last option is the best for everyone concerned... But make no mistake..

I... AM... *NOT*... GOING... ANYWHERE...

No matter how much ya'all make EVERYTHING about me, no matter HOW many personal attacks or name-calling comments ya'all make... I am not going anywhere..

So, quit trying...

Michale

Uh.... :D

Turn the other cheek??? Oh, you mean that I don't bash everything that the Party stands for just because I do not agree with the opinions of some members on this topic!

Yet, you bash me and everything the GOP stands for..

You see my point??

Paula and I may not view the Trayvon Martin case the same way, we may completely disagree with the other's views on some aspects...but I never consider that to be an attack on me, personally!

And reads Paula's comment and tell me that it's not an attack on ME personally..

You see the point??

Michale

"But, if Michale is true to form, your points will be ignored and he will simply proceed to do, again, everything you have just admonished him for."

His psychosis will not allow him...

But, if Michale is true to form, your points will be ignored and he will simply proceed to do, again, everything you have just admonished him for.

I was at a party last night and conversation turned to Trump and friends of mine were lamenting the inability to even talk to Trump supporters and get any kind of coherent response. The my one friend said he'd fallen back on something his mother told him years ago: "You can never win an argument with a fool."

So he doesn't bother trying anymore -- and that's pretty much what happens with people vs. Michale -- you realize there's nothing to work with.

Separate from whatever sort of human Michale is (if he IS human) -- he may be decent, humorous and kind to animals, etc. his purpose for posting here is, I've concluded, simply to bait people. He gets attention and he gets off on what he thinks is scoring points. Contrary to any claims he might make, he's not interested in discussion or genuine debate. He's actually seems very Trumpy -- the more we learn about Trump. There was an article in The Guardian today talking about Trump's "psychological trap" created by his two most prominent dispositional qualities:

A central thesis in my argument was that two prominent dispositional traits define Donald Trump’s temperament: sky-high extraversion (suggesting emotional exuberance and social dominance) and rock-bottom agreeableness (suggesting a decided lack of empathy, caring, kindness and altruism). Especially rare among people seeking public office, this combustible combination produces a social actor who is explosive, threatening and unpredictable.

It goes on to talk about how Trump seems unable to regulate his responses, etc. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/05/donald-trump-psychology-personality-republicans-election

I think Michale is kind of like that.

Exactly. Scroll over it.

Yes, it does become tiresome very quickly.

"the level of mind-numbing cognitive dissonance it must require"

It's a chatbot.

It's what causes you to turn the other cheek when your Democrat Party honors scumbags and thugs like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown...

Turn the other cheek??? Oh, you mean that I don't bash everything that the Party stands for just because I do not agree with the opinions of some members on this topic! But one "turns the other cheek" only when one has been personally attacked or injured by another. This is where you and I differ greatly, apparently! Paula and I may not view the Trayvon Martin case the same way, we may completely disagree with the other's views on some aspects...but I never consider that to be an attack on me, personally! I don't feel the need to "turn the other cheek" because my cheeks are just fine!

I could....if maybe there was a pattern of my doing so that supported your claim. Paula, Liz, Joshua, and others (yourself included) have disagreed with points I have made in the past, yet you do not see me accusing them of being brainwashed tools who blindly serve some imaginary political agenda in response!

Michael, it is YOU that refuses to address the reality of events more than anyone here. Any mention of a current misstep by Republicans is instantly met by you with a cry of hypocrisy against the rest of us for not bashing a Democrat, who may or may not have done something similar back in 1985! You automatically accuse us of not speaking out back then, when you have absolutely no possible way of knowing whether what you are condemning us for supposedly doing is true! Nor is it relevant to the discussion at hand to anyone but you, because you would rather attack the individuals commenting than have a real political debate of ideas! You respond the same way to every freaking comment on here! You refuse to acknowledge that what the political figure did was wrong; you think it is far more important to attack everyone's moral character and claim your own moral superiority based on "facts" that only exist in your head! It doesn't seem to matter that you contradict yourself constantly or that your arguments are based in psuedo-reality; you are right and everyone else is wrong! The best is when you know that your position is complete bullshat and you hijack the entire conversation, demanding that everyone defend an argument that none of us has made or claims to be true, OR we must admit that you are correct. Seriously, the level of mental gymnastics that you perform at times is almost beautiful in its complexity! And while the level of mind-numbing cognitive dissonance it must require for you to stand behind the hogwash you expel might impress some people, it becomes tiresome very quickly.

Think I am full of crap? Please, go reread your posts! It's the same MO time after time!

I wonder if maybe Homer's pupaphobia originated with an encounter with "John Miller".

And THAT's what passes for "serious" conversations around here.. :^/

Sad.....

Michale

Don't forget that he loves poorly-educated trumpthugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXc4OalIn8

That was a roundabout way of apologizing.. My comments in that regard were uncalled for and not worthy...

Michale

Max nichts.. I let my gloat mechanism get the better of me.. :D

It doesn't really matter one way or the other..

Yer on the wrong side of this and that's all that is important..

Michale

Maybe CW can verify that I've never posted under any other name than apophis..

Seriously...

Which failure are you??

Biga??? Michy???

Which past luser are you?? :D

Michale

Says the sockpuppet who had to bail from an earlier posting name.. :D

Michale

Ya'all are going to "insult" me by saying I am Ronald Reagan?? :D

hehehehe

Michale

But, regardless of what I said above..

Thank you... That's a great compliment you just gave me...

Michale

You nailed it!! His psychosis is a textbook case, just like Mr Trump...

It's not as big of a revelation as you make it out to be.. :D

I have always claimed that I share aspects of Trump insofar as his utter contempt for political correctness and and his "call a spade a spade" mentality..

But what you seem to decry as a weakness is a source of great strength..

It's you and those who think like you who are weakened by your rose-colored slavish adherence to Party loyalty..

It's what causes you to turn the other cheek when your Democrat Party honors scumbags and thugs like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown...

The belief that his every opinion is "factual", how quick he is to attack anyone who disagrees with him, his narcissistic rants.... Holy-overly-orange-body-spray-Batman!

I wonder if you can appreciate the irony of accusing me (and Trump) of attacking anyone who disagrees with us BY attacking me (and Trump) because we disagree with you...

Don't worry, though. I can appreciate the irony enough for both of us.. :D

But that's the problem with you and those others enslaved by Party dogma and ideology..

Ya'all project YOUR faults and YOUR liabilities onto others..

Michale

"I have no base.. I am not part and parcel to the Republican Party.."

Michael IS Trump! He sees himself when he looks at Trump! The belief that his every opinion is "factual", how quick he is to attack anyone who disagrees with him, his narcissistic rants.... Holy-overly-orange-body-spray-Batman! The evidence has been in front of my face this whole time and I just ignored the obvious!

BAAWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How do ya'all like your savior now??? :D

Michale

Glad ta see you have stopped crowing about the betting markets..

Their credibility is worse than Nate Silvers.. :D

Michale

Thanks for that link...the older I get, the more Bayesian I become.

Since this race will be settled by the Electoral College, I put a lot of weight on state and DC data, as opposed to national polling.

The New York Times Upshot gives estimated quantitative probabilities of Clinton/Trump winning each state and DC from NYT, 538, Predict Wise and PEC.

If you rank order the states from highest to lowest prob. of victory and sum the cumulative electoral votes, the probability of the state taking the tally to 270 or more is a good estimate of the NYT, 538 and Predict Wise estimated probabilities of winning the general election. I have not checked this against PEC, but since PEC estimates are similar to the other three, I think it likely this swag would work for PEC as well.

The reason this works is 1) there aren't very many competitive states and 2) all competitive states tend to move in the same direction (they are high to moderately correlated, so all presidential elections are in large part wave elections).

I would keep an eye on Trump's July fund raising claims... the only "evidence?" seems to be a press release from the Trump camp.

Once again, ya'all are blinded to the reality....

Michale

“They had beheaded him. His upper body was beyond recognition, his internal organs were out. We could identify our friend from his pants.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/gay-syrian-refugee-found-beheaded-in-istanbul-amid-concerns-turk/

There is Zwahiri Kahn's "peaceful" and "tolerant" religion..

It's simply beyond the pale that ya'all DEFEND this religion...

But, when one takes into account the ideological slavery and the PARTY UBER ALLES mentality, it makes sense.. :^/

Michale

The protesters were animal rights activists.

Yea.. And after Hillary finished pee'ing her pants she attacks Trump's kids..

Nice.... :^/

Michale

Yes. GREAT list..

And yet, Trump is STILL kicking Hillary's ass..

No one can address this one simple fact..

Only two possibilities exist..

Ya'all's list is in your heads...

or

Hillary is much MUCH worse...

Personally, I think it's a combination of the two... :D

Michale

That moron Kahn's 15 minutes is over...

Thank the gods....

Michale

When logic in conversation is as good as dead
And the Trumpthugs are talking Baghdadbobese
And the Orange Queen says "off with Hillary’s head!"
Remember what the internet said

More incoherent rantings (not my words.. :D ) from JFC... :D

Michale

Um, yeah, because Clint proved last time how politically savvy he is... I mean, was he talking to an empty chair at the time?

And THAT is why his words resonate..

Because he is NOT politically savvy..

This country is in REALLY bad shape *BECAUSE* of people who were "politically savvy"...

That's the point ya'all miss...

Michale

Don't cross brains with Spock.. :D

Michale

INDEPENDENT... Or NPA, if you prefer...

Which can and usually does have political bias...

Of course... NO ONE can be bias free..

The difference between ya'all and me is that I freely admit my bias.. Ya'all claim ya have none..

The second difference is that my bias is rooted in common sense and not based on Party ideological slavery..

Ya'all can't make the same claim..

Michale

And the obsession with Trump's hands continues..

Creepy...

Michale

Old news. I posted that way up there.. :D

Michale

And another Trump is toast prediction..

I think we're well up into the 40s on that. :D

And yet.. And yet..

Ya'all have been WRONG and I have been RIGHT every single time..

EVERY... SINGLE.... TIME....

Funny how that is, eh? :D

Michale

kicked a crying baby out of one of his rally

In other news...

Secret service agents stepped on stage next to Hillary Clinton after protesters interrupted a Thursday campaign rally in Las Vegas.

The protesters were animal rights activists.

Thank you for that link. I hadn't seen it before..

Trump's comments regarding how sexy he finds his own daughter.
Trump's favorite book of the Bible is "Two Corinthians".

Endorsing torture/waterboarding

It is going to have to be a top 25 list!

The attack ads just write themselves. I was on Florida on business just before the 2012 election and was amazed at the number of ads everywhere (TV, posters. radio, etc.). I live in an expensive media part of a "safe" state so we see none of them.

Claiming that the election will be “rigged” against him...

Asking why we can't use nuclear weapons if we have them 3 times in a 1 hour briefing...

Trump lies that he watched a Top Secret video of money landing in Iran.

Don't forget the reddit AMA debacle. Great for reminding younger folk how out of touch he is...

-CW

Yeah, I confused myself by editing-on-the-fly. Just read those last four words, they're the only ones that apply: "please disregard this note."

:-)

Michale [20] -

Um, yeah, because Clint proved last time how politically savvy he is... I mean, was he talking to an empty chair at the time?

Heh. Couldn't resist.

[24] -

OK, now that was funny!

JohnM [28] -

Yeah, I saw those (except CO, somehow missed that one). I'm going to try to put together my first "Electoral Math" column for next Monday. I've been entering data and getting my spreadsheet ready, now that electoral-vote.com is posting data for 2016....

neilm [49] -

Thanks for the link! What with writing this massive column, I didn't have time to look stuff up and provide links, so thanks for doing my job for me!

:-)

Everyone should watch that movie -- it's powerful.

and I'd add to your list: "blood coming out of here wherever."

-CW

1. Insulting the Khans
2. Insulting the NY Times disabled reporter
3. Congratulating himself after the Orlando shooting
4. Calling Mexicans "rapists"
5. Lying about 9/11 celebrations in NY
6. Not knowing what the Nuclear Triad is
7. Lying about Melania's plagiarism
8. Not releasing his tax returns
9. Inciting Russia to hack the U.S.A.
10. Promoting Nuclear proliferation

When logic in conversation is as good as dead
And the Trumpthugs are talking Baghdadbobese
And the Orange Queen says "off with Hillary’s head!"
Remember what the internet said

Don’t feed the troll

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Meena/TrumpsHand-outline.pdf

Thanks for the tip to watch the Truman-Reagan video. Powerful words against the orange menace.

You can see it here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dnc-donald-trump-solemn-responsibility

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKlWLb9tp4

Which can and usually does have political bias...

"Don't cross brains with Spock. He will cut you to pieces every time."
-Ensign Hikaru Sulu

Spock in the midst of the Pon Farr, maybe...

If Mr Trump would have ignored it as political rhetoric his campaign might not be imploding as fast as it is...

Yea, only among the Left Wingery.. It's the same sort of OBAMA IS THE MESSIAH "thing"...

Amongst real Americans, patriotic Americans, it's recognized for what it is.. A luser trying to make money off his dead son...

Bashi- 40 You can check off both boxes.

___ Thank you for your concession that you have no logical or rational response and must therefore resort to childish personal attacks and immature name-calling. Your concession of my superior argument is appreciated, albeit irrelevant..

Just as you can check THAT box..

I get it. Really I do.. You don't have any response to the facts, so you have to play childish "NYAAA NYAAA NYAAA I'M IGNORING YOU!!!" games..

But, seriously.... I would have thought that such kindergarten crap would be beneath someone of your apparent intelligence..

I guess I over-estimated...

Michale

Having nothing much to do (it's really hot outside) I Googled "Wrath of Khan Trump." A gratifying number of hits...lead off by Ann Coulter of all people. Many pages deep. We Are Everywhere...at least in the English speaking part of everywhere. Wrath of Khan is a thing.

Bashi- 40 You can check off both boxes.

https://youtu.be/119AmkkXAR4

Hillary shit her pants!!!!! :D

I can't wait for the debates...

Ya'all know what a deer looks like when it is caught in headlights??

Remember that look..

That's going to be Hillary... :D

Michale

This is fact..

Yes... A difference which makes no difference IS no difference..

This means a large chunk of Trump voters are exactly like you. They are your political persuasion.

Yes.. They are my political persuasion..

INDEPENDENT... Or NPA, if you prefer...

Paula accused me of being a Republican...

She is in error..

But not that I would expect that anyone here (besides me and a couple other select few) would ADMIT that they were wrong..

"Don't cross brains with Spock. He will cut you to pieces every time."
-Ensign Hikaru Sulu

Michale

"A difference which makes no difference IS no difference"

This is fact..

You have posted a high number for independents in this election, not going to look it up but something like 40%? Then went on to say that 95% of those folks are voting for Trump. This means a large chunk of Trump voters are exactly like you. They are your political persuasion. Of course there is another possibility, you are just talking out your ass and are basically a troll.

So which is it? Are you a Trump supporter or troll?

ANY process that relies on hysterical...er.. sorry.. HISTORICAL data, will be useless this election..

Michale

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/08/03/why-is-the-pec-polls-only-forecast-so-stable/#more-16741

Which begs the question that NO ONE here will answer..

If Trump is really that bad as ya'all claim......

WHY can't Clinton shut him down... Put him away...

Answer: Because A> Trump is NOT that bad as ya'all claim and... 2> Clinton is NO WHERE near as good as ya'all claim...

These are the facts. And they are indisputable...

Michale

Things are a LOT closer than you want to believe...

Michale

Of Course they are.. :D

Ohio, where polls all show that Hillary is currently ahead, with the exception of Ohio, where it is tied, then Trump can't win period, no matter what any national polling average might say.

And you don't mention Ohio in your initial comment.. Why is that??

Because it doesn't fit your agenda...

THAT is my point..

In a REALITY based forum such as... oh I dunno.. chrisweigant.com... one examines the good AND the bad..

Ya'all only want to examine the good (for you) and ignore the bad (for you)...

THAT is my point..

Irregardless of all that, you are talking about conventional elections where past performance equals future indications..

This election is anything BUT conventional because the GOP candidate runs to the LEFT of the Demcorat candidate on many issues..

ANOTHE *fact* that ya'all want to ignore because it doesn't fit ya'all's agenda...

Actually that is NOT the REALITY at all. The REALITY is just the opposite.

No, it's the reality. YOUR truth is different because you REFUSE to even consider the FACTS that disrupt your truth..

The fact that you ignore Ohio is proof of this...

This is an ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT election.. Ya'all ignore that fact..

Ya'all ignore ANY facts that don't support your truth... your reality...

Michale

"Yet the facts on the ground, the REALITY is that Trump has the momentum and Hillary is losing ground..."

Actually that is NOT the REALITY at all. The REALITY is just the opposite. But you go ahead with your delusional position that fits YOUR partisan political agenda Michale, and just like all those who said that Romney was going to win in a landslide in 2012. Then you can have the same kind of meltdown that Karl Rove had when it doesn't come true.

"Isn't it funny how you ONLY choose to talk about states where Clinton is ahead???

Why is that??"

Because, the states where Trump is ahead are the traditional die hard Republican states, that would never vote for Clinton or ANY Democrat anyway, and are NOT the states that Trump MUST carry in order to win the Presidency. If Trump can't win in states like Colorado, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan or Ohio, where polls all show that Hillary is currently ahead, with the exception of Ohio, where it is tied, then Trump can't win period, no matter what any national polling average might say.

In 2000, Trump won a contract to manage the casino for the Twenty-Nine Palms Band of Mission Indians, but after Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts declared bankruptcy in 2004, the tribe paid Trump $6 million to go away.

In 2004, he presented unaudited financials to Deutsche Bank while seeking a loan, claiming he was worth $3.5 billion. The bank concluded his net worth at $788 million, records show. (Trump personally guaranteed $40 million of the loan to his company, so Deutsche coughed up the money. He later defaulted on that commitment.)

Trump’s personal finances were a disaster. In 1978, the year his father set up that sweet credit line at Chase, Donald’s tax returns showed personal losses of $406,386—$1.5 million in present-day dollars. Things grew worse in 1979, when he reported an income of negative $3.4 million, $11.2 million in constant dollars. All of this traced back to big losses in three real estate partnerships and interest he owed Chase. With Trump sucking wind and rapidly drawing down his line of credit, he turned again to Daddy, who in 1980 agreed to lend him $7.5 million.

n September, Trump informed his bankers that he would not be paying the $1.1 million in interest due and asked that they defer $245 million of future loan payments. Once again, the banks could do little but agree. The shuttle business was put up for sale, as was his $29 million yacht, the Trump Princess. (In 1992, Trump defaulted on his debt for the shuttle and turned it over to his creditor banks.) By December, Trump was on the verge of missing an interest payment on the debt of Trump Castle, and there was no room left to maneuver with the banks this time. So, just as he had in the past, Trump turned to Dad for help, according to New Jersey state regulatory records. On December 17, 1990, Fred Trump handed a certified check for $3.35 million payable to the Trump Castle to his attorney, Howard Snyder.

It didn’t matter—Trump’s casino empire was doomed. A little more than a year after the opening of the Taj, that casino was in bankruptcy court, and was soon followed there by the Plaza and the Castle. Under the reorganization, Trump turned over half his interest in the businesses in exchange for lower rates of interest, as well as a deferral of payments and an agreement to wait at least five years before pursuing Trump for the personal guarantees he had made on some of the debt. The total debt remained huge, weighing down the reorganized company for years. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts—the new name for Trump’s casino holdings—filed for bankruptcy, and Trump was forced to relinquish his post as chief executive. The name of the company was then changed to Trump Entertainment Resorts; it filed for bankruptcy in 2009, four days after Trump resigned from the board.

In 2008, he defaulted on a $640 million construction loan for Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago, and the primary lender, Deutsche Bank, sued him.

Trump hosted a glitzy event in 2006 touting Trump Mortgage, then proclaimed he had nothing to do with managing the firm when it collapsed 18 months later. (Trump tried again, rechristening the failed entity as Trump Financial. It also failed.) That same year, he opened GoTrump.com, an online travel service that never amounted to more than a vanity site; the URL now sends searchers straight to the Trump campaign website. Also in 2006, Trump unveiled Trump Vodka, predicting that the T&T (Trump and Tonic) would become the most requested drink in America (he also marketed it to his friends in Russia, land of some of the world’s greatest vodkas); within a few years, the company closed because of poor sales. In 2007, Trump Steaks arrived. After two months of being primarily available for sale at Sharper Image, that endeavor ended; the head of Sharper Image said barely any of the steaks sold.

In 2009, Trump and a developer named Jorge Pérez unveiled plans for Trump Hollywood, a 40-story oceanfront condominium that they boasted would sell at premium prices and feature such luxuries as Italian cabinetry. But with the entire real estate market imploding, condo buyers were looking for bargains, and sales were minuscule. In 2010, lenders foreclosed on the $355 million project.

A similarly sordid tale unfolded for Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico, a 525-unit luxury vacation home complex that Trump proclaimed was going to be “very, very special.” His name and image were all over the property, and he even personally appeared in the marketing video discussing how investors would be “following” him if they bought into the building. Scores of buyers ponied up deposits in 2006, but by 2009 the project was still just a hole in the ground. That year, the developers notified condo buyers their $32 million in deposits had been spent, no bank financing could be obtained, and they were walking away from the project.

Yet the facts on the ground, the REALITY is that Trump has the momentum and Hillary is losing ground...

I would show you the facts, but I know from a LOT of experience that it does no good... Ya'all simply ignore what doesn't fit yer agenda...

Michale

You have your laugh..

I have the facts...

That pretty much sums things up... :D

: Yep! Lot of good looking polls coming out.

And a lot of polls show how badly Clinton is losing...

But, of course, ya'all ignore those polls.... :D

That's kewl... When Trump is elected, it will make things all that much sweeter... :D

Michale..

And that handed me today's biggest sardonic laugh. But then self-deception is a HUGE part of being a republican these days…

[28] John M: Yep! Lot of good looking polls coming out. We need them to hold and increase going forward. Definite post-convention bounce for HRC, though, and that is what we want! Yay!

Why is that??

Because you want to IGNORE anything that doesn't fit your ideological agenda...

:D

Michale

New Hampshire: A new poll of New Hampshire shows Clinton with a commanding 15-point lead over Donald Trump, finding Granite State Democrats coalescing around their nominee after their convention while state Republicans remain resistant to Trump. Clinton leads Trump 47% to 32% among likely New Hampshire voters, according to the poll from WBUR, with third-party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein included. Matched up one-on-one, Clinton's lead grows to 17 points, 51% to 34%. The WBUR New Hampshire poll was conducted from July 29 through August 1, and surveyed 609 likely New Hampshire voters. The margin of error is +/- 4 points.

Pennsylvania: Clinton leads Trump 49% to 38% among likely Pennsylvania voters, according to the Franklin and Marshall College poll. Her lead swells to 13 points, 47% to 34%, with Johnson and Stein included.The Franklin and Marshall College poll of Pennsylvania was conducted from July 29 through August 1. The poll surveyed a random sample of 661 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 4.8 points, and 389 likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 6.3 points.

Michigan: Clinton is ahead of Trump by 9 points, 41% to 32%, among likely Michigan voters, according to a Detroit news/WDIV-TV poll. Clinton's lead is smaller, 6 points, without third-party candidates included. The Detroit News/WDIV-TV poll was conducted from July 29 through August 1, surveying 600 likely Michigan voters. It has a margin of error of +/- 4 points.

Colorado: POLITICO Battleground States polling average has her up 8 points on Trump — the largest margin in any battleground state, except Michigan, where Clinton leads by 10.

When you start condemning Left Wingers when they attack Trump supporters, then... and ONLY THEN, will you have a moral leg to stand on... ONLY then will you have a legitimate foundation to call into question the actions of the Republican base...

Until that time, it's all nothing but pure unadulterated bigotry...

Michale

I have no base.. I am not part and parcel to the Republican Party..

This is fact..

Regardless of that, I simply point out the facts..

YOUR base is no better than what you accuse the Republican Base of..

YOUR base is violent and foul mouth-ed and attack Trump supporters.

This is documented fact....

Michale

" I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I've gotta get outta here."
-Guy, GALAXY QUEST

:D

Michale

And we have heard much MUCH worse from the Demcorat base..

I would post it all, but why bother?? It will just be ignored..

There is nothing ya'all can accuse the Right of that the Left is not equally guilty of..

NO..... THING.....

Michale

Yer extremity never entered my thoughts.. :D

Trust me on that one. :D

Michale, my thoughts on the conventions were not presented as facts just as your rebuttal should not have been

Fair enough.. I just can't keep facts out of things, but I'll try.. :D

Neither party went enough towards the center to reel in many of the disaffected of the other side.

Troo dat... :D

Sitting over here a bit left of center, I think the Trump camp is running scared.

I see no factual evidence of that... I see Trump being Trump, thin-skinned and lashing out...

They clearly knew a mistake had been made

No more a mistake than Obama and Biden have made in the past. Hell, Biden had to drop out of the election over his plagiarism... No one wants to address that.. Wonder why? :D

If there was any accountability they should have been shown the door.

Would you expect/want accountability for Biden and Obama??

How come??

Michale