By the bi....

"Welcome to the party, pal!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

Michale

But all the facts in the world won't erase the ONLY relevant fact..

If you ask Joe and Jane Sixpack if their lives are better now after 7+ years of Democrat rule...

Their answer will be a loud and resounding HELL NO!!

How do we know this??

Because over 70% of Americans SAY this...

"Just the fax, ma'am.. Just the fax"
-John McClane, DIE HARD 3, A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD

:D

Michale

Okay, let's look at the cherry picked facts:

There.... Fixed it for you...

Michale

“In critical moments, men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see.” - Spock, Star Trek, TOS, season 3, episode 9 (“The Tholian Web,” 1968)

Indeed.. Which explains why ya'all support someone like Hillary...

Michale

"Immigrants are taking the jobs away from Americans!" Who has ever lost their job to an undocumented alien?

You first mention "Immigrants" then you finish with illegal immigrants..

Which is it??

Michale

I was referring to illegal immigrants. I have never heard anyone complaining about legal immigrants taking the jobs of Americans. So, no, not doing a 180.

Really???

http://www.ibtimes.com/undocumented-immigrants-taking-jobs-us-citizens-most-americans-believe-immigration-2054509

Then, apparently, you are not er... Listening.. :D

Michale

These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross

And my counter riposte would be:

“In critical moments, men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see.” - Spock, Star Trek, TOS, season 3, episode 9 (“The Tholian Web,” 1968)

Ahhhh, yes, good ole' Camp-Kill-Yourself! There's a particularly nasty place in Hell set aside for the people who run those places!

I was referring to illegal immigrants. I have never heard anyone complaining about legal immigrants taking the jobs of Americans. So, no, not doing a 180.

Trump is between Satan and Hitler...

And ya'all ding ME for hyperbole.. :D

heh

That's our Left Wingery...

Ad Hypocritus Maximus.... :D

Michale

Satin???

Some sort of Left Wingery Femme Fatale waiting in the wings??? :D

heh

Michale

Yea... "bad day" for Trump...

Bbbwwwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha :D

The establishment Republicans think they've just won a victory by getting Trump to pick Pence...

I think the conservative wing is hoping for a last second hail mary to save their cause. I think the deal between Trump and the GOP leadership is the leadership gets to pick or at least have influence over the VP pick in trade for support of Trump. Their thinking is ride Trump's coattails in to office then let Trump be Trump. Give him as much rope as he needs to hang himself. He is already proposing unconstitutional policies, it's likely to just get worse especially once the left starts gumming up the works so little gets through congress. The left is so disbelieving/hysterical that they are putting Trump somewhere between Satin and Hitler. Let them call for impeachment and take the blame, then have enough safe district "principled" conservatives vote to kick Trump out of office along with the left. Trump is completely discredited, they get a classic conservative in the white house who is not Ted Cruz and all is well and good with the world. Except Trump seems to have an endless supply of rope, hangs himself daily only to be fresh the next morning. It's making holding on to those coattails a bit difficult...

This, coming from the guy who supports the bitch who was "extremely careless" while running the State Dept..

You realize you have absolutely NO CREDIBILITY in that regard, right?? :D

Michale

What has Hussein Odumbo gotten us into now.. :^/

Michale

Except Trump's numbers are going UP and Hillary's are going down...

A few more "non" good days for Trump and it'll be a landslide.. :D

You see my point??

You don't deal in FACTS... You are enslaved by Party Loyalty and that colors EVERYTHING you think...

Michale

Everything you say about the GOP is more or less true...

Your problem is that the same things are ALSO true about the Democrat Party...

:D

You really can't debate me by calling into question my Party loyalty..

Because, you see.. Unlike you.. I have none...

And THAT is ya'all's Achilles Heel.. Ya'all's kryptonite...

:D

Michale

A perfect match. A xenophobe, racist, misogynist, and a low key moron. I've been tracking Pence since he was in Congress. A real piece of work...

He'll be dandy at keeping secrets.

[62] Balthasar: yep!!

This Pence thing. On FB it's going nuts with stuff about Trump wanting to back out on Pence last night and there's already an animated gif showing the "T" in the logo bonking the "P". I think it must be really humiliating for Trump's campaign. I would hate to be caught as the leaker -- Trump will sue whoever for millions. He'll probably sue whatever poor schmuck? mischief-maker? designed the logo as well.

Meanwhile people are backing out of appearing at the RNC Convention -- I really can't imagine what they're going to cobble together at this point that won't fall flat or be seen as other than ludicrious/pathetic.

Not a good day for the Donald.

Funny, I distinctly recall displaying facts. Undisputed by any 'facts' presented in that article, by the way - I looked. As Paula said in her post: "the content of your posts consistently fail to refute other people's posts/points."

I do realize how hard it must be to be on the other side of this argument: the GOP is divided into two, maybe three wings, all equally clueless. The social conservatives are still fighting porn twenty years after it became available to everybody on the internet. They couldn't stop it when it was distributed on postcards, and think they can somehow stop it now?
The establishment Republicans think they've just won a victory by getting Trump to pick Pence, but most of them aren't going to the convention, and, after being flounced in the Spring, are left wondering if they have any support among the rank-and-file at all.
The Tea Party and Grievance Republicans are ascendant right now, ready to march their party off a high cliff to prove how pissed they are at the state of American politics. They've been smacking the GOP around for awhile; it's like a dysfuntional relationship.
In fact, back when the GOP were the Whigs, the same thing happened to them, and they finally wised up and left the bastard(s), changing their name to republicans.
Maybe after they (inevitably) lose the election, the GOP will wise up and dump this horrible relationship for a second time. Breaking up is hard to do, but it's really hard to watch this abuse continue.

But why let FACTS intrude on a hysterical and baseless rant.. :D

Michale

Your arguments are all over the place...

Michale

Do you see how you just switched arguments in mid-sentence???

I hope you didn't get whiplash with that 180.. :D

Michale

"Immigrants are taking the jobs away from Americans!" Who has ever lost their job to an undocumented alien? Seriously! What junior accountant working for a corporation has ever been told he was fired as Paco was willing to do his job for much less? So what if he doesn't speak English, math is a universal language! Yet, these folks buy into the lie. Heck, they even blame illegals that come here for the jobs outsourced by corporations to other countries, as if those that come here had anything to do with it!

They are still against marriage equality, something that does not affect them in any way, shape, or form; but they just cannot handle the thought of gays being treated just as well as they are. This is mainly led by those that are closet cases and cannot stand that they got stuck living a lie, so they don't want anyone else to be free to be themselves and happy.

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/07/08/ftp399/

:D

Michale

Can't wait for the rebuttal...

Chances are, there won't be any rebuttal...

The SOP around here is when facts are displayed, people scatter... :D

Michale

So, what's yer point?? :D

Michale

Yea... JUST like progressives do.. :D

Michale

Ya like how I use a progressive web site to disprove your Odumbo-love assertions and expose your Messiah for the phony Middle Class Warrior that he is???

There's been a rash of 'progressive' websites popping up that aren't progressive at all, trying to lure Bernie fans away from Hillary. That particular article quotes a well known right wing economist who used to work in the Reagan administration, and is known for cherry-picking facts to make his points.

I might as well try to make you accept a quote from Krugman.

You DO realize that you did NOTHING to refute the facts of the link, but rather just attacked me personally, right?? :D

It will be amazing when he's on a stage with HRC.

Yes, it will.. Trump is going to tear Hillary apart... Hillary is going to be "uh... uh... but the definition of IS is... uh... uh.... But, your hair is funny!! uh... uh... "....

In that, she is going to be JUST like you here... :D

Michale

You don't disprove anything. You go through the motions. You physically post words and links. You respond to other peoples' words and links. But the content of your posts consistently fail to refute other people's posts/points.

I said the other day you can't argue. You can't. You said you don't argue, you "debate".

Debates are equal parts theater/performance and content. You go through the motions of performance but totally blow the content.

You're very like Trump that way. He stands there and his mouth opens and words come out. But he reveals his ignorance over and over. And his inconsistent and incoherent ideas. Trump is a conduit for emotion and most of the emotion he transmits is destructive.

It will be amazing when he's on a stage with HRC. C-A-N-N-O-T W-A-I-T-!

All it would be is ODUMBO is perfect, ODUMBO is god, ODUMBO can do no wrong clap trap...

Odumbo's agenda's days are numbered... :D

Michale

Personally, I thought it was a nice touch.. :D

Hussein Odumbo has been a disaster for the black community and a disaster for the Middle Class..

Crooked Hillary will just be more of the same..

That is why she is going to lose...

Michale

His numbers are all on the slippery side, beginning with the fact that median household incomes began to fall well before Obama took office. He consistently conflates long-term trends with with policy outcomes, and ignores inconvenient facts, such as the fact that hourly wages have risen since Obama came into office.

But you have proven something: that even good economic news can be made to look bad by rightie economists.

His numbers are all on the slippery side, beginning with the fact that median household incomes began to fall well before Obama took office. He consistently conflates long-term trends with with policy outcomes, and ignores inconvenient facts, such as the fact that hourly wages have risen since Obama came into office.

But you have proven something: that even good economic news can be made to look bad by rightie economists.

To easy...

Under Obamanomics, the Rich Get Richer While the Poor Get Poorer
http://www.progressivestoday.com/under-obamanomics-the-rich-get-richer-while-the-poor-get-poorer/

Michale

Like I said.. In this issue your world is black/white...

Crooked Hillary- Good...

Donald Trump- Bad...

My world... REALITY.... shades of gray...

Michale

No, it's Hillary good, Poor Donald bad. It's a winner-take-all contest, so the binary choice is baked-in.

And now that [31] is up, I'm sure there's lots you'd like to refute..

Yea, I thought it was pretty hilarious at the time as well.. :D

Michale

Aha! For once, the filter worked as it is supposed to...

Your comment got held because you included multiple links. If you've got two links to share, you've got to split them into two comments. This is done to cut down on spam comments, and is automatic.

Just for all new commenters' information... only post one link per comment, and you should be OK.

:-)

-CW

See how you are making excuses?? :D

It's clear that the tax returns have unflattering information in them that Trump would not want to be known...

It's EQUALLY clear that Hillary's speech transcripts ALSO have unflattering information that Hillary would not want known..

*I* am objective enough to see the FACTS..

YOU are only interested in the spin...

Crooked Hillary good..

Donald Trump bad....

That's your black/white world...

It's not mine..

Michale

P.S. there is no law against releasing tax returns that are being audited..

Agreed..

Common ground.. A wonderful thing.. :D

Michale

Same reason Crooked Hillary can't release the speech transcripts..

Michale

And, trust me.. If there is ANYONE who knows about wish-casting, it's me!! :D

Michale

I guess we will have to agree to disagree...

BwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, oh, HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, that's rich.

Okay, let's look at the facts:

1. We've now had 75 straight months of economic expansion. In fact, a Sep 5, 2014 article in Forbes stated that Obama actually outperforms Reagan on Jobs, Growth and In.

2. We are currently enjoying the longest period of private sector job creation in American history. Source: see Forbes article above.

3. Unemployment has dropped from 10.1% in October of 2009 to 4.9% by early 2016. That's twelve million jobs created/recovered in eight years. Romney famously promised to lower unemployment to 6% by the end of 2016.

4. The Federal budget deficit is shrinking. It’s been reduced by two-thirds since 2009. Source: usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

5. For 95% of American taxpayers, income taxes are as low or lower than they were at almost any point in the last 50 years. Source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

That's not counting the nearly 20 million people who now have health insurance who didn't, the surging stock market, or booming energy sector, including low gas prices.

Are there still things to do for the middle class? You betcha' Radar Ranger. The minimum wage needs to be raised, and tuitions lowered. America is also long, long overdue for a massive infrastructure upgrade. How would all that hurt the middle class? I dunno. I'm sure you'll think of something.

Even if you were, which you are not, it's funny you apply my standards when it suits your narrative...

Suffice it to say that Trump is not being criminally investigated..

Crooked Hillary is..

These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross

nd are the basis for follow on criminal charges..

That's your supposition.. That's your wish-casting..

Unsupported by any facts...

Michale

I'm not the one splitting hairs here... I'm just applying your standards..Just sayin'.

The simple fact remains that ALL of the cases against Trump are CIVIL cases...

And are the basis for follow on criminal charges...not to mention the fact that state AG's are investigating him, at least the ones who didn't take the money...

"It was a youtube video that was responsible.."

Hussein Odumbo... At his finest....

Michale

If you were talking to a right winger, you would have a point..

But yer not, so you don't.. :D

Michale

Yes.. If you want to split the hairs on what the definition of IS is...

The simple fact remains that ALL of the cases against Trump are CIVIL cases...

This is fact that no amount of Party BS can change..

You are suggesting that way back in 2010 and 2013 some people had a crystal ball that told them Donald would be running for president 6 years later (ok.. let's call it 5 and 2) and so in an effort to make him look bad and keep him from winning they filed these suits and as soon as he is president they will drop the suits (we will ignore that they are class action) because their fortune telling didn't work?

I am suggesting nothing of the sort..

I simply state that once Trump wins the election, the lawsuit will be dropped..

Just like once Obama won the 2012 election we would never hear about Benghazi again.. :D

Michale

This is documented fact...

Michale

Trump's issue is civil and is simply a campaign attack tactic more than a real civil suit..

Ummm...What is it I've had someone say something like this to me before in this situation....Oh, I got it...

Of course YOU would say that. See that's the problem with ya'all rightwingers you have selective moral code enforcement issues, the minute someone points out a truth you do not like you equivocate it away all the while you hold some one else to a higher standard...

If one uses the standard applied by the right to HRC, The simple fact is that TRUMP is under investigation for criminal wrongdoing...Fraud is Fraud and is against the law.

Once Trump wins the election, the lawsuit will be withdrawn..

So since I was born at night...Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that way back in 2010 and 2013 some people had a crystal ball that told them Donald would be running for president 6 years later (ok.. let's call it 5 and 2) and so in an effort to make him look bad and keep him from winning they filed these suits and as soon as he is president they will drop the suits (we will ignore that they are class action) because their fortune telling didn't work?

Under Obama the Middle Class has been scrooed.. There is no denying this as the facts are clear...

Hillary is running for Obama's third term..

Ergo, the Middle Class will continue to get scrooed under Hillary..

"Simple logic.."
-Admiral James T Kirk, STAR TREK 6, The Search For Spock

Michale

By all means.. Cite the facts.. :D

Nope, not kidding. It looks like the GOP, who brought us Savings and Loan Scandals, several downgrades of the national credit rating, and of course, the Great Recession, is going to spend yet another election cycle telling us how much better they are at spending our money.
Ironically the Great Orange Bullshit Machine started out this campaign as an economic progressive, suggesting massive increases in taxes for the rich. That was quickly squashed, and Grump's plan now looks like any other GOP plan. I guess there are places where even Trump won't go after all, and this was one of them.
This is also an example of one place that Bernie fans can proudly point to: getting single-payer health care and means-tested college tuition into the Democratic platform. These ideas poll very high with the Middle class, who dream of never again having to deal with Humana or Kaiser-Permanente or any other insurer about their health care bills, ever.

None of which has ANY relevance to Liz's question...

Michale

Not so. There are several fraud investigations against Trump, particularly regarding Trump University and the Trump Institute. There would be an active fraud investigation(s) against Trump in New Jersey, if Trump hadn't taken the Governor hostage.

@Liz: How will the middle class get the shaft under a Clinton administration?
Yer kidding, right???

Nope, not kidding. It looks like the GOP, who brought us Savings and Loan Scandals, several downgrades of the national credit rating, and of course, the Great Recession, is going to spend yet another election cycle telling us how much better they are at spending our money.
Ironically the Great Orange Bullshit Machine started out this campaign as an economic progressive, suggesting massive increases in taxes for the rich. That was quickly squashed, and Grump's plan now looks like any other GOP plan. I guess there are places where even Trump won't go after all, and this was one of them.
This is also an example of one place that Bernie fans can proudly point to: getting single-payer health care and means-tested college tuition into the Democratic platform. These ideas poll very high with the Middle class, who dream of never again having to deal with Humana or Kaiser-Permanente or any other insurer about their health care bills, ever.

No way to push the totally BS and totally useless Gun Control agenda of the Demcorats...

Michale

And another attempt by the Anti-Trump fanatics to change the rules..

You Anti-Trumpeters??? You lost...

Get over it. Quit whining...

Michale

How will the middle class get the shaft under a Clinton administration?

Yer kidding, right???

Michale

As I said above or afore, Hillary and Trump are both raving egoists... Even worse than our POTUS, if that is possible...

Neither would choose a running mate that it going to upstage themselves..

That's why dull is the order of the day..

"Wait! I can be dull. Want me to be dull? What a nice shade of gray. How about some white bread with mayonnaise? Want to watch golf on television?"
-Urgo, STARGATE SG1

:D

Michale

Actually, only Hillary is under investigation for criminal activity..

Trump's issue is civil and is simply a campaign attack tactic more than a real civil suit..

Once Trump wins the election, the lawsuit will be withdrawn..

Well folks, I guess all that is left is for us to pick which interest block we want to be holding the big floppy dick as they stick it to us...

Talk about disillusionment...

You shouldn't keep it all bottled up inside, GT..

Tell us how you REALLY feel.. :D

Michale

In other words, the Left Wingery's ONLY has personal attacks on Trump...

Nothing substantial... :D

That sums it up perfectly...

Michale

apophis,

Love typing that!! :D

Haven't a clue who Clinton will pick. Probably won't be Warren. Her and Hilly don't really get along and Wall St. says NO. What's your guess?..

Because of the fight over the Senate, I don't think Reid will let Hillary choose any sitting Senator that would flip the seat to the GOP...

And I agree that Hillary and Warren are not likely. As I have said, Hillary is as much of an egoist as Trump is, she's just better at hiding it. Warren will upstage Hillary and Hillary will not like that...

Franken is a good possibility, but the ads write themselves..

THE VP IS A JOKE

A good VP pick is designed to shore up the candidate with a constituency that the candidate has a problem with... Hillary doesn't need a bandaid for the hispanic vote, so it's likely not Castro...

Hillary needs help with the Youth Vote, so it's likely going to be Miley Cyrus....

That will also get Hillary the druggie and tongue-wagger vote as well..

Michale

And, oh my gods!! Why is it so easy for someone to just plop down some cash and walk away with a truck!!! Don't people understand what a huge killing machine that is!!!

BAN TRUCKS!!! BAN TRUCKS!!! BAN TRUCKS!!!

:^/

Michale

But.... but.... how can their be terrorism!!???

Hussein Odumbo has said that ISIS is the JV!!

Hussein Odumbo has said that ISIS is contained!!!!

W.T.F.!!!!!

Michale

Yep....

Police Brutality is like White Privilege and Institutionalized Racism.

They are boogeymen that the Left Wingery likes to fear-monger with..

But they don't actually exist in real life..

Yes, sometimes police are brutal.. Sometimes it's even unjustified...

Yes... Some white people are racist and think they are privilege...

But NONE of them are anywhere NEAR the levels that the Left Wingery likes to claim...

It's ALL about ideology and keeping people dependent on Democrats...

Michale

At least, Hillary Clinton has the potential for being a good president.

How will the middle class get the shaft under a Clinton administration?

For POTUS we have two individuals under investigation for criminal activity, both beholden to their corporate interest blocks, and have no real intention of doing anything to help the average joe. ANND, just to toss it out there it makes both of them ineligible to hold a security clearance...

For VP we have two, albeit well qualified bureaucrats, that will keep their heads down and trod down what ever road they are told. Should something happen to one of the POTUS they will be good minions that the corporate masters can rely on to steer their agendas through.

Awesome choices....NOT!

Well folks, I guess all that is left is for us to pick which interest block we want to be holding the big floppy dick as they stick it to us...

Talk about disillusionment...

I have been saying all along that I cannot imagine Trump staying in the race because of how it would effect his brand if he were to lose (not to mention what it would do to his fragile ego if he were to lose to a WOMAN)! I really thought his attack on McCain's time as a POW and dishonoring military vets was Trump wanting an excuse to get out of the race. I don't know if his need for attention overrode his desire to avoid being embarrassed or what, but I definitely think he's gonna have some surprises prepared for the RNC...because that's what every reality TV show needs for ratings!

Ryan Holiday wrote an amazing article called "Dear Dad, Please Don't Vote for Donald Trump" over at HuffPost. One line from it that I thought was about as perfect of a statement as I have heard regarding Trump's candidacy:

"The baffling reality is that when it comes to Trump, it’s difficult to critique him on much besides his personality and (lack of) character — because that is all there is.

And that, of course, is to say nothing of the two substantially flawed presidential candidates. Wow, indeed.

Black woman (39) on her front porch, 3 kids playing in yard. She was very pretty, nicely dressed.

Said she'd never given or received "the talk". Said she'd heard about "the talk on social media. Said she has a friend who is a policeman who told her how to act with the police. She said she believes the idea of police brutality is exaggerated.

She thanked me for asking for her thoughts and caring about the question.

Sweet woman.

HRC and Kaine - yeah, bit of a bore. More interesting may be who she selects for key cabinet positions.

Please ignore the third paragraph, above...

-CW